THe problem is that some malfeasant party could send you an email pretending to be someone else and say "oops, I lost my private key.
Here's the new public key." And you go on sending them stuff, none the wiser to the ADK.
Yep, but that's got a name. It's called being a moron. The price for being a moron has always been harm. Check your sources, always.
If they encrypt using a key that you don't have you should ignore it. If a key you get securely has an ADK in it, don't trust it...
To be honest, I think this whole "freedom" issue as gotten waaay out of hand thanks to the nature of the net to allow like-minded people to
reinforce each other's ideas. There is a huge difference between being able to vote and being able to change the code for a piece of software,
and it cheapens the very real fight for freedom and democracy that is taking place in many countries across the world that people here are more
concerned over whether software companies "get it" than whether military juntas butcher children in Africa.
Wrong:
If we free the software that drives the internet and other computers the information about said butchers gets out
If we convince the world that freedom is better than $1 we make them more likely to stand against oppression in all it's forms
If we can convince 1 person (Let alone 1 corporation) to change it's ways in even a minor way, that improves the world
If we don't try and change the bit of the world we're active in for the better, then we change it for the worse
The power of the net to reinforce ideas through mutual understanding is universal, if we don't defend it's freedom, we all lose
Freedom is extremely expensive, even the minor stuff (Like software freedom) costs a huge amount. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be prepared to stand up for it.
I dunno, maybe you should check your value system...
This doesn't affect anyone who uses the correct method of getting a public key. AKA EMAIL (At worst)
It's only keyservers that this could occur on. Personally I keep mine on my web pages, anyone who wants to mail me securely uses that, or the one I mail them...
Rule: Only use keyserver keys for verification of an unknown source, and even then, if it's important don't trust it...
YES they are coding. They are both coding themselves straight to hell...
They are both vying to be the alternative to MS, when they should be trying to provide an alternative to MS.
There's little point in 2 desktops in the real world (Read corporate-ville) unless they work together, interchangeably and happily.
The choice everyone here goes on about isn't worth anything if you can't choose a fragment, like the desktop, without making everything else produced by anyone else in your department/company/room unusable without major hardship.
GROW UP PEOPLE. If you want to play in the majors you have to be professional about it. You can't have two standards for stuff, not in large corporations, which is where Linux wants to make it big.
Either they work together, properly, or they both die.
Simple really...
FWIW I actually, desperately, want to be able to recommend to people that Linux is the way forward. It would be the way forward if there was a desktop that could provide everything. BUT THERE ISN'T. I do this stuff for a living, and I'm fairly sure there are other people out there, doing the exact same job, having the exact same argument with themselves. Everyone goes on about how Linux is "Nearly ready for the desktop", why the hell aren't both Gnome and KDE busy getting rid of the "Nearly" instead of whining about whose widgets are better.
A long time ago it was actually easier. You had TWM and a whole load of other WM's. They managed windows. They provided a simple service.
Both Gnome and KDE have forgotten the component aspect of UNIX, which is what makes it a better option than windows. It's foolish in the extreme to expend 2X the developer effort when there isn't one option. Leave that 'til there is already a full alternative to Winblows, then make another, but make it compatible with the first.
What a waste of bandwidth and developer resources...
There are some things the open source movement could do with learning from the Cathedral...
I wish to hell both bloody groups would stop their bickering and get on with producing a viable, desktop alternative to MS...
As a person who uses both desktops (And MS - due to the fact that I cannot use KDE or Gnome for all my tasks) - I'd really like to have one proper environment.
More to the point, as a Systems designer (In my daytime incarnation), I really, really wish I didn't have to recommend NT 4 on the desktop (With Linux/UNIX in the back room)
So, if any of the Gnome or KDE developers are listening:
GET YOUR F***ING ACTS TOGETHER
Bloody stupid idiots take all the credit and kudos that goes with the JOB of being an open source programmer, but can't actually buckle down to produce what the users want.
If anyone out there knows a nonprofit (For a reasonable cause, the NRA and their ilk can go hang) who could use a Linux/UNIX administrator (Spare time, best efforts, from Amsterdam) let me know and I'll be more than glad to help...
I spend most of my time prostituting my skills so I can eat and buy toys, I think it would be worthwhile to use them to help someone else in my spare time.
I'm using Netscape 6 PR2 at home to verify my pages.
I'm very happy to have waited for the fruits of mozilla.org's labour, because it does what I want a browser to do. Standards compliance. I've lost count of the amount of things I've given up on getting right because of lack of a standards -compliant browser. It even stopped me from doing lots of the things that lead to me doing lots of other things...
Please don't flame me for being sarcastic. Otherwise you'll never stop...
Operating system? What Operating System?
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Is UNIX An OS?
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Nowadays there is no clearly defined boundary of where the operating system ends and the application (Or even the hardware/firmware) begins.
For example, in a web-server, apache could be considered a part of the OS. See the Planet Tux Interview to see quite how close this can get these days...
If the system requires it to operate, it's part of the OS. For a Mac, the GUI is part of the OS. In UNIX it aint.
UNIX doesn't even need to have a login prompt, so login isn't part of the OS (For some applications)
The thing with modern computing is that different applications require different OS's. UNIX just happens to provide enough features that it satisfies the requirements of a LOT of different niche OS's.
It's kinda like the salad bar of OS's. Pick what you like and (IF you like security) ditch the rest... Build your own OS.
Yet another company goes the route of lying to the public in order to gain publicity...
Of course those of us that read the register have been waiting for this to arrive on/.
I have to say I expected them to roll it out, rather than admit lying... Even if it cost them money, it's still gotta be less than the bad publicity it'll surely cause them.
Unless of course BT get slammed for it... Serves them right if they do, it's about time they got blamed for something they didn't do (Rather than getting away with the things they did do)...
How do we get BT and Altavista to have Karma points so we can moderate them down?
Microsoft-bashing has gotten stale (For the media, I know you lot still love it)
The media have been ranting about how secure Linux is
There is nothing the media like more than bashing the thing they've built up
Of course there is the possibility (That I'm sure loads of people here will have already pointed out) that Microsoft funded the reports and paid for the suppression of the bad ones.
Then again, maybe it's just US election time... They don't have to actually report things when they can go on about Gore being less technically competent that Bush or vice-versa...
I understand the views, I just disagree with it being an issue.
Why aren't both Gnome and KDE getting interoperability right so that Gnome vs KDE stops being a monolithic decision and becomes a matter of personal choice?
I want to drag a block of text from kword into an openoffice spreadsheet, and embed that openoffice spreadsheet in the afforementioned kword document while running either desktop (Maybe I feel gnomic one day and troll-techy the next), and have the system stay stable.
Actually I don't, because I'd have to be even more insane than I am to want to do that, but I want to be able to, dammit!
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Yep, but that's got a name. It's called being a moron. The price for being a moron has always been harm. Check your sources, always.
If they encrypt using a key that you don't have you should ignore it. If a key you get securely has an ADK in it, don't trust it...
Wrong:
Freedom is extremely expensive, even the minor stuff (Like software freedom) costs a huge amount. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be prepared to stand up for it.
I dunno, maybe you should check your value system...
Wireless keyboard and mouse are a lot easier than the 10 remote controls I used to have, and I can pick my medium without any real effort.
Picking up background to CNN by going to the web is a REAL boon. It makes your few minutes of news actually mean something...
It's only keyservers that this could occur on. Personally I keep mine on my web pages, anyone who wants to mail me securely uses that, or the one I mail them...
Rule: Only use keyserver keys for verification of an unknown source, and even then, if it's important don't trust it...
EG I get the CERT key from their web site
It's your security people, don't give it to someone else...
YES they are coding. They are both coding themselves straight to hell...
They are both vying to be the alternative to MS, when they should be trying to provide an alternative to MS.
There's little point in 2 desktops in the real world (Read corporate-ville) unless they work together, interchangeably and happily.
The choice everyone here goes on about isn't worth anything if you can't choose a fragment, like the desktop, without making everything else produced by anyone else in your department/company/room unusable without major hardship.
GROW UP PEOPLE. If you want to play in the majors you have to be professional about it. You can't have two standards for stuff, not in large corporations, which is where Linux wants to make it big.
Either they work together, properly, or they both die.
Simple really...
FWIW I actually, desperately, want to be able to recommend to people that Linux is the way forward. It would be the way forward if there was a desktop that could provide everything. BUT THERE ISN'T. I do this stuff for a living, and I'm fairly sure there are other people out there, doing the exact same job, having the exact same argument with themselves. Everyone goes on about how Linux is "Nearly ready for the desktop", why the hell aren't both Gnome and KDE busy getting rid of the "Nearly" instead of whining about whose widgets are better.
A long time ago it was actually easier. You had TWM and a whole load of other WM's. They managed windows. They provided a simple service.
Both Gnome and KDE have forgotten the component aspect of UNIX, which is what makes it a better option than windows. It's foolish in the extreme to expend 2X the developer effort when there isn't one option. Leave that 'til there is already a full alternative to Winblows, then make another, but make it compatible with the first.
Welcome back to the land of the monolith.
There are some things the open source movement could do with learning from the Cathedral...
I wish to hell both bloody groups would stop their bickering and get on with producing a viable, desktop alternative to MS...
As a person who uses both desktops (And MS - due to the fact that I cannot use KDE or Gnome for all my tasks) - I'd really like to have one proper environment.
More to the point, as a Systems designer (In my daytime incarnation), I really, really wish I didn't have to recommend NT 4 on the desktop (With Linux/UNIX in the back room)
So, if any of the Gnome or KDE developers are listening:
GET YOUR F***ING ACTS TOGETHER
Bloody stupid idiots take all the credit and kudos that goes with the JOB of being an open source programmer, but can't actually buckle down to produce what the users want.
If the Kudos was money, they'd be fired.
Play the what satellite did they plunge into the pacific today game...
I spend most of my time prostituting my skills so I can eat and buy toys, I think it would be worthwhile to use them to help someone else in my spare time.
You wouldn't see it move if it was Gestationary...
It's in a near-earth orbit, so it shifts (A lot). Usually takes about 10 minutes to transit the sky...
EG: I'm in Amsterdam, when we (+wife) see it disappear, she goes and ICQ's her dad (In Moscow) and he goes outside just in time to see it appear...
17000 MPH is pretty fast...
I heartily recommend pocketsat for all the palm people out there...
That and a compass keyring, and you can find it dead easily. (Roughly once every 1.5 hrs post-sunset...)
I wonder how long it'll take me to get a GPS for my palm so I can get rid of the keyring...
And no, I didn't write it, I just think it's cool.
But then again, I'm sad (Apparently) (Or has that all changed in the era of Geek-Chic?)
Translate from Polish to english, or some other permutation...
Gets mildly mangled, but beats the censorship remarkably well...
I'm using Netscape 6 PR2 at home to verify my pages.
I'm very happy to have waited for the fruits of mozilla.org's labour, because it does what I want a browser to do. Standards compliance. I've lost count of the amount of things I've given up on getting right because of lack of a standards -compliant browser. It even stopped me from doing lots of the things that lead to me doing lots of other things...
Please don't flame me for being sarcastic. Otherwise you'll never stop...
For example, in a web-server, apache could be considered a part of the OS. See the Planet Tux Interview to see quite how close this can get these days...
If the system requires it to operate, it's part of the OS. For a Mac, the GUI is part of the OS. In UNIX it aint.
UNIX doesn't even need to have a login prompt, so login isn't part of the OS (For some applications)
The thing with modern computing is that different applications require different OS's. UNIX just happens to provide enough features that it satisfies the requirements of a LOT of different niche OS's.
It's kinda like the salad bar of OS's. Pick what you like and (IF you like security) ditch the rest... Build your own OS.
Who cares, it'll still cause terror...
Not bad, how many years late?
And of course they won't just make the laws so that it doesn't, coz there's no money in politics...
Every Pleb in the street knows what Uranium is.
Drop it in his baby's drinking water and see how nuts he goes...
I agree that it's much more interesting. I also like lithium Deuteride tho... Just not enough to get the domain...
You just create an airburst bomb made of high-ex wrapped in powdered Uranium.
That'll screw people up just as definately as blowing them up will. It'll just be slower and less pretty to watch.
Of course, it'll cause far more mass hysteria, since the "Bang!" method tends to get rid of the people that get all hysterical about it...
Of course those of us that read the register have been waiting for this to arrive on /.
I have to say I expected them to roll it out, rather than admit lying... Even if it cost them money, it's still gotta be less than the bad publicity it'll surely cause them.
Unless of course BT get slammed for it... Serves them right if they do, it's about time they got blamed for something they didn't do (Rather than getting away with the things they did do)...
How do we get BT and Altavista to have Karma points so we can moderate them down?
Of course there is the possibility (That I'm sure loads of people here will have already pointed out) that Microsoft funded the reports and paid for the suppression of the bad ones.
Then again, maybe it's just US election time... They don't have to actually report things when they can go on about Gore being less technically competent that Bush or vice-versa...
Actually I think Bill was on the grassy knoll...
Maybe they're still working on a click-through NDA...
Why aren't both Gnome and KDE getting interoperability right so that Gnome vs KDE stops being a monolithic decision and becomes a matter of personal choice?
I want to drag a block of text from kword into an openoffice spreadsheet, and embed that openoffice spreadsheet in the afforementioned kword document while running either desktop (Maybe I feel gnomic one day and troll-techy the next), and have the system stay stable.
Actually I don't, because I'd have to be even more insane than I am to want to do that, but I want to be able to, dammit!
Of course, there are those of us that consider that an essential part of the day you purchase your device...
Gav
The UK is nowhere near Europe in a whole lot of ways. Try going to a shop and buying something. Then come here and buy it here... Hmmm...
Anyway, ignoring that, if your going to be a pedant, try 's/Europe/The Continent/g' which is just as flawed, but may prove more acceptable to you...
Gav