100 years ago we were still riding around behind horses.
Now we can send objects dozens of times the speed of sound. Experiments have been done that send particles faster than the speed of light. We're *working* with anti-matter.
Indications are that R&D is going to go even faster.
1) The world is coming together under the rule of economics instead of the quest for power and land.
2) Production and research goes through the roof with even more specialization than in our parent's generation. In addition, we've got countries working together on space projects and research. And not just the ISS.
3) Corporations are moving in on the space market. etc. etc.
I'm a little younger (circa college age) than many folks here, but I feel confident that we'll be traveling to other solar systems to the end of my lifetime. Barriers are meant to be broken and science is progressing past Einstein.
Society is coming together. The old rates of technological evolution are irrelevant.
While I respect your view and will admit that screaming at them is not the nicest thing to do, getting paid to waste my time isn't something I'm going to be nice to you about.
It's like in the Army. If you do something, you are morally responsible for it, regardless of who gave the order. Shooting Jews because you're "following orders" is still wrong.
Your friend is among those that choose to waste my time, thus I hold them accountable.
I should add that I've never done more than become stern and just hang up with telemarketers, so keep the flames down.
"Sure, it's just a miniscule ammount of the welth that he does have, but I bet that he gives away a larger portion of his wealth than do most people living above the poverty line - period."
Sorry if this is redundant, but it doesn't seem that you understand. Gates can give away 75% of what he has right now and 100% of everything he makes and still live comfortably off of what he has left and the interest it makes.
I'm above the poverty line, but by no means wealthy. However, I can't do that.
Percentages mean nothing if you don't take into account the constant of cost of living.
Past that, I will agree, Gates is doing a LOT more than he could if he wanted to. He seems like just a nerd who likes designing software. I blame Ballmer and other management mostly for Microsoft's failures, but that's another thread.
I still don't like Gates, but I like others much less.
Do you have a habit of smoking somethign when you use X?
I'm typing this on a Dell Inspiron 7000. Pentium 333, 190 MB ram, 4 MB ATI video card. Both Windows and X take a second to read the menus and render them the first time, but that time is nearly equivilant. Afterwards, X renders instantly.
However, I don't notice a load-time on my other machine (XP 2000+, 768 MB DDR, MSI GeForce4 Ti 4400).
Are you running an old version of Nautilus? I don't think even that would do it, but that's all I can think of.
Sure, like everything, X has it's problems, but I prefer flexibility and configurability over the simplistic, inflexible crap from Microsoft that passes as a desktop.
So he could be labeled a corruptor of our children and a supporter of the NRA?
Sheep go with the herd, often no matter the evidence. What you need to do is isolate them and have a bunch of people give them half-meaningful evidence and you've won them over.
I hope this isn't redundant and you folks need to realize that I haven't kept up with this woman, but from what I've seen, she really just don't know what she's doing in some places. From her review on Gnome 2 and her experiences with Gentoo, it seems to me that she tried to tweak things her way and blames the system she's reviewing when she messes up.
If I considered this good information, I would feel guilty about getting him modded down just because it's him and of what he did. Good info is good info. I do feel guilty that I'm glad he's not getting his precious karma, and it's small of me to get into the mindset of a karma war. Karma means nothing.
However, this system is in place to rate the "jewels" highly, and an altered repost of a preface is redundant, IMO, as I said before. This article is a review, I think it explains the book fine.
Just my opinion. Sorry if you disagree or fault me for pointing out undeserved karma.
I must disagree. The IE building might have been improved the fastest while Netscape's building was crumbling away, but the Mozilla folks are building a good foundation that's very flexible.
When you start finding applications developed for Mozilla, I think you'll also find a lot of people switching over as well. Like anything, it will take time, but with enough content and things using Mozilla, the public will follow.
This is not a misinformed post: the company I work for is very seriously considering this path for our software.
I'll admit my use of the word "Troll" was a bit loose, however:
My Review by Pave Low
While this is a nice repost of the preface, it's altered just enough and titled so as to make the poster look intelligent. Please take the time to peruse his user info and notice the quality of his comments. He's just being a karma whore to make up for some very bad posts of his.
Personally, I would find reposting of the preface redundant: this article is a *review* of the book, we're aware of what it's about. Even so, this is not a straight-up repost.
Be careful how you word it. Correct me if I have anything wrong here...
"If the kernel doesn't enforce any DRM", in my mind, doesn't break the DMCA simply because it's a passive act, it involves no "breaking". However, I don't trust our government to agree with me.
Calling VA Software a POS, or am I mis-reading? That's not a way to make friends on a VA Software website... gee, ya think? ---------------
" [by running Linux] you also get less than have the features and productivity you'd get from running windows."
While some would call this an opinion, and in a very general sense it can be, this is just a plain retarded statement. Features? Start naming things Linux can't do that Windows can and stop once you hit the half-way mark.
And how about productivity? Well, name something that I can't do on Linux that I need to do to become productive in a "normal environment."
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" [the] left leaning [New York Times] (which has more and more blurred the line between news and commentary with their liberal bias) endorses a communist's OS.
Who's next, the People's Daily?"
There's plenty more in his message history. Prosecution rests.
While I understand your point that I shouldn't be biased towards someone who disagrees with me, there is a difference between stating an opinion, and flaming anyone who dislikes Microsoft while in the same breath calling Linux a communist operating system (while this is true as in Marxist Communism [to a degree IMO, anyway], it has a large negative connotation and that's the way I took it).
I'll respect someone's opinion if it's half-way informed and refrains from seriously flaming others.
I won't take this point by point, but I will give general commentary. Please correct me if I read something wrong.
1) Microsoft gained some of their position through monopoly. This would include the browser, etc. IIRC, they did put in incompatibilities with other systems in the early days of Windows (read: 90-95), but I wouldn't say they were big enough to be called a monopoly -- Apple had a good chunk of the market until the AOLers (read: typical users) came onto the scene.
2) Microsoft isn't *all* bad. Forced standards are at least standards. They suck, but it's better than outright chaos, at least in the short term.
3) Settle down, Jimmy! I completely agree with most of what you posted. I'm a Microsoft and tech history buff, and what you speak is true for the most part. However, Microsoft is not as evil as certain other corporations (pharmaceuticals, maybe?). They're very, very stupid (read: the article this thread is in reply to), and they'll lie and cheat to sell their mother's eyes. And it boggles my mind. But it's not the end of the world, OSS will eventually win out. Why? Because it's a small niche right now and it can actually compete. But that's another thread...
IIRC, they licensed the ability to view Xerox code and designs for their GUI, but they had already had a GUI project underway and they didn't rip source.
Let me quote a previous post of his to demonstrate:
Regarding the good review on Linux in the NYT: " a left leaning newspaper (which has more and more blurred the line between news and commentary with their liberal bias) endorses a communist's OS.
Slashdot Mirror
Cue 10,001 Slashdot folks ANL posts... :)
Now I could be wrong, but here goes...
.
100 years ago we were still riding around behind horses.
Now we can send objects dozens of times the speed of sound. Experiments have been done that send particles faster than the speed of light. We're *working* with anti-matter
Indications are that R&D is going to go even faster.
1) The world is coming together under the rule of economics instead of the quest for power and land.
2) Production and research goes through the roof with even more specialization than in our parent's generation. In addition, we've got countries working together on space projects and research. And not just the ISS.
3) Corporations are moving in on the space market. etc. etc.
I'm a little younger (circa college age) than many folks here, but I feel confident that we'll be traveling to other solar systems to the end of my lifetime. Barriers are meant to be broken and science is progressing past Einstein.
Society is coming together. The old rates of technological evolution are irrelevant.
While I respect your view and will admit that screaming at them is not the nicest thing to do, getting paid to waste my time isn't something I'm going to be nice to you about.
It's like in the Army. If you do something, you are morally responsible for it, regardless of who gave the order. Shooting Jews because you're "following orders" is still wrong.
Your friend is among those that choose to waste my time, thus I hold them accountable.
I should add that I've never done more than become stern and just hang up with telemarketers, so keep the flames down.
"Sure, it's just a miniscule ammount of the welth that he does have, but I bet that he gives away a larger portion of his wealth than do most people living above the poverty line - period."
Sorry if this is redundant, but it doesn't seem that you understand. Gates can give away 75% of what he has right now and 100% of everything he makes and still live comfortably off of what he has left and the interest it makes.
I'm above the poverty line, but by no means wealthy. However, I can't do that.
Percentages mean nothing if you don't take into account the constant of cost of living.
Past that, I will agree, Gates is doing a LOT more than he could if he wanted to. He seems like just a nerd who likes designing software. I blame Ballmer and other management mostly for Microsoft's failures, but that's another thread.
I still don't like Gates, but I like others much less.
-1 Redundant
+1 Well Deserved
Do you have a habit of smoking somethign when you use X?
I'm typing this on a Dell Inspiron 7000. Pentium 333, 190 MB ram, 4 MB ATI video card. Both Windows and X take a second to read the menus and render them the first time, but that time is nearly equivilant. Afterwards, X renders instantly.
However, I don't notice a load-time on my other machine (XP 2000+, 768 MB DDR, MSI GeForce4 Ti 4400).
Are you running an old version of Nautilus? I don't think even that would do it, but that's all I can think of.
Sure, like everything, X has it's problems, but I prefer flexibility and configurability over the simplistic, inflexible crap from Microsoft that passes as a desktop.
So he could be labeled a corruptor of our children and a supporter of the NRA?
Sheep go with the herd, often no matter the evidence. What you need to do is isolate them and have a bunch of people give them half-meaningful evidence and you've won them over.
I hope this isn't redundant and you folks need to realize that I haven't kept up with this woman, but from what I've seen, she really just don't know what she's doing in some places. From her review on Gnome 2 and her experiences with Gentoo, it seems to me that she tried to tweak things her way and blames the system she's reviewing when she messes up.
Just an observation.
You do have a good point.
If I considered this good information, I would feel guilty about getting him modded down just because it's him and of what he did. Good info is good info. I do feel guilty that I'm glad he's not getting his precious karma, and it's small of me to get into the mindset of a karma war. Karma means nothing.
However, this system is in place to rate the "jewels" highly, and an altered repost of a preface is redundant, IMO, as I said before. This article is a review, I think it explains the book fine.
Just my opinion. Sorry if you disagree or fault me for pointing out undeserved karma.
I must disagree. The IE building might have been improved the fastest while Netscape's building was crumbling away, but the Mozilla folks are building a good foundation that's very flexible.
When you start finding applications developed for Mozilla, I think you'll also find a lot of people switching over as well. Like anything, it will take time, but with enough content and things using Mozilla, the public will follow.
This is not a misinformed post: the company I work for is very seriously considering this path for our software.
I'll admit my use of the word "Troll" was a bit loose, however:
My Review
by Pave Low
While this is a nice repost of the preface, it's altered just enough and titled so as to make the poster look intelligent. Please take the time to peruse his user info and notice the quality of his comments. He's just being a karma whore to make up for some very bad posts of his.
Personally, I would find reposting of the preface redundant: this article is a *review* of the book, we're aware of what it's about. Even so, this is not a straight-up repost.
Hiyas, Pave! Good trolling!
Folks, this is a rip of the preface of the book.
Have a look for yourself and then mod this troll down.
Oh, Bruce Perens, where are you?!
Be careful how you word it. Correct me if I have anything wrong here...
"If the kernel doesn't enforce any DRM", in my mind, doesn't break the DMCA simply because it's a passive act, it involves no "breaking". However, I don't trust our government to agree with me.
*gobble gobble*
Mmm... trollie bait.
Please, Sir Troll (or anyone else), explain how this is an opinion? =) I'd be very interested to know.
Don't waste your time splitting hairs with me.
Go back and read some of your previous comments.
Better yet, I'll help you.
Quoth the troll:
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today's activities notwithstanding, VA Linux is headed for the tubes.
Once this POS hits bankruptcy, the Linux as Microsoft-beater movement will be over.
(This ia a real prediction, not a troll).
Calling VA Software a POS, or am I mis-reading? That's not a way to make friends on a VA Software website... gee, ya think?
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" [by running Linux] you also get less than have the features and productivity you'd get from running windows."
While some would call this an opinion, and in a very general sense it can be, this is just a plain retarded statement. Features? Start naming things Linux can't do that Windows can and stop once you hit the half-way mark.
And how about productivity? Well, name something that I can't do on Linux that I need to do to become productive in a "normal environment."
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" [the] left leaning [New York Times] (which has more and more blurred the line between news and commentary with their liberal bias) endorses a communist's OS.
Who's next, the People's Daily?"
There's plenty more in his message history. Prosecution rests.
While I understand your point that I shouldn't be biased towards someone who disagrees with me, there is a difference between stating an opinion, and flaming anyone who dislikes Microsoft while in the same breath calling Linux a communist operating system (while this is true as in Marxist Communism [to a degree IMO, anyway], it has a large negative connotation and that's the way I took it).
I'll respect someone's opinion if it's half-way informed and refrains from seriously flaming others.
Doesn't it just get ya right here *thumps chest* when you've gotta shell out more money for something you should have had years ago?
I love that feeling.
I won't take this point by point, but I will give general commentary. Please correct me if I read something wrong.
1) Microsoft gained some of their position through monopoly. This would include the browser, etc. IIRC, they did put in incompatibilities with other systems in the early days of Windows (read: 90-95), but I wouldn't say they were big enough to be called a monopoly -- Apple had a good chunk of the market until the AOLers (read: typical users) came onto the scene.
2) Microsoft isn't *all* bad. Forced standards are at least standards. They suck, but it's better than outright chaos, at least in the short term.
3) Settle down, Jimmy! I completely agree with most of what you posted. I'm a Microsoft and tech history buff, and what you speak is true for the most part. However, Microsoft is not as evil as certain other corporations (pharmaceuticals, maybe?). They're very, very stupid (read: the article this thread is in reply to), and they'll lie and cheat to sell their mother's eyes. And it boggles my mind. But it's not the end of the world, OSS will eventually win out. Why? Because it's a small niche right now and it can actually compete. But that's another thread...
Too... lazy.. to... link...
IIRC, they licensed the ability to view Xerox code and designs for their GUI, but they had already had a GUI project underway and they didn't rip source.
"{insert obligatory 'video games relating to children killing people, etc.' banter here}"
I'm too damn lazy to fetch the link, but I hope you don't mean this -- there are many reputable studies to prove otherwise.
I'm not just a supporter, I'm a case study.
"Have you ever thought that possibly every one of the "MS supporters" you see online are actually paid to astroturf?"
Yes.
Let me quote a previous post of his to demonstrate:
Regarding the good review on Linux in the NYT:
" a left leaning newspaper (which has more and more blurred the line between news and commentary with their liberal bias) endorses a communist's OS.
Who's next, the People's Daily?"
-1 Offtopic... yeah
Go back and read this guy's past comments. If this guy doesn't work for Microsoft in a direct or indirect way, I'd be surprised.
Anyone find it ironic that the parent came right after a post talking about Microsoft trolls?
On topic, I think it's very relevant. Complaining and laughing at a company as stupid as Microsoft is relaxing. =)
Move over folks. The demons from Hell need to share the bathroom, it's getting a bit too cold down there.