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Retailers Won't Sell New Acclaim Game
DrEnter writes "According to this Yahoo article, Wal-Mart, Toys R Us, and Kay-Bee Toys are refusing to carry Acclaim's new video game 'BMX XXX'. Best Buy has stated it will sell a censored version of the game. Acclaim is billing it as the first major release game to feature full-action nudity, with prostitutes and pimps and main characters. A Wal-Mart spokesman stated "We're not going to carry any software with any vulgarity or nudity -- we're just not going to do it." I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart sells rated-R movies (including those arguably targeted at the same age group as this game is), so make your own judgement..."
Acclaim has announced that the refusal of some retailers to carry the game would have no impact on sales, as no one has planned to buy the worthless piece of crap anyway.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
There is all that Playboy and Penthouse software on the top shelf of the computer software section at Hastings...
Let me be the first of many to say, "I'm so completely surprised at this."
Hmm, I didn't sound too convincing there, did I?
That was vulgar and featured nudity and everybody loved it. No stores, as I recall, refused to sell that. Still I suppose the graphics have come a little since those days, perhaps it is the realism that shocks them.
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Prostitutes and pimps - sure, but main characters? Won't somebody please think of the children?
-- Free speech is only free if your time is worth nothing.
The walmart spokesman cleared his throat and continued, "The staple of gaming content has always been VIOLENCE. Sure, we'll sell games where you can watch someone get their head cut off, THATS good clean fun."
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
Books, comics, movies, tv shows, news and games with violence are everywhere.
Violence is OK everyone.
A naked person, though, will destroy the fabric of society as we know it. And s*x, I won't even dare say the word.
-... ---
I can sort of understand why the toy stores won't stock it, but i'm assuming walmart/bestbuy are department stores. If they sell DVD titles (movies) that are R18+ rated, why the double standard for a video game? Did these stores also refuse GTA3 and the forthcoming GTA3:vice-city for their sexual content? It seems a little contradictory to me.
Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
Just like one of the posters said on the accompanying message board, this is nothing but capitalism working as it normally does, and working quite well.
;-D) in person.
"Developers have the right to make it. Stores have the right to carry it or shun it. We have the right to buy it, ignore it or shop elsewhere."
Sure, it serves as an eye-popper and conversation piece for news outlets since there's (gasp!) nudity in a video game, but it's not like 99.6% of all 15-year old guys haven't already seen a naked woman on video, in a magazine, or (hopefully
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do they cary Divi Dead, Critical Point, Tokimeki Check-In!, or any other such game. I hate censorship, but unless you expect these other games to show up at Wal-Mart, this isnt at all newsworthy.
Besides, I seem to recall reading about a stalker/rapist sim that was in full 3d, I'm pretty sure that had nudity. Go fuck yourself "BMX XXX" bullshit.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
This isn't these stores taking "responsibility", its them acknowledging that the parents who can't police their children properly will shove their responsibility (that of the parents) onto the store. The fact is, if parents were able to actually take care of their children, it wouldn't matter if hard-core pornography was shelved next to Barney cartoons - the kids wouldn't ever actually get access. My parents made it quite clear whenever I was not to be doing something, and when I went behind their backs I was inevitably punished. More importantly, they explained their reasons for each edict, and as a result I respected their decisions as my parents instead of resenting them blindly. Thats the lesson the stores are teaching parents: if you dont take care of your kids, we'll do it for you. Thats plain fucking lazy.
"Stumble before you crawl"
Wal-Mart has a history of selling censored music selections; it's not surprising to hear that they aren't willing to sell a soft-porn version of a game. Especially when you consider that while middle-age men may buy movies at Wal-Mart while the wimmunfolk are shopping; most of the PC and console gamers that buy from Wal-Mart (or K-B, or Toys-R-Us) are under 18.
That being said, what retailers _are_ going to be selling the uncensored version of the game?
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People will do as they want. If stores didnt carry Grand Theft Auto 3, they would be losing out on a good chunk of change.
If this game gets that popular, then either they will sell it or miss out on the profit.
I really dont have a problem with things like this unless it is the government (federal, state, or local) saying that something can't be sold in town, state, or country. If Wal-Mart et al want to not sell it, frankly, its their business.
Of course it is good that the public stays informed... Wal-mart doesnt get my money when I need paper towels any more if they choose to censor this.
But that their choice, and I imagine plenty of other people who like dirty games will continue to buy their paper towels at Wal-Mart.
good, my little 6 year old billy is way too young to see such vulgarity! the makers of this game should be thrown in jail for exposing our children to this filth!
now, if you'll excuse me. i need to take billy to the movies, he wants to see the transporter.
Gentlemen...BEHOLD!
-Dr. Weird
From reading the blurb from the acclaim site I would say it is not near X rated. While I do think it is compleatly distastefull, I think you can find more sexual content in "Not Another Teen Movie" or "Too High".
... I won't *buy* it at Wal-mart, Best Buy...
FLR
I beleive there were also similar efforts back in the day invlovling Leisure Suit Larry, but I doubt any of those retailers sold PC games during the 80's and early 90's when Leisure Suit Larry was at its peak. This probably the best publicity going, especially if the game isn't that good, which I can't imagine how BMX and XXX would go together well.
This smells to me like a marketing ploy. Remember Showgirls?, one of the worst movies ever but by stirring up controversy the movie generated sufficent sales to be profitable.
Since profitablity is the bottem line for Acclaim here, by getting the media to report on major chains refusing to carry the game they will probally generate more sales and hence greater profits.
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I would imagine that they would have us think that there is notheing wrong with violence, and everything wrong with sex. Talk about a messed up set of priorities. This is the same thing that happens in every blockbuster. All violence and no sex. This sends a clear message to people.
Walmart does however, sell censored versions of a lot of media. Which is why I refuse to buy anything there. I'd hate to bring a cd or dvd home that's been Walmartized.
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
Dear Walmart,
Thank you for insuring that our new game "BMX XXX" becomes the most sought after title to ever hit the market. You see, in our business there is no such thing as bad publicity, which you have provided us in spades. We are now the "Sopranos" of the gaming world. There is nothing like controversy to insure we have an audience.
Again, Thank You.
P.S. We're sorry you are going to miss the sales revenue generated by this sleeper cult classic... On second thought, we could care less about your puritanical revenue model destroyed by a week's loss in imports.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
This kind of censorship will ensure this thing will be one of the hottest things selling. They may not carry it in the stores, but watch their online sites. Also watch for this thing to be traded like crazy on EBay.
Of course I'm speaking from the truely informed position of someone who doesn't even own a console of any kind. (My kid is still to young to badger me for one.)
The title may be XXX, but I doubt very much the content will actually be X-rated. After all, it is a game with nude girls riding bikes, not engaging in penetrative sex. From all the reviews i've read, it is just a rehash of the last game but with scantily-clad ladies on the bikes instead of blokes in baggy trousers.
Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
Wal-mart was the retailer than pulled teh Goo-Goo Dolls album "A Boy Named Goo" because the boy on the cover had 'goo' that looked like blood and Wal-mart doesn't like to sponsor child abuse.
Idiots.
Acclaim is to the game industry what Troma is to the movie industry.
On a related note, does anyone know if this game will use the extremely rare "AO" (Adults Only) ESRB rating?
Schnapple
I think the article's comparisons to GTA 3 are unfounded. Why? Because GTA 3 had some very innovative gameplay: a continuous and hugely interactive world with missions taking place directly in the environment, a wide variety of exploration options leading to a huge replay value.
BMX XXX is a.... bmx game. Now I'm not going to say that GTA 3 is a Goodfellas or even a Sopranos but it at least had a semi-adult theme: criminal underworld. It was about as accurate as... I dunno, a CBS Sunday Night movie on the mob. And so there was little stretching the imagination to see that prostitution and drugs and violence would be involved.
But a BMX game? It's like trying to get people to switch to Linux by lacing nekkid girlie pictures into the kernel. A shallow attempt to spice something up.
What is music when you despise all sound?
Very American: ok for kids to see bullets but not dicks. Violence is acceptable but sex is just dirty.
Now that we have advanced systems and greedy corporations profiting off of putting smut on every CD until most of the games on the market are rated R (MA-17 or whatever), it's going to have some definite effects on society.
We already have enough people who are desensitized to this killing -- I felt terrible when I blew someone's head into a bunch of tiny pink chunks in Counter-Strike, I was appalled. Now I can watch Faces of Death without flinching, and I frequently think of blowing people apart in real-life with an AR-15 like in Counter-Strike, and it scares me.
Now games go further than violence, like with Grand Theft Auto 3 -- and with every kid in our nation being latchkey kids, we're going to raise an entire generation of sociopaths that are going to make the droogs in A Clockwork Orange look like a choir boys.
Corporations are getting rich off of peddling smut, and it's about time family businesses took a stand against the immoral and depraved game industry.
I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart sells rated-R movies (including those arguably targeted at the same age group as this game is), so make your own judgement...
When you buy an R-rated movie at Wal-Mart, at checkout, a thing pops up to remind the cashier to ask you for ID. So yes, Walmart does sell those movies, but no, they don't sell them to under-17 people. And I challenge you to find movies with full frontal nudity on Walmart's shelves.
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On another note, this game might be just what it takes to get me into gaming. Final Fantasy didn't do it, but if Aki had been naked....
Cmon, they made me look REAL great in the pimp outfit, you guys gotta check out this game!
Little Johnny on the Redline, performs endos and bunny hops for my ladies....
OK, so Wal-mart, K-mart, and Quicky-marts can sell Eminem albums (and lots of 'em), but they won't dare sell videogames with 16-bit color depth-versions of naked women?
So the following sample of Eminem lyrics -- "Ya'll niggas wanna dead..Then wanna ride..Ya'll know the niggas that be steady screamin'.. (Fuck you!).. It's murda murda.. you know it's murda murda.. We scream it.. we yell it.. we livin' murda murda murda" -- is perfectly wholesome, family-oriented poetry, but the aforementioned dorky BMX racing game is just too crude to sell?
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I'm not sure I agree with the story's claim that Wal-Mart sells R-rated movies to the 12-and-under audience this game was created for. That would be illegal. Some fact checking appears to be in order.
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Superintendent, CCBC
I can remember quite a few different pr0n-themed Quake maps and mods, and that was back when Quake/QuakeWorld was it. Of course, those weren't in a toystore on the shelf with "XXX" in the name.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
... until Kazaa users turn ethical.
now THAT's more like it. I haven't seen this good of a game since Leisure Suit Larry!
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oh baby! - Jenni-cam move aside.
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Leisure Suit Larry.... This is just a PR move made by some 50 or 60 year old people who just don't have thier screws right.
"I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart sells rated-R movies (including those arguably targeted at the same age group as this game is), so make your own judgement..."
This is likely because video games present an interactive environment. While movies may desensitize us to violence and sex, video games give us the feel that we are part of the action. When presented this simply (which is how the general public is likely to perceive it) video games with similar adult or violent content are worse than movies of the same genre.
That said, this move by these retailers isn't something to poo-poo too much. Retailers are free in this society to choose what they carry. No one goes into a WalMart and demands they sell hardcore pr0n. As a corollary these businesses have their respective markets to think about. For instance, one may prefer to buy a book at B&N over some Christian book stores, even though they may carry the same book (I don't know what book but just as an example), because of the "JESUS! JESUS! JESUS!" mentality that store may push on its customers. While they aren't the same, IMHO proselytizing in a bookstore isn't all that different than big SALE signs and such over merchandise. Let's not also forget we do have a free market and where there is a demand for the game there will be someone willing to sell and produce it. I predict much of the sales of this game will be online.
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'We're not going to carry any software with any vulgarity or nudity -- we're just not going to do it'
do they sell UT2003? I got that to say 'Holy shit', that's probably vulgar compared to their standards...
let's not forget the Sims has tons of nude people(blurred out but easily 'fixed')
You assholes are slowing down my chance at seeing some naked CGI hoes!
Stop it before I bitch smack you!
BTW - I think I will at least rent it, yeah, I'm sick like that.
The dingo ate my sig.
Pretty sanctimonious words for the largest retailer of firearms in the US.
Anyone with a bit of self respect wouldn't really shop at any of those store would they?
It is almost as if these stores are owned by AOL Time Warner. They have the same philosophy which is we know what is best for our customers.
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When Acclaim was asked to comment on the current situation, the CEO had this to say:
"I am outraged that consumers are even THINKING that we are targeting children. Every CD bought comes with a EULA that requires them to return the merchandise if they are not at least 21 years old."
When asked why Acclaim gives 5 packs of Pokemon Trading Cards with each purchase, he had no comment.
Yes, I know Nintendo's changed their policy over the years to accomodate fighting, but I'm surprised that they are going beyond the line that WalMart draws.
hrmmm...if I want to look at digital images of boobs, I think I'll just go look at some porn online and save myself the 20$ for the game and the hour of boredom of playing the game (just to see the digital boobs, nonetheless). ;]
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
I'm and old school gamer. I prefer things 2D over 3D, and think that then quality of the industry has taken a major dive since the popularization of the Playstation (and the ensuing "Playstation Generation) and blatant T&A based franchises like Tomb Raider et al. Naturally, I abhor BMX XXX to its core and wish nothing more than it's utter failure (and the failure of shovelware, gimmicky publishers like Acclaim). Because of this, my first reaction to this news was one of adulation if for no other reason than that this refusal to carry the game will result in fewer sales and send a message to Acclaim to maybe try making a real game instead of peddeling sex to horndog high-schoolers who for some reason think polygonal tits are real neat (trust me guys, flesh is much better).
However, upon further reflection, I realized that a bocott like this on the part of retail chains goes against something I value greatly: freedom. By not carrying these games, not only have Wal-Mart and others create undue hype and press for this piece of shit, but effectively takes power and freedom away from consumers to make their own choices by making them for them. This is not a good thing.
So, as much as I hope this game gets rejected "like a 32X-Sega Virtual Boy Hybrid from Atari*," I wish more that retail chains would stop making choices for consumers and creating hype for crap like this. We're the only ones it hurts, and Acclaim (the company who tried to advertise on grave headstones and offered $10,000 to the first couple to name their child "Turok") is banking on just this kind of publicity.
*Thanks to Dave Halverson of Play and formerly of GameFan for that tastey quote.
'DrEnter writes "According to this Yahoo article, Wal-Mart, Toys R Us, and Kay-Bee Toys'
"Toys 'R Us", moron.
'Best Buy has stated it will sell a censored version of the game.'
"Best Buy has stated THAT it will..."
'Acclaim is billing it as the first major release game'
"Major-release" game you idiot.
'with prostitutes and pimps and main characters.'
"prostitutes and pimps AS main characters." Jesus!
'I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart sells rated-R movies(including those arguably targeted at the same age group as this game is), so make your own judgement..."'
It sounds like you are trying to influence us, dolt.
What "news" site carries such subjective work as this crap? Rot in hell.
I'm not sure about R-rated movies, but Wal-Mart has a pretty long history of censorship including sanitizing CDs, and refusing to sell magazines with "indecent" covers. So this move doesn't really surprise me, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they refused to sell certain R-rated movies for the same reasons (whatever they are).
Thank goodness Wal-Mart still sells shotguns and rifles in the sporting goods section. (Milage in your state my vary..)
IMHO, people who are afraid of the human body and sex are the perverted ones. I'm willing to bet that sex is one of the most frequently repeated activities on the planet. Therefore, its is a normal, healthy human activitiy.
All you christian zelots and psycologically repressed people are on the outside of normal group, not the inside. Censorship, even voluntary self-censorship, is sicker than any sexual activity between consenting adults.
Doubtful that there's connection between this and lax parental responsibility. Different parents raise their kids differently.
This is about WalMart, et al, making a decision about what they'll sell or not sell, and also avoiding a great deal of bad publicity by carrying the games. The game section of these stores are meccas for kids; no store manager wants to explain to the local news folks why they let school kids buy the games.
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Just got back from USA - love Americans had a ball working with them - but you guys have lost the plot!! I can go into Wal-mart and pick up a box of shot gun shells, more guns and instruments of death than I have ever seen in my life and baby camoflage outfits for "Daddys little hunter" - but the sight of a womans nipple or a baby suckling will destroy the fabric of society?
You've got some sniper running around taking pot shots at anyone in the wrong place, kids shooting school kids and tv news showing people with blood spurting out and dying - but don't mention sex!! Some New Yorker was taken down for fare evasion - a whole $1.50 - good to know the value of life!
I'd rather have my kids making love than shooting each other We all have a body - we don't all have guns.
not to be bringing home video games with themes of sex and violence. It's got to be either one, or the other... (-;
WalMart can choose what they want to carry. They did the following analysis:
:-)
(# people we will piss off by selling their kids a porn game)*(# people each of them will get to boycott our store)*($$ those people would otherwise spend here)
vs
(# people we would buy a porn game at WalMart, of all places)*(price of the game) + (# people who will boycott WalMart for not selling porn)*(percentage of those people that don't already know WalMart doesn't sell porn)*($$ they would otherwise spend)
It isn't hard to figure out that the first number is bigger
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but not until I get to check out the screen shots!!!
There's no reason they would have to allow kids to buy the game. They card for other things, why not this?
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
...are a good thing, though. :)
Censoring PCs...And I thought I hated all forms of censorship.
What's this Submit thingy do?
Walmart and the other stores are doing this for their image, plain and simple. It's a business move and they don't want to lose any conservative customers. The fact they'll carry rated-R movies that contain tons of violence, sexual dialogue or nudity and not this game seems ridiculous.
However, I would applaud any company that did such an action based upon principle (and was consistent with their actions). The fact is, most people don't have good parents. We're fortunate. So what should happen to the many kids out there without good parents? The rest of society (businesses, government, other community members) MUST raise them properly. It's our obligation to society and the kids. We need to try to educate and improve the parents, but the kids (and society) will be the ones to suffer if the rest of society doesn't take up the slack.
Walmart isn't sending any message to the parents because the bad parents don't even know what's going on or care. They're not going to learn any lesson here from this. In this case, I disagree with Walmart, but I agree in the principle of raising others' children and preserving an image of yourself.
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I'm a store manager for one of the video game chains that will be selling BMX XXX, and last month I got a chance to hear about the game from the people at Akklaim and even saw a bit of game footage. Here is what I took away from the preview: 1) This game plays like the old dave mirra games, but with more plot thrown into each stage ( pimps yelling at their employees, monkeys throwing poo, dogs fornicating) 2) Somebody went to great pains to give you the ultimate control in the create a skater mode including breast size and (abscence of) choice of clothes. 3) If you get enough money, you get to go to Scores gentleman's club to watch a video clip of a real dancer. 4) The Gamecube and XBOX versions will have a raunch-o-meter to let you turn off nudity and bad language while the PS2 version will automatically be a little more tame (no full nudity). 5) They made sure to stay in the M rating, as an Ao would mean that the rest of the chains that are selling the game would also drop it from their shelves.
Basically, it looks like annother lame BMX game that Akklaim is trying to boost sales of by tossing in a little raunch. A good buy, if you have no life or acess to better adult materials.
I'm making a trip to Wal-Mart to pick up a few firearms for use in our revolt against Wal-Mart's stance of not carrying violent video games, any takers? We can pick up some Alcohol and live ammunition while we're there. hypo...hypo...crit? I think that's the word...
What age group are BMX games targeted at? Now add the porn...see the problem?
I must admit, I'm a bit confused as to when, in the eyes of "Your Smut Online" retailers lost the right of choosing how to stock their shelves while, somehow, you retain the right to buy it. You have a right to speak: you don't have a right to make me or anyone else listen.
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They're open 24 hours. Okay, so is Albersons (a supermarket similar to Winn-Dixie, Kroger, Piggly-Wiggly, Publix, etc.) but you can't buy oxy-Mapp(tm) torches or marine deep cycle batteries at Albertsons. Hell, you can even buy a jon boat, trolling motor (Sorry, it won't help you with /. trolling), fishing poles, bait, coolers, beer, and fishing license, at 3:00AM if you felt the need.
Very lenient return policy. That old CGA card not quite up to snuff for the latest Quake engine? No problem! Just buy a geforce3 and stuff your old card back in the box and bring it back. The friendly folks at the Wal-Mart return counter can't tell the difference.
Super Wal-Marts mean you can get groceries too! Need a USB joystick, a bag of beef jerky, some Jolt cola, a whole turkey and an Audigy? You can get all this and more at a super Wal-Mart.
As far as I can tell this is just Dave Mirra 3 with new levels and boobies. Why does letting you ride your bike past dogs having sex make this a revolutionary title? Why should people who didn't buy the last BMX title (or bought it and wish they hadn't) bother with this? Give the public a little credit Acclaim, at least GTA3 was fun to play. I'd work on fixing the glaring play control issues in your title before I go: "Hey, our game isn't selling, I know, lets stick some titties in it, that'll make it edgy"
As a zealous Christian, (dare I admit that I might be categorized as a 'fundie' by the /. crowd?)
I can say that I am not afraid of the human body. I like sex quite a bit, too.
That having been said, I believe that God designed sex to be expressed in the context of an emotionally intimate committed relationship. One reference that discusses sexual satifaction survey results is here
Apparently Christians have higher rates of sexual satisfaction than non-Christians.
With regard to censorship, perhaps Walmart is making decisions based on what their customers want. The marketplace is free, and I don't get up in arms when your favorite pr0n store refuses to carry Jonah - If you want the game, you know where you can find it - Google is your friend.
Respectfully,
Anomaly
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But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
This is the problem with censorship nowadays, they're too damn cunning.
/angry/ about not being able to obtain. Who the fuck would go through a world of trouble to get this thing available in stores?
/seriously/ overused themes in modern games) So when they want to ban the next Thief or Deus Ex for "encouraging criminal activity" it'll be that much harder to stop them.
In the past, censorship enthusiasts* were dumb, and banned works of art, stuff that people could defend on quality grounds, stuff that people would get
I hate censorship, but can I actually be bothered to complain about reduced distribution for an "extreme" sports game featuring hookers? (two
*I know that Walmart not selling != censored, but you have to consider the size of the company and the number of games they shift. When multi-billion dollar companies refuse to have anything to do with controversial and "anti-social" games then it's not long until we're all playing "The Happy Little Elves(tm)(c) go to Disneyland(tm)(r)" and "DMCA Takedown: Piracy Bust".
Milkman Dan would be proud, but I am not.
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
"We're not going to carry any software with any vulgarity or nudity -- we're just not going to do it."
I just don't get these double standards. They sell all kinds of movies and videos where sex and violence are rampant. Walmart sells Sopranos, American Pie and some other R-rated dvds. I am guessing (and hoping) that they don't sell such videos/dvds to underage children.
Then why in the world they refuse to acknowledge the ratings on the games. The rating are there for a purpose. Of all the big games that are out/coming out, violence is a big part of them. And of course, as we all know from TV, sex follows. Read and understand the the ratings on the games and stick to them. Sell the games like cigarettes if you have to, just don't give me your double standards.
Well if it's in a blurb, it must be completely accurate!!!
XXX is in the damn title! I think that is a pretty clear indication that it is not a PG-13 game. Besides, you sound awfully definately about a game that you just heard about moments ago... When it comes out and you've played it, THEN you can fairly discuss the rating you think it deserves.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Being from NZ an' all...
Wal-mart won't sell a computer game because of a little bit of nudity, yet it continues to sell guns.
Is there anyone _inside_ the US that doesn't find that just a tad strange?
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I cannot express how much respect I just lost for society.
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And the trailer(quicktime) is Here It looks like they just reskinned the normal models, nothing interesting. Now, if they were smart they would of got the developers from the Dead Or Alive series
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http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?cat=419 38&dept=4096&product_id=1731382&path=0%3A4096%3A41 938%3A45111%3A45114
And that is all I have to say.
Custer's Revenge for the Atari 2600 was probably the first game that retailers would refuse to sell. Check it out here
Because, as anyone who worked in a videogame store will tell you, immediately after refusing to sell a game to a child too young, you will have a parent burst into your shop screaming "WHY WON'T YOU SELL THIS GAME TO MY KID?".
In terms of frustration, it's better just not to sell the damn game.
Eyes Wide Shut
Is it just me, or does this decision border on Censorship? And, isn't that unconstitutional?
Oh, wait. Our nation allows itself to be goverened by a set of strict morals handed down by the Church. Wal-Mart, et all, don't want their squeaky clean images to be tarnished and suffer attacks from the one institution that seems to be above everything else.
Even though it most likely won't, it needs to stop. Otherwise, we'll just be sheep for the rest of our lives...
Does Walmart sell Penthouse / Playboy / Hustler? No?
Do they sell Time / Field & Stream / Sports Illustrated? Yes?
Then why isn't everyone here getting their panties in a bunch over _that_ bias? Why would not the clear policy they have for which print media they retail carry across into the electronic media they stock? Why should a retailer like Walmart make an exception for a one-trick pony console game?
Hey, Mr. Magazine Man! Yeah, you! You're selling House & Garden, but I don't see no Juggs! What kind of friggin' hypocrite are you? Don't you know this is America, Land of the Free, and I gotta right to buy what I want where I want to? [spit]
[sigh]
Sometimes it seems everybody is spoilin' for a fight, but all these Walmart guys are doing is looking to make a living and not piss off their core clientele. Seems to me they're behaving sensibly.
No, I think you're missing the point -- the fact that parents have a responsibility to take care of their kids does not in any way take away a store-owner's right to decide what type of establishment he wants to run.
Nor is this `just' about morality -- the storeowner (in this case WalMart) is making a clear business decision based on the fact that many customers will choose a store without porn in it over a store with porn in it when they take their kids shopping.
Here's the trailer for the xbox version. About 10MB and takes a while to load. http://xboxmovies.ign.com/xbox/video/bmxxx_1001_1. mov
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Only topless nudity. The dialogue and such isn't anything worse than GTA3. No full frontals, definately no sex .. just alot of attitude. Really, if they dont sell this, they shouldn't sell GTA3.
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.. graphic violence is fine, easily found on their shelves, the heavens forbid we should see a nipple! For crying out loud ...
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yeah, its way more moral to carjack and kill people in GTA3 than it is to ride a skateboard and look at women's boobs
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This society has a rediculous double standard when it comes to what kids see and watch
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walmart sells GTA3
its one of the most fun games i've ever played but its they worst influence on ever.
so if they sell gta3, then why wont they sell this.
``I'm pretty sure Wal-Mart sells rated-R movies (including those arguably targeted at the same age group as this game is), so make your own judgement...''
Come on. It's all just show. No store has a real objection against selling this kind of stuff, they just want to pretend they care for your kids, too. Like your kids aren't gonna leech/burn/... it if they want it...
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Can we still do that these days? Now, where's my remote...
If it's on compueer theres this big issue about it. For example there was this kid in my area. He hacked in and ttole an exam. He was expelled and haad criminal acttion brought againnst him. on the other hand if someone simply stole an eexam off a teacher desk or something, suspended, or maybe fail tthe course. There's this big paranoya when it comes to computers. It's like the same thing done on a somputer is much worse when done normally. Would i buy the gamme, no. But when they're already selling R-rated movies, is this this far off?
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Where the hell are the SCREENSHOTS?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! Show some fucking screenshots!
It is indeed sad when a video game company sticks a bunch of video of strippers in a BMX game to sell more titles. I'm sure the audience for this game consists of the same people that watch Strip Poker on USA at 3am. Sad.
If you want to see naked women, go buy some porn or get an internet connection. Games like this inevitably suck because developer time and financial resources were wasted in the making. Or maybe they're just covering up the fowl smell of an already horrible game. It's chicken and egg really.
I'd just like to open up the shrink wrap of a game knowing that some quality effort went into it. Some adult content is fine as long as it is in context: (i.e. GTA 3) These publicity stunts and marketing hype are getting old.
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I can't see that site because of Bug 143292 at bugzilla.mozilla.org.
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I really dont have a problem with things like this unless it is the government (federal, state, or local) saying that something can't be sold in town, state, or country
This doesn't apply directly to the article, but it's kinda-sorta related: Whenever a telecommunications company such as a cable company or a phone company gets a government-granted monopoly from a local government, then that company has the power to censor. Even under the strictest definition of censorship ("it's only censorship if it's done by a state"), it's still censorship because the telco's statutory monopoly prevents those who want to speak freely from setting up competing telecom services.
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I see... Society has a double standard because you don't like it? Give me a break.
Nudity and Violence are two different things. Saying that one should be permitted because the other is, assumes some connection or similarity between the two. The least you could do is try to find some study that supports your point of view.
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is hipocritical.
Killing and violence have been commonplace throughout history. Sex has been pretty popular too, judging from the six billion people on our planet today. Every society condemns violence. Yet many cultures that depend on sex to propagate their values treat sex as a shameful act. Who the hell pulled that manuever?
I doubt that historically all cultures have been so prudish. What kind of organization could propagate such a ridiculous idea to so many people? Hmmm...
Because most kids could never get unspeakable amounts of the most crude forms of pornography the planet has ever known. I mean yeah, all those kids with active internet connections to their homes are hanging out on Nickelodeon.com or disney.com, right? Besides, it is far better to subject them to the exploding heads and guts strewn about a floor in a 1st person shooter then it is for them to see a little nudity and hear some curse words. What a backwards ass society we live in.
Last time I checked, Wal-Mart stocked Duke Nukem 3d and all the add ons...
Sorry but this comment is extremely flawed. Throughout the rest of the world are countries like my own that manage to have a free, democratic society without the populace being armed to the teeth. Conversely there are also plenty of countries who are absolutely saturated with guns that are still run by malevolent dictators. As far as I can see the only time I would need to start keeping guns around the house is when every other looney in my country starts carrying one... rather self defeating really.
Let's be realistic here, the game will be rated M. Simple as that. If you sell or rent an M rated game/video to a minor, at least here in New Zealand, you get fined. Simple. That's why the ratings exist.
If Wal-Mart et al are too immature to carry this title, and feel it nessesary to release a whiney, pathetic "so there" statement to the media ("We're not going to carry any software with any vulgarity or nudity -- we're just not going to do it," Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams told Reuters." - what? Is he going to cry now? Grow up.), then I'll simply spend my money elsewhere.
Looks can be deceiving. Or CAN they?
Without responding to a particular message, it seems that people are commonly decrying Wal-Mart, et. al. for refusing to sell Acclaim's 'BMX XXX.' On the other hand, it seems that people applaud Acclaim for exercising its right to make the game and they're glad consumers have the right to buy it. That seems like a double-standard to me. It seems as if people would deny Wal-Mart, et. al. the right to moral outrage. People have forgotten what "tolerance" means; one defintion is, "The endurance of the presence or actions of objectionable persons, or of the expression of offensive opinions" (Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1913, taken from GDict). One need not approve of something in order to "tolerate" it. Voltaire said something like, "I may not like what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." People seem unquestioningly willing to defend Acclaim's "right to say it," but they don't seem equally willing to defend Wal-Mart. Acclaim has no right to Wal-Mart as a sales venue. Wal-Mart should be applauded for its expression of its freedom to choose what products will (and will not) be sold in its stores.
Yes but how about when everything is gratuitous? You just plain don't have to add this kind of trash to a BMX video game to make a good game. It's stupid. If the stuff actually added to the game, I may see it (say murder mystery game where a guy walked in on his Wife having sex and he killed the guy and you got shown this as your character figured everything out and was describing it in the end). Or something other then a BMX game. This is Walmarts point. It's stupid to sell a censored version, so the chose not to sell it. I think it's their choice. I will still buy my snack foods and caffiene there. I agree Parents should be in their kids lives, but just having this thing on display is problem enough.
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Yeah but look on Walmart's shelves and see if you see any movies that have GRATUITOUS sex in them. Look for movies like Tom Hank's Bachelor Party, Hamburger the Movie, Hot Dog (skiing movie with mucho tits in it I think) and you just plain won't see it there. Anything with GRATUITOUS sex you won't find it there but if someone flashes a tit (Jamie Lee Curtis in Trading Places) you will find it there. Yeah that could be considered a little gratuitous, but there's maybe one or two seens where she bares breast. Not 30 or more! SO I don't see it as being much different.
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What about farting & fucking. Has anyone else farted and came at the same time?
Games that glorify criminal behaviour are ok (GTA3). Games that display violent death, scattering blood and body parts is ok (just about any first-person shooter). But a games that displays NAKED BREASTS is absolutely unacceptable! Sometimes I wonder about American value systems...
..they will sell this book?
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Basically a little virtual nudity and profanity is bad but beatiality is good? hmmm...thats ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-d
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp;jser
should we be critisizing walmart for not selling a video game thats just as raunchy as some of the movies they carry or for the fact that walmart moves into small towns and eats big loss to drop prices so low the competition has to close with and end result of walmart charging more in the end then the competition did in the start?
i would love to have walmart explain this one to me.
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Black rappers and white computer programmers converge to destroy American culture. The monsters that are being raised on a diet of Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. can now play games like Hitman 2 and Grand Theft Auto (or BMX XXX -worst idea for a game ever? I digress...) while they listen. I'm not for censorship by the government, but I am for good judgement by the media companies that produce this trash. There don't seem to be any brakes on this frieght train of bad taste.
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VGs with violence always integrate it into the gameplay but VGs with nudity or sexual content make it some side bonus that isn't really part of the game.
What if there was a video game that did integrate sex into the gameplay? In Japan they've had point-and-click dating games, but what if nudity/love/sex were part of other genres?
For example, the Japanese have a comic book about a sex sport where a man and woman try to make the other person come first. What if there was a video game about that, styled after 1 on 1 fighting games? There'd be the usual selection of characters and backdrops, but instead of a damage bar there'd be a horniness bar. There'd be plenty of flashy special moves, but instead of doing damage they'd be foreplay moves that raise the other person's horniness bar. Horniness would also be represented visually by clothes falling off, blushing, trembling and heavy breathing. Instead of Mortal Kombat's "Fatalities" or Street Fighter's "Super Finishers" there'd be orgasm moves. I'd want an anime-style game company doing this because the Japanese put sex in their entertainment way better than Americans do.
I also wonder if abstract or "cartoonized" sex is better than realistic sex. Think of the arguments about realistic violence vs cartoon violence. Some say that kids will be less harmed by seeing fake, cartoon violence because perhaps if kids don't see the real thing, they won't do the real thing. Others say that kids will be less harmed by seeing realistic violence because they'll see the real consequences and fear them. I don't know the answer to that argument, but I do ask: Is fake looking sex or realistic looking sex better for kids? If that 1-on-1 sex game kept the moves but hid the crotches, would it be OK for kids of all ages?
...or if you're not up to taking on the opposition physically. For instance, if you live in a relatively wild area, you wouldn't want to have to fend off a hungry cougar with, say, a knife... or a fist, which is about what some countries would let you use.
.45 ACP, OTOH, would be quite discouraging to an attacker who lacks a death wish.
And I doubt that, say, a 110# female with a sedentary lifestyle could spar with a pair of 170# thugs with a habit of violent exercise... and your 70-year-old grandmother is probably too slow to even try to run. When it comes to self-defense, without weapons, the fight would generally be extremely uneven.
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"Hi there, Mr. Walmart employee. I'll take a toaster, a microwave, some razors, 'Donald Duck's Christmas movie', new ink for my printer and 'cum-crazed coeds take it in every hole'".
SUX? Yes, it certainly does!
Some screenshots and extra info can be found here:
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Yes walmart sells r-rated movies, but censored. They also sell sensored audio cds. For instance, I made the mistake of buying a Cake cd. CAKE for christ's sake, and it was censored. It doesn't suprise me in the least they'd refuse to sell even a censored version of the game.
Its only a matter of time until Namco announces Cocksucker Pacman
Yeah, XXX is in the title. Like that movie this summer that has XXX in the title, I mean it was rated XXX, right? Oh, wait. It was rated PG-13.
Remember something about a book by its cover?
This makes sense because it's relatively easy for a parent to figure out if a movie or magazine is R-rated. They know what to look for and how to judge the content.
You don't need to worry so much about books which contain adult themes (these stores do not carry erotic stories, but do carry books that may contain sexual or adult content) because anyone who can read those types of books is probably old enough to handle it. Plus reading the book places those adult themes into adult context.
But when it comes to video and computer games, how often do you hear the kid asking the parent what the game is about? It's entirely the other way around; the parent asks the kid what the game is about. It's entirely plausible that a lot of parents will actually stand there and buy a game like BMX XXX for their 10 year old son and not realize what they are purchasing. I doubt the same is likely to occur for a movie that has XXX in the title let alone a magazine.
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You know, when you offer all three "Porkys" movies for sale at your retail outlets, you really can't hold up your saintly banner all that well.
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Wal-Mart is all about not pissing off parents by carrying this game. But of course there's nothing wrong with hiding this gem on you $9.96 rack. It's all money to Wal-Mart. They just stand to lose lots with a game that provides an all-new low.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/search-ng.gsp?se
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And occasionally whores for Karma.
I'm not exactly sure that oogling a naked girl on a bike equates to making love. Nor do I ever recall any pimps being equated to eros for helping desperate men find their star-crossed lovers.
While I'm all for gratuitous nudity, I don't see why this is such an issue, As big as Wal-Mart is it has the same right as any mom-and-pop location;
to refuse to sell whatever it wants, whenever it wants to.
I remember there were games for the SegaCD platform which featured full-frontal, and that was back before the SNES. I'm pretty sure that this game isn't, by any means, the first of its kind.
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While we're talking about titties and games, I of course have to mention the completely free and funny as hell Booty Call games. Almost every house party I have ends up with the remaining 15 survivors crammed into my room playing this shit. Funny.
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What if a store wanted to sell me a shotgun, a Nirvana album and an R-rated movie, but no nudity-containing video game? Well I'd settle for a few porn magazines. Point is, I need a one-stop-shop, and WalMart ain't got it.
Please, Walmart, for the decent people out there, give us a place to buy recordings of violent acts, endorsements of violence, instruments of violence and porno. Think of the children.
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No, first you will complain about the fact that they wont sell it, despite the fact that you have little knowledge of the situation (have you played the game or heard from the ESRB?)...
And then you will claim that you don't care to try an legitimize your point.
BTW, The Movie 'XXX' is the SINGLE exception that I can ever recall hearing about.
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A) Toys 'R Us is a KID'S store, not marketing to horny teenage males. B) Why isn't this game rated 'Adults Only', seeing as how it contains full nudity? C) Aren't the people who want to play it going to find it even if major retailers don't carry it? I mean, how often do you guys actually go to a real-world store, anyway? And most of them have different content online anyway. If I were heading a major retail chain, I would keep it out of the store to make parents happy, and put it online so that I could actually sell it. Or sell and edited and a regular version. Something tricky like that. :)
D) Why aren't there ever naked GUYS in games? Girls play games too, and I know that some of us are straight! :) Not that I would buy a naked-guy game; that's just wrong. ;)
Christ, it's spelt RIDICULOUS, not how you pronounce it, jackass!
A double standard is when you apply different values, reasoning or action to one thing.
.. I'm so glad no other kids ever see those things, or we'd be living in a country chalk full of sexually deviant predators, right?!)
I'll make it simple for you. The "one thing" is "what kids and see and watch". The context along which double standards are being applied are: 1) violent content 2) above-the-waist nudity
Its a double standard because there is a plethora of studies linking aggressive behaviour with what kids see or watch (*note: I do not believe that content creators should have culpability for influcing kids, so this isnt an argument for suing id software for columbine or anything asanine like that), but, as far as I know, there are no studies that I am aware of in which viewing the breasts of women can negatively impact the behaviour of a child/teen. (Note: Studies that are in any way connected to the religious right will be accpeted as soon as somebody turns my glass of water into wine.)
Thus, when a violent context exists, which reseach suggests (heres what google has to say) is a detrement to a childs development, we allow them access, yet when the context is of anything near sexual nature (we're talking nipples here), we go to great lengths to deny them access. But since you were unable to recognize the instance of the double standard in this scenario, my confidence is low that this post will help your state of confusion.
(As a related aside, I turned out alright despite watching my aunt breast feed my cousin quite often when I was youngish, but maybe I'm the only child that escaped scenes of nipples in childhood unscaythed. I even saw some playboys when I was 13
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Incidently, NZ isn't a European nation - we're in the South Pacific, East of Austrailia and no - there's no bridge between Sydney and Auckland.
Our government is lots of things, possibly even incompetent. But hey, they were democratically elected - which is more than can be said of Bush.
It's not as wacky as it sounds. The Shaker (offshoot of Quaker) religion is a celibate one. They're more puritan than the Puritans!
However, if guns are freely available, what are the chances our your thugs not having an excellent selection of their own, as well as being more skilled with them than your sedentary female?
Quit bitching. No I haven't played it, but I imagine it'll play like any other Acclaim BMX game. I'm not judging the game, nor am I saying I don't care about the situation. I'm not complaining that they won't sell it, I'm saying their attitude is childish.
I know plenty about the situation. Wal-Mart are being a bunch of babies. It's just a game.
Oh, and XXXL shirts are porn shirts. Or so I hear. I also hear that XXX chilli sauce is hugely popular in the porn industry. XXXX is an Australian beer, obviously because XXX isn't enough to portray the vast amount of nudity involved in the brewing process.
Finally, 24cxxx is an opensource project for programming EPROMs (obviously with library support for pumping out porn).
Grow up.
Looks can be deceiving. Or CAN they?
If we were to block the sale of such truly offensive games as Quarterback Club 2000 DC, perhaps Acclaim would get its' act together and give us decent software!
I am so proud to live in a country that produces such a game. Fuck the dimwits in the military, I am proud of the people who created this wonderful game. *teary eyes* What a wonderful country.
...but it's not like 99.6% of all 15-year old guys haven't already seen a naked woman on video, in a magazine, or (hopefully ;-D) in person.
.4% have seen it in national geographic and emphatically deny that it counts
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I cannot believe that such an untrue post got +5 mod points. Entirely misplaced quote of lyrics, because eminem never has said and probably never will say the "N" word. He has stated many times that he will not because he is white. mod these two up!
13 year old white supremacists are shitty web designers.
I am a Wal Mart electronics associate.
We carry Fallout (vulgarity, text), Die Hard (vulgarity, audio). We'll be carrying GTA4: Vice city (audio vulgarity ?).
We carry very violent games.. (PS2) GTA3, (XBOX) Dead to Rights, the new Mortal Kombat game, (PS2) Mark of Kri, (PC) Mafia, etc etc.
The register prompts whether the customer is 17 when you ring a [M] rated game, or [R] rated movie. I let every parent know what they're buying -- and kids don't get mature games from me. :)
Does anyone know what platform with is be on? PC/PS2/XBox? I gotta get this! Killing bad! FUCKING GOOD! Naked Women Good!
Of course the whole Walmart/Best Buy/etc we won't carry it is the best advertising they could have had. How many people here would never even have heard of the game if not for this arcticle? And how many people will now go out and buy this game that would never have done so otherwise?
In light of all of this, does anyone want to bet that this idiot(s) in the DC area, when they get caught, will try and blame the whole thing on playing GTA 3 or something similar?
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Now some guys in suits play the "we da bad boyz" card with a well-orchestrated PR blitz, stupid Walmart plays right into their hands, and all the usual comments are made.
Scott Adams, call your office!
...about how "In America, kids watching sex on TV == bad but kids watching violence is OK" really need to learn something about American kids.
We'd rather have them kill each other than reproduce. It's all part of a master plan.
"Kill your family, kill the band, then kill yourself. Please make sure you get your WHOLE HEAD in front of the shotgun."
That's funny... A short time ago you were almost sure...
I was refering to Movies (and I suppose games as well), not general products.
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Its not unusual for people who legally buy a gun for self defense purposes take lessons on how to use it. I bet your average dumbass criminal is not gonna make the extra effort.
Furthermore, if guns were not freely available, then I'd say its more likely that a criminal would have a gun than a law abiding, sedentary female.
Wow, after seeing that trailer, I was cracking up so much I think I woke other people in the house. Jeez, my rebelious side is riled up, and I just want that game now. That is too much fun. Maybe when I feel more moral and inline in the middle of the day I will regret saying this, but damn, I want that movie now.
It just made me think during watching it. Its human nature to enjoy sex and sensational themes, yet our religious and "civilized" side just wants us to fit in some pure ideal. But the most fun is where we are right now. We are not in sheer puritan minded times, but we havent degraded to utter pathetically primitive attitudes. Were in the balance right now where we can enjoy the advantages of both ends. We arent at either extreme. So enjoy!
Or maybe Im wrong.....
Saying you don't know of any studies that indicate a negative impact, is far different than knowing of a study that indicates that there is NO negative impact.
Hell, I don't know that nutrinos exist, but not knowing of proof that they do, does not mean the opposite is true.
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Ya know that US stereotype of a cowboy - the guy who carries at least one gun on him at all times, but doesn't even take his clothes off to bathe?
That's us.
We still think violence is an excellent way to solve problems, and are largely inured to it - hence the reason why we're one of the last countries in the world to allow captial punishment for mentally retarded individuals.
Besides, violence raises few anxieties in people that affect them directly. Sex, on the other hand, raises all sorts of issues that Americans never deal with - like our own lack of comfort with our bodies. I still think one of the biggest reasons why there is basically no full-frontal male nudity in movies as opposed to female full-frontal nudity, which is quite common, is related to size issues. I wouldn't be surprised if there are guys out there who have refused to se The Pillow Book because they know they'd have to see Ewan McGregor's big dick.
Of course, I can't really say this is all that much different from other cultures, since I have never lived anywhere but the USA. Let's hope I'm providing some insight, though - I'd be depressed if this is the way it is around the world.
Guys who look at pornography as children are LESS likely to commit sex crimes. MUCH less likely.
If I remember right, about half of rapists are white men from middle class conservative Christian backgrounds who weren't exposed to sex much as children.
yeah but I provided the violence studies, its your job to proove me wrong in the light nudity
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Correction noted - just in case anyone gets picky, yes I do know it is a game. Stating movie was an accident.
Someone would think they're good to go on a murdering spree?
Look no further than the dreck media.
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he got sucked in by that vulgar computer game, and next thing we know he's running around his school like a madman.. flashing everyone!
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Really who the hell cares if walmart will sell something walmart sucks...They just have to get over it roll back to reality. There is this new thing called a mall they sell lots of shit
Furthermore, if guns were not freely available, then I'd say its more likely that a criminal would have a gun than a law abiding, sedentary female.
Here in Japan, guns are illegal. And yet the number of people (outside of gang members) who get shot a year is on the order of 20-25. In the whole country.
Hmm.
John Ashcroft lost an election to a dead guy, should speak volumes about his worth as a leader. I think they shoulda made the dead guy the Attorney General...
You're using her as bait, Master!
Acclaim has amended their previous announcement, stating that because of all the free publicity they got from the furor over their game, they were able to market it enough for it to sell well. Plans for a sequel are to be announced shortly.
May we never see th
Maybe teenaged themed. I don't think many people over the age of 16 seriously consider a life of crime as a real career. Unless you count my one friend whose sole ambition in life is to work at a job where he can take money from the til everyday. He dropped out of high school for a reason.
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Retailers are selling games like RTCW, Doom III (when it's out), UT(2003) and a lot of other games that show a lot of violence and the Army is giving away a "how to kill"-manual game. But when it comes to nudity ppl get scared. This is so stupid. Anyway, I'll get the game UNCENSORED..... but nothing beats a good Manual or 180..... in REAL life. Peace, 4130BMX_LoCal
When you buy an R-rated movie at Wal-Mart, at checkout, a thing pops up to remind the cashier to ask you for ID. So yes, Walmart does sell those movies, but no, they don't sell them to under-17 people. And I challenge you to find movies with full frontal nudity on Walmart's shelves.
Not only full frontal nudity, but full frontal male nudity. I bought Wildthings at Wal~Mart for $9.99. Executive producer Kevin Bacon decided he wanted everyone to see his bits and pieces close to the end of the movie.
I kind of wish the whole Victorian sexual hang-up would finish melting away.
I'd much prefer a world where if the kid runs across some hard core porn, his parents can explain it reasonably and truthfully to him. Why the massive effort and billions of dollars and uncomfortable social situations all blown on trying to keep kids outside of a mass conspiracy?
There are a few ways, like nudity taboos, in which I'd say that we've actually regressed in pragmatism over the past few thousand years. Even more inexplicable is the covering of the female breasts...where's the point? There are plenty of scieties that managed just fine without covering the breast -- Sumerians, tons of African tribes, peoples around New Zealand.
The only reasonable arguments I can think of against the open discussion of sex and unrestricted nudity are that
A) It affords society a greater degree of contrast in body language in expressing desire to have sex.
B) Potentially reduces sexual promiscuity, which might help reduce STDs. Not sure about this one way or the other.
C) (Probably the biggie) Parents feel that they can keep kids from having sex by keeping them in the dark about it.
D) Possibly advantageous to our (in historical terms) very old populace. There's more a clothed person can do to appear young and sexually appealing than an entirely nude person can do. Just a guess.
I'd like a child to be able to read "adult" content and be able to deal with it just as responsibly as they're generally allowed to do with, say, comic books, or novels.
If you really have a burning desire to try to shape a child's psyche, I strongly feel that you're better off with positive encouragement ("wow, those are some really nice photographs you've taken...can I look through them?" or "Next chess game, I'll teach you another opening that I like to use sometimes") than by trying to restrict information from them.
Just my two cents.
May we never see th
Sex is something that a lot of people think deserves a lot of respect. Why do they think that? One reason might be that sex leads to children, sometimes whether you like it or not, and bringing children into this world is about as serious as a life decision as there is. Life is hard enough; the conditions for kids ought to be as right as you know how to make it. That part is pretty reasonable, in my opinion.
So an attempt is made to bestow a great deal of respect and importance on sex. So it becomes sort of like money - it's gauche to talk about it. Part of making a big deal of it is not treating it as an everyday subject, because that cheapens it and deadens people to the respect it deserves.
The only problem with that is it doesn't seem to work very well. Mystifying it has the forbidden fruit effect, etc. You know the drill.
Anyway, I think that's in large part why sex tends to be hush-hush in our culture.
Flat5
Yup, no US presidents are. That's the price we pay for the electoral college.
(1) the populace in the US is not armed to the teeth.
(2) Nudity is immoral. But why do you feel owning a gun is?
Actually, I believe many europeans would invert that last statement. Just a cultural difference.
"Teachers leave us kids alone
hahaha
You think you are not under a oppressive government! THe US may have many liberial laws but the powers of law enforcement agencies have been increasing. Police in the US have much greater powers for random search than european ones. I also fear the powerful military in the US which has the potential to dominate US politics and run their own agenda. The US should also be careful of building excessive military as beyond a certain point it will bring down the nation
XXX is in the damn title!
Kind of like that crappy Vin Diesel movie which, afaik, was not about hardcore sex but about selling Mr. Fast and Furious to anyone stupid enough to pay $8 to see him in another movie?
Come on. 'XXX' in a title or phrase doesn't prove it's intended to be all about hardcore sex.
"question = (to) ? be : !be;" --Shakespeare
heh heh ooooh riiight. /end shameless family guy quotes.
And you really think that, with guns being available evrywhere, those criminals wouldn't have guns themselves?
And what's up with that first sentence? You think that 'the general populace', even armed with whatever assault cannon available, will be able to stand even for a second against an armed and trained military? If you're up against a hugely overwhelming force, you picked the wrong fight. Or at least picked the wrong place/method.
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
...after all this complaing, I haven't seen one post about the actual gameplay of the game. Lotsa 'I will/won't buy this', but maybe the game play of this game is the bees knees. In which case, I'm getting it, nekkid poodles and whores aside.
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
...to regain their reputation as a company pushing the envelope in video game vulgarity. Remember how big of a hit Mortal Kombat was when it first came out? Pure shock value. Acclaim made a killing off it, as well as MK2, and even made a movie out of it the video game.
Since then we've had countless other fighting games, some of which were purely copycat games, others which introduced new technology such as 3D arenas, which Acclaim hasn't really been keeping up with. Now that gore fest fighting games are no longer so offensive, perhaps even tame compared to gore fest shooters like Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament, they decide to make money off the next most provocative cultural taboo--Sex.
What's next? A game about wife beaters? Kids who set fire to animals? No, I'm not some paranoid Rosie 'O Donnel wannabe, and I'm glad id won their lawsuit against those neglegent deadbeat Columbine parents, but there is a point when it just becomes painfully obvious that some in the entertainment business are out to take advantage of stupid kids with too much money by offering them the forbidden fruit in a medium their parents are likely very ill-informed about.
I've actually thought of some UT Porn mod allready.
:-) ), the Bio Rifle a massage oil gun (you don't die, you slip), the Flak would shoot bunches of condoms. Armor would be special sets of lingerie and when losing hits one wouldn't yell and bleed but moan and gasp and spill, well, y'know, other body fluids. Characters with quad damage would have enlargend boobs or dicks (or both? LOL). And so on...
Those Girls (and probably a guy or 2) in UT are half undedressed sex symbols anyway - it would only be consequent.
You don't die and respawn, you go off and respawn.
The Redeemer would be an "osgasm bomb", the RL shoots dildos (bad news if you've got a male character
It shouldn't be that difficult to programm and skin and it shure would be cool and a great laugh.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Nudity is immoral
You, sir, must be a troll.
If you are not, then I truly, deeply feel sorry for you.
Why the FUCK is nudity rated worse than violence, can someone PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT!?
trenchcoats to complete the image?
Prostitutes and pimps and main characters, oh my!
Prostitutes and pimps and main characters, oh my!
Chuck Norris: Socialism == a thousand years of darkness.
Here's a chapter from an upcoming book by my current economics professor:
More Sex is Safer Sex
Why do I get the feeling you don't have kids?
I know many parents (my wife and I included) who work very hard at raising their children responsibly. Many of them forego income so that a parent can remain home with the children and many of those home-school because of deficiencies in our local public schools.
Trouble is, no matter how responsible you try to be, each of us is only human. Each of us gets tired, has off-days, etc. Even at our best, we have only two eyes, two ears, etc.
In the (not so) old days, people watched out for their neighbors' children, not just their own. That doesn't happen so much any more, at a time when parenting is harder than ever.
I greatly appreciate that Wal-Mart makes the job just a little bit easier.
No, no, no. Sex is the most highly valued thing in all Christian religions. The family (that is, mommy and daddy having sex and creating little junior) is the base of most right-wing churches, and most of the left wing ones too.
The whole marriage thing is a social contract for the male to support its offspring, as it has an innate desire not to.
"it wouldn't matter if hard-core pornography was shelved next to Barney cartoons"
;-)
Have you ever visited Denmark
Seems some suckers really think you will introduce them to your sister because you got a +1 Informative. If anything, your post is Redundant (I hate that moderation, it shouldn't exist, nor should Underrated and Overrated).
Hope your sister is at least a bit cute for these screwed-up-moderators.
I'm American and I moved to Germany five years ago. It's difficult perhaps for an American to imagine, but lotsa of nudity actually becomes a major turn-off, which usually has the added result of "tame" pornography and nudity not being such a big deal. Here, as in England, daily newspapers (also bought by women!) carry a naked women on the cover page every day (www.bild.de), and nudity can be seen everywhere. This is mostly because I get the impression that Germans are very comfortable with their bodies and nudity. Just look in the sauna here to see all the naked sweating bodies - it's not very erotic though.
Nevertheless, the effects of banalizing pornography (which I wouldn't label BMX XXX as being, so perhaps this is off-topic) seems to be coming to light, and the results can be disturbing, especially since, pornography, in order to sell more, has had to concentrate on more extreme aspects (fisting, rape, gangbangs, etc.)...which eventually, due to their wide availability, become "accepted".
Adolescents have access to this material, whatever the laws and legal ages (in any country, for that matter) and, consciously or unconsciously, use this material as sex education. It's easy to imagine how vicious teen sex could become if the majority of young boys think that ALL girls have a rape fantasy and take a "no" for a sign of excitation.
Then there are people who kill for "sport"... I just can't understand that, seems pretty sick to me.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
How many billions of dollars in sales does Wal-Mart do each year? If you honestly think they are staying up late at night because of the missed revenue for a single video game title, you are sadly mistaken.
And frankly, there are larger marketing issues here which I'm sure you can't appreciate. Wal-Mart has spent a lot of money to cultivate a family-friendly image. A BMX game that overtly promotes sexuality would cost more to repair the PR damage than the revenue it would generate.
"Best Buy has stated it will sell a censored version of the game"
Now there's something just wrong with this. If I were making a game and I had spent months tuning it and making it just right, and some bigass retail chain comes along and tells me I have to change it, I'd stab that idiot rep with a stick of RAM! Acclaim is making the game, they've been making them for well over a decade, they know what they're doing. Sure, Best Buy has a lot of buying power, and they might think they have a word in this, but really it's not their product and its none of their business. If they don't want to sell sex and violence, then they can pull out just about every damn DVD from their shelves and stick with mind-numbing Disney titles. But to tell the GAME DEVELOPERS which way to develop THEIR game ? That's downright preposterous.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Rosie O'Donnell
Ackkkk! Definitely one game that would be hard to finish. Wouldn't want to brag about winning, or losing.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Whether Wallyworld and ToysArentUs sell this game or not, it will probably be a big seller anyway. Anything that generates large amounts of controversy usually sells pretty well. Look at 2 Live Crew and that album that was banned everywhere and had music stores demanding ID upon purchase. That thing sold how many million copies?
I think most of the so-called media are missing the point with this game anyway. It was, at one time, called "Dave Mirra's BMX XXX" until Mirra decided not to lend his name. That tells me there is a solid game behind all the lowbrow humor in there. They hired comedy writers to write the dialogue...all the humor is basically Howard Stern type humor. Howard's demographic is the one that will be buying this game anyway...the funny stuff will be lost on the kiddies.
I've seen several mentions of the nudity involved and how that in Europe it isn't a big deal. They are right..the bare body in America is seen as something terrible and horrifying but yet other things are given a pass. I think everyone needs to lighten up on games anyway. If parents would boot some ass when the kid gets out of line, they wouldn't have to worry about Susie whacking her classmates.
No screenshots???
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds !"
Thank you for saying what I was going to say so I don't have to say it.
:-).
... So... the town was on fire, icey, and dry... it wasn't flooded? Huh?
BTW. They say "could care less"
Now, how about "The [noun] was all but [verb]." ? As in: "The town was all but flooded."
Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
Screenshot
Yeah, and you are all free. Living in your box homes, with outrageous inflation, unemployment, and the most expensive living conditions on the planet.
Maybe if you people had guns you could actually rebel against the unbelieveably corrupt government that rules Japan.
Maybe the Inu minorities in the north could actually have their native lands back against increasing encroachment from the south.
Maybe the japanese people will actually be able to afford as much sushi as we get in the USA.
Japan is a gigantic prison, with a system of government and society that turns its people into slaves. Of COURSE they don't want guns. How will they make a nice Nissan for the Americans if they can do whatever they want?
I don't read or respond to AC posts
walmart censors the music and movies it carries, and will not carry a movie with nudity, so why is it shocking that it wont carry this game?
On one show, Adam Carolla stated that if he had a kid, he'd let him see his penis exactly once, so the kid would grow up thinking his dad has the biggest penis in the world.
At least mafia-owned pizzarias make excellent pizza. Compare to Bill Gates.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember having read that in Japan there's a police cabin every two or three streets.
> Here in Japan, guns are illegal.
However, in the UK where guns are also illegal homicide rates remain steady while in the US homicide rates are actually on the decline.
Speaking of the UK, there was case involving a man who used a shotgun and killed a burglar who broke into his house while he was sleeping. The man is now serving a life sentence for first degree murder.
> Hmm.
Hmm, indeed.
From Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" website:
.22 caliber handgun in the store, then chased Marsha through the aisles and shot her before killing himself. Marsha survived, but suffers from severe brain damage.
.38 caliber bullets. He then returned to the school, went to Locke's office and, shortly after noon, shot Locke three times, killing him instantly. Kelly then turned the gun on himself.
On August 27, 1999 Bryan Midgette was arrested for abusing his wife, Marsha. Despite a restraining order, Bryan tracked Marsha down three days later at the Wal-Mart in Pottstown, Pennsylvania where she worked. He purchased bullets for his
For ten years, James Easton Kelly had studied towards a graduate degree in English at the University of Arkansas. Then, his professor, John R. Locke, informed him that due to his lack of progress towards his doctorate, the school was dismissing him. At 11:27 AM on Monday, August 28th, 2000 Kelly went to a Wal-Mart 10 miles from the Fayetteville campus and purchased 50 rounds of
On May 22, 2001 Laura Gassaway entered a Wal-Mart in Rockford, Illinois, went to the sporting goods section and tried to purchase bullets for her handgun. After the clerk refused to sell to her because she did not have a state firearm owners identification card, Gassaway began shoplifting other items before store security stopped her. The security officers called the police and then took Gassaway to the back of the store. There, she pulled a handgun from her purse and shot three security guards before police burst in and killed her.
During an argument with his estranged wife on July 31, 2001, John VanGraafeiland threatened to go to Wal-Mart, buy bullets and kill himself. Police contacted the two local Wal-Mart's in Wilmington, North Carolina, warning them not to sell bullets to the man, but no one told the clerk selling the ammunition. After purchasing the bullets, VanGraafeiland went to his car and killed himself. Wal-Mart eventually settled a lawsuit brought by his family, paying them $130,000 for their negligence.
THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON!
A Wal-Mart spokesman stated "We're not going to carry any software with any vulgarity or nudity -- we're just not going to do it."
From AP: Wal-Mart, the nation's largest retailer, is refusing to carry Sheryl Crow's upcoming album, because one song says the chain sells guns to kids.
In both cases Wal Mart seems to be simply protecting its most profitable sales: GUNS. We all know video games and good music detract from gun sales. And certainly, kids would want to buy a video game with naked chicks over a new rifle.
And can we blame Wal Mart? After Congressman Pat Kennedy "motivated" Wal Mart to move Guns away from the toy department in 2001 (effectively destroying the under 18 sales market) and with cigarette sales at an all-time low, Wal Mart must protect its last REAL AMERICAN profitable sales area: GUNS.
So Wal-Mart will glady sell me a pump shotgun, ammo, and a bandoleer strap, everything needed for a killing spree, but they won't sell me a video game with titties in it?
Christian America has some very, very fucked up priorities.
Full clothes on: triangle, square, circle, x,x,x start, select, up, down , left , right , start
I write code.
Acclaim has always done business by taking a popular license or provocative concept and then releasing a shitty game built around it.
I'd refuse to sell such a lame game too if I were Wal-Mart.
surely if that's WM's stance, i.e., 'we don't sell nudity and vulgarity' then, indeed, they should remove all of their R-rated titles in which there is some skin. At least there's no question what 'nudity' is. When you consider other, variably-defined terms such as 'vulgarity,' you enter a very gray area. One person's vulgarity is another's cup of tea. Let the public make their own choices.
. o O ( Just wait till they find the 'Clippy gets a BJ' easter egg in Office XP )
- undoware.ca
No problem. You point to the sign that says you don't sell NC17 or whatever games to anyone under 18. Just like they have posted signs about cigarettes and alcohol.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
You know I find it truely amazing this country of ours... United States of america. We have parents, people and stores always trying to make them selves the good guys. Reguardless of what the game is because personally I cold care less, Let me just ask one simple question, What kind of world do we live in when parents buy games, rent/buy movies, buy toys that show, have, or its sole purpose is to blow a whole in someone's chest and would rather not warrent thier kids to see someone's chest? Because walmart, toysRus and Kaybee all are "family stores", where the "family" (Which is another subject I will not get into with the divorce rate, single parents, etc..), can come in and feel like a second home. This is supposidly what the parents want and the sheltered people in our society crave fro thier children. Store owners and CEO's of the big three are not stupid and also realize that by saying they will not carry it will make those "sheltering parents" will bring those patrons into the store. They also realize that the people who so disire the game will go someoplace else and not even think twice about running inot one of those stores later on. Now, in a world today that is so dam politically correct its annoying and where most, not all, can not even except responsibilitiy for thier own actions, we are getting a little ridiculous. I mean, for heaven sake, peopel now sueing fast food resturaunts for getting fat eating thier food. Well no kidding really, first of all they did not shove that food down your throat and second, you have to be a complete idiot to not be aware that they use the cheapest stuff and cook it in grease! (everything is good in moderations) Now, viloence is condoned but having sex is not! Are we a war mongling species or what, folks. First of all, I think the naked body is one of the most beautiful things in the world. There is millions of years of evolution at work here. Your body is the best tool you will ever own. Name something else that can accomplish the same tasks. The answer is Nothing! Sex is also a beautiful thing. Now I am not religious and yes I have had more partners than some porn stars, however I take the necessary percautions. My parents left those "forbidden" magizines, all around the house along with allowing me to help myself with the liquor cabinet. Now witht hat in mind and for you small minded fools who think I turned out wrong, I got nothing but great marks in school and in college, and yes I did finish college unlike the majority of our kids today. I graduated with a computer science degree, I am in shape, excersise daily, and make 6 figures a year. I think I turned out okay and my parents also think the same. Now what does my long drawn out story have to do ith the tea in china. Its this simple, if you do not like, do not buy it, do not picket your ass in the font fo the store saying you will not buy the item. who cares, all the labels on the package are indicated for you so that will tell you if you believe it is appropriate. When I went to college, I meet this kid who was in my suite that was 20 years old. He could not do aything without mommy or daddy. He did not know what was going on the world, how the world operated or anything.. Basicaly he could not function outside his microcasim and his parents sheltered him. Wehn we took him to the grocery store one day he started to cry almost becaue we all split up and went shopping for our own stuff and agreed to meet back in 15 minutes. He did not even know how to do that. Now is that the type of kids you want to raise. people who can not think! Bottom line is big business dicates what the consumer does, so GROW UP! Prove to them you can care less what you carry. Now I am also not saying that chuckie cheese should have a porno mag rack either! I am just saying be real, who cares what the content of the game is, walmart elcetronics is in the buisiness of supplying software to people, supply it, you donot like it, donot buy the dam things for your kids. Its not like they are gonna paste nudy pictures all over it! Jyust what kind of place do we live in where violence is better than nudity. The day, walmart takes thier guns out of thier sporting goods section, and toysRus, kay be and walmart again, remove thier toy squirt guns and cap guns out of toys is the day I truely belive they do something for thier beliefs rather than thier wallets and make the small minded american public think they are a good company. Now mind you I am not calling everyone small minded, just the idiots that are and can not connect the dots.
It was not my intention to suggest that atheists are immoral. I'm sorry that what I wrote sounded like that to you. What I meant to communicate is largely in agreement with what you wrote above - that absent the existence of an objective standard it comes down to the individual's conscience.
However, when you make that statement, you do two things:
1) You are stating a moral absolute. (That no absolute exists.)
2) You are saying that your opinion has more or less merit than someone else's. This too, requires a moral judgment dependent on some sort of moral standard.
The DC sniper, and Al Queda terrorists are probably acting within the guidelines of their conscience - as do I, and as you suggest above - as do you.
The fact that we claim to have a standard does not address the validity of that standard. I'm pretty sure that the DC sniper and Al Queda are in violation of what your conscience and mine would agree is reprehensible. The question to answer is why would you and I agree?
WRT the existence of God:
When one asserts that there is no God, by the nature of that statement (assertion of a logical negative) one must in one instant have all knowledge of all that exists.
Otherwise would it not be possible for the thing that is asserted not to exist - simply exist in a portion of the universe about which the person making the assertion is not knowledgeable?
In short - to authoritatively assert that no god exists requires that one posess attributes that only god could have. I belive that this refutes the premise.
This leaves us with the concept that God may or may not exist, and we need to determine whether we belive that He does or does not. This depends on evidence and our interpretation of it.
WRT the provability of the existence of God - I'm curious...what evidence would be sufficient to convince you?
Respectfully,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
Folks, this article is satirical, is'n it ? It just has to. I mean, I know good satire when I see it, and this one just so fucking good, it's hilarious.
Actually it would be a total waste this not to be satirical.
Now, someone please tell me....
just an FYI: FF8 - There's alot of foul mouthed characters in that. FF10 - Half the female characters are in thongs. And Shiva has never had a full outfit in any version.
Yeah, I have a webcomic...
although the news media covering the sniper attacks in the DC/Metro area love showing AR-15s and other "assualt" rifle-looking weapons which fire .223 calibur bullets....
.223 and it looks like a regular rifle; it features bolt action and you can buy one just like it at Wally World. in rural TX you see many pick-ups with these hanging in their windows.
i deer hunt and i use a
just b/c you can use a weapon for gathering food, doesn't excluded the fact that you can use a weapon for harm. Wally World sells weapons. end of discussion.
it's not the gun, it's the person.
/* Half alive and half dead too, work is for suckers and the sucker is you. - "Half-life" by Local H*/
I have heard about this survey from sources that I consider to be reliable, and had not done a comprehensive search for the raw data. At this point the best information I can find about the research is in the endnotes in this article:a rriage/HTM LRpt/marr01.htm
http://www.palmettofamily.org/Reports/M
1 Robert T. Michael, et. al., Sex in America: A Definitive Survey (Boston: Little, Brown, and Company, 1994), p. 1, 131.
2 Edward O. Laumann, et. al., The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994), p. 364, table 10.5.
I'm fairly certain that the local library can get the raw data on which the article was based.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
There's nothing a a game can teach me that a movie or a book or walking around on the street hasn't taught me already.
Personally, I've wanted games to become a little more adult oriented for a while. I'm an adult, sure I enjoy a game when it's fun to play. It's just that sometimes you're in the mood for something a little more... and there really isn't anything.
I don't know that I'll ever play this game, not really my type of game or anything, it's just that I think that this sort of thing doesn't really hurt anybody.
Honestly, anybody who thinks that their mind was warped by a game hes let themselves be warped by that game.
I see worse *crap* on the TV.
Yes yes, I know I'm an Anonymous Coward, heh... never got around to registering ^_^
Anyways, personally I would really like to see more variety out there in the game world, I'm sick and tired of the type of game where you run around killing things over and over and over... (YGMP)
Of course as we all have our rights, it's alright for Wal-Mart to choose not to sell this game, all the better to'm. I never shop there anyway ^_^
On a side-note, I would like to see that kernel with adult oriented content =D
That's enough from the Anonymous Coward, thanks for readin' my post!
Stores silently refuse to sell items every day.
Lesure Suit Larry never made it to Toys r us, Wards or other department stores with a Computer games department.
It did make it to Eggheads and Fantacy Plaza.
Early erotica games never saw store shelfs and one apple ][ graphics demo was pulled.
The actions were quiet as if mundain everyday choices.
But for this game the retaillers announced it like this was some glorious act of moral outrage.
They can make choices like this all day long. But remember that now you've just told software makers to leave you out of any plans they have.
Microsoft should exclude them from new software release partys. Rebates etc.. any premotional that requires store participation should be not be tried with thies retaillers.
Don't make a public spectical of a personal objection.
Ever... You may find your suppliers objectting to your lack of tact next time you want to restock.
I don't actually exist.
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but . . .
Yeah, and you are all free. Living in your box homes,
Some of us don't need 15-room mansions to live comfortably.
with outrageous inflation,
Of right around zero, at most. (Or have you missed all the news on how Japan is teetering on the brink of deflation?)
unemployment,
5.4% in August. By comparison, the US was at 5.7% in the same period.
Maybe if you people had guns you could actually rebel against the unbelieveably corrupt government that rules Japan.
Pot, kettle . . .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember having read that in Japan there's a police cabin every two or three streets.
There are police boxes, yes, but even in the densest parts of Tokyo there are no more than one or two per kilometer. They're mostly located adjacent to train stations, and they serve as much as street guides ("where's the nearest ramen shop?") as anything else. I certainly don't feel oppressed by them; if anything, it's good to know that in an emergency the police can arrive quickly from the police box, rather than having to come all the way from the station which may be on the other side of town. (Plus, there's recently been a spate of police impropriety, and people are watching the police pretty closely.)
I think that you're missing out on an incredibly rich component of relationship by having sex merley for the purpose of conquest or release.
It's like seeing a hot fudge sundae, having your mouth water, and not ever tasting the dessert, yet pretending that you're enjoying that as much as you would if you ate it.
Sure, sex w/o an emotional connection feels good, but fulfilling? You must either be joking or in denial because you're not willing to pay what it costs to have a genunine relationship.
Respectfully,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
Walmart has been censoring a lot of things before this even came out. Look at all the CDs and music that they restrict. I bought a CD once at Walmart and let me tell you, it wasn't the same. Brought it right back and that's how I found out. So this game is just along their lines. Let's just all boycott Walmart and shop at Meijer or something similiar.
WRT the provability of the existence of God - I'm curious...what evidence would be sufficient to convince you?
How about consistent, reproducible, scientific evidence?
Oh, wait, in order to meet scientific standards, you must have a falsifiable hypothesis. Unfortunately the definition of God prevents testing of the falsifiable hypothesis "There is a God."
I choose to err on the side of simplicity, with an infinite and random universe that is large enough for extremely unlikely events (such as life and evolution) to occur. There's no need for a higher power to explain anything, just a sufficiently large universe.
"C"
To be fair, you also have a completely different social climate, with extremely different ideas of what is expected of someone, and with completely different reactions as to what to do when something 'wrong' happens to you.
OK it's Walmarts fault this guy killed himself how? Excuse me if I don't feel bad about this. The judge who would Walmart negligent shoul dhave lost his job in the next election. Also, just becaus eyou had these two "incidents" happen does not mean it's a common everyday thing and does not mean Walmart is bad for selling firearms or ammunition. No matter how you restrict guns, those who want to obtain them for illegal purposes WILL obtain them. When guns are made illegal, then only criminals will have them. The guy who shot his instructor had something WRONG with him. I am sick and tired of the government trying to protect me from myself. The only thing the government needs to protect me from is enemys of the state like Iraq, Osama bin Laden and possibly North Korea. TH\he reason this "gun" thing is being percieved as a problem because every liberal news organization latches on to every little thing and blows it WAYYYY out of proportion. What's really amazing is that when Columbine happened, school violence and incidents of the Columbine nature was going DOWN! What's even more amazing is that Klebold and the other kid's parents never spotted the guns, and other items in their son's room. Everyone is into giving their kids "privacy". Well, unless your 18 and out of your parents house you have NO privcay and your parents are responsible for not only your behavior, but all of their guests. They should have seen their rooms. PLain and simple. Then they would have gotten the help they should have and Columbine may never had happened. Bowling for Columbine is an intersting movie and I may check it out.
Gorkman
To converse at the distance of the Indes by means of sympathetic contrivances
may be as natural to future times as to us is a literary correspondence.
-- Joseph Glanvill, 1661
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