I agree with a lot of what you have to say. People often do push Linux and FreeBSD too far apart.
However, I believe that the argument for FreeBSD's stability and security is how it is coded and maintained. FreeBSD's kernel is written by a core team of developers (and membership to that core is very exclusive), where as Linus still has the final say on what goes into the linux kernel.
It takes a lot more to get a patch/feature into the FreeBSD kernel than it does to get it into the linux kernel. Naturally this makes the FreeBSD's kernel more tightly coded (and therefore more stable).
FreeBSD is also a distributed in one standard form, where as there are X number of linux distributions (74 according to linuxlinks.com). Securing and testing one standard group of software packages is a lot easier than investigating every single piece of software packaged with any linux distribution.
I still think that the only valid argument for FreeBSD's stability is it's kernel, because FreeBSD and Linux aren't that different other than that. ...
I tried unsuccessfully for many hours to get Linux to recognize my NE2000 compatible PCI card
Funny, 4 different linux distributions have recognized my NE2000 PCI card with their default installers.
while the whole OS seems more responsive overall
Care to elaborate?
I did not get the junk Linux gives me in my directories.
You're assuming that Red Hat is Linux. Including all the packages which RedHat installs.
I admin both Linux and FreeBSD boxes, and they're both very nice operating systems. It's people like you who give FreeBSD negative look. Why not *ask* people for help before spitting flames at linux?
FreeBSD is great, but with people like this advocating it.. No wonder it gets bad PR. ...
that the FreeBSD team was smart for registering FreeBSD.com/net/org. None of this dropping $1 million for linux.com. And now linux.org is up in the air.
But seriously, FreeBSD is a very smart OS. When something goes wrong in FreeBSD.. you can be sure that it's your fault. I can't always say that with linux.
You're not looking at the bigger picture. Every day people throw millions of soda cans in the trash. The amount of energy that it takes to extract enough alluminum for a soda can from bauxite can power a TV set for 3 weeks straight. And most of that alluminum is going straight into land fills.
At least this the materials/money wasted on Mir went to a good cause.
Mir was in operation for 13 years.. It was only intended to be used for 5. ...
porting an operating system to a different platform takes a little more then plugging a zip drive into it. besides, the n64 isn't hardly as powerful as the dreamcast. ...
If I'm too stupid/lazy to get my hardware (which someone paid > $2000 ten years ago), I'll just throw it in a landfill.. Then brag about it!#
God forbit I actually donate it to someone who will put use to it. No, I'm too cool for that. I'll throw it in a landfill and let the environment deal with it. Or people 50 years from now will deal with my ignorance and have to dig it up for scrap parts (you've obviously never heard about what happens in Indian Landfills).
So, now I'm gonna go buy a new P3 600mhz with the money my daddy gave me.
Excuse me while I go throw away some more *old* computers. ...
Fact is Novell, NT, and HP are all commercial-ware. Maybe when 1 of those servers goes down, your company wants to be able to call HP and get someone in to fix it within 4 hours.
Face it, while you laugh at linux.. It laughs back at the money you're shelling our for those commercial servers.
first of all, MS didn't "steal" the server client/server from Apple. windows nt workstation (client) and nt server (server) have been around for a while.
and to top off the ignorance you attack apple with un-based homophobic remarks.
> This thing might make it if they kick in a DVD player, and digital TV tuner. This is a 486..486s can't handle high quality video, they can barely handle X. If you read the article youd see that the iToaster is for web browsing and word processing, not a DVD player/TV.
Why not read about the article and look at the purpose of the iToaster, instead of shooting your mouth off. No-one cares about what you think you could do with a 486.
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If you would have selected "ports" in the freebsd install you would have got bash (the superior shell).
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I agree with a lot of what you have to say. People often do push Linux and FreeBSD too far apart.
However, I believe that the argument for FreeBSD's stability and security is how it is coded and maintained. FreeBSD's kernel is written by a core team of developers (and membership to that core is very exclusive), where as Linus still has the final say on what goes into the linux kernel.
It takes a lot more to get a patch/feature into the FreeBSD kernel than it does to get it into the linux kernel. Naturally this makes the FreeBSD's kernel more tightly coded (and therefore more stable).
FreeBSD is also a distributed in one standard form, where as there are X number of linux distributions (74 according to linuxlinks.com). Securing and testing one standard group of software packages is a lot easier than investigating every single piece of software packaged with any linux distribution.
I still think that the only valid argument for FreeBSD's stability is it's kernel, because FreeBSD and Linux aren't that different other than that.
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Funny, 4 different linux distributions have recognized my NE2000 PCI card with their default installers.
while the whole OS seems more responsive overall
Care to elaborate?
I did not get the junk Linux gives me in my directories.
You're assuming that Red Hat is Linux. Including all the packages which RedHat installs.
I admin both Linux and FreeBSD boxes, and they're both very nice operating systems. It's people like you who give FreeBSD negative look. Why not *ask* people for help before spitting flames at linux?
FreeBSD is great, but with people like this advocating it.. No wonder it gets bad PR.
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But why keep its UPS connected in the car if it's not going to be netwroked/serving?
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that the FreeBSD team was smart for registering FreeBSD.com/net/org. None of this dropping $1 million for linux.com. And now linux.org is up in the air.
But seriously, FreeBSD is a very smart OS. When something goes wrong in FreeBSD.. you can be sure that it's your fault. I can't always say that with linux.
They're both great operating systems.
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toing@deus:~ $ date
Sat Aug 28 07:40:03 PDT 1999
toing@deus:~ $ touch duh
toing@deus:~ $ ls -l duh
-rw-rw-r-- 1 toing toing 0 Aug 28 07:40 duh
care to explain?
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You are.
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You're not looking at the bigger picture. Every day people throw millions of soda cans in the trash. The amount of energy that it takes to extract enough alluminum for a soda can from bauxite can power a TV set for 3 weeks straight. And most of that alluminum is going straight into land fills.
At least this the materials/money wasted on Mir went to a good cause.
Mir was in operation for 13 years.. It was only intended to be used for 5.
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It's coming along *very* nicely.
Beware IE.
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I guess you like coding programs that look butt ugly.
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porting an operating system to a different platform takes a little more then plugging a zip drive into it. besides, the n64 isn't hardly as powerful as the dreamcast.
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how many patches did they have to use to get that sun software working?
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hmm. funny how people always attack raster and mandrake. when i met mandrake at lwce he was a very cool guy.
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I like your way of thinking.
If I'm too stupid/lazy to get my hardware (which someone paid > $2000 ten years ago), I'll just throw it in a landfill.. Then brag about it!#
God forbit I actually donate it to someone who will put use to it. No, I'm too cool for that. I'll throw it in a landfill and let the environment deal with it. Or people 50 years from now will deal with my ignorance and have to dig it up for scrap parts (you've obviously never heard about what happens in Indian Landfills).
So, now I'm gonna go buy a new P3 600mhz with the money my daddy gave me.
Excuse me while I go throw away some more *old* computers.
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as a linux zealot i must flame you for running win95 on that 486.
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hrmm. they use WP 5.1 at my job
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Hmm. 31% of the internet's webservers run linux.
IT world still not taking it seriously?
Fact is Novell, NT, and HP are all commercial-ware. Maybe when 1 of those servers goes down, your company wants to be able to call HP and get someone in to fix it within 4 hours.
Face it, while you laugh at linux.. It laughs back at the money you're shelling our for those commercial servers.
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an IMAX *movie* doesn't count as film?
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someone has WAY too much time on their hands..
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why don't you just..
*gasp*
actually read the article, download the scanner that they used in their survey, and scan all the computers that you're wondering about
not too hard now is it?
btw, it compiled fine for me.
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if i had moderator points..this post would be -1.
first of all, MS didn't "steal" the server client/server from Apple. windows nt workstation (client) and nt server (server) have been around for a while.
and to top off the ignorance you attack apple with un-based homophobic remarks.
geez.
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you forgot that the earth rotates..
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> This thing might make it if they kick in a DVD player, and digital TV tuner.
This is a 486..486s can't handle high quality video, they can barely handle X. If you read the article youd see that the iToaster is for web browsing and word processing, not a DVD player/TV.
Why not read about the article and look at the purpose of the iToaster, instead of shooting your mouth off. No-one cares about what you think you could do with a 486.