To expand on this, it would require withdrawal from the EU due to the requirement of compliance to the European Convention on Human Rights to maintain membership. Were we not to do so, where deportation is impossible (as it would be for now-stateless individuals), automatic indefinite detention leads to breaches of Articles 5 and 14 ECHR, as long-term detention takes place even where deportation is impossible.
Even de facto stateless people who cannot obtain travel documentation to return to their country of origin cannot be deported, the stated aim of immigration detention. As a result, the policy of automatic indefinite detention is discriminatory as it leaves them far more likely to be detained for long periods. Indefinite detention functions in practice as an improvised extension of the criminal justice system, and is experienced by detainees as punitive. [1] The UK Border Agency (UKBA) cannot use detention as a long-term limbo for people considered to be undesirable, and detention without a fair trial breaches Art 6(1) of the ECHR.
Since the ex-UK nationals would still reside within the UK, they would be entitled to launch a civil action for damages combined with an injunction against deportation and a judicial review of the decision to remove their citizenship on the basis of both unfairness and ultra vires use of powers. They would then almost certainly be able to reside within the UK as newly enriched citizens. This is, for the avoidance of confusion, a good thing and the right result.
Although I do have UK qualifications in constitutional law, I am not your constitutional lawyer and this is not legal advice.
"You obviously have little experience having to live in the same neighbourhood as rude and hostile Muslim immigrants. Try it sometime and then get back to me."
I have lived in areas with immigrants (Finsbury Park in London and Radford in Nottingham, for example) and even areas where there were community tensions. I'm just not xenophobic, so I talked to people, engaged them as humans and made friends.
Humans are pretty much humans, and to demonise an entire class of people a) isn't that productive no matter who they are; b) ironically just empowers extremists on both sides; c) means you miss out on getting to know interesting people/eat really good food.
You also miss the point that multiculturalism is one of the greatest benefits of great cities like London. Why would you want to have less variety?
"The British government is going to have to start rounding up the radical clerics and deporting them. Hell, banish them from the United Kingdom altogether. The problem is, they know they'll inflame a lot of anti-British sentiment if they do that. Then they'll have to either start cracking skulls left and right or start en masse rounding up and deporting the Muslims who go to those mosques, deport them and put a marker on them that permanently marks them as a ne'erdoweller who has no business ever setting foot on British soil again."
Yes...yes! Maybe we could make them wear yellow crescents!
"The British National Party is getting support now precisely because the common man in Britain can see what the elites can't: you can't have two nations living inside the same country, especially when one nation is composed of hostile immigrants who won't adapt. The British government has two choices: either solve it now by harshly cutting out any part of the Muslim population that looks even remotely likely it sympathizes with Islamists, or face the prospect that in 20 years as demographics shift, a group like the BNP will stage a coup and take matters into its own hands militarily."
Could we cut them out by some kind of economic sanctions based on religious belief? Maybe just prevent them from owning businesses and stuff. Or deport them! Do you know if this plan has ever been tried before?
http://chameleon.osx86.hu/
The same, but FOSS. Some even suggest the same codebase, but I of course would never be cynical enough to suggest that or that running strings on both if someone had a spare moment might be interesting.
"Well, as I understand it, within the new Medical Care Reform legislation they're trying to pass, there are provisions to let the govt. have full access to your banking accounts (without warrant, etc)."
An interesting mod for that? I can only say hello, FreedomWorks representative.
Confidence yes, money no. I have been to bed with women whilst rich and poor. Just be interesting, intelligent, attractive and reasonably amusing. Avoid being an misogynist and/or asshole. It's not rocket science.
I'm not sure I'd want to go to bed with a girl who went to bed with people because they have money.
Please now consider standardising on this. It's much better technically than Debian's current infrastructure, and will enable much, much easier sharing of patches. Finally the community could be reunified a bit, and PPAs for Stable would also be an important improvement for Debian.
Or twitter proxies, in fact. But you still have to find a way to tell the sender who to send to - any reciever (whether final destination or mere relay) has to advertise themselves to the sender, and thus also to the intelligence services. Also, to get information out of the country any eventual sender must send traffic through the choke point (saving satcomms, but that doesn't scale). And at that point I can DPI for key words.
The problem with most net communication is that it is built with the assumption that the governments that it passes through are fundamentally friendly to the citizenry. Once DPI exists it is perfectly possible to just ban encrypted traffic to anything but a white list of banking sites etc, and then one has created a system where every letter can be read. It can be the perfect police state, and probably will be.
Stenography is probably the only answer to this, but the traffic patterns are still recorded so once the government concerned becomes aware that the receiver is hostile to them they can follow that social network back. It's not just Google who can work out probable friends of yours automatically. The other issue is that once you introduce higher technical barriers, the ability of the public to use the communication falls rapidly. Joe Protester probably can't set up stenography in the first place; most of the Iranian videos were emailed or went up via Youtube.
This is leaving aside how locked down Palladium computers could affect this issues in the future. The West of the internet is no longer very wild.
"Sometimes people just need a reminder that there is no grouping of people with less principles than Lawyers. We made the assumption that, since RIAA lawyers were hired to the DOJ, that they would find in favor of the RIAA. But it seems that lawyers are almost always megaphones for who is signing their paycheck."
Mmm. Or people who are doing their best to protect the interests of their clients? A lawyer must make the best arguments available for their client, but the ruling is not something they can be held responsible for. The system of justice works best when both sides present the strongest form of their argument, allowing the issues to be debated by those in the judicial role (who you can hold responsible for their judgments).
Or would you rather your own counsel failed to advance your best arguments because he personally thought you were guilty?
I LIKE BIG CAPS AND I CANNOT LIE. YOU SLASHDOT BROTHERS TESTIFY WHEN A COMMENT COMES IN WITH A CHUNKY TYPEFACE AND THOSE CAPS ALL IN YOUR FACE YOU GET SPRUNG[1] AND YOU WANNA TROLL REAL TOUGH BUT THAT GNAA BUTT GOT STUFFED THOSE CAPS CAN BE QUITE WEARING BUT I'M HOOKED AND I CAN'T STOP STARING
OH CAPS LOCK, I WANNA GO HOLLA YOU'RE SO COOL LIKE A POPPED COLLA THOSE MODS THEY TRIED TO WARN ME BUT SHOUTING IN CAPS JUST MAKES ME HORNY
I'M TIRED OF STYLE GUIDES TELLING ME TO WRITE SMALL SIZE TAKE THE AVERAGE CRAZY AND TELL HIM THAT HE GONNA PACK MUCH CAPS
SO TROLLS IF YOU WANNA CAUSE A FROWN THEN THROW THAT CAPS LOCK DOWN TYPE WWW.SLASHDOT.ORG AND COPYPASTA THOSE NASTY THOUGHTS JAMES_DUNCAN8181 GOT CAPS.
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"No, I can't say the current US system is the best, but it sure sounds a lot better than most of the other governments out there. With a system like the UK or Israel has the US would tear itself apart in six months."
Umm...the UK is first past the post, just like the USA. You know not of what you speak.
"It's what I do on ebay - offset losses on the sale by earning profit on the Shipping/handling rate."
You are a charlatan and a practitioner of the sharp practice that makes modern eBay suck, sir. Also you appear not to have mastered capitalisation. I suspect these facts are not unrelated.
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To expand on this, it would require withdrawal from the EU due to the requirement of compliance to the European Convention on Human Rights to maintain membership. Were we not to do so, where deportation is impossible (as it would be for now-stateless individuals), automatic indefinite detention leads to breaches of Articles 5 and 14 ECHR, as long-term detention takes place even where deportation is impossible.
Even de facto stateless people who cannot obtain travel documentation to return to their country of origin cannot be deported, the stated aim of immigration detention. As a result, the policy of automatic indefinite detention is discriminatory as it leaves them far more likely to be detained for long periods. Indefinite detention functions in practice as an improvised extension of the criminal justice system, and is experienced by detainees as punitive. [1] The UK Border Agency (UKBA) cannot use detention as a long-term limbo for people considered to be undesirable, and detention without a fair trial breaches Art 6(1) of the ECHR.
Since the ex-UK nationals would still reside within the UK, they would be entitled to launch a civil action for damages combined with an injunction against deportation and a judicial review of the decision to remove their citizenship on the basis of both unfairness and ultra vires use of powers. They would then almost certainly be able to reside within the UK as newly enriched citizens. This is, for the avoidance of confusion, a good thing and the right result.
Although I do have UK qualifications in constitutional law, I am not your constitutional lawyer and this is not legal advice.
[1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200809/jtselect/jtrights/62/62we19.htm
"You obviously have little experience having to live in the same neighbourhood as rude and hostile Muslim immigrants. Try it sometime and then get back to me."
I have lived in areas with immigrants (Finsbury Park in London and Radford in Nottingham, for example) and even areas where there were community tensions. I'm just not xenophobic, so I talked to people, engaged them as humans and made friends.
Humans are pretty much humans, and to demonise an entire class of people
a) isn't that productive no matter who they are;
b) ironically just empowers extremists on both sides;
c) means you miss out on getting to know interesting people/eat really good food.
You also miss the point that multiculturalism is one of the greatest benefits of great cities like London. Why would you want to have less variety?
"The British government is going to have to start rounding up the radical clerics and deporting them. Hell, banish them from the United Kingdom altogether. The problem is, they know they'll inflame a lot of anti-British sentiment if they do that. Then they'll have to either start cracking skulls left and right or start en masse rounding up and deporting the Muslims who go to those mosques, deport them and put a marker on them that permanently marks them as a ne'erdoweller who has no business ever setting foot on British soil again."
Yes...yes! Maybe we could make them wear yellow crescents!
"The British National Party is getting support now precisely because the common man in Britain can see what the elites can't: you can't have two nations living inside the same country, especially when one nation is composed of hostile immigrants who won't adapt. The British government has two choices: either solve it now by harshly cutting out any part of the Muslim population that looks even remotely likely it sympathizes with Islamists, or face the prospect that in 20 years as demographics shift, a group like the BNP will stage a coup and take matters into its own hands militarily."
Could we cut them out by some kind of economic sanctions based on religious belief? Maybe just prevent them from owning businesses and stuff. Or deport them! Do you know if this plan has ever been tried before?
This is no longer true.
The exams here are definitely SRS BIZNS though. 15 hours of exams in the final year make up 100% of my final mark, and they are not marked generously.
Does this mean that they'll be running Linux on the Slim?
"Dude, it could give me a handjob while it loaded my porn for me, but until it runs on a OS not made by MS, I don't care."
This would make me write pretty much any WINE patches required.
http://chameleon.osx86.hu/
The same, but FOSS. Some even suggest the same codebase, but I of course would never be cynical enough to suggest that or that running strings on both if someone had a spare moment might be interesting.
"Well, as I understand it, within the new Medical Care Reform legislation they're trying to pass, there are provisions to let the govt. have full access to your banking accounts (without warrant, etc)."
An interesting mod for that? I can only say hello, FreedomWorks representative.
Confidence yes, money no. I have been to bed with women whilst rich and poor. Just be interesting, intelligent, attractive and reasonably amusing. Avoid being an misogynist and/or asshole. It's not rocket science.
I'm not sure I'd want to go to bed with a girl who went to bed with people because they have money.
what.
It is approved by both the OSI and, obviously, the FSF. Are you trolling?
And as if by magic, it is done.
Please now consider standardising on this. It's much better technically than Debian's current infrastructure, and will enable much, much easier sharing of patches. Finally the community could be reunified a bit, and PPAs for Stable would also be an important improvement for Debian.
Or twitter proxies, in fact. But you still have to find a way to tell the sender who to send to - any reciever (whether final destination or mere relay) has to advertise themselves to the sender, and thus also to the intelligence services. Also, to get information out of the country any eventual sender must send traffic through the choke point (saving satcomms, but that doesn't scale). And at that point I can DPI for key words.
The problem with most net communication is that it is built with the assumption that the governments that it passes through are fundamentally friendly to the citizenry. Once DPI exists it is perfectly possible to just ban encrypted traffic to anything but a white list of banking sites etc, and then one has created a system where every letter can be read. It can be the perfect police state, and probably will be.
Stenography is probably the only answer to this, but the traffic patterns are still recorded so once the government concerned becomes aware that the receiver is hostile to them they can follow that social network back. It's not just Google who can work out probable friends of yours automatically. The other issue is that once you introduce higher technical barriers, the ability of the public to use the communication falls rapidly. Joe Protester probably can't set up stenography in the first place; most of the Iranian videos were emailed or went up via Youtube.
This is leaving aside how locked down Palladium computers could affect this issues in the future. The West of the internet is no longer very wild.
Somehow I'm having a hard time imagining how diabetes is influenced by a big windmill.
<PETER GRIFFIN>
Because it's freaking sweet?
</PETER GRIFFIN>
"Sometimes people just need a reminder that there is no grouping of people with less principles than Lawyers. We made the assumption that, since RIAA lawyers were hired to the DOJ, that they would find in favor of the RIAA. But it seems that lawyers are almost always megaphones for who is signing their paycheck."
Mmm. Or people who are doing their best to protect the interests of their clients? A lawyer must make the best arguments available for their client, but the ruling is not something they can be held responsible for. The system of justice works best when both sides present the strongest form of their argument, allowing the issues to be debated by those in the judicial role (who you can hold responsible for their judgments).
Or would you rather your own counsel failed to advance your best arguments because he personally thought you were guilty?
I have long wondered why more public officials are not assassinated using a pistol mounted in a video camera.
The Taliban did it by filling camera batteries full of explosives for a targeted assassination: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/DI12Ag02.html
It's coming anyway.
I LIKE BIG CAPS AND I CANNOT LIE.
YOU SLASHDOT BROTHERS TESTIFY
WHEN A COMMENT COMES IN
WITH A CHUNKY TYPEFACE
AND THOSE CAPS ALL IN YOUR FACE
YOU GET SPRUNG[1] AND YOU
WANNA TROLL REAL TOUGH
BUT THAT GNAA BUTT GOT STUFFED
THOSE CAPS CAN BE QUITE WEARING
BUT I'M HOOKED AND I CAN'T STOP STARING
OH CAPS LOCK, I WANNA GO HOLLA
YOU'RE SO COOL LIKE A POPPED COLLA
THOSE MODS THEY TRIED TO WARN ME
BUT SHOUTING IN CAPS JUST MAKES ME HORNY
I'M TIRED OF STYLE GUIDES
TELLING ME TO WRITE SMALL SIZE
TAKE THE AVERAGE CRAZY AND TELL HIM THAT
HE GONNA PACK MUCH CAPS
SO TROLLS IF YOU WANNA CAUSE A FROWN
THEN THROW THAT CAPS LOCK DOWN
TYPE WWW.SLASHDOT.ORG
AND COPYPASTA THOSE NASTY THOUGHTS
JAMES_DUNCAN8181 GOT CAPS.
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DAMN YOU, FILTER!!!!
BRING THE AWESOME:
Just remember gold farmers....epeen stroking is entirely ethical unless you pay someone else to do it for you.
"No, I can't say the current US system is the best, but it sure sounds a lot better than most of the other governments out there. With a system like the UK or Israel has the US would tear itself apart in six months."
Umm...the UK is first past the post, just like the USA. You know not of what you speak.
"It's what I do on ebay - offset losses on the sale by earning profit on the Shipping/handling rate."
You are a charlatan and a practitioner of the sharp practice that makes modern eBay suck, sir. Also you appear not to have mastered capitalisation. I suspect these facts are not unrelated.
It means you can go with 'legal settlement made'. No more, no less.
1) No. 2) Also, fuck you.