Speeders and jaywalkers don't generally get arrested unless they act like jerks to the officer, but the laws and ordinances regarding the offense are enforced. There are not enough police/courts in the world to catch/enforce punishment on each and every violation committed of each and every law. That said, when a law is broken and those in authority to enforce the law gain knowledge about the violation, that violation should be acted upon as the law allows. If a court date is necessary, then a jury of the accused's peers should be allowed to determine if the law should be enforced in that instance (U.S.A. rules).
Anyway... People who overstay their visas know - or should know - that they stand the chance of being deported, and should be. Like your parent post said, we need to enforce the laws already on the books - we have immigration laws, let's enforce 'em. We didn't really need any new laws after 9/11 (except maybe allowing CIA/FBI to have better communication with one another), we just needed to enforce those already on the books.
I agree with your point about mutually exclusive laws on the books. Some pretty bright people we've got working for us in our State capitals and Washington, D.C.
I understand what you mean and it makes sense that the entire state is getting representation by the current method of electing a Senator. The kind of representation that I am speaking of is representation of the State's needs - meaining the State of California, Nevada, New York, etc. - the State Government itself needs to have a means of representation. That was what was intended when the Constitution was drafted. I believe it was called "The Great Compromise", where those who wanted a central government were given what they wanted with the House of Representatives, and those who wanted a more distributed form of government got what they wanted with the Senate. Each State, regardless of population, has 2 Senators to represent its needs and desires.
The Senate was not supposed to be the same as the House of Representatives - hence the name difference. The Senate was designated to receive 2 representatives from each State to represent that State's needs and wishes, not the people directly. The State's have a need for representation, too - it prevents too central a government from being allowed. But since the method of electing a Senator was changed in the 30s I guess we just have to live with it.
They may be elected in slightly different manners, but the Senate still doesn't serve its intended purpose ( does any politician? ).
"BTW if you think state politicians don't look at polls you need to put your crack pipe down. The only difference between your state legilator and your senator is that your legilator is cheaper to buy."
My point is, the Senate was originally intended to represent the State's interests, not the people within the state - at least not directly. The way things are now we may as well have just a Congress or just a Senate; they are both elected in the same manner. Both sides only want to *please* their constituents when voting time is near and then go back to catering to their lobby-of-choice when no one's looking. I know that going back to having the States elect the senators wouldn't solve everything, but I believe it'd have the potential to cut down on the all the polling for people's opinions by the Senate. The people would still have a say in the electing of Senators by electing their state legislators. The States need to have their say in the way the Federal Government is run because they are losing many rights to the Feds and we the people need things to be more localized... education, police, etc. Let the Feds help with roads, Social Security, military, etc.
I have about 10 years of experience dealing with ATMs ( I work for a credit union ) and dealing with Diebold in general. When we enter supply mode and end the day's transactions we download the ATM's logs to a floppy disk and then import those transactions into a l'il prog that Diebold gave us. I believe the CD-RW is likely a replacement for the floppy drive and allows the ATM to "journal" its activities over a longer period of time to a very cheap media. Older ATMs "journalled" to a roll of paper usually located inside the machine.
Anyway, it's kind of reasonable to have a CD-RW, but 512MB RAM seems to be a bit of overkill.
It also sucks that IBM discontinued OS/2, because older machines often ran it and rarely went down for OS reasons - speaking from experience and also from asking our Diebold rep about it - I have to get his opinion on these voting machines (if he's allow to comment on them).
That was a funny comment, but do remember that in all the recounts that occurred in Florida AFTER the whole bru-haha, Dubya still came out ahead. He won the electoral vote and lost (very narrowly) the popular vote. The framers of the constitution intended the vote for President to be decided in this manner (hanging chads notwithstanding) to prevent the most-populous areas from completely controlling the vote. In a purely popular vote states like Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Utah, and other low-population states would have very little say in the election of a president. I personally believe the electoral college is the better way. Those who wish for a strictly popular vote do so because they know they (generally liberally-minded folks) can get elected by promising to hand out more doles (or claim their opponent will take away or severely cut their hand-out) to those already dependent upon the gov't for handouts (welfare, social security, etc.) - most of those dependents live in highly populated areas.
Anyway, we should keep it the way it is. We should also go back to allowing the State Legislatures elect members of the Senate instead of the people directly. Too many people in Washington, D.C. depend on polls of the people to determine if they should breathe, go to the bathroom, like vanilla/chocolate ice cream, etc...
There is nothing "cult-ish" about Mormonism. If you believe that we belong to a cult, then so be it. I suggest you read John, chapter 10 and ponder on what it means to be a follower of Christ. You may think that we Mormons act as sheep at times, but there is a very good reason that we do; we follow The Good Shepherd and know his voice.
You are entitled to your opinions... you may post your opinions... I'll probably read your opinions and find them inflammatory, and that's ok.
I have my beliefs and they are based upon a knowledge that this world cannot give, but upon a knowledge that the Spirit of God gave to me. You may or may not have had that same knowledge in the past... you certainly don't now. You've thought yourself out of believing truth. Your allowed your own pride and the malicious intents of others (your Anti-Mormon Literature folks) to take you away from the truth. I feel badly for your decision to search for truth in works of hate, but we've all got the right to choose for ourselves and use our God-given agency.
I live in Utah, but wasn't raised LDS. I used to be a Southern Baptist. I have not been brainwashed by my parents, Bishop, missionaries, or anyone else. I have followed the Spirit of God. I have seen/experienced too many sacred and precious events to have any ability to entertain the idea that I belong to a 'cult'. I have not forced any spiritual event to happen by some figment of my imagination as Ayn Rand-ites would have you to believe, but what I've experienced was very real. I would expound further, but I decline to cast pearls before swine. ( I only call you swine in the figurative sense because you wouldn't see the worth in my experience, and only trample it under you feet as dross).
At any rate... you have your hate-filled opinions supported by hate-filled ex-Mormons and so-called Christian groups, and I have the truth, which you chose to throw out of your life.
And, oh, the comment about flying a jet plane into the twin towers was a bit overboard. Yes, people have done horrible things in the name of God, but were they really acting for him? I think not. Taken as a general whole (there are some LDS folk who drive me crazy, too), when we listen to the "whisperings of God" we donate clothing and food to the poor, help a neighbor, say a prayer for someone, help other churches out, and many other kindly things that are not all done just to be in some sort of spotlight the world will see.
Oh, and I think the new RFID legislation is a good thing. Just to keep part of this thread on-topic.
The use of a jury is to determine if the defendant is "guilty" or "not guilty".
There is such a thing as justifiable homicide because of a jury's ability to look beyond the law and determine the factors that went into the act. - Don't get me wrong, I don't condone murder, I was just making a point.
If all rulings are left up to a judge, the judge would likely go with the letter of the law mixed with his/her political leanings.
Juries need to understand their right and their responsiblity to the defendant and the prosecution to determine if the law should be applied in their particular case. The jury can then return with its verdict.
Gee... Why is it that anytime a posted article that contains the word Utah or SCO or Novell people automatically assume the Mormons are behind it. Sure, some Mormon folk may be working at these places, but I am sick of people bashing the LDS Church anytime the state of Utah is mentioned or implied in an article.
It's all a big waste of time (like this post, too).
The article is about something serious. A supposedly Republican/Conservative governor signed my entire state up for this MATRIX thing... I am none-too-happy about this one. It seems like all the conservatives have lost any spines they said they had and turned into tax and spend liberals and big government, big-brother types.
I am quite happy that he's left Utah for the EPA. He's always been a shifty character in my IMHO.
Please stick to the topic at hand. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints had nothing to do with the MATRIX. The MATRIX is very intrusive. Mormon-bashing is very stupid and a waste of typing, talking, thinking, etc.
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow. - SNL Weekend Update
why in the world does everything posted about SCO, Ray Noorda, etc. end up have some idiot bashing the LDS Church? The people of whom you speak may be LDS - I don't know about Darl McBride - but I do know that if they are lying through their teeth just to get a buck - which I strongly believe - they are NOT following any teaching or principle that is taught by the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Before you spout off that one must be highly insecure to devote 10% of our income to the church, you should actually learn about the church and the majority of its people. You don't judge a church or race or anything else by the actions of a VERY small portion of its people. Do not tie SCO to the LDS church - they have nothing more in common than I have with navel lint.
Please show some sense of intelligence when posting.
Either that, or you were just posting flaim-bate and I bit... In that case, you got me.
yeah, leave it to a private organizations teaching boys morals and practical skills. How corrupt. How disgusting.
I hope you could hear the sarcasm coming off my keyboard!!
you sure sound like an idiot from the east coast.
I could be wrong, though... you could be an idiot from anywhere.
later
In response to your anti-environmentalist question and liberalism question I personally believe that most environmentalists are not genuine. We (I am a Mormon) do not believe in destroying the earth, we believe that we (human race) have a stewardship of this earth and that we are here to take care of it AND to use it. People are God's greatest creation and our interests should not be below the interests of other animals or plants, although we should do our best to wisely use the land and water, plants and animal that our Creator gave to us. I also know that many of you do not share my view and that's OK.
Personally I am against the liberal line of thinking mostly because it removes my free-will to act as I wish with regards to my money. I am told that if I want to decrease my tax burden I am stealing money away from the poor. I freely give money to charities and the poor of my own choosing above and beyond my already outrageous taxes, we as a nation do not need to have a forced Robin Hood situation where money is taken from the richer and given to those with less. Those with less need to be given an incentive to work and earn more. our Declaration of Independence states that We were all created equal - it doesn't mean everyone's outcomes will be equal. I believe that most liberal followers (not the politicians) are good, honest people with noble ideas of how things should be. The only problem with their notions is that as long as the government is controlling and deciding who is rich and who is poor we all are beholden to that government. it is wrong - look at the former Soviet Union, China, Cuba. Look at all the people from Mexico and Latin America clammering to come to this still-great nation - they don't come here because of welfare, social security, or food stamps... they come here for an opportunity to increase their stations in life which they likely will not get in their countries of origin. I don't hold a grudge against anyone trying to get here - I wish they'd do it legally, though - I've been to Mexico and, frankly, it sucks by my standards. In a tourist trap like Cabo San Lucas you'd think that the city would be a bit more kept-up, but no, there was vomit on sidewalks, barbed wire fences laying in the road and on the sidewalks... everything was in disrepair... anyway before I get anymore long-winded I think my point was that I agree with helping the poor and downtrodden, etc. but it should be on my own and not a mandatory tax of my hard-earned money. good night, I'm tired.
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Speeders and jaywalkers don't generally get arrested unless they act like jerks to the officer, but the laws and ordinances regarding the offense are enforced. There are not enough police/courts in the world to catch/enforce punishment on each and every violation committed of each and every law. That said, when a law is broken and those in authority to enforce the law gain knowledge about the violation, that violation should be acted upon as the law allows. If a court date is necessary, then a jury of the accused's peers should be allowed to determine if the law should be enforced in that instance (U.S.A. rules).
Anyway...
People who overstay their visas know - or should know - that they stand the chance of being deported, and should be. Like your parent post said, we need to enforce the laws already on the books - we have immigration laws, let's enforce 'em. We didn't really need any new laws after 9/11 (except maybe allowing CIA/FBI to have better communication with one another), we just needed to enforce those already on the books.
I agree with your point about mutually exclusive laws on the books. Some pretty bright people we've got working for us in our State capitals and Washington, D.C.
I understand what you mean and it makes sense that the entire state is getting representation by the current method of electing a Senator. The kind of representation that I am speaking of is representation of the State's needs - meaining the State of California, Nevada, New York, etc. - the State Government itself needs to have a means of representation. That was what was intended when the Constitution was drafted. I believe it was called "The Great Compromise", where those who wanted a central government were given what they wanted with the House of Representatives, and those who wanted a more distributed form of government got what they wanted with the Senate. Each State, regardless of population, has 2 Senators to represent its needs and desires.
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Thanks - and good point, though.
The Senate was not supposed to be the same as the House of Representatives - hence the name difference. The Senate was designated to receive 2 representatives from each State to represent that State's needs and wishes, not the people directly. The State's have a need for representation, too - it prevents too central a government from being allowed. But since the method of electing a Senator was changed in the 30s I guess we just have to live with it.
They may be elected in slightly different manners, but the Senate still doesn't serve its intended purpose ( does any politician? ).
G'day
"BTW if you think state politicians don't look at polls you need to put your crack pipe down. The only difference between your state legilator and your senator is that your legilator is cheaper to buy."
My point is, the Senate was originally intended to represent the State's interests, not the people within the state - at least not directly. The way things are now we may as well have just a Congress or just a Senate; they are both elected in the same manner. Both sides only want to *please* their constituents when voting time is near and then go back to catering to their lobby-of-choice when no one's looking. I know that going back to having the States elect the senators wouldn't solve everything, but I believe it'd have the potential to cut down on the all the polling for people's opinions by the Senate. The people would still have a say in the electing of Senators by electing their state legislators. The States need to have their say in the way the Federal Government is run because they are losing many rights to the Feds and we the people need things to be more localized... education, police, etc. Let the Feds help with roads, Social Security, military, etc.
Bye
I have about 10 years of experience dealing with ATMs ( I work for a credit union ) and dealing with Diebold in general. When we enter supply mode and end the day's transactions we download the ATM's logs to a floppy disk and then import those transactions into a l'il prog that Diebold gave us. I believe the CD-RW is likely a replacement for the floppy drive and allows the ATM to "journal" its activities over a longer period of time to a very cheap media. Older ATMs "journalled" to a roll of paper usually located inside the machine.
Anyway, it's kind of reasonable to have a CD-RW, but 512MB RAM seems to be a bit of overkill.
It also sucks that IBM discontinued OS/2, because older machines often ran it and rarely went down for OS reasons - speaking from experience and also from asking our Diebold rep about it - I have to get his opinion on these voting machines (if he's allow to comment on them).
Bye
That was a funny comment, but do remember that in all the recounts that occurred in Florida AFTER the whole bru-haha, Dubya still came out ahead. He won the electoral vote and lost (very narrowly) the popular vote. The framers of the constitution intended the vote for President to be decided in this manner (hanging chads notwithstanding) to prevent the most-populous areas from completely controlling the vote. In a purely popular vote states like Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Utah, and other low-population states would have very little say in the election of a president. I personally believe the electoral college is the better way. Those who wish for a strictly popular vote do so because they know they (generally liberally-minded folks) can get elected by promising to hand out more doles (or claim their opponent will take away or severely cut their hand-out) to those already dependent upon the gov't for handouts (welfare, social security, etc.) - most of those dependents live in highly populated areas.
Anyway, we should keep it the way it is. We should also go back to allowing the State Legislatures elect members of the Senate instead of the people directly. Too many people in Washington, D.C. depend on polls of the people to determine if they should breathe, go to the bathroom, like vanilla/chocolate ice cream, etc...
G'day
There is nothing "cult-ish" about Mormonism. If you believe that we belong to a cult, then so be it. I suggest you read John, chapter 10 and ponder on what it means to be a follower of Christ. You may think that we Mormons act as sheep at times, but there is a very good reason that we do; we follow The Good Shepherd and know his voice.
You are entitled to your opinions... you may post your opinions... I'll probably read your opinions and find them inflammatory, and that's ok.
I have my beliefs and they are based upon a knowledge that this world cannot give, but upon a knowledge that the Spirit of God gave to me. You may or may not have had that same knowledge in the past... you certainly don't now. You've thought yourself out of believing truth. Your allowed your own pride and the malicious intents of others (your Anti-Mormon Literature folks) to take you away from the truth. I feel badly for your decision to search for truth in works of hate, but we've all got the right to choose for ourselves and use our God-given agency.
I live in Utah, but wasn't raised LDS. I used to be a Southern Baptist. I have not been brainwashed by my parents, Bishop, missionaries, or anyone else. I have followed the Spirit of God. I have seen/experienced too many sacred and precious events to have any ability to entertain the idea that I belong to a 'cult'. I have not forced any spiritual event to happen by some figment of my imagination as Ayn Rand-ites would have you to believe, but what I've experienced was very real. I would expound further, but I decline to cast pearls before swine. ( I only call you swine in the figurative sense because you wouldn't see the worth in my experience, and only trample it under you feet as dross).
At any rate... you have your hate-filled opinions supported by hate-filled ex-Mormons and so-called Christian groups, and I have the truth, which you chose to throw out of your life.
And, oh, the comment about flying a jet plane into the twin towers was a bit overboard. Yes, people have done horrible things in the name of God, but were they really acting for him? I think not. Taken as a general whole (there are some LDS folk who drive me crazy, too), when we listen to the "whisperings of God" we donate clothing and food to the poor, help a neighbor, say a prayer for someone, help other churches out, and many other kindly things that are not all done just to be in some sort of spotlight the world will see.
Oh, and I think the new RFID legislation is a good thing. Just to keep part of this thread on-topic.
G'day
The use of a jury is to determine if the defendant is "guilty" or "not guilty".
There is such a thing as justifiable homicide because of a jury's ability to look beyond the law and determine the factors that went into the act. - Don't get me wrong, I don't condone murder, I was just making a point.
If all rulings are left up to a judge, the judge would likely go with the letter of the law mixed with his/her political leanings.
Juries need to understand their right and their responsiblity to the defendant and the prosecution to determine if the law should be applied in their particular case. The jury can then return with its verdict.
Gee...
Why is it that anytime a posted article that contains the word Utah or SCO or Novell people automatically assume the Mormons are behind it. Sure, some Mormon folk may be working at these places, but I am sick of people bashing the LDS Church anytime the state of Utah is mentioned or implied in an article.
It's all a big waste of time (like this post, too).
The article is about something serious. A supposedly Republican/Conservative governor signed my entire state up for this MATRIX thing... I am none-too-happy about this one. It seems like all the conservatives have lost any spines they said they had and turned into tax and spend liberals and big government, big-brother types.
I am quite happy that he's left Utah for the EPA. He's always been a shifty character in my IMHO.
Please stick to the topic at hand. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints had nothing to do with the MATRIX. The MATRIX is very intrusive. Mormon-bashing is very stupid and a waste of typing, talking, thinking, etc.
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow. - SNL Weekend Update
why in the world does everything posted about SCO, Ray Noorda, etc. end up have some idiot bashing the LDS Church? The people of whom you speak may be LDS - I don't know about Darl McBride - but I do know that if they are lying through their teeth just to get a buck - which I strongly believe - they are NOT following any teaching or principle that is taught by the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Before you spout off that one must be highly insecure to devote 10% of our income to the church, you should actually learn about the church and the majority of its people. You don't judge a church or race or anything else by the actions of a VERY small portion of its people.
Do not tie SCO to the LDS church - they have nothing more in common than I have with navel lint.
Please show some sense of intelligence when posting.
Either that, or you were just posting flaim-bate and I bit... In that case, you got me.
yeah, leave it to a private organizations teaching boys morals and practical skills. How corrupt. How disgusting. I hope you could hear the sarcasm coming off my keyboard!! you sure sound like an idiot from the east coast. I could be wrong, though... you could be an idiot from anywhere. later
In response to your anti-environmentalist question and liberalism question I personally believe that most environmentalists are not genuine. We (I am a Mormon) do not believe in destroying the earth, we believe that we (human race) have a stewardship of this earth and that we are here to take care of it AND to use it. People are God's greatest creation and our interests should not be below the interests of other animals or plants, although we should do our best to wisely use the land and water, plants and animal that our Creator gave to us. I also know that many of you do not share my view and that's OK.
Personally I am against the liberal line of thinking mostly because it removes my free-will to act as I wish with regards to my money. I am told that if I want to decrease my tax burden I am stealing money away from the poor. I freely give money to charities and the poor of my own choosing above and beyond my already outrageous taxes, we as a nation do not need to have a forced Robin Hood situation where money is taken from the richer and given to those with less. Those with less need to be given an incentive to work and earn more. our Declaration of Independence states that We were all created equal - it doesn't mean everyone's outcomes will be equal. I believe that most liberal followers (not the politicians) are good, honest people with noble ideas of how things should be. The only problem with their notions is that as long as the government is controlling and deciding who is rich and who is poor we all are beholden to that government. it is wrong - look at the former Soviet Union, China, Cuba. Look at all the people from Mexico and Latin America clammering to come to this still-great nation - they don't come here because of welfare, social security, or food stamps... they come here for an opportunity to increase their stations in life which they likely will not get in their countries of origin. I don't hold a grudge against anyone trying to get here - I wish they'd do it legally, though - I've been to Mexico and, frankly, it sucks by my standards. In a tourist trap like Cabo San Lucas you'd think that the city would be a bit more kept-up, but no, there was vomit on sidewalks, barbed wire fences laying in the road and on the sidewalks... everything was in disrepair...
anyway before I get anymore long-winded I think my point was that I agree with helping the poor and downtrodden, etc. but it should be on my own and not a mandatory tax of my hard-earned money.
good night, I'm tired.