I would not suggest starting with Debian or Gentoo. They're too difficult for newbies... Debian because the install stinks and they treat newbies like dirt (yeah yeah, flame me, it's true), and Gentoo (with a GREAT user base) is just too darned SLOW waiting for the compiles, and you'll have a hard time getting major apps running on it (Oracle, etc...) Getting Gentoo installed will NOT make you an expert. In a business environment, nobody gives a crud if you can install it. They want Apache, BIND, Tomcat, Sendmail/Postfix, Samba, DHCP, etcetera running securely with solid backups and documented standards being followed. Gentoo and Debian are not supported by major vendors, and you would be an idiot to put them into an enterprise environment. (Remember, I like Gentoo...)
Start with Suse or Red Hat. In the real world, in a business environment, you will use one of those two. Try learning how to configure everything just using an editor (avoid the GUI tools) and you will learn a great deal.
Make learning vi (editor) and bash (the shell) a priority. Learn about the filesystem. Those two skills will make using any Linux distribution a more agreeable experience.
The Gentoo user forums are wonderful, as is librenix.com.
No training course will come close to doing hands-on work, but you may need to take some courses to make your boss think you know what you're doing. Fine. Take the Red Hat courses from either Red Hat or IBM. Having one of those two names on the stupid class certificate will make the managers happy, and the courses are decent, but by no means comprehensive.
Interesting reply. Let me give you something to think about. Concentrate on improving yourself, and let the salary be the vehicle that allows you to do that. I've been taking university courses for years just for the fun of it. I've taken everything from aeronautical engineering to women's literature to philosophy (to political science, history, psychology, sociology, blah blah blah). Money is freedom to constantly grow yourself.
I agree with you, but I'll add that "mediocrity reigns" because that is what we reward teachers and students for accomplishing. The school system has become what the military is becoming, a social engineering experiment for the politically correct crowd. God forbid we should raise children to love learning, and expose them to TRUE diversity in thought and philosophy (which includes religious and conservative thought).
The people that put the garbage about Bush censoring science should be shot. That accusation was made by the "Union of Concerned Scientists" which is NOT a scientific organization. It is an extremely left-wing POLITICAL organization. If you don't believe me, go check out their website. They admit it.
These guys have been debunked so many times for their outright lies the media should know better than to give them any credibility.
The only people who sit around talking about how bad money is are:
1. People who don't have any because they are lazy and not willing to put in the effort. 2. People who have it but didn't work for it and have the luxury of sitting around pontificating about a world they barely participate in. (ie. most of Hollywood)
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I originally wrote a very contentious response to you, but as I read what you wrote again and thought about it I realized you are just a victim of your own low expectations.
You blame everything on "The Man" and take no personal responsibility. Where's your sense of pride?
You obviously haven't read the messages on Slashdot lately.
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First, this article is about the French. The US economy is vastly different from the French one. Socialist policies (read: Democratic) in Europe have led to the business climate that this book discusses.
If your manager doesn't want to pay you more, and you think you are worth more, GO FIND ANOTHER JOB. If you really are good, you'll find one. If you can't find another job, you're probably not worth what you think you are. In the U.S. you have to take an active part in your career advancement. You have to advocate for yourself. You have to prove to your company that you provide value to them.
Think about it from management's standpoint. You are willing to take low pay and still work. What economic benefit is there for the company to voluntarily raise your salary, given that you are already working for the salary you have agreed to -- agreed to through your own inaction.
I've tripled my salary in 5 years by advocating for myself, so I speak from experience. Show your value. Be dependable. Be consistent. Demonstrate integrity.
> All you need is teach the right material to the > righy audience. not every tom, dick and harry is > meant to go there.
> i think with the right students liberal arts is > not needed at university level. after all you > forget that stuff after graduating that is if > you haven't by graduation day.
> brains are going to boil in that program. thats > for surer
Your post is a PERFECT example of why four-year schools with broad, challenging programs are necessary, and increasingly rare. How many students are already coming out of these low-tier two and four-year schools demonstrating the same stunning lack of basic writing skills that you have shown? How many of these so-called universities are lowering their standards every year to accommodate the lazy, illiterate morons that our high schools are graduating?
It is the perspective gained from a broad education that gives us the power to understand the world around us and form intelligent opinions. The fact that some of these people vote frightens me.
More accurately, the point of middle age is to have the freedom of resources to pursue your interests without worrying about the cost. For some people that may be skiing in the alps, for others it is spending time with their kids, and for others it is buying a brand new sports car and picking up 19 year-old bimbos.
The #1 reason for security holes in MS products is NOT the homogeneity of the OS market. It is clearly a failure of Microsoft to take security seriously from the start. They programmed an OS that did everything for the stupid user so the stupid user wouldn't have to think. They ignored all the standards and specs to throw in their own proprietary garbage.
It amazes me that no one has pointed out the obvious:
With their TREMENDOUS market share, Microsoft has a moral (and probably legal) obligation to secure their software and they have failed to do this for years. Entire industries depend on MS software. There is no excuse. Failure to do this is simply immoral and unethical, but we have come to expect this behavior from MS.
Liberals leaders are pathologically INCAPABLE of debating issues with reason and decorum. Their response to everything is a personal attack.
Debate the morality of homosexuality-
Liberal response: "You just hate people."
Debate the war-
Liberal response: "Rich white men killing women and children for oil."
Debate socialism-
Liberal response: "Nasty rich people and big business keep poor people down."
Give me a break. Liberals haven't been able to hold their own in a debate since JFK because there is no defensible argument for their positions. Therefore they resort to class warfare, race-baiting, and baseless accusations.
Go ahead and bash O'Reilly (I think he's kind of a jerk), but keep in mind that several big universities, Northwestern, Cornell, U of Chicago have done extensive studies showing massive left-bias of the media. U of Chicago (a VERY liberal University) just did a brilliant study which found that FOX's Special Report is the most politically CENTERED-- ie. closest to the real political center of modern Americans-- news show on television.
Liberals are liars and haters. They know nothing else. If someone is successful or wealthy, they knock him down just to see him destroyed. They assume if someone has achieved something, he must have done it by exploiting the poor and helpless.
Liberals produce nothing. They contribute nothing. They have no original ideas. They feed their incompetence and jealousy by taking from people who achieve.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I passed the RHCE with a 100% without using a single Red Hat tool. They don't care HOW you do it, as long as it works when you are done.
This nonsense about being locked in to "Red Hat's way of doing things" is silly.
The RHCE is a GREAT certification test. I've done others (in particular Oracle). There is no comparison. In the RHCE test I took only 2 of 10 people passed. Five failed before the end of the first section. One guy left 10 minutes into the test. He was certified on all the other major Unix flavors. He thought he could pass the test by studying the course guide for the RH300 course. Two guys, who both failed, worked for IBM in their Linux development for Notes.
The LPI tests you on memorizing a bunch of command-line switches. RHCE tests you on doing real work. I'll take the hands-on test any day.
You make a great point here, and for the most part you are completely right... but:
None of the other groups you refer to have a gun and the power of law to enforce their corruption, nor is their word taken over yours in a court of law.
I don't trust cops. I have known too many that ARE corrupt (City of Chicago), and I could tell you stories that would make you sick. A cop will find a way to get you if he wants to, forget your rights or the law. He will almost always win in court.
You're NUTS. I run a server room with 100+ Windows servers (mostly 2000). They crash ALL THE TIME. I spend DAYS patching them when the latest Windows remote exploit comes out.
Thank god my company is migrating our entire environment to Linux this year. (Not kidding here, VP of IT is fed up with Microsoft as well.)
Cache has nothing to do with it. Write performance is the issue. In particular, large sequential writes (which outsize the cache) are brutally slow under RAID 5. Databases that write redo and archive logs can grind to a halt under RAID 5.
Sorry, but depending on your system, RAID 5 can be a huge CPU hog if you are using software RAID. On my main fileserver I run 6 drives in three separate RAID 1 arrays (and a seventh drive just for a boot drive). In other words I have a terabyte of space, mirrored. Yes, I lose half the space. I'm perfectly happy having 500 gig of storage with great throughput.
The "which RAID level" debate is like the "vi or emacs" debate. Which level you use depends on your hardware and application. For example, most decent Oracle DBAs would lynch you for suggesting the use of RAID 5 for a database.
"Famine, disease, abject poverty, devistating wars, genocide. A return to a feudal economy, a breakdown of our civilization and another dark age for my children and grandchildren to live in."
Come on people! Wake up! Most environmentalists are among the worst scientists in the world (just barely above soothsayers and tarot card readers.)
Not ONE of these disaster scenarios, computer models, or studies EVER takes into account this little tiny detail known as Human Innovation.
The world is not coming to an end because we are driving SUV's. If it comes to an end it will be from a meteorite impact that could have been prevented if we hadn't wasted all our resources trying to control an uncontrollable climate. If we spent 1/10th the resources on learning to adapt to the natural climate changes that we waste on Kyoto and the junk science of all these Chicken Littles we wouldn't have to waste Internet bandwidth on these stories. My God, we could end world hunger with the money these lunatics are throwing away.
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I would not suggest starting with Debian or Gentoo. They're too difficult for newbies... Debian because the install stinks and they treat newbies like dirt (yeah yeah, flame me, it's true), and Gentoo (with a GREAT user base) is just too darned SLOW waiting for the compiles, and you'll have a hard time getting major apps running on it (Oracle, etc...) Getting Gentoo installed will NOT make you an expert. In a business environment, nobody gives a crud if you can install it. They want Apache, BIND, Tomcat, Sendmail/Postfix, Samba, DHCP, etcetera running securely with solid backups and documented standards being followed. Gentoo and Debian are not supported by major vendors, and you would be an idiot to put them into an enterprise environment. (Remember, I like Gentoo...)
Start with Suse or Red Hat. In the real world, in a business environment, you will use one of those two. Try learning how to configure everything just using an editor (avoid the GUI tools) and you will learn a great deal.
Make learning vi (editor) and bash (the shell) a priority. Learn about the filesystem. Those two skills will make using any Linux distribution a more agreeable experience.
The Gentoo user forums are wonderful, as is librenix.com.
No training course will come close to doing hands-on work, but you may need to take some courses to make your boss think you know what you're doing. Fine. Take the Red Hat courses from either Red Hat or IBM. Having one of those two names on the stupid class certificate will make the managers happy, and the courses are decent, but by no means comprehensive.
Best of luck!
Interesting reply. Let me give you something to think about. Concentrate on improving yourself, and let the salary be the vehicle that allows you to do that. I've been taking university courses for years just for the fun of it. I've taken everything from aeronautical engineering to women's literature to philosophy (to political science, history, psychology, sociology, blah blah blah). Money is freedom to constantly grow yourself.
Best of luck!
I agree with you, but I'll add that "mediocrity reigns" because that is what we reward teachers and students for accomplishing. The school system has become what the military is becoming, a social engineering experiment for the politically correct crowd. God forbid we should raise children to love learning, and expose them to TRUE diversity in thought and philosophy (which includes religious and conservative thought).
The people that put the garbage about Bush censoring science should be shot. That accusation was made by the "Union of Concerned Scientists" which is NOT a scientific organization. It is an extremely left-wing POLITICAL organization. If you don't believe me, go check out their website. They admit it.
These guys have been debunked so many times for their outright lies the media should know better than to give them any credibility.
People, money is good. I repeat, money is good.
The only people who sit around talking about how bad money is are:
1. People who don't have any because they are lazy and not willing to put in the effort.
2. People who have it but didn't work for it and have the luxury of sitting around pontificating about a world they barely participate in. (ie. most of Hollywood)
I originally wrote a very contentious response to you, but as I read what you wrote again and thought about it I realized you are just a victim of your own low expectations.
You blame everything on "The Man" and take no personal responsibility. Where's your sense of pride?
Good luck-- I mean it.
You obviously haven't read the messages on Slashdot lately.
Most common errors:
definite should not be spelled definate
separate should not be spelled seperate
First, this article is about the French. The US economy is vastly different from the French one. Socialist policies (read: Democratic) in Europe have led to the business climate that this book discusses.
If your manager doesn't want to pay you more, and you think you are worth more, GO FIND ANOTHER JOB. If you really are good, you'll find one. If you can't find another job, you're probably not worth what you think you are. In the U.S. you have to take an active part in your career advancement. You have to advocate for yourself. You have to prove to your company that you provide value to them.
Think about it from management's standpoint. You are willing to take low pay and still work. What economic benefit is there for the company to voluntarily raise your salary, given that you are already working for the salary you have agreed to -- agreed to through your own inaction.
I've tripled my salary in 5 years by advocating for myself, so I speak from experience. Show your value. Be dependable. Be consistent. Demonstrate integrity.
And most importantly, have a nice day!
> All you need is teach the right material to the
> righy audience. not every tom, dick and harry is
> meant to go there.
> i think with the right students liberal arts is
> not needed at university level. after all you
> forget that stuff after graduating that is if
> you haven't by graduation day.
> brains are going to boil in that program. thats
> for surer
Your post is a PERFECT example of why four-year schools with broad, challenging programs are necessary, and increasingly rare. How many students are already coming out of these low-tier two and four-year schools demonstrating the same stunning lack of basic writing skills that you have shown? How many of these so-called universities are lowering their standards every year to accommodate the lazy, illiterate morons that our high schools are graduating?
It is the perspective gained from a broad education that gives us the power to understand the world around us and form intelligent opinions. The fact that some of these people vote frightens me.
More accurately, the point of middle age is to have the freedom of resources to pursue your interests without worrying about the cost. For some people that may be skiing in the alps, for others it is spending time with their kids, and for others it is buying a brand new sports car and picking up 19 year-old bimbos.
What global warming?
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba478/
The #1 reason for security holes in MS products is NOT the homogeneity of the OS market. It is clearly a failure of Microsoft to take security seriously from the start. They programmed an OS that did everything for the stupid user so the stupid user wouldn't have to think. They ignored all the standards and specs to throw in their own proprietary garbage.
It amazes me that no one has pointed out the obvious:
With their TREMENDOUS market share, Microsoft has a moral (and probably legal) obligation to secure their software and they have failed to do this for years. Entire industries depend on MS software. There is no excuse. Failure to do this is simply immoral and unethical, but we have come to expect this behavior from MS.
Frankly a class-action lawsuit is long-overdue.
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Sorry, but Java is SLOW. Waiting for a Java program to start up is like listening to paint dry in a thunderstorm.
Liberals leaders are pathologically INCAPABLE of debating issues with reason and decorum. Their response to everything is a personal attack.
Debate the morality of homosexuality-
Liberal response: "You just hate people."
Debate the war-
Liberal response: "Rich white men killing women and children for oil."
Debate socialism-
Liberal response: "Nasty rich people and big business keep poor people down."
Give me a break. Liberals haven't been able to hold their own in a debate since JFK because there is no defensible argument for their positions. Therefore they resort to class warfare, race-baiting, and baseless accusations.
Go ahead and bash O'Reilly (I think he's kind of a jerk), but keep in mind that several big universities, Northwestern, Cornell, U of Chicago have done extensive studies showing massive left-bias of the media. U of Chicago (a VERY liberal University) just did a brilliant study which found that FOX's Special Report is the most politically CENTERED-- ie. closest to the real political center of modern Americans-- news show on television.
Liberals are liars and haters. They know nothing else. If someone is successful or wealthy, they knock him down just to see him destroyed. They assume if someone has achieved something, he must have done it by exploiting the poor and helpless.
Liberals produce nothing. They contribute nothing. They have no original ideas. They feed their incompetence and jealousy by taking from people who achieve.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I passed the RHCE with a 100% without using a single Red Hat tool. They don't care HOW you do it, as long as it works when you are done.
This nonsense about being locked in to "Red Hat's way of doing things" is silly.
The RHCE is a GREAT certification test. I've done others (in particular Oracle). There is no comparison. In the RHCE test I took only 2 of 10 people passed. Five failed before the end of the first section. One guy left 10 minutes into the test. He was certified on all the other major Unix flavors. He thought he could pass the test by studying the course guide for the RH300 course. Two guys, who both failed, worked for IBM in their Linux development for Notes.
The LPI tests you on memorizing a bunch of command-line switches. RHCE tests you on doing real work. I'll take the hands-on test any day.
You make a great point here, and for the most part you are completely right... but:
None of the other groups you refer to have a gun and the power of law to enforce their corruption, nor is their word taken over yours in a court of law.
I don't trust cops. I have known too many that ARE corrupt (City of Chicago), and I could tell you stories that would make you sick. A cop will find a way to get you if he wants to, forget your rights or the law. He will almost always win in court.
You're NUTS. I run a server room with 100+ Windows servers (mostly 2000). They crash ALL THE TIME. I spend DAYS patching them when the latest Windows remote exploit comes out.
Thank god my company is migrating our entire environment to Linux this year. (Not kidding here, VP of IT is fed up with Microsoft as well.)
Cache has nothing to do with it. Write performance is the issue. In particular, large sequential writes (which outsize the cache) are brutally slow under RAID 5. Databases that write redo and archive logs can grind to a halt under RAID 5.
Sorry, but depending on your system, RAID 5 can be a huge CPU hog if you are using software RAID. On my main fileserver I run 6 drives in three separate RAID 1 arrays (and a seventh drive just for a boot drive). In other words I have a terabyte of space, mirrored. Yes, I lose half the space. I'm perfectly happy having 500 gig of storage with great throughput.
The "which RAID level" debate is like the "vi or emacs" debate. Which level you use depends on your hardware and application. For example, most decent Oracle DBAs would lynch you for suggesting the use of RAID 5 for a database.
Maybe if Al Gore wasn't such a moron you wouldn't have to keep defending him.
Remember, Gore failed out of grad school twice and got worse grades than Bush AT THE SAME SCHOOL.
He is an idiot. Why defend him exactly?
"Famine, disease, abject poverty, devistating wars, genocide. A return to a feudal economy, a breakdown of our civilization and another dark age for my children and grandchildren to live in."
Come on people! Wake up! Most environmentalists are among the worst scientists in the world (just barely above soothsayers and tarot card readers.)
Not ONE of these disaster scenarios, computer models, or studies EVER takes into account this little tiny detail known as Human Innovation.
The world is not coming to an end because we are driving SUV's. If it comes to an end it will be from a meteorite impact that could have been prevented if we hadn't wasted all our resources trying to control an uncontrollable climate. If we spent 1/10th the resources on learning to adapt to the natural climate changes that we waste on Kyoto and the junk science of all these Chicken Littles we wouldn't have to waste Internet bandwidth on these stories. My God, we could end world hunger with the money these lunatics are throwing away.
Under Red Hat you can find this info by typing:
/proc/ide/ide0/hda
cat
and looking at the "logical" line.
Install by typing:
linux hda=#,#,#
at the boot menu of the install cd where #,#,# is the lba geometry of the hard drive. Everything works just dandy after that (I just tried it!).
For example, in my case I used:
linux hda=4864,255,63
After the install I could boot XP or Linux with no problems.
Best of luck.
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?i d=115980