"Nintendo have a habit for reusing the same things over and over. I find it amazing that you can point the finger at MS and Sony for it, yet not Nintendo."
I think you're amazed because you think you know what you're talking about, but you don't. Having familiar characters in a game does not a rehash make. Is What Dreams May Come just like Death to Smoochy?
"Strange as it may seem, what is fun to you may not be fun to other people."
I think his point is that you've got your head up your ass. You're too busy saying "it's the same" and not looking at it more closely. Take it as an insult, or take it as an honest reflection of how you sound. I've seen so many people looking for ways to poo poo something, they miss it. Having played all of the games that NG's mentioned, I can say without question that we're not talking about rehashes here.
"Either that or I could say "I did this all six years ago in Mario 64, and it is not fun anymore"."
To which my response would be "no you didn't do this in Mario 64 because it's not much like Sunshine at all really."
"Is it really that hard to accept that some people may not like Nintendo games?"
That isn't the issue here. The issue is that you're talking out of your ass. It doesn't affect my world at all if you don't like Nintendo, but if you're going to not like them then at least have a good reason. Just say "My tastes have changed.", not "Uh they're the same , at least that's the way it looks in the screenshots."
Don't believe me? Read the other comments in this thread. You flamingo'd up big time.
"Let me get this straight. Because it was raining OUTSIDE, they decided to show you a movie instead of teaching you math, or spelling, or history, or something like that? I'm surprised you can feed yourself, much less operate a computer."
It's called recesss, numbnuts. I didn't even bother reading past that.
So how did you get by in this world with absolutely no common sense?
"Warning: Unauthorized reproduction of this recording is prohibited by Federal law and subject to criminal prosecution"
To be fair, you still have to go find out what the laws are etc. I can't imagine anybody high school and younger even looking into that. I know better thanks to the RIAA's heavy handed approach with its customers. However, before that I thought that meant I couldn't take the song and remix it or something. No, I'm not the brightest bulb of the bunch, but there's a number of ways that can be interpreted assuming that anybody's read that to begin with. This is especially true when nobody's particularly interested in it in the first place. People buy their music so they can listen to it at their convenience.
I see what you're saying, but really it's not enough.
No, I use Windows. I don't have to deal with having to compile stuff.
I realize it's useful in the *nix world (even done a bit of that when I tried Linux out) but we're not talking about time critical stuff here unless you're a developer. (Granted, that could be the killer app for this machine, if the number of developers out there was a lot higher.)
I prefer rendering benchmarks where time really does equate to money, but unfortunately my previous argument about mass consumption pretty much sinks that idea too.
"She stole something (copyrighted material from the Net), got caught (by the RIAA) and was forced to pay for it."
Your attitude would do a sharp 180 if you found yourself paying some big entity $2,000 because you broke a law you weren't aware of. You'd be thinking "Why didn't they send me a cease and decist?"
"That's how I see it."
How can you see while you're view is obstructed by your anus?
"I don't think she's stupid. In fact I think most people are unaware that this is an illegal activity, especially if they are paying for a service."
One of the arguments I've made all along is that the RIAA has completely failed to educate people on this topic. You're supposed to know what copyright is and how it works to know you can't do that. Is a 12 year old supposed to know that? Is the average Joe even supposed to know? Maybe. But consider this:
- Radio is free. Buy a set, or build your own, and you get music.
- Radio makes money from ad revenue. So radio's not exactly begging you to go buy CDs.
- A logical conclusion can be drawn that the purpose of buying a CD is the convenience of playing a song whenever you want. Nobody ever though of buying a CD as a license to hear the song!
- When you rent a movie, it's spelled out for you in that FBI warning what you can and cannot do with a movie. You can't show it publically, for example. (I remember noticing that in grade school on a rainy day when they decided to show us Star Wars.) CD's have no such warning.
- Computers come with CD-Roms, which are perfect for putting CDs into.
- Blank Audio CD's are sold as audio CDs.
One has to ask, how's the general populace supposed to know what's happening here? How're they supposed to know it's 'wrong'? Why did the RIAA wait until it had blown out of proportion to start all this shit?
If they want my sympathy, they can forget it. At this point, even if they come out with a great MP3 service, I really don't think I can drag myself to get my credit card out. Taking $2,000 from a 12 year old girl who couldn't possibly have known better? And the protestors think Nike is bad?
"As much as I hate Child Pornography, and the people who distribute it, if you block a million child porn sites, and only 1 non porn site is blocked, they shouldn't be blocked."
That logic works when you're talking about death sentences, but in this case it just plain doesn't work. If 1 in a million sites are getting blocked, then it seems like it'd be easier just to work with that site to get its block removed. Move to a new ISP? Use different terminology? Use a whitelist?
If you had said 1 in 10, then I wouldn't have taken issue with what you said. The core of what you meant is solid, but you used a number that was self-defeating.
"The study doesn't seem to suggest anything about videogames causing ADHD, so I don't see what the big deal is."
The big deal comes from all the Kyle's Moms out there who try to twist this information into a crusade to put games down for good. I wouldn't mind if they were saying "watch your kids", but they tend to go a lot farther than that.
I'm overly sensitive to this topic because I've watched a number of people stand against video games, and none of them have proven to me that they know what they're talking about. This particular case may not warrant that reaction, but I cannot help but think this'll be used anyway. Video games have had a very positive effect on my life, in many ways I owe my career to them. Maybe I'm unusual, but I paid careful attention to how games communicate ideas to the audience in a fun way. My studies of these practices landed me some rather important skills in the UI development and testing world.
To make a long story short, these types of articles have ramifications down the road. Parents are afraid of external influences they're not familiar with. Stuff like this can and will be taken negatively. "Uh oh, he's hyperactive, better sue Nintendo."
... making video games look bad. Where's the research that says "The children that displayed these negative tendancies also had parents who use a TV as a babysitter.."?
I'd really like to know who's spearheading these research studies. The popularity of video games has skyrocketed in the last 20 years, yet these negative trends that are being 'observed' haven't risen at the same rate. How come none of these eggheaded morons aren't looking at those numbers?
As a robot, I'm deeply offended by this graphic photo. If you all find this type of imagery entertaining, then all you meatbags can just bite my shiny metal ass!
"The fact that it couldn't play DVDs, and the other two consoles could, definitely kept me from seriously considering it."
The PS2 aspired to be both a game machine and a DVD player, and didn't excel at either. The games may be fun on it, and the DVD player may more or less work, but both suffered. PS2 games have a soft blurry look to them due to a RAM bottleneck (to the point that side by side, the Dreamcast looked superior), and there are numerous complaints about the DVD playing abilities of that machine.
Sony's lucky the PS2 didn't end up like the Phillips CD-I.
...or have they opted to stay out of the hype fest?
Ever notice how much more practical Nintendo is? Ever notice that their audience follows them no matter who the competitors are? Ever notice that Nintendo titles constantly sell in the millions?
Okay, Nintendo may not be on top, but they're in a much more secure position than Sony and Microsoft are. Either one of those companys could suddenly 'lose' to a newcomer who sells the right mix of hardware and hype. Nintendo's pretty much a sure hit as long as the keep the titles coming. It's like they're their own market.
Frankly, it's hard to imagine having an XBOX and a PS2. But it's not so difficult imagining anybody having a GameCube and XBOX/PS2.
I just hope Nintendo doesn't go the way of Sega. I hated Sega in the 16 bit days, but in light of Sony and Microsoft, I desperately want them back. At least they made their own cool titles.
" I am getting tired of endless games with Mario in them."
Mario's simply a character to Nintendo, not a game formula. It's kind of like saying you're sick of movies that have Edward Norton in them. Could be worse, Mario could be like Jean Claude Van Damme.
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"Nintendo have a habit for reusing the same things over and over. I find it amazing that you can point the finger at MS and Sony for it, yet not Nintendo."
I think you're amazed because you think you know what you're talking about, but you don't. Having familiar characters in a game does not a rehash make. Is What Dreams May Come just like Death to Smoochy?
"Strange as it may seem, what is fun to you may not be fun to other people."
I think his point is that you've got your head up your ass. You're too busy saying "it's the same" and not looking at it more closely. Take it as an insult, or take it as an honest reflection of how you sound. I've seen so many people looking for ways to poo poo something, they miss it. Having played all of the games that NG's mentioned, I can say without question that we're not talking about rehashes here.
"Either that or I could say "I did this all six years ago in Mario 64, and it is not fun anymore"."
To which my response would be "no you didn't do this in Mario 64 because it's not much like Sunshine at all really."
"Is it really that hard to accept that some people may not like Nintendo games?"
That isn't the issue here. The issue is that you're talking out of your ass. It doesn't affect my world at all if you don't like Nintendo, but if you're going to not like them then at least have a good reason. Just say "My tastes have changed.", not "Uh they're the same , at least that's the way it looks in the screenshots."
Don't believe me? Read the other comments in this thread. You flamingo'd up big time.
The RIAA will see it's CD sales drop, so they'll whine to the government that law enforcement isn't keeping the evil pirates from stealing them blind.
"Let me get this straight. Because it was raining OUTSIDE, they decided to show you a movie instead of teaching you math, or spelling, or history, or something like that? I'm surprised you can feed yourself, much less operate a computer."
It's called recesss, numbnuts. I didn't even bother reading past that.
So how did you get by in this world with absolutely no common sense?
"Warning: Unauthorized reproduction of this recording is prohibited by Federal law and subject to criminal prosecution"
To be fair, you still have to go find out what the laws are etc. I can't imagine anybody high school and younger even looking into that. I know better thanks to the RIAA's heavy handed approach with its customers. However, before that I thought that meant I couldn't take the song and remix it or something. No, I'm not the brightest bulb of the bunch, but there's a number of ways that can be interpreted assuming that anybody's read that to begin with. This is especially true when nobody's particularly interested in it in the first place. People buy their music so they can listen to it at their convenience.
I see what you're saying, but really it's not enough.
"You're not a Gentoo user, are you?"
No, I use Windows. I don't have to deal with having to compile stuff.
I realize it's useful in the *nix world (even done a bit of that when I tried Linux out) but we're not talking about time critical stuff here unless you're a developer. (Granted, that could be the killer app for this machine, if the number of developers out there was a lot higher.)
I prefer rendering benchmarks where time really does equate to money, but unfortunately my previous argument about mass consumption pretty much sinks that idea too.
"Thats what I'd like to see as a benchmark test."
Not to sound cynical, but is that really all that useful of benchmark? You only compile Mozilla once.
"She stole something (copyrighted material from the Net), got caught (by the RIAA) and was forced to pay for it."
Your attitude would do a sharp 180 if you found yourself paying some big entity $2,000 because you broke a law you weren't aware of. You'd be thinking "Why didn't they send me a cease and decist?"
"That's how I see it."
How can you see while you're view is obstructed by your anus?
"They had enough for a computer and broadband internet..."
So does my mom that lives on $500 a month. What's your point?
"I don't think she's stupid. In fact I think most people are unaware that this is an illegal activity, especially if they are paying for a service."
One of the arguments I've made all along is that the RIAA has completely failed to educate people on this topic. You're supposed to know what copyright is and how it works to know you can't do that. Is a 12 year old supposed to know that? Is the average Joe even supposed to know? Maybe. But consider this:
- Radio is free. Buy a set, or build your own, and you get music.
- Radio makes money from ad revenue. So radio's not exactly begging you to go buy CDs.
- A logical conclusion can be drawn that the purpose of buying a CD is the convenience of playing a song whenever you want. Nobody ever though of buying a CD as a license to hear the song!
- When you rent a movie, it's spelled out for you in that FBI warning what you can and cannot do with a movie. You can't show it publically, for example. (I remember noticing that in grade school on a rainy day when they decided to show us Star Wars.) CD's have no such warning.
- Computers come with CD-Roms, which are perfect for putting CDs into.
- Blank Audio CD's are sold as audio CDs.
One has to ask, how's the general populace supposed to know what's happening here? How're they supposed to know it's 'wrong'? Why did the RIAA wait until it had blown out of proportion to start all this shit?
If they want my sympathy, they can forget it. At this point, even if they come out with a great MP3 service, I really don't think I can drag myself to get my credit card out. Taking $2,000 from a 12 year old girl who couldn't possibly have known better? And the protestors think Nike is bad?
"Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested. "
I think the RIAA's going to learn that most corps don't pull this kind of shit because they fear they'll be boycotted.
"I think the RIAA's going to learn that most corps don't pull this kind of shit because they fear they'll be boycotted."
Oh sunuvabitch, I posted in the wrong topic. Had multiple windows open.
Sorry all. Mod me up so everybody can point and laugh!
"Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested. "
I think the RIAA's going to learn that most corps don't pull this kind of shit because they fear they'll be boycotted.
"As much as I hate Child Pornography, and the people who distribute it, if you block a million child porn sites, and only 1 non porn site is blocked, they shouldn't be blocked."
That logic works when you're talking about death sentences, but in this case it just plain doesn't work. If 1 in a million sites are getting blocked, then it seems like it'd be easier just to work with that site to get its block removed. Move to a new ISP? Use different terminology? Use a whitelist?
If you had said 1 in 10, then I wouldn't have taken issue with what you said. The core of what you meant is solid, but you used a number that was self-defeating.
"The study doesn't seem to suggest anything about videogames causing ADHD, so I don't see what the big deal is."
The big deal comes from all the Kyle's Moms out there who try to twist this information into a crusade to put games down for good. I wouldn't mind if they were saying "watch your kids", but they tend to go a lot farther than that.
I'm overly sensitive to this topic because I've watched a number of people stand against video games, and none of them have proven to me that they know what they're talking about. This particular case may not warrant that reaction, but I cannot help but think this'll be used anyway. Video games have had a very positive effect on my life, in many ways I owe my career to them. Maybe I'm unusual, but I paid careful attention to how games communicate ideas to the audience in a fun way. My studies of these practices landed me some rather important skills in the UI development and testing world.
To make a long story short, these types of articles have ramifications down the road. Parents are afraid of external influences they're not familiar with. Stuff like this can and will be taken negatively. "Uh oh, he's hyperactive, better sue Nintendo."
... making video games look bad. Where's the research that says "The children that displayed these negative tendancies also had parents who use a TV as a babysitter.."?
I'd really like to know who's spearheading these research studies. The popularity of video games has skyrocketed in the last 20 years, yet these negative trends that are being 'observed' haven't risen at the same rate. How come none of these eggheaded morons aren't looking at those numbers?
When I read "The Sound of a Black Hole"
the sound I heard in my mind was "oh shit there's a black hole!"
I, for one, am not surprised that a Nintendo of America designed satellite would face launch delays.
As a robot, I'm deeply offended by this graphic photo. If you all find this type of imagery entertaining, then all you meatbags can just bite my shiny metal ass!
... and it kept noticing "we welcome our new ??? overlords."
Something's wrong with this bloody thing.
"When it comes to films, you hear people saying that they are sick of seeing the same actors all the time - and I am sick of Mario."
Typecasting is the problem, not seeing the actors. Notice not all celebrities follow that formula you've created.
"The fact that it couldn't play DVDs, and the other two consoles could, definitely kept me from seriously considering it."
The PS2 aspired to be both a game machine and a DVD player, and didn't excel at either. The games may be fun on it, and the DVD player may more or less work, but both suffered. PS2 games have a soft blurry look to them due to a RAM bottleneck (to the point that side by side, the Dreamcast looked superior), and there are numerous complaints about the DVD playing abilities of that machine.
Sony's lucky the PS2 didn't end up like the Phillips CD-I.
PDA's are just becoming everyday household items. Soon everybody'll have PDA cell phones.
I just found myself looking for e-books the other day. There are so many books I'd liketa read, just don't like ferrying them around.
...or have they opted to stay out of the hype fest?
Ever notice how much more practical Nintendo is? Ever notice that their audience follows them no matter who the competitors are? Ever notice that Nintendo titles constantly sell in the millions?
Okay, Nintendo may not be on top, but they're in a much more secure position than Sony and Microsoft are. Either one of those companys could suddenly 'lose' to a newcomer who sells the right mix of hardware and hype. Nintendo's pretty much a sure hit as long as the keep the titles coming. It's like they're their own market.
Frankly, it's hard to imagine having an XBOX and a PS2. But it's not so difficult imagining anybody having a GameCube and XBOX/PS2.
I just hope Nintendo doesn't go the way of Sega. I hated Sega in the 16 bit days, but in light of Sony and Microsoft, I desperately want them back. At least they made their own cool titles.
" I am getting tired of endless games with Mario in them."
Mario's simply a character to Nintendo, not a game formula. It's kind of like saying you're sick of movies that have Edward Norton in them. Could be worse, Mario could be like Jean Claude Van Damme.
To the mods who are about to mod parent post down, it's a C&C joke. A funny one at that.