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Lockheed Martin Drops NOAA Satellite

An anonymous reader writes "Last Saturday, engineers at Lockheed Martin in Sunnyvale were rotating the NOAA-N spacecraft from vertical to horizontal when it slipped and fell - hard. SpaceRef has the story and a graphic photo of the damaged satellite."

76 comments

  1. Shit.. by leifm · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I thought I was pissed when I dropped my iBook...

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  2. Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ouch that hurt... good to see that everything is locked down until a safety review is completed to prevent me from getting hurt again.

  3. Ouch! by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't begin to imagine the frustration for the people working on that project seeing their baby lying there like that. Note the two levels of failure. Even a well designed protocol can fail if the participants are sloppy on a regular basis. There's probably a moral for all of us there.

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  4. Putting it all in perspective by bzant · · Score: 1

    Well, I guess my worst day at work does not equal dropping a multi-million dollar satellite. But they now have a comittee to investigate, so that's good. I'm glad no one created a committee to investigate that time I dropped a machine while it was on, that drive no workee no more.

  5. They're lucky by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that nobody got hurt! Can you imagine the shock to someone standing next to it when it fell?

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    1. Re:They're lucky by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      Plus the propellant system was pressurized which apparently presents some risk to techicians simply going in and messing around with the thing right now. Anyone know whey propellant was loaded in a craft that isn't scheduled to launch for five years? Perhaps the propulsion system was being pressure tested with an inert gas or something.

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    2. Re:They're lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can you imagine the shock to someone standing next to it when it fell?

      been there... seen it, heard it, got the brown undies... was operating the crane when a Tornado jet engine fell out of the test stand when it was being lowered into the transportation cradle after testing... after investigation it wasn't our fault... it was the adaptor and it required a modification to prevent inadvertent disengagement after that incident.

    3. Re:They're lucky by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

      satellite prop systems are always under a pad pressure. very small, no more that 20 psi or so. it just ensures no dirt creeps into thrusters or valves. ususally, its helium, but could be nitrogen.

    4. Re:They're lucky by n1ywb · · Score: 1

      It absolutely is NOT fueled up. Satellites are use hypergolic (self igniting) fuels that are pretty much the most dangerous chemicals on earth, after plutonium. Here are some pictures of them fueling up Amsat Oscar 40 (ironic to think that while these pictures were being taken, any one of these people could have saved it from blowing up by just opening the damn valve or whatever) http://www.amsat-dl.org/launch/ Note the protective gear and the emergency escape chutes in the fuel depot... Yeah. The fueling up is pretty much the last thing that happens before the bird gets loaded on a rocket.

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    5. Re:They're lucky by Xilman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      hypergolic (self igniting) fuels that are pretty much the most dangerous chemicals on earth, after plutonium.

      With respect, this is garbage. Plutonium is pretty inoccuous stuff, as long as you don't go around assembling kilogram quantities of it in a small space. Chemically, Pu is about as toxic as lead. People survive for decades with lumps of Pb inside them. Radiologically, Pu is rather feeble too. Its half-life is many thousands of years and, although you wouldn't want to ingest it, there are many other elements that are much nastier. Radium is an obvious example.

      I was a chemist in a previous life. I've dealt with chemicals that are markedly nastier than Pu, even in my relatively sheltered life. Elemental fluorine, for instance, and for that matter, azide salts which are either very toxic or detonators or both.

      Biologists and biochemists deal with much nastier substances than most chemists.

      Paul

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    6. Re:They're lucky by nystagman · · Score: 1
      I still have the warning label from a particularly nasty cellular current blocker called 4-aminopyridine (4-AP) that I used to study signalling in Aplysia Californica, a lovely little snot-like sea slug.

      4-AP is pretty scary stuff: the small bottle I had could have (if an appropriate delivery mechanism could be deployed) killed almost everyone in the Cleveland metro area. Good thing scientists are all well-balanced individuals, huh?

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  6. Nelson says... by digital_freedom · · Score: 1

    (pointing at engineers with jaws dropped)
    Ha Ha!

    Homer says, "D'oh!"

    1. Re:Nelson says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MSNBC has got a pic of the fallen monstrosity, load it and cry out HA HA!

      http://www.msnbc.com/news/964067.asp

  7. This Kinda thing by KMAPSRULE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    happens so often its only a matter of time before it really hurts someone:

    First, technicians from another satellite program... removed the bolts...without proper documentation.
    several programs I have worked on have had near accidents because parts were "borrowed" without redtags being applied. Second, the NOAA team working today failed to follow the procedure to verify the configuration of the NOAA "turn over cart" since they had used it a few days earlier.

    Complacency(sp?) Happens way to often in every job environment. And it takes a lot of discipline to force yourself to follow the procedures everytime day in/day out and beyond.

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  8. Just goes to show by Strike · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Just goes to show by jerde · · Score: 1

      Yeah... Gravity really gets you down sometimes.

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  9. 24 bolts? by BigBir3d · · Score: 4, Funny

    How the heck are 24 bolts missing? Someone is sooooo fired over this one!

    1. Re:24 bolts? by gnovos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the heck are 24 bolts missing? Someone is sooooo fired over this one!

      And it will probably be the technician who removed them and not the manager who ordered it done.

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    2. Re:24 bolts? by dexter+riley · · Score: 1

      And rightfully so, if the technician was the one who failed to document the bolt removal properly! Now, if the supervisor allowed documentation failures like this one to occur routinely on his watch, then he should be shown the airlock, as well!

    3. Re:24 bolts? by kasparov · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The places that I have worked, the person making a change to a project is responsible for documenting any change that they make. Pushing the responsibility for documentation to anyone else just doesn't make sense.

      If the manager tells someone to make a change, documents it, and the guy has to go pick up his kids and doesn't get to it that day... you have problems. Documentation should be done only after a change is made, and then by someone who made (or at least witnessed) the change.

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    4. Re:24 bolts? by Ignis+Flatus · · Score: 1

      And it will probably be the technician who removed them and not the manager who ordered it done.

      Nah, that's what unions are for. All the really big companies have them.

      I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it were just one of the VPs coming in to show off to his friends. There was probably even a sticky-note on the controls saying "Hey Bob, I borrowed your bolts. Whatever you do, don't tip the thing over!"

    5. Re:24 bolts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gotta post Anonymously on this one. I know someone who works in this lab.... They have been working tons of overtime lately. They have been made to cover other peoples positions on projects that are not theirs through many early morning to cover the managments poor time management.
      It sounds like the usual (and brings to mind the last big space oops), too few people working on too many projects with too tight of deadlines. It was a matter of time until something went wrong. Of course the managers will not get fired, no independent investigation to point the finger at them this time. But most likely the non-union engineers who have been working thier asses off covering managements ass will take the ax.

      Good luck guys!!!!!!!

    6. Re:24 bolts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the heck are 24 bolts missing?

      Come on, you read Slashdot, so you're a nerd, right? At any given time, there are half a dozen screws missing off a nerd's computer, and the case is nowhere to be seen. This is just the high-tech (expensive) equivelant :)

    7. Re:24 bolts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true middle manager.

      I told you to do it - but ha! You didn't get to document it before everything went south! Now it is your responsibility

    8. Re:24 bolts? by dexter+riley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Middle manager? No, I don't manage anybody. I'm just an employee who hopes that when I use a piece of equiptment, it will work as expected, and not crush/mangle/electrocute my ass! You don't document critical changes, oh, whenever you get around to it. You do it immediately after you make the changes, or in anticipation of the change, so the reactor doesn't spew acid through the missing gaskets, or the bus doesn't drive off with a missing brake line, or the multi-ton satellite doesn't fall on somebody. It IS the employee's responsibility to work according to protocol; if he doesn't, he's responsible for the consequences (and, as I said, if the supervisor allows shit like this to happen routinely, he should be fired as well). And yes, some protocols are unrealistic, but then he should tell his supervisor, and not just do whatever he wants.

      If you don't like being ultimately responsible for the consequences of your actions, that's your business; but I sure as hell wouldn't want you working in the same company as me.

    9. Re:24 bolts? by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      There are a few options here:

      1. slip-shod work, but everything gets "done"
      2. precise work, but not everything is finished
      3. talk with mgmt about getting more people (usually fresh faced newbies out of college to do the b.s. work for cheap)
      4. work somewhere else

      Number four is not a viable option for most people.

      Number three never works, but if it did, it would cost the company millions of dollars.

      Number two gets people in trouble, and costs the company millions of dollars.

      Number one costs the company millions of dollars.

      It think the pattern here is pretty obvious; IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THINGS THE PROPER WAY.

      Amazing that a college dropout like myself can see this... I guess I am not yet wearing the corporate blinders.

    10. Re:24 bolts? by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      So why didn't the hardworking engineers bother to tell anyone they'd removed the bolts? How long can that take?

  10. Do your goof ups have armed guards by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How funny there is guards staring at this goof up until they figure out what to do with it.

    What's up with building satellites FIVE years in advance. I understand it takes a long time at stuff.. but really, the technology will be so different by 2008. Hell, robots will be running things.

  11. From the article... by jwriney · · Score: 1

    NOAA-N Prime is under guard, all records have been impounded,

    ...and the workers responsible will be ass-pounded.

    --riney

  12. IM dialog.... by Blob+Pet · · Score: 2, Funny

    A conversation with my buddy Chris on this article...

    Me: the satellite's name is NOAA-N Prime haha...it should have an autobot symbol

    Chris: But the question is, what does it transform into?

    Me: i think it's already in vehicle mode

    Chris: Yeah, it damages its enemies by falling over on them and causing severe damage, according to the article

    Chris: I'm not sure it deserves the title "autobot"

    Chris: "NOAA-N Prime finally defeats the mighty Megatron by falling on its side on him. Megatron, not strong enough to lift NOAA-N Prime off of him, eventually gave up"

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  13. Bad Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's just, what, a 20G decelleration? Heck, my laptop can survive more than that. Here, watch m

    1. Re:Bad Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not possible for us to determine the the deceleration force with the information that was released. We know it was dropped from 3' so we can approximate the velocity when it hit the ground, but without knowing how the vehicle deformed, we can't determine the deceleration distance (and therefore the force required to stop it in that distance).

  14. Perhaps all those procedures .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Perhaps all those procedures .... are preventing people from thinking .... the workers in an average workshop - where people think instead of relying on procdures - rarely drop the most expensive item in the shop on the floor .....

    1. Re:Perhaps all those procedures .... by n1ywb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've never dropped an engine off an engine stand before... Mechanics don't drop cars of lifts very often. Then again people probably don't take random bolts out of the lifts at night to fool the mechanics. I bet it was done intentionally by a rival satellite team.

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  15. Personally, I find this re-assuring... by FFFish · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...'cause it means that on the whole, no matter how bad a day I'm having, I can always remember: someone else had a far, far worse one.

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  16. looks around by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    I didn't do it.

  17. Can anybody explain the accident more clearly? by spitzak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first impression of the photo is that the satellite tipped completly over from vertical standing on that white framework on the right. You can see another satellite standing up in that position in the background.

    However the description does not match this, it says it fell only three feet, from an apparently horizontal position.

    What I can't see is what was holding it up in that position. Was that fixture (the "roll over cart") removed? Or is it hidden behind it, or attached to the "bottom" (now on the right edge) or what? How exactly did the missing 24 bolts not become noticed until it was in this horizontal position?

    Just curious for more details. Other people's expensive mistakes are always fascinating!

    1. Re:Can anybody explain the accident more clearly? by Ahotasu · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll give it a go.

      First, note that spacecraft (S/C) are rotated from vertical to horizontal positions very very slowly For smaller S/C, hand-cranked carts are used, but from the pictures, I think this one used a motor, which may have taken longer to "adjust" when the techs noted the problem (the S/C slipping from the plate before the fall).

      In the photo you see on the linked page, the turn-over cart is the large white structure located on the far right of the picture. The large ring is the base where the 24 missing bolts should have been. This interfaces with (most likely, I'm guessing here) the S/C launch vehicle adapter ring, which is probably the slightly flared chrome-colored cylinder at the base of the S/C (again, on the right of the picture).

      You can't tell from the picture posted, but I've seen pictures that show the ring is (only) roughly 5-10 degrees from horizontal. The ring itself, when horizontal is about 3 feet above the floor. Doubtless, what happened is that, as the plate (and therefore S/C) was rotated, the S/C started to slip off of the plate, striking the turn-over cart and then rotating over into its fatal dive.

      This is similar to how other S/C are handled, at least in my experience. It is also interesting to note that some physical S/C moves are videotaped and have significant quality assurance checkoffs. This may be limited to lifts (think crane), and vibration tests, and not "simple" turn-over maneuvers, and I'd bet this isn't the first time this turn-over cart was used, nor the first time this S/C was turned. I wonder if there are videos floating around? I'd sure as heck find it interesting to see the turn-over procedure and see where they checked off the step saying "check bolts".

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    2. Re:Can anybody explain the accident more clearly? by spitzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From your description, it really sounds like it did fall over from a nearly vertical position. And that is certainly what it looks like from the pictures. It slid off that flat white surface to the right.

      The article text kind of implied that it only dropped 3 feet, as though it was horizontal and then the top dropped to the floor. Perhaps they were trying to minimize how bad it sounds.

  18. photoshop? by oni · · Score: 4, Funny

    I feel sorry for the engineers who's work has been damaged, but I can't help but want to photoshop this. There is a desk complete with in-out boxes just to the left of the satellite. I think there needs to be a small pool of blood there to make this funny.

    Bad news: we dropped a multi-million dollar satellite
    Worse news: it landed on Phil, the only guy who knows how to fix it.

  19. America's Funniest Home Videos by chia_monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's aweful. And probably gonna be damn expensive to fix. But looking at the picture, all I can imagine is watching a kitten or something bump up against it, watch it knock over, and have Bob Saget saying something so horrifically annoying that all I want to do is wish I was underneath that thing.

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  20. Why was it fueled? by V.+Mole · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    NOAA-N Prime is planned for launch in 2008.

    and

    The immediate actions concern safety (preventing the spacecraft from rolling, discharging the batteries, and depressurizing the propulsion system).

    If the thing wasn't going to be launched for 5 years, why on earth was the propulsion system pressurized? Did they just happen to drop it during a propulsion test?

  21. Consecutive slashdot stories by Smack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Barnes and Noble Drops Ebooks
    Lockheed Martin Drops NOAA Satellite

    Hee.

  22. Prooves once and for all.... by danratherfan · · Score: 0, Troll

    The efficiencey of private industry over the federal government. If NASA had developed that satelite it would have had to have waited until it got into space to be destroyed.

    1. Re:Prooves once and for all.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, even most NASA satellites end up being built by a private contractor. The scientists draw up specifications on all the weird gizmos they want, maybe they go out and help build the thing, but it ends up being somebody else's show, because the privates are the ones with all the actual experience building the hardware.

  23. TERRORIST INFILTRATION! by phloydphreak · · Score: 1

    in other news, the little known Al-Bolt-Yeeda struck again today, setting back the production of the multi-billion dollar satellite untold weeks. This terrorist organization is better known for their previous activities with the Chicago Balcony Board (or CBB) as well as their activities in the Chicago Night Club Doors Committe (or CNCDC). Their activities are far ranging indeed if they can strike at the most technically sophisticated bolts we have today. I believe that they must be supported and protected by other countries to be able to strike so effectively; and that we should have a crusade against those countries in attempts to root them out. I would recomend invading those countries who have intimate bolt knowledge, and have been developing 'rival' bolts. These countries must be training Al-Bolt-Yeeda insurgents in an attempt to undermine the american bolt industry. These countries include: Syria.

    >:-)

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  24. the real explanation... by BortQ · · Score: 1

    One more example of why nerf-gun fights in the office are a bad idea.

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  25. I have a plan... by Gleng · · Score: 1

    They should do what I did when I fried that bar code scanner at work that time; just put it back in the box at the bottom of the pile and pretend you know nothing about it.

    You win again, gravity!

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  26. erm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oopsey...

  27. Which is all well and good... by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

    ...until it happens to you. So next time you drop a multi-million-dollar satellite which is only 5 years from launch, you can take comfort in knowing that you made someone else feel better about their day. ;-)

    We should be thankful that beheading is no longer allowed in the U.S...

  28. D'oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homer: I'll bash it good!

    Marge: Homer, it's just a weather station.

  29. F'in Meatbags by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    As a robot, I'm deeply offended by this graphic photo. If you all find this type of imagery entertaining, then all you meatbags can just bite my shiny metal ass!

    1. Re:F'in Meatbags by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      One wonders why was this modded 'Troll'? This was pretty funny.

    2. Re:F'in Meatbags by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "One wonders why was this modded 'Troll'? This was pretty funny."

      I'm puzzled myself. I figured the "as a robot" part of my post would have at least shaken off anybody who never sawa Futurama before..

      Thanks man. :)

  30. NOA = Nintendo of America? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I, for one, am not surprised that a Nintendo of America designed satellite would face launch delays.

  31. Taco Bell Prizes? by Hamster+Of+Death · · Score: 1

    How many tacos would this be worth?

    1. Re:Taco Bell Prizes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  32. How to fix it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing that this will basicly trigger a complete rebuild of the entire thing. Strip it down to it's components, rigorously test each part separately, replace those part that are damaged.

    It sounds like a *LOT* of intensive manual work. Anyone have more of a clue than I do?

    At least it didn't get into space before having an accident like this.

    1. Re:How to fix it? by riprjak · · Score: 1

      >At least it didn't get into space before having an accident like this.

      I rather expect that falling 3 feet is the least of its worries in space; Im sure NASA would be hosing alot less astronauts of the continental USA if all that happened to their spacecraft was falling three feet in space :)

      I would like to add my professional engineering voice to the chorus of "why the hell was the propulsion system pressurised!". Even if they were testing it, the smart engineer pressurises the system just before the test and depressurises it afterwards; rather than wheeling it around the place and piffing it around like a nerf ball. One only hopes that they were bright enough to pressurise it with an inert gas rather than actual propulsion chemicals.

      err!
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  33. New rule by annisette · · Score: 1, Funny

    posted from command Central: All future satellite construction will be built in the vertical, checked in the vertical, and launched in the vertical, This decree will eliminate this problem.

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  34. One word... by tellurian · · Score: 2, Funny

    eBay

  35. OT: Looks like a painted phonebox on its side...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    With no disrepect intended, doesn't it look
    like something from a British streetcorner,
    repainted?

    I do hope there's another prototype around
    - so that this puppy's functionality won't
    come online too late to be useful... ;-\

  36. You and your delicate laptops. by Myself · · Score: 1

    Eddie was pissed when I dropped my Toughbook down his stairs. Luckily, further examination revealed that the stairs had only taken 3 small dents, none of which were obvious to the casual observer.

    The toughbook, of course, failed to notice.

    Why would you carry around a computer that's so delicate you can't even nudge it off a table 40 or 50 times? It's just silly when your $1700 computer is less durable than a $30 dead-tree book. Don't put up with wimpy hardware.

    1. Re:You and your delicate laptops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried to buy a toughbook, but was told panasonic only sell them to businesses and organisations, not individuals.

    2. Re:You and your delicate laptops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eBay, my friend. I wouldn't dream of paying new prices for any laptop, toughbook or otherwise!

  37. More informative article by RML · · Score: 1

    This article from the same site has a few more details about the incident. The satellite was a polar-orbiting environmental satellite used to monitor weather and climate. It was upright when it fell.

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  38. Project Status Messages by Mr.Sharpy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Vibration Test...Completed
    Structural Load Test...Completed

    Good to see they got those out of the way!

  39. I have a relative who works at a division of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Lockheed Martin. This is what they sent me in reply to my sending them the link on the satellite being dropped. I've elided some information and am posting anonymously to protect them.

    Lets look at this. These clowns modified a piece of support equipment without documentation and didn't record the fact that the equipment was missing parts. Then another gaggle of clowns failed to examine the item before use, (prior to use inspection) because they had used it " a few days ago". Sadly, I can see how it could happen. We try to prevent this kind of thing. ............... is extremely anal in their insistence on following procedures and reader/worker routines and QA buys at critical points, and lots of redundancy. This is an isolated case.

    The new management paradigm for corporate operations within Lockheed Martin is "Lean" thinking.
    This is some warmed over stew of Deming and systems analysis with a liberal amount of oriental mysticism and a dash of Bruce Lee. It is designed to make our executives "American Samurai of Business" (I kid you not.) It initially came from some rednecks in a Japanese car factory somewhere in the American South.

    Basically you have some outside expert come in and examine your process. You describe your process to him and he draws it on the wall on a big sheet of brown paper. Then he crosses out any redundant steps to streamline the process. Inspections are, of course, non value added steps and are also redundant because the worker looked at the process while he was doing it, didn't he?

    Our expert who was to tell us how to build better rockets had a PhD. in English, and wasn't really sure about the content of Newton's Laws of Motion. (I asked.) When I asked how someone who didn't comprehend basic first
    principles of rockets could tell us how to build them, I was told that I didn't understand the process. (The fact that the guy was nude except for his crown was a tip off that I was being conned.)

    To be sure, any systems analysis can improve a process, and I am sure that the testimonials from the Hondota plant were true, but the basic nature of the process must be taken into account during the analysis. There are different requirements for a factory that produces 10,000,000 units and can tolerate having several hundred thousand items recalled each year and a factory that produces 50 units, all of which must work the first time, without fail.

    Also, if you screw up at Hondota Inc., the worst thing that can happen is that the wheels will fall off the car, someone will get killed and some lawyers will make lots of money. If we screw up, we may not get to go home. (How does one quantify the amount of "value added" of having the facility remain in existence?)

    All of this escapes the attention of our upper management and they continue to attempt to try to make us into good little Hondota workers. After all, the shuttle could have gone into the dealer to have the tile fix service pack installed before landing.

  40. MOD PARENT UP by w42w42 · · Score: 1

    Maybe Lockheed should be slapped with punitive damages because of this. It blows me away that they would willfully tear up proven processes regarding sattelite or space vehicle manufacturing.

    You'll never get the management in any efficient manner - but you can get the industry that spawned this, so-called efficiency experts. Sue the hell out of them. Child Phsycologists have been sued successfully for creating false testimony regarding child abuse (non) cases, perhaps a financial incentive has to be present in the above industry so they are a little more careful about what they apply their advice to - assuming that the above is an accurate description.

  41. Intel! by Knacklappen · · Score: 1

    Well, this photo certainly looks like on of those frikking Intel bunny men escaped from their clean room, only to be crushed by the NOAA-N Prime... Maybe their caused the accident in the first place, dancing around in a lab and all...

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  42. I see why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "NOAA-N is a cooperative effort between NOAA, NASA, the United Kingdom and France."
    There are more reliable and constructive ways of pissing the French off!
  43. Top Ten: 'leaner' process management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Top ten things leaner process management has done already:

    Checked the mirror
    Converted to metric
    Voted on the basis of facts
    Modeled the grid
    Launched the Titanic
    Kept insecticide safely
    Considered wind shear
    Audited unusual profits from government contracts
    QCd Windows backdoors
    Reviewed the threat from hijackers

  44. Tupac Shakur dropped... by Spooge+Knight · · Score: 1

    dead when I shot him!