"Just curious if anyone else thinks arcade develpment is dead (whimpers, remembering "killer instinct" machines)"
I think it's in a depression, bout I wouldn't say it's dead. The problem is that home consoles have caught up to what Arcades can produce. As a result, arcade games were no longer premium experiences. This has caused arcade game manufacturers to do things consoles can't.
That's where games like Dance Dance Revolution (hope I got the name right...) changes the variables. DDR is technically feasible in the home, but not really all that practical. Not to mention the social implications of playing it in a public place. Then there's a cop shooter game.. grr I can't remebmer the name, I think it had 911 in the title though. What's different about it is that there are motion sensors that can track your body movement, so if you duck out of the way you can avoid being shot. I have difficulty imaginging that game being faithfully ported to a Playstation.
I honestly believe that we'll see a reniassance in arcade gaming. A theater near my house has a small arcade, and every single game they have there would be difficult to port to a home console without a seperate hardware add-on. That place is constantly busy despite not being in a mall or being an official 'arcade'. It's just a matter of getting a new round of creativity brewing up new types of games.
So, in short, I think arcades are in a slump right now. They will pick up, though.
I would agree with that comment if we were talking about a desktop machine. But we're not, we're talking about laptops, and they're more specialized than desktops.
Laptops are:
1.) Very mobile 2.) Very Powerful 3.) Very efficient with batteries
The catch is that you can only pick two of the three.
"There is such a thing as conviction; staying the course; speaking your mind."
Of course you're right. I don't mean to imply that we should absolutely show no bias or preference at all. I just meant to say that we have to be able to recognize when they have a point. It's okay to say "Man, I love Linux!". It needs to be said. "Okay, MS does have a better interface, but Linux is worth the extra learning curve because...."
You're right, I should have been clearer.
"Hey! I've got an idea: let's go see if Saddam's still torturing his family memebers- maybe he's got a new thing to offer!"
I see what you're saying, but there's a huge difference here. MS's motives are subtley different from Saddam's. Make money. The neat thing about that as a motive is that one can make money in a good way. I can't really say the same for Hussein. I don't claim to know what's going on in this guy's mind, but he's interested in nasty weapons. If all this fuss were about him trying to acquire nuclear energy sources, as opposed to just plain weapons, I think your argument could work better. "Hussein might be trying to provide more electricity at a cheaper price to help his economy..."
Okay, not a great example, but hopefully my point has come across. Not everything MS does is bad. How many of us love our MS Optical Mice? What about the XBOX? Granted, that's a touchier subject. It's a game machine. It plays games and only games. MS isn't doing anything unusual in that market. (i.e. nothing worse than Nintendo or Sony has done, so please don't blast me with that modding site getting shut down.) Can we expect now that game machines of the next generation will have ethernet ports and possibly even hard drives? If the Optical Mouse is any indication, yes. They've changed the market for the better!
The difference between MS and Hussein is that MS can be guided in the right direction. It's happened. It can happen again. It helps if they recieve praise for the things they do right. Imagine if Slashdot was saying "Wow, this TabletPC we have is pretty cool, too bad the registration thing prevents me from recommending it to my company." instead of "Well, the TabletPC is your usual MS junk, but we might be able to salvage it with Linux..."
"Exactly, and disallowing the opposing side to speak is a very good way at showing elitism."
This comment struck a chord with me. One of the things I cannot stand about the way articles are posted on Slashdot is that every chance is taken to put MS in the worst possible light. I'll give you an example, last year there was an article titled "Microsoft throws Sony out of CES". Sort of implies that MS bullied Sony out, right? The content of the story that Slashdot linked to clarified what really happened: Sony broke a rule at a tradeshow, MS turned them in to the people that run the show, Sony threw a temper tantrum and left. MS didn't throw anybody out of anything. The worst thing they did was they made a legitimate complaint. But the way Slashdot spun it, MS was somehow using it's monopoly muscle to make the XBOX more visible.
I have a question for you all: If Slashdot hates every move MS makes, how can any of us be taken seriously about our legitimate complaints about them?
Getting onto the topic at hand, I just wanted to make the point that the Linux Advocates need to show more objectivity. They cannot be taken seriously if they show similar attitudes that the visible Slashdot community has. They need to be able to acknowledge when MS has a strength or a point.
If (EverythingMS) == BAD then AdvocateCredibility == FALSE.
Be objective. Linux's merits will stand out. Just don't sound like a zealot.
I'm sick of people acting like porn is a completely bad thing. It's not. It's a reflection of our personal tastes. Sweeping it under the rug is a step backwards for us all. If it bothers you, grow up. It's not some dark sinful thing, it's just personal.
Anybody else glad that the days of 'porn == taboo' are gone?
" But no, you do not need to consider the whole system and all parts of it when you do implementation or even some of the design."
I simply don't agree with you. Not because I think you're wrong, but because I do not believe this is an absolute. I don't think this is the type of thing you can establish globally across the board. To put it another way, I think that you're right in some situations, maybe in a majority of them, but not in all of them.
I believe that every situation is unique and needs to have unique attention paid to it. I don't think there needs to be a rule established here.
Just to be clear, I'm arguing against 'absolutism', not against what you're saying. I think you make a good point. (I really am blowing what you said out of proportion, heh)
"Someone doing circuit layout or design for a cockpit control widget does not need to worry about reentry dynamics and airflow."
I think this example is debatable and can possibily be used against you. One could argue that reentry dynamics and airflow could make for a bumpy ride, thus the designers need to be aware of the journey this vessel's going to go on.
That's besides the point, though. I'm not interested in debating that detail. Instead, I want to offer my insight from observing both poles of this dicussion: having strictly one point of view or the other is bad. If you're overly broad, you over-design software. If you're overly narrow, you design yourself into a corner.
I'm radically oversimplifying this problem, but it's true. Everybody has their own perspective. A good manager places them where they're useful. My company has a nice mixture of personality types in engineering. They're all placed where they fit best. If we were to polarize all the sudden, I really think the project would collapse.
"Many times, management is the cause of preventing developers to see the "big picture". Sometimes it's "Here, code this" and you don't get a lot of opportunity to ask the questions you know need to be asked..."
Don't forget the "make it work by the next trade show" mentality.
psst. Ghost in the Shell wasn't that good. It was mediochre at best.
Though the movie had style, the actual story/dialog (at least the English version...) was pretty bland. That might have been what the guy who started this thread was trying to say.
A lot of the fascination with anime is its visuals, sometimes it overcompensates for a weak story. Step away from the visuals for a bit, and Ghost in the Shell is a pretty boring movie. Don't believe me? Close your eyes and watch a few minutes of it.
Does this mean the movie's worthless? Of course not. A movie's good if you like it, simple as that. But the point of these awards shows is to measure a movie on more than just how much people liked it.
In relation to what? He explained himself, you asked "are you fucking stupid?". Are you 'fucking' incapable of expressing yourself in a more detailed way?
Call me a troll if you like, but if you're going to kick somebody who's logic doesn't quite work in your world, dont'cha think that you should at least stop and say why?
Whatever you do, don't take advice from George Lucas on that. He has funny ideas about touching up film. Next thing you, you'll have a co-pilot intended as the plucky comic relief.
On the flip side, though, the lack of passenger side airbag on your car will heal your soul.
"When will advertises learn that irritating their potential customers is not a good idea?"
Like showing tampon commercials during Star Trek? Heh. That never ceases to amaze me. It's kinda like Microsoft advertising here on Slashdot. Guys HATE tampons!
Now I understand what all the fuss is about. You really have to sit down, pause a live broadcast, rewind it a bit, then start playing again to understand why this thing is so cool.
It's a pity that this device that makes me watch more TV is under fire by the TV Industry. Am I going to skip commercials? Yes. Am I going to skip every single commercial? Can't skip commercials while the show is originally airing. I'm using it to catch shows I hadn't seen yet. If the show's good, I'm going to watch it when it airs. The ads are still getting to me, even more so now that I have more shows I want to watch.
Okay, that horse has been beaten to death. It's just sad that these industries are so short sighted. I mean, think about it, the more fun TV is (i.e. trading shows...), the more interest is generated in seeking interesting content.
Okay, I'm not really on-topic anymore. Sorry. Just wanted to vent a bit. Hopefully you can imagine my reaction to the headline the day I bought the machine.
"Isn't that the browser project that goes through horrible code bloat every so often, then gets all trimmed down and redesigned, only to bloat right back up again?"
Not exactly, the bloated one is the one that comes with comfort food.
Slashdot Mirror
"Just curious if anyone else thinks arcade develpment is dead (whimpers, remembering "killer instinct" machines)"
I think it's in a depression, bout I wouldn't say it's dead. The problem is that home consoles have caught up to what Arcades can produce. As a result, arcade games were no longer premium experiences. This has caused arcade game manufacturers to do things consoles can't.
That's where games like Dance Dance Revolution (hope I got the name right...) changes the variables. DDR is technically feasible in the home, but not really all that practical. Not to mention the social implications of playing it in a public place. Then there's a cop shooter game.. grr I can't remebmer the name, I think it had 911 in the title though. What's different about it is that there are motion sensors that can track your body movement, so if you duck out of the way you can avoid being shot. I have difficulty imaginging that game being faithfully ported to a Playstation.
I honestly believe that we'll see a reniassance in arcade gaming. A theater near my house has a small arcade, and every single game they have there would be difficult to port to a home console without a seperate hardware add-on. That place is constantly busy despite not being in a mall or being an official 'arcade'. It's just a matter of getting a new round of creativity brewing up new types of games.
So, in short, I think arcades are in a slump right now. They will pick up, though.
"I for one enjoy a snappy machine."
I would agree with that comment if we were talking about a desktop machine. But we're not, we're talking about laptops, and they're more specialized than desktops.
Laptops are:
1.) Very mobile
2.) Very Powerful
3.) Very efficient with batteries
The catch is that you can only pick two of the three.
See my point?
"There is such a thing as conviction; staying the course; speaking your mind."
;)
Of course you're right. I don't mean to imply that we should absolutely show no bias or preference at all. I just meant to say that we have to be able to recognize when they have a point. It's okay to say "Man, I love Linux!". It needs to be said. "Okay, MS does have a better interface, but Linux is worth the extra learning curve because...."
You're right, I should have been clearer.
"Hey! I've got an idea: let's go see if Saddam's still torturing his family memebers- maybe he's got a new thing to offer!"
I see what you're saying, but there's a huge difference here. MS's motives are subtley different from Saddam's. Make money. The neat thing about that as a motive is that one can make money in a good way. I can't really say the same for Hussein. I don't claim to know what's going on in this guy's mind, but he's interested in nasty weapons. If all this fuss were about him trying to acquire nuclear energy sources, as opposed to just plain weapons, I think your argument could work better. "Hussein might be trying to provide more electricity at a cheaper price to help his economy..."
Okay, not a great example, but hopefully my point has come across. Not everything MS does is bad. How many of us love our MS Optical Mice? What about the XBOX? Granted, that's a touchier subject. It's a game machine. It plays games and only games. MS isn't doing anything unusual in that market. (i.e. nothing worse than Nintendo or Sony has done, so please don't blast me with that modding site getting shut down.) Can we expect now that game machines of the next generation will have ethernet ports and possibly even hard drives? If the Optical Mouse is any indication, yes. They've changed the market for the better!
The difference between MS and Hussein is that MS can be guided in the right direction. It's happened. It can happen again. It helps if they recieve praise for the things they do right. Imagine if Slashdot was saying "Wow, this TabletPC we have is pretty cool, too bad the registration thing prevents me from recommending it to my company." instead of "Well, the TabletPC is your usual MS junk, but we might be able to salvage it with Linux..."
Yeah, I know I'm dreaming.
"Exactly, and disallowing the opposing side to speak is a very good way at showing elitism."
This comment struck a chord with me. One of the things I cannot stand about the way articles are posted on Slashdot is that every chance is taken to put MS in the worst possible light. I'll give you an example, last year there was an article titled "Microsoft throws Sony out of CES". Sort of implies that MS bullied Sony out, right? The content of the story that Slashdot linked to clarified what really happened: Sony broke a rule at a tradeshow, MS turned them in to the people that run the show, Sony threw a temper tantrum and left. MS didn't throw anybody out of anything. The worst thing they did was they made a legitimate complaint. But the way Slashdot spun it, MS was somehow using it's monopoly muscle to make the XBOX more visible.
I have a question for you all: If Slashdot hates every move MS makes, how can any of us be taken seriously about our legitimate complaints about them?
Getting onto the topic at hand, I just wanted to make the point that the Linux Advocates need to show more objectivity. They cannot be taken seriously if they show similar attitudes that the visible Slashdot community has. They need to be able to acknowledge when MS has a strength or a point.
If (EverythingMS) == BAD then AdvocateCredibility == FALSE.
Be objective. Linux's merits will stand out. Just don't sound like a zealot.
"when spamfilters come alive... their prime directive will be "eliminate anything that is worthless"
As long as we generate energy, we'll never be worthless. I just hope you've chosen your screen name.
".the term 'engineer' is used very loosely when you are refering to software engineers..."
Dilbert: "You're mighty brave in cyberspace, flame boy."
"Just b/c you're typing one-handed every time you're online doesn't mean that the rest of us are."
If I'm the one typing one handed, then how come 'because' is too long for you to type? Heh.
"Since pornography serves no common good..."
Says you. It's keeping the internet alive.
I'm sick of people acting like porn is a completely bad thing. It's not. It's a reflection of our personal tastes. Sweeping it under the rug is a step backwards for us all. If it bothers you, grow up. It's not some dark sinful thing, it's just personal.
Anybody else glad that the days of 'porn == taboo' are gone?
"It was so horrible, I didn't even get what he was talking about until I saw your post."
Don't give NanoGator too much credit, he didn't get it until I explained it on ICQ.
nana nana NA na NAAaa Na Spector Garriot. NananaNA NA NAAAAAAA!
Yeah yeah, don't tell me you weren't thinking of that song when you read that name.
" But no, you do not need to consider the whole system and all parts of it when you do implementation or even some of the design."
I simply don't agree with you. Not because I think you're wrong, but because I do not believe this is an absolute. I don't think this is the type of thing you can establish globally across the board. To put it another way, I think that you're right in some situations, maybe in a majority of them, but not in all of them.
I believe that every situation is unique and needs to have unique attention paid to it. I don't think there needs to be a rule established here.
Just to be clear, I'm arguing against 'absolutism', not against what you're saying. I think you make a good point. (I really am blowing what you said out of proportion, heh)
"What about Samba-DS9?"
Samba-Voyager's kinda cool. They promise that if it disappears, it'll return within 7 years.
"What does the TNG stand for?"
It stands for:
That's
Not
Gnu
.
"Someone doing circuit layout or design for a cockpit control widget does not need to worry about reentry dynamics and airflow."
I think this example is debatable and can possibily be used against you. One could argue that reentry dynamics and airflow could make for a bumpy ride, thus the designers need to be aware of the journey this vessel's going to go on.
That's besides the point, though. I'm not interested in debating that detail. Instead, I want to offer my insight from observing both poles of this dicussion: having strictly one point of view or the other is bad. If you're overly broad, you over-design software. If you're overly narrow, you design yourself into a corner.
I'm radically oversimplifying this problem, but it's true. Everybody has their own perspective. A good manager places them where they're useful. My company has a nice mixture of personality types in engineering. They're all placed where they fit best. If we were to polarize all the sudden, I really think the project would collapse.
"Many times, management is the cause of preventing developers to see the "big picture". Sometimes it's "Here, code this" and you don't get a lot of opportunity to ask the questions you know need to be asked..."
Don't forget the "make it work by the next trade show" mentality.
"Moulin Rouge?"
Geez guys, read the posts. Like 50 of you told him it was Moulin Rouge. I can't believe nobody mentioned South Park!
"Why didn't Star Wars get a nomination in this category? It was almost like Roger Rabbit. A cartoon with some real people in it."
It was nominated Best Demo Reel.
"...or 'Ghost in the Shell'."
psst. Ghost in the Shell wasn't that good. It was mediochre at best.
Though the movie had style, the actual story/dialog (at least the English version...) was pretty bland. That might have been what the guy who started this thread was trying to say.
A lot of the fascination with anime is its visuals, sometimes it overcompensates for a weak story. Step away from the visuals for a bit, and Ghost in the Shell is a pretty boring movie. Don't believe me? Close your eyes and watch a few minutes of it.
Does this mean the movie's worthless? Of course not. A movie's good if you like it, simple as that. But the point of these awards shows is to measure a movie on more than just how much people liked it.
"Are you serious? Do you actually buy computer products with the full expectation of not needing the power until years down the road?"
Yes. I am a gamer.
"Are you fucking stupid?"
In relation to what? He explained himself, you asked "are you fucking stupid?". Are you 'fucking' incapable of expressing yourself in a more detailed way?
Call me a troll if you like, but if you're going to kick somebody who's logic doesn't quite work in your world, dont'cha think that you should at least stop and say why?
"how do I touchup a film?"
Whatever you do, don't take advice from George Lucas on that. He has funny ideas about touching up film. Next thing you, you'll have a co-pilot intended as the plucky comic relief.
On the flip side, though, the lack of passenger side airbag on your car will heal your soul.
" Finally I'll be able to crash into my buddies without having to pay for repainting my car each time I do so! :D"
I don't think they make primer colored plastic.
"When will advertises learn that irritating their potential customers is not a good idea?"
Like showing tampon commercials during Star Trek? Heh. That never ceases to amaze me. It's kinda like Microsoft advertising here on Slashdot. Guys HATE tampons!
... when you've purchased a ReplayTV today.
Now I understand what all the fuss is about. You really have to sit down, pause a live broadcast, rewind it a bit, then start playing again to understand why this thing is so cool.
It's a pity that this device that makes me watch more TV is under fire by the TV Industry. Am I going to skip commercials? Yes. Am I going to skip every single commercial? Can't skip commercials while the show is originally airing. I'm using it to catch shows I hadn't seen yet. If the show's good, I'm going to watch it when it airs. The ads are still getting to me, even more so now that I have more shows I want to watch.
Okay, that horse has been beaten to death. It's just sad that these industries are so short sighted. I mean, think about it, the more fun TV is (i.e. trading shows...), the more interest is generated in seeking interesting content.
Okay, I'm not really on-topic anymore. Sorry. Just wanted to vent a bit. Hopefully you can imagine my reaction to the headline the day I bought the machine.
"Isn't that the browser project that goes through horrible code bloat every so often, then gets all trimmed down and redesigned, only to bloat right back up again?"
Not exactly, the bloated one is the one that comes with comfort food.
(Yay! I made a Java joke!)