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Intel Announces New, Slower, Chip
kshkval writes "According to Business Week, Intel is marketing the Centrino, a 1.6 Ghz chip that is slower than previous laptop processors from Intel, but does more. Hey, isn't that what Apple and AMD have gotten so much guff about? The worm turns..."
A better built, more efficient chip .. I like it. Though since its winter, I'll stick with my AMD chips to keep me warm.
sounds like intel has finnaly decided to jump on the bandwagon...but what is up with that name? Centrino?
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we don't?!?!
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The logo, featuring a striking magenta color and a completely new shape, suggests flight, mobility, and forward movement.
Sold!
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Perhaps now we will see a new wave of marketing, measuring and such from Intel, although I doubt it.
/.ers with their honesty.
They have made a tremendous amount of money due to the ignorance of "moms and dads" who assume that bigger numbers mean faster computer.
They are more typically going to say "yea, but this is for laptops only, they are different" and still focus the race on ghz. I mean, you can't blame them. their job is to make money for their shareholders, not impress
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Is it me or is that logo a two-colored sideways ass? Awful.
There is no gravity...the earth just sucks.
Moore's Law doesn't stand a chance!
The Centrino is not a single processor but a "mobile technology" including microprocessor, wireless networking, etc.
Processor is a misnomer.
Not entirely. Apples chips cost more but do the same amount (or less, there's no MMX in an PowerPC). They are also more expensive per clock-cycle and embedded in a desktop (or server, if Apple made a server worthy of the name).
Cool, what will we get in 40 years? Do we get the ENIAC back? Now _that_ is what I call a computer. Woohoo!
just in time for Valentines day ....
So now Intel is removing a laptop user's ability to easily upgrade his/her wireless capability...say from 802.11b to .11g?
I wonder how easy it will be for PC Cards, etc to override the CPU's wireless functionality....
The bottom line is "Do you want to exchange performance for battery life?" and "Do you not want to have to purchase a wireless card (sd/pcmcia)?" For some, that may be appealing, however, not a big enough reason for thoes of us who would hopefully know better. I for one enjoy a snappy machine.
Looking at the press release, Intel outlined three priorities:
o extended battery life
o thinner and lighter form factors
o outstanding mobile performance
This is a chip to compete on the Transmeta level, if you will. The message is "If you want better battery life and acceptable performance, buy this."
The megahertz myth is irrelevant here.
But I wonder if all the Intel folk that have always (wrongly) said Apple processors suck because they're slow will sing a different song now.
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Don't let your Centrinos collide with Anti-Centrinos, or you'll get a huge explosion that will rain Pentinos, Athlinos, and other junk.
What's going on? Are we all trapped in the MHz war? Just because a chip is slower in MHz, doesn't mean it's performance is unacceptable. I could happily do my accounts work on a pentium 200, which was once considered top of the range. Anyway, MHz isn't the absolute speed guide. It depends what you do with the MHz you hvae, so you can make a "slow" processor which performs well, or a "fast" preocessor which performs badly. MHz is a crap measurement of speed.
Before, the chant was "High MHz good! Higher MHz better! GHz is the best!" Now, since the general public is no longer susceptible to the pimply-faced kid at CompUSA who convinces ma & paw that a 2.4GHz is indeed 17% faster than a 2.0GHz, Intel needs to shift gears and change their tune.
The really sad part about the entire remarketing campaign is that they will get away with it. The general public has a very short memory for these kinds of stunts -- just look at how well Microsoft is doing after countless screwings over of the populace. Windows ME anyone?
The thing to remember is that with enough marketing funds, you can indeed have success even selling snow to eskimos.
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The new Intel Centrino mobile technology brand name will be represented by a new logo carrying the famous Intel Inside® mark. The logo, featuring a striking magenta color and a completely new shape, suggests flight, mobility, and forward movement.
Yeah, either that, or "disposable feminine product"
I this heralds an era where chipmakers are finally starting to realise that unless you are doing some sort of DC project, or ripping movies 24/7 you don't need twice the power of yesterdays supercomputers in your PDA. Although I will stick with my Athlon to keep warm (Currently, with windchill it is minus 40 C out :eek:)
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There go my bragging rights...
Intel discovers that size isn't everything...
will work for Karma
A couple years ago I went to an intel sales seminar for retail salespeople (amazing how you can dummy a paystub with photoshop, and a scanner) and halfway through the presentation the trainer threw out "Who knows what iComp is?"
The entire room lost it when I yelled back "A cheesy marketing ploy!"
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Is this wireless built into a CPU? "Centrino" brand motherboards, what? I want to know. I don't want any of that wireless shit in my boxes. I don't need it, and I don't want to have to deal with securing it. I *would* consider AMD chips, but from my experience, W2K and AMD chips just don't get along. Looks like I'm gonna keep trolling the bargain bins for reliable P2's.
Vector processors are much cooler running than conventional processors. They are much better at 3d graphics . Why has the computer industry dropped the ball on vector processing ? If more more effort were done on parallel/matrix computing then we wouldn't be worrying about cooling for everything from laptops to supercomputers. Even US. scientists are jealous of the japanese NEC vector supercomputer. Price to performance ratio for the computer can not be beat by US computers. We dropped the ball on electronics , soon cars and soon high performance computing.
If the personal computer is really taking a long slow march into being a "consumer electronics device" instead of a nerds toy, then these types of changes are inevitable. (I suppose nerd machines may never dissapear altogether, but..) "Consumers" don't use PCI slots, nor do they know what they are, nor do they care. In fact I'd wager than more than half of the people who do know and care don't use them during the life of the machine anyway. So it makes sense to see "consumerized" computers doing away with these unnecessary technologies to give more flexibility in price and form factor.
:)
Yes, yes - my computer does have PCI slots and yes, so will my next one. But that's not the point
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From Intel's Site:
Intel® Pentium® M Processor
does this mean they overclocked a 166 Pentium to 1.6 GHZ?!
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because nothing says 'you're hot!' like a new processor
Well, if the processor is from AMD it does...
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
...you insensitive clod.
'Computationally challenged' or 'differently-abled in the clock speed dept' would be more appropriate.
What a load of fluff. Is there even anything new here? A slower chip which uses less power - shocking! Bundled technology that's already being bundled by every single vendor - wow! I can't even tell from either link whether there is one single thing that's new about the chip other than its slowed core - the retained bandwidth could just be because the FSB is still the same speed.
Beyond that, who writes these ridiculous press releases? "Intel Corporation said today" - yeah, to ITSELF. "CES Virtual Press Kit" really is descriptive of the press these days.
The Business Week writer tries, but can't help the fact that it's a non-story. "Intel's carrot is a new logo" - huh? In what possible way is this a carrot? You could at least argue that the existing Intel logo is recognised, though widely mocked. What possible benefit is there in the new one to a vendor? Another damn sticker on every device? And for this they have to buy a bundle of three things they otherwise could have sourced separately.
It all seems a pathetic smokescreen way of saying "our competitors were right all along - everything we've said against them was bullshit". Also "we're having trouble moving some of this stuff, so you can't buy this less-useless CPU without it - oops well that would be monopolistic, so you CAN buy it separately, you just can't have the logo! By the way, AMD sucks!".
Ok, I admit that I didn't pour through all of intel's docs for the complete specs, but it sounds like they're just "packaging":
...Just wanting to see more true advances, less hype
-The Pentium-M processor (already in most laptops)
-The 855 chipset (is that new? My poor memory tells me the 855 is already in use too... )
-And a wireless board (the 'new' part of the equation)Whoopie!!!
Not to troll or anything ( I like intel ), I'm sure there are some minor goodies or better features with this package, but to me it sounds like 99% marketing (for now) and nothing really special.
Intel has slowly, noticed it or not, started to improve efficiency as well as increase there clockspeeds with ease. The whole intel HT was just a way to squeeze more bang for the cycle, and that's good for the end user. Unless of course they run more office apps than other things, but those people dont usually buy 3Ghz comps anywho, so thats kinda beside the point. Either way, Intel should increase their efficiency as it benefits us, the user. I really wish my athlon had the clock cycles of an intel, or an intel had the efficiency of my AMD, and intel is at least trying to become more effecient. Who knows, my next comp might be a Pentium V (or whatever it will be called, i really dont care).
So, yeah, in a way, Intel is kinda being a little hypocritical as its down what it has so often mocked. But then again, so many companies take the very path they have openly rejected, and this time, we benefit. YAY! PS: im sick of waiting for the Athlon64!
oh, yeah, and macs suxor ^_^ -- not so much the hardware, but the operating system (pre-X i meanz)
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had wireless support is certainly ignoring Apple. I have a 3 years old Apple laptop with Airport, maybe they mean Wintel Notebooks.
Besides that, Intel is playing nasty, they want to sell all three chips (processor, wifi and whatnot) while some competitors have better parts, especially for the Wifi. Should competitors sue Intel?
IMO bundling any product with one for which you have almost a monopoly should be prohibited. I'd want Intel to be fined in the billions of dollars for this (anything less they won't notice).
Will it run NINNLE?
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all looking good for intels business just now yes? but i think they are probably spreading themselves too thin.
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historically intel have focussed on getting more MHz out of the 386 arch'. but these days they want it all
enterprise server (itanium)
desktop (p4)
laptop (banial [sic])
tablet (Centrino)
handheld (strong-arm)
digital watch (???)
the industry is fragmenting and one thing is for sure: intel are gonna be fighting a war on 4 fronts now; not 1
companies that can't keep up with intel R&D just now (AMD,Sun,transmeta,motorolla...IBM?) will (by specialising on a single market) eventually be back making intel look slow&ineficient once more.
IHNIKOOSIBAIW sell shares in intel and buy up AMD and SUN (frickin bargain - but bit risky) stock
'Be the change you want to see in the world' - Al Gore
i dont know about most of the world (well actually i do, but thats aside the point) i really do need (well, really, really, really want) a 3Ghz laptop. Wouldnt this be a wonderful world if i would run Maya 4.5 from my couch.... well, then again, the graphics card still couldnt handle well, but my video editors would run extra-super--lucky-fast!!!
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* Intel® Pentium® M Processor
* Intel® 855 chipset family
* Intel® PRO/Wireless network connection
Further explaining:
Does anybody have a link to more information about Ninnle Linux? I heard it's a distro for M68K.
Ok, someone OBVIOUSLY is spending entirely too much time downloading pr0n.
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According to this PR piece, it sounds like Intel is trying to do a similar thing: The Centrino name refers not just to the new processor, but to an integrated package including chipset and WLAN capabilities.
If Apple wants to crack the X86 market for OS X, this would be a good place for them to drive the wedge in. Because Intel is maintaining tighter-than-usual control over the hardware specification, Apple could port to X86 without spending the next decade writing hardware drivers. And Centrino could be (at least for awhile) the only platform available with OS X as an option. And finally, it would be possible to buy an OS X laptop with a built-in two-button bloody mouse!
"Research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing." -- Wernher von Braun
Intel will announce "Centrino with Wings, for those heavy flow days."
Trolling is a art,
AMD said several months ago they are getting out of the megahertz race and focusing on application of technology, meaning doing more with the die space instead of doing faster. Intel is now taking back leadership by...being sure to have a slower chip than AMD that does still MORE with the die space.
The speed race is over. You will continue to hear about who has the fastest, but it will be more "gee whiz" stuff than "I need that" because you just won't need it. Before long you won't be able to even FIND a retail desktop computer that runs over 2Ghz, and when you open the hood it will have ONE chip in it, right in the center of the logic board. In the end probably everything sold as a desktop system will have power consumption below that of today's laptop computers, power supplies the size of a deck of cards, no fan, 1.8 inch HDD, wireless input on all I/O (including the monitor) and the whole thing will fit in a pocket and run for an hour on a built-in backup UPS battery, thus finally bluring the distinction between what is a portable computer and what is not.
Think iPod on steroids, and yes you will use your "portable desktop Pee Cee" to listen to MP3s most of the time, using a wireless headset.
That's just the way it is going folk, because with all the price pressure that is where the profit will be. Besides, all that sounds tre kewl to me!
Give it...what? Two years? Now that the race has turned to "less is more" it might not even take that long. And to the winner go the spoils.
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Instead of simply running more rapidly, says Intel, its new laptop chip will result in better overall performance in real-world applications.
Joe: But this laptop runs faster and is cheaper!
Salesguy: Yeah, but this one performs better.
Joe: So faster is not better?
Salesguy: No... I mean yes! Ahh, screw you... next customer!
I think Joe Sixpacks will be very wary of shelling out more money for a lower clocked processors even if the latter ones perform better; and Intel has no one to blame for this but themselves.
Anyone know how can they say that a CPU chip will help wireless technology?
Isn't that up to the operating system and wireless ethernet card?
stunning. If AMD had released something that performs as well as their top end desktop processor but at half the clock speed, would it have been billed here as a "slower" processor? I don't think so.
What the hell are you talking about "Genius"?
Nearly everything you said is wrong or mis-informed.
MMX? Ya mean SSE/iSSE? Well it's AltiVec in PPC and it produces higher Blast numbers than Intel's.
Cost to clock cycle? PPC do more instructions pcc. How is this more $?
Embedded? Go open up a Mac and look. The CPUs are not embedded.
Servers? Have you looked at Xserve?
Christ on a moped! I used to work for Intel and I can't even defend anything you've said.
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Can't you already do that? I have a nice 2.5GHz laptop (desktop chip, not mobile) with a GeForce4 Go video chipset. That should be more than enough to run Maya in comfort, or any of your video editors. The only problem I would have with it is doing graphical manipulation using a trackpad. Not fun. But a wireless mouse or a tablet would be perfect.
Now if only I didn't suck at art ...
Here is some better info about the 855 chipset and the rest of it.. Im not sure why this wasn't linked instead of a press release..
Toms Hardware
I always thought that those three priorities is why Intel bought the StrongArm technology. I've never been excited about a Transmeta laptop, or Athlon laptop. I'm just sitting back patiently waiting for a long lasting, no heat StrongArm based laptop. Not a PalmPC, a Laptop.
The LART people have even made headway towards an open hardware motherboard for it. Perhaps that will be my only hope. Give me Linux and a LART, and I'd love to make a truely cool tunable ECU w/onboard diagnosis for my car. I read recently where someone did that with a Apple Laptop.
Anyway, thats enough for my sigh/rant on the topic.
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lol, excellent commercial, it would be banned from american air waves, but then again, galileo was excommunicated, so genuis is never appreciated.
on a non-related note, the game on your journal rules - but it might be time for you to stop dling pr0n... just a thought.
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Just in case anyone was confused by the name, this is the processor that was codenamed Banias. Depending on when this product is publicly available, this could be the final straw for transmeta. Transmeta's Astro looks like a great product, but if the stronger Intel has the first mover advantage, Transmeta may be SOL.
...but I can't be the only girl who'd rather get hardware than flowers or chocolate.
Can I?
If you had the newer, slower chip, you wouldn't have gotten the first post. Because, as we all know, Intel chips make the Internet go faster.
The "Centrino" which was previously known by the codename "Banias" is the first ever CPU Intel has designed specifically for mobile computing.
It's the combination of the a mutant P3 with the quad-pumped P4 bus, SSE2, lots of power-saving tricks, and an assload of L2 cache (1MB!).
From the limited previews I have seen of it, these things are quite nice, especially with Intel combining the new CPU with mainboard built-in wireless networking adapter. They perform well, and do consume significantly less power than any other mobile chip (excluding the Transmeta CPU, as I have come to the conclusion that they never really existed outside of Japan. Have you seen one in North America?).
"Centrino" is now officially branded Pentium-M...a rather obvious naming strategy IMHO, but a good one. Look out next year, once Intel has its 90nm fabrication process up and running, we should see "Dothan" code-named CPUs...with 2MB L2 cache...mmm
Btw, this news story is old, Slashdot admins, pick up the slack!
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I can't tell if the Centrino logo looks like a pink triangle or a broken heart.
There is a huge market for slower chips. Slower == less power. Less power is great for mobile computing where the foremost concern is battery life. The XScale is a good example of where slower is better. Why don't they just shrink 400mhz Pentiums and cram them into pocket pc's? Because the XScale uses a tiny fraction of the power that any Pentium uses.
Don't forget also that cooling is becoming a limiting factor in CPU design. Not everybody wants their computer to sound like a jet turbine or have water running through it. As "embedded" CPUs like the ARM and XScale get faster, you may start to see them in more traditionally "desktop" applications. Electricity is expensive and low power computers can save money.
And I still don't understand why everyone equates CLOCK RATE with SPEED. Do people think high frequency EM waves travel faster than slower ones, or something? There are have been MANY examples over the last 10 years of CPUs that get more done at a lower clock rate.
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you would think that would be plenty, but it really isn't, at least not for the complex and intricate parts of maya. You need a fully decked pc with at least a gf4 (preferably a quadro4) 3d studio max on the other hand should run well on a laptop with said specs.
as for the video editors, yeah, 2.5 is plenty of raw power, but then again, 2.5Ghz is far more than the average user needs. Though i am envious of your laptop.
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That is the worst pile of cr*p I have seen... Who the hell wants a pink and blue loveheart on their business laptop? Unless you are some kind of wireless pimp...
I knew Moore's Law would break eventurally, I guess I always hoped it would be by releasing a faster chip and not a slower one :P
-Jason
Everything I have read from Business Week sounds like marketing. This article is equivlant to the new blub I read there about a car company proving that its pickup trucks were rugged because some actor drove one in a movie. Of course this is marketing -- look at where the article appears.
I bet the new chip running at 1.6 GHz, will be marketed as Centrino 2000+.
I just bought a PowerBook (15", 1ghz, 1gb ddr, 64mb Radeon 9000, dvd burner) and it averages a couple hours on a full battery. I think a battery should last *at least* six hours. Otherwise it's not worth bothering.. but oh well...
The Centrino Brand is a combination of three main things.
- The new Banias processor
- The Montara 852/855 Chipset
- Integrated 802.11b
This means that mobile computer makers can make new lighter, faster, cheaper, and colder laptops.Centrino computers are designed for Mobile features, which doesn't always neccesarily mean speed. Banias runs colder than comparable processors from Intel, it has a host of new features to support all the crazy things laptops want to do (Better power management, bus control, hotkey support, more feature rich graphics etc...)
Intel is trying to jump on the new Mobile computing pattern. There is less and less of a focus on the absolute fastest processor and more of a focus on different ways (espeically easier ways) of using your computer. I mean who really uses all of their cpu cycles on a 3Ghz P4 with HT anyway (some people but not most)?
When wireless really picks up and people have reliable, quick, super lightweight laptops that can easily fit in a backpack or briefcase sales might pickup like Intel hopes.
Cool, what will we get in 40 years? Do we get the ENIAC back? Now _that_ is what I call a computer. Woohoo!
Except this time it will stand for Experimental Nanotechnical Ion-Antimatter Chip.
Eventually, we'll get quantum computers. They'll only run at 1 Hz or less, but you'll be surprised what they can do.
Heck, it's not like anyone needs more than 640k of RAM either.
So the bottleneck is the video card, rather than the CPU? I don't really see how .5GHz could make that much of a difference these days (man, and I'm still running a p200mmx and a celeryonion 433MHz).
Don't be :) It cost me an arm and a leg, and I only get about 2 hours of battery time out of it. I probably would've been wiser to go with a 2.0GHz mobile P4 and spend the extra money on a UXGA screen (though the 16" 1280x1024 LCD on my laptop is pretty damned sweet, if not very portable). However, for that arm and leg I did get "built-in" (mini-PCI card) wireless, removeable wireless keyboard and mouse (I've since lost the mouse, though the laptop is less than three months old :), 16" screen, fast processor, etc. I'm happy, but could've gotten by with much less.
change that to "the although-you-don't-need-3ghz-HT-laptops...it'd-sti ll-be-nice-especially-with-a-small-carry-along-car -battery dept.."
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...they're trying to be more like Apple! What a GENIUS plan!
No, seriously...where is this going to get them? They've been flaunting the MHz myth like mad for at least 5 years now. Is the fact that the processor is "more efficient" going to get those who make purchasing decisions based solely upon processor "speed" (in MHz) to buy this new chip?
Somehow, I think this will ultimately lead to the downfall of the MHz myth. With CISC and RISC being so neck-and-neck (at different MHz though) in terms of relative speed, there will be a "revolution" of sorts. Bare with me here...
This revolution I speak of is simply that of measuring the actual real-world processor speed -- not just clock speed. People will soon realize that the MHz measurement isn't all it's talked-up to be. Apple, IBM, and Motorola have known this since 1994 with the introduction of the RISC-based PowerPC processor architecture. No wonder Intel (in all of it's wisdom) is finally catching up.
The future brings savvier PC purchasers who see MHz as just that -- clock speed. It will be interesting to see what happens if this trend continues...
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It looks like the impression that would be left if someone pressed their nekkid butt against a glass door. Does that kind of thing happen a lot in Oregon or something?
Intel's big problem is the binary compatibility they've stuck with since the 80x86 (more or less). Binary compatibility was important because so much programming was necessary at the assembler level that changing the chipset was prohibitive. This has kept a bad chipset in commission long, long after it should have died.
But then, if you can successfully market clock speed as the sole measure of performance, why bother offering something better?
I guess now we know what happens when you exceed Moore's law - you wrap around to the opposite side of the continuum.
However, I sure am disgusted that with all the talking they did they mentioned only ONE name... Susan Sarandon. She is one of the most disgusting, hypocritical, elitists around. I am curious now if the mini series will be full of small children having sex and posing in obviously sexual poses. Disgusting monster.
It seems that now, Intel is attempting to drive into Apple's and others main selling point, that is a slower, more efficient computer. So why can't Apple do the opposite?
.85 for Intel's hyperthreading.
Take their new powermac line, the one with the dual 1.43 Ghz processors, and up the numbers in comparison with Intel's chips
Figuring a 20:7 ratio for operations per cycle between Intel and Apple, that comes out to about 2.85. Knock off
(1.43*2=[2.86])
Multiply that by about 1.5 due to the dual processors
(2.86*1.5=[4.29])
Hey Presto, if Apple advertised like that i'm pretty sure that they could sell more units, comprable to intel.
This is the new mobil technology I was waiting for.
remind me to put my old 486 processors on Ebay.
Isn't this what women want? A lover who is slower, but does more ....
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So, thanks, but no thanks.
The system has three chips-CPU, Chipset, and wireless that are optimized to work together. This allows them to use power management at the hardware level with better results than just throwing something together. You can buy them seperately, but they really want you to get the whole package!
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When are we going to get that blasted 'turbo' button back? You know - the one that reduces processor speed so we can play Space War at sane speeds.
Oh... wait...
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which states that moore's law may not be accurate? I would link to it but I have the new better slower chip... I just dont have the processing power. Its not a dupe story is it?
So Intel introduce a new chip that underperforms the best Celeron, I mean we all know its the Mhz that count right? Well that was the reason NOT to buy AMD, so it will be really interesting to see how Intel markets this chip.
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All I've heard over the last several years is that WiFi is inherently insecure, even with 128-bit encryption. From all of this it seems trivial to conclude that 802.11 wireless technology is inappropriate for secure networking.
And yet, Intel is rolling out notebooks which are, by default, insecure at the core of it's Architecture.
It seems very clear that there is really no interest by the Industries of America to support Computer Security in any inherently secure system. They will sell us crappy hardware that can't be made secure and then attempt to sell us extensive and expensive quantities of software to ensure that our inherently insecure computers pretend to be secure on the surface.
I would have hoped that someone in the industry would have not only figured it out, but embraced the idea of making something secure by design besides the *BSD's and Linux. But it seems that this concept is still the exclusive property of the Open Source movement and is not yet embraced by Corporate America.
When will the Open Source people start making, or specing out, their own hardware?
There is no new pipelining. There are no new instructions. The CPU is tightly coupled with a video chip, but that's usually not a productivity bottleneck. The CPU is also tightly coupled with a WiFi chip, but that's usually not a productivity bottleneck either. So I guess I'm missing the point. Are we talking ANY performance/productivity gains or simply battery life improvements?
With the celeron?
I would really like to see this aggressive power management available for non-laptop boards.
I currently use a VIA C3 running at 800MHz for my Linux server doing a bunch of tasks ( firewall, VPN, WWW, SMTP, FTP, NTP, Samba, NFS, MySQL/PHP, Answering Machine, etc.). The C3 is about as fast as a Celeron 500MHz. But, it uses very little power and runs cool enough to use only a passive heat sink. With a quiet Seagate Barracuda hard drive, and a quiet power supply fan, the system is nearly silent - which is great in my small apartment.
I would like to be able to use a processor that idled down 90% of the time when it was doing very little. For those few tasks that need CPU horsepower, it could go up to it's 1.6GHz potential, and turn on cooling fans if needed.
Power / Heat / Noise savings apply to the desktop too!
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... lately I've just been finding it incredibly hard to keep up with my fast processor.
thank you intel for finally giving me something slower.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Odd, but hasn't the world of alcoholic beverages undergone a lot more upheaval than the world's major world religions?
Beer seems all but unheard of two thousand years ago, and I wager that "wine" from the time before that bore little resemblance to what we have today...
but don't get me wrong. "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." (Ben Franklin)
ive never run win2k on anything but amd and it r0x0rs
unless you are running servers, what is the athlon64 gonna get ya ?
no the pentium 4M is in most laptops not the pentium M. They are two totally differant arcitectures.
They're on sale here.
Mobile: hell yeah. You could pick up one of these, then pick your nose and you'd weigh less.
Powerful: Well, being able to digitise full frame, broadcast quality DV and render some effects in realtime (more effects as you up the cpu speed).
Efficient with batteries: 5 hours on one battery, if you're careful (ie, not burning dvds all the time, or playing Quake 3, or Warcraft or something).
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[Intel calls StrongARM processors] XScales now, and they are very popular in networking equipement and PDAs.
But when will we see an XScale processor based computer in a laptop form factor?
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play with my tool if you want ;-)
Anyone know how can they say that a CPU chip will help wireless technology?
What about putting the CPU and NIC on one die, as Intel seems to plan to do in a future version of Centrino technology?
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Let's consider the market for lighter laptops in general.
Most users will use these smaller form factor laptops with programs like Microsoft Office and for lighter-duty Internet access. The thing is that with this market in mind it's not neccessary to run the fastest CPU available, since business applications and Internet access doesn't require the latest and fastest computer hardware out there. A 1.6 GHz CPU laptop with Centrino technology with 512 MB of system RAM running even Windows XP Professional is far more than fast enough for the general smaller form factor laptop user.
With Centrino technology, laptop manufacturers can build extremely light (yet fully functional) laptops that are pretty much guaranteed to run with most software out there, yet have quite long battery life. Centrino technology is going to be bad news for Transmeta, that's to be sure.
As "embedded" CPUs like the ARM and XScale get faster, you may start to see them in more traditionally "desktop" applications.
Hasn't ARM architecture on the desktop already happened?
But unless a new non-x86 architecture can run the latest PC games, and run them at full speed (i.e. not through Bochs), the public probably won't flock to it.
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If my application doesn't use more than 60% of the power of one of the low power chips yet has a requirement of long battery life, I'm idiotic to use an Intel anything! Off-loading mpeg decoding or other processor intensive tasks to a task specific chip and reduce cpu load and cpu requirements.
Kinda like using a sledgehammer to pound in a finishing nail. Both will do the job but which one is less likely to cause unwanted side effects? (ie smashed fingers)
I wager that "wine" from the time before that bore little resemblance to what we have today...
Uh-huh. So how, exactly, have the principles of fermentation changed over the past few thousand years? Oh, and incidentally, go and look up "zythum" somewhere. Roman beer (well ale, technically, but I don't expect a USian to be able to tell the difference).
When you can run WindowsXP on an XScale
Don't Pocket PC applications already look enough like Windows XP applications? And doesn't Pocket PC OS already run on XScale processors? (Or was this your point?)
I think what On Lawn wanted was a laptop computer that runs either RISC OS or Pocket PC OS or both.
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Curiosu to know what brand the laptop is?
I would have said: "The logo, featuring a colour chosen at random from the MS Word colour picker, and a shape designed by our women's razor departmen, suggests absorbancy, cleanliness and ads featuring men in white jackets."
Uh-huh. So how, exactly, have the principles of fermentation changed over the past few thousand years?
Fermentation has changed as much--well, more, actually--as politics, language, or religion has changed.
Sure, the fundamentals are same--we all speak using groups of phenomes, we all have some of us making decisions for the rest of us, and we all wonder about what's out there--but there's a heck of a difference between Romulus and Remus and George W. Bush.
Oh, and incidentally, go and look up "zythum" somewhere. Roman beer (well ale, technically, but I don't expect a USian to be able to tell the difference).
It's American, Eurotrash. (Hey, you get to malign my country, I get to malign your free market.)
You respond to my posting of "wine and beer have changed" with a quip about the difference between Beer and Ale? Do I even need to respond to that?
Interchangeable parts, thermometers, and refrigeration have changed beer and wine as much as any other aspect of society.
Oddly enough, all the grand Age of Reason did to my religion was slap it back to where it was just after The Man died. "Beer and Wine don't change" indeed.
...The 'Quadrino', followed closely by the 'PowerPeecino'.
:(
Man, I remember that old PowerPc 601 - That thing ROCKED back in its day! Now, mine's got a 240MHz G3 card inside, and an external 2GB SCSI drive.
I want to migrate all my stuff to an ebook laptop, but can find no good way to do it.
Anyone know where I can find the 10-base-T adaptor for the old 6100? It's got a built-in AAUI-15 port (I THINK, not totally sure about the '15' bit). Any way to hook the old SCSI drive to the ebook would also be a good way of moving files. Any success stories?
Thanks in advance,
I can just see the next generation of game requirements. :D
OS: No later than 3.1 windows
Internet Connection Speed: 2400 bps or lower
CPU: 486 or lower
etc.
Brilliant move. Now we know what they are gonna do with all that surplus outdated hardware
Coincidence?
Well, I hope this gets me a better laptop. I've got a PIII 700 MHz laptop - but it weighs less than 3 pounds. There are no other laptops in this weight range with a much faster processor.
I want a faster laptop, but I *LOVE* the weight, and don't want to give it up. If this chip/chipset/form factor can squeeze into a laptop under 3 pounds, I'll buy it.
How apple can dope people into thinking that Macs are just as fast as PCs in terms for performance is beyond me.
Buy a Mac because it has OS X, buy it because you like the low power consumption, the overall design and the unique style. Don't buy it because you think that it's faster.
Application benchmarks.
How Macs are faster than PCs and other lies.
Benchmarks.
Where were they, later, when the hired goons were beating on your kidneys? :-)
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
...actually means "doily", usually made with the crochet.
Here's the
Translation and two examples.
Wow! What an insight! I've _NEVER_ heard that at the release of a new technological product! Incredible!
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_Nvidia unveils new chip with lower resolution_
"It works blindingly fast.", says the company spokesman.
Have any of you nerd wannabes read enough of the article to figure out that the whole point of this device isn't performance, but including WiFi on the same chip, using special processes.
What a bunch of dorks.
btw, those egyptians invented beer, ya dig.
but don't get me wrong, i used to do LARPG gaming, there's no shame in it, and i admit it freely.
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." - Rahm Emanuel
Ahh, a girl, whadda we do?
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
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Toshiba Satellite 1955-S803. For this one, "laptop" is a bit of a misnomer -- it's really more like a portable desktop replacement. Though, I have sat it on my lap while using it before, and it works well enough. It was a bitch finding a decent case that would fit the thing. The one I found is still just a bit too small, but I can cram it in there and it works well enough for now.
You've not answered my question. In what way has the basic idea of letting grape juicy go foosty and ferment changed? Have grapes changed? Has yeast changed? Is either fructose or ethanol different?
check out the specs on iBooks and Powerbooks:
www.apple.com/ibook
www.apple.com/powerbook
VERY powerful, VERY portable, and the best battery life in the industry.
Why people seem to say that Intel markets mhz. They don't. Look at their ads! It's silly aliens, the blue man group, and so on. None of it talks about mhz at all. They continue to push their chips to higher and higher mhz (like every one else) because, supprise, the same chip core at higher mhz will be faster.
Now, many consumers have the perception that higher mhz = faster chip, but I've certianly never seen Intel market that. I think the perception comes form the Old Days(tm) of PCs where Intel chips were the fastest. Also, mhz upgrades didn't come that often and were usually pretty major. Let me tell you, my friend's 66mhz blew my 33mhz away. That perception remains to a large degree today, even though it is no longer as valid as it once was.
However blaming Intel for marketing it is silly. AMD, Cyrix, and the like are the ones that do mhz marketing in the form of their PR numbers. It is an artifical system designed to increase the perception of the speed of the chip. MHz is not a marketing trick, it's a fact. It is the speed at which a given chip cycles, or a given radio carrier wave is, or an osillicope samples, and so on. It's a simple statement of fact about the chip, nothing more nothing less.
I've never seen Intel market mhz, at least not in receant memory, and it's certinly not like they are lying about them. Consumer perception is a whole different matter.
If you're like most gamers, and all you care about is having the best framerate possible, you're going to want the fastest possibly CPU. Or to use your analagy, a hammer that not only pounds in a finishing nail but crushes coal into diamonds as well. If you can afford the extra $30 for a quality powersupply and the extra $20 for a quality heatsink/fan, why not overclock your CPU into the realm of boiling water and frying eggs? Why get a beowulf cluster of Crusoe's when you can just get a P4 with a jet engine on top of it for half the price and complexity?
I don't. Everyone I knows doesn't. What I want is a smooth experience that does what I wan't.
There really aren't many uses for 3.0GHz laptops for day to day browsing. Even game playing with a half decent graphics chip doesn't need it. Games consoles will replace desktops for gaming in the next couple of years anyway.
A 1.6Ghz that was smoother and quieter in terms of end user experience would be an great improvement. Any added instruction sets the make is smoother and quieter would be great as long as they don't over do it - I've not read the spec so I can't comment on Intels take on this.
Myself, I'll be keeping an eye on laptops coming using this technology.
I wonder if TCPA will be included.
Books say that it is not how fast your cycle is, it is how much you can do per cycle (and how well you do it). But this is NOT the case with Wintel. For all I care, they can put girls jumping on tramplins on every goddamn CPU that they make and it will still suck. Intel seems to work on thier CPUs the same way a couple of guys next door work on their civics; both of them want to make something slow to go fast. You do not have to go very far to see that x86 has inherit bugs that one can fix only by a complete redesign that has not been done since the first x86 was realease. All they do is patch their chips and mark them differently. If Intel and really wanted to get a better chip they would do what Apple has done to its old chips: throw the design away and start from scratch. But then again, its all about marketing and a box that says "includes a videochip on CPU for better game experiences" reads much better than "now with a CPU that includes vector processing" to an average joe.
To this day, the combination of white/cyan/magenta make me want to puke.
Beer was "heard of" way more than 2000 years ago. The recipe has changed quite a bit (hops were unheard of back then) but a fermented malt beverage has been a staple through most of human history.
You can only drink 30 or 40 glasses of beer a day, no matter how rich you are.
-- Colonel Adolphus Busch
Hmmm, although some people recognized this as old news, nobody seems to have read the Tom's Hardware's Guide article comparing 1.6GHz Pentium-M with a Pentium 4-M 2.2GHz
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... VERY interesting article, read it, and it should leave you drooling for one of those laptops ...
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20030205/index
I'll only say that under most applications P-M beats P4-M, maybe because of it's 1Mb cache and design changes
This is in reaction to Transmeta. Intel is basically saying that the chip designers and the Linus guy who works on Linux are on the right track with the low power, code morphing, and long battery life stuff. The speed race was very important for almost ALL application up to about 1 GHz (don't fault Intel or AMD for the speed race of the last decade it was needed). Now more factors come into play, while speed will still be important for many apps, it will come in different forms such as blades, dual procs, etc. I own shares in Transmeta, I think they have a bright future.
God Bless America and our Troops!
Onward to the Aether Sphere!
The idea of ethanol changing is just laughable. I mean a clearly defined molecular structure which can be identified will remain the same as long as the identification procedure remains the same..
Unfortunately, for your argument, that is about all that made sense in your post. Grapes and pretty much any fruit/vegetable/animal that has been cultivated by mankind has changed quite a bit in a thousand years, and even more if you are going back to the creation of the first alcoholic beverage. All of the better vineyards will actually have several different specific strains of grapes for each "wine." These grapes have been manipulated for quite awhile, and on top of that there have even been advances on such things as fertilizer and pesticides that have changed the consistancy/flavor/color of wines.
You could also follow this argument with "yeast." The production of which has become quite a large market. And believe it or not there are several different varieties of those little yeasty beasties each of which will produce a different flavor/color/alcoholic content. Even the storage production of yeast has changed immensely.
Now if you want to discuss the finer points of beer well then yes, that has changed also. We no longer "cook" most varieties of "beer," pressure is closely regulated, stored in different containers etc. etc etc...
Shockingly enough our world has changed over time. And if you compare different fermented beverages overtime you can tell the difference. But i am sure that this post was redundant especially with your cultivated european pallet.
sincerly,
a humble citzen of the country that made sure
you didnt have to learn to speak german
a humble citzen of the country that made sure
you didnt have to learn to speak german
See, comments like that are why people are flying planes into your buildings. America did very little to help Europe in WW2, until it was far too late to do any good. Now, you wonder why France and Germany don't want to go to war with Iraq? Incidentally, Tony Blair is the only UKian who wants a war with Iraq. The rest of us want to point *our* missiles at the US. Not that we don't trust you, but, y'know... Just - because.
you're wrong about wine - the yeast used to ferment the grape must is naturally present on the skin of the grape, and most fine wines DO NOT ALLOW the use of pesticides in their production.
...and German should always be capitalised, citzen.
I expect that the Romans had access to some very good and fairly familiar wines.
That was classic intercourse!
Well, it may be lower power, and more efficient at processing instructions, however, I won't believe it until I see some independent 3rd party benchmarks with actual machines. After all the itanic was supposed to emulate x86 in hard at virtually the same speed as an actual x86 chip of the same clock rating as the emulating itanic, plus the itanic instruction set/design showed some promise until it was taken over by a design-by-committee, hence I have my doubts re Centrino.
IMHO Intel is only surviving on inertia right now, otherwise they'd have produced an actually good new architecture to replace the hacked/kludged up POS x86 architecture by now. (Or at least dropped more of the backward compatibility in the interests of better designs.)
...if people compared vehicles the same way they compare computers (using RPMs instead of using horsepower).
-- "At Microsoft, quality is job 1.1" -- PC Magazine, Nov. 1994
Clock speed != performance
-- Leeeter than leet
America did very little to help Europe in WW2, until it was far too late to do any good.
Lend/lease, anyone? Your UK probably would have fallen without our help, buddy. The US sent a few supplies to the Soviets, too, when they were running short. And then helped out a little with that whole D-Day thing....
'Your brain is God.' -- Dr. Timothy Leary
AMD's answer to the Centrino is... the Lehmon XP.
Ok, it's a bad joke, but someone had to do it.
RMN
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no real cars.
Maybe you're thinking of Colma, CA. Its main business is cemetaries. I've heard the dead residents outnumber the living by 750 to 1.
That's as may be. But had America got its lazy arse going about six months earlier, and helped *before* Rommel's mob trundled all over the French like learner drivers over traffic cones - when you were asked - it could possibly have made things a bit easier. But oh, no... Sit with your thumbs up your arses until the Japanese get involved.
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Make up your mind -- is it your suggestion that America should or should not be quick to go to war? You've supported both theories so far. (This is part where I am not sure if you are a moron unable to recognize this fact, or simply a hypocrite if your own interests are at stake.)
The P3 800 does NOT outperform a P4 1.6, As I happens, I own both those processors. The P3 800 was what I used to use, the P4 1.6 is what I use now. The 1.6 is much, MUCH faster. Even with worst-case scenario, unoptimised software, it still is faster than the P3 800. With new software that is SSE2 optimised like games or more espically audio processors it just smokes. There are some audio plugins that it runs at over 4 times the speed with.
Get a clue.
Read the specs...
Because of where I work and what I do...I've already gotten a chance to play around with these some.
Let's just say, this isn't your father's pentium. These things smoke...and I don't mean like an AMD with a bad fan.
The 1mb L2 cache and the architecture make this the fastest, most efficient portable computer CPU in the world.
OK, let's go back to around 1940. Erwin Rommel has just sent the Panzers through the the north of France, and it's all looking a bit messy. There are indications that they're heading towards Holland. Meanwhile, Mussolini is making overtures to the Germans - doesn't want invaded at all, but he certainly doesn't want invaded by force.
Now at this point, Roosevelt was asked if the US would perhaps help out. He declined. In 1941, when the German invaded the Soviet Union, it was pointed out that if they took the whole country they'd be in a great position to attack the west coast of the US. Still no dice.
It took until the Japanese got upset, and destroyed the naval base at Pearl Harbour before the US jumped up screaming for vengeance. Sound familiar? Up until this point, the US was neutral, and was supplying kit to Allies and Axis alike. Still sounding familiar?
The thing is, these problems were pointed out well in advance. Your government (let's not fall into the trap of saying "you" meaning the American people, because then it sounds like an ad-hominem attack) never seems to shut the stable until the horse is long gone, and by then someone has stolen the door.