Call me stupid if you like, but what exactly is the issue for which the Debian project's choice of packaging technology is a problem? For that matter, for what is the issue for which the manner in which Debian is handled as a social project is a problem?
I figured you must agree strongly with what you bolded, so it pains me to be the one to tell you it doesn't make much sense.
In my little world, there is no problem with Debian's choice of software packaging technology. The only `problem' is their insistance that, when they say sarge is ready and stable, it really is. Mostly stable and 90% ready won't cut it because lying to end users is a good way to lose them.
Ubuntu is seen as claiming basis on Debian's system, and then breaking compatibility. This can easily be construed (perhaps incorrectly) as antisocial, though it could simply be an unintentional side effect of some improvement they initiated. However, intimating afterwards that compatibility isn't broken (or, just as bad, just not mentioning it) is antisocial.
All software libre efforts are social projects. The only difference in this regard betweend Debian and other distributions is that Debian has made it so fucking explicit that you almost have to be deliberately obtuse to miss it. The Debian project team seems committed to having 'stable' mean stable, 'testing' mean not stable, and 'unstable' mean "Don't say we didn't warn you", and having those definitions be true at all times. Note what I said about lying to end users earlier.
You're new here, aren't you? I see one of two possibilities:
1) You've never read the GNU Public License, the Artistic License, etc.
2) You're a twit
3) Some other possibility (I lack imagination, but I am occasionally receptive to insight)
If (1) is the case, go read the GPL now, before anything else. If you find the GPL unclear, gnu.org also has a valuable FAQ that makes it painfully obvious what's going on. I have released exactly one program under the GPL. It's nothing fancy, but I wrote it for a person in a -position- within an organization, and was paid well for my effort. The person in that position changes once in a while. They have to munge data whose format changes outside of their control. Not only do I not want to spend any more time on it, I may not be around when they need it changed next. I also don't want them to be without a (hopefully) useful tool, and I know I'm not the only Perl programmer around. I have reserved all rights in that software, and one of the things I chose to do with my rights was formally and conditionally grant some of those rights to the user. If I say Charles is allowed to change it wtihout consulting me, what right do you have to stop him from changing it, or me from granting such? None. Why? It's my property.
I wrote it. I don't have to (nor am I going to) tell you what it does, or how. How proprietary is that? They're free to change it, and they don't have to tell you what they changed, or why. However, if they decide to share it with you (and I have conditionally given them that privilege) they must indicate any changes they have made BECAUSE I SAID SO. Shiva H. Vishnu, what more can I do to make this thing proprietary?
If (2) is the case...let's not try to go there. I'm not fond of thinking such thoughts. (3) is preferable.
No thanks. I don't donate to people who claim to own data.
They also make no mention of license terms or client source availability.
...so I hope you can forgive my misunderstanding. But then you said,
Two different pieces of software.
Now, re-reading the physorg article, I note that "Einstein@Home searches data from the US Laser Interferometer Gravitational wave Observatory (LIGO)... ". From the Einsten@home page, I follwed the link 'Getting started' and the instructions said,
* Create an account....
* Download and install BOINC....
That's it.
So I'm not sure how you got the idea that there are two separate pieces of software. What did I miss?
You shoud try digging before making unsubstantiated claims.
They also make no mention of license terms or client source availability.
They say quite explicitly on the download page
(did you read the page beyond the list of the most common binaries?) that the source code is available, and if you bothered to download and inspect the source code, main.C (I can't say why they used an uppercase c) clearly indicates distribution under GPL. +4. Mods must be just choking back the Marleys
You lack imagination.
A gun makes a VERY effective cudgel. Also, you can (with practice) shoot to lame instead of shoot to kill. And stay off my neighbour's lawn, too.
It's more like pesterware. The basic version is free, but they're always trying to sell you the more enhabnced version. Kind of like a door-to-door salesman that keeps coming back. The trick of setting the clock forward and then back is an ugly kludge for an ugly problem.
Clearly, either you (and everyone you know) have got a red X beside your name or I have a flashing green neon -ok- sign beside mine, because I have NEVER been asked for an address where I will be staying when entering the USA. I have been asked (by INS agents) for my passport, why I'm going there, how long I'm going to be there, and how much loot I have on me.
I have never been asked such questions by employees of airline companies (well, they do want to know what city I'm going to:) ), and if I had, I'd be trying to make a bigger stink than Cory is trying to.
I have yet to have incentive to go to the US since that fateful day your nation was finally exposed to the kind of terrorism that the rest of the civilized world lives with. I used to go regularly as a youngster (thank you, Shriner's Hospitals!), and I am not, nor have ever been, a citizen of the USA.
Mods: don't mark something informative if you aren't informed about the topic.
One glaring oversight in your otherwise fair assessment. Every case of communism in practice has been a poverty-laden murder-fest
Cuba. So there. Some capitalist economies (US, UK, Canada, France, & c.) have so much poverty you should be hanging your head in shame to advocate it.
Capitalism is forced on people down the barrel of a gun, too. Think about it.
Not sure if you spotted this tidbit
Mozilla project recommends
avoiding
c++ libraries.
almost 20 minutes before you posted. so here's the question: is mozilla a "C++ app"?
from hitting the floor. this is so fundamentally wrong on so many levels that it boggles the mind. clearly, politicians aren't being bought by multinationals any more. they're being bought by construction firms.
I feel the need to challenge a point (maybe two): You said,
2. Voting is tabulated and verified by state and local government employees.
You are wrong. Your votes are now tabulated and verified by programs written without genuine public audit, by private companies with thinly veiled intent to alter the outcome of your elections. As Joseph Stalin pointed out not so long ago, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Your assertion that the equipment is "obviously flawed" is way out in left field. The equipment is fine; the problem is that the operaters are, effectively, -not- local government officials or volunteers..
This slashdot is just too funny.
Even -after- I get flamed for my poorly thought out post (complete with factual errors and faulty reasoning) , -and- admit that I'm wrong, my original reply gets modded to +5. I guess the mods just didn't read my PS. very carefully.
djoham, that your post is at only +2 a.t.m. is proof that the crack problem has not gone away.
(Sorry, hit the submit button before i was finished. Don't let cats walk on your desk when posting. It's worse than whiskey)
My education includes physics, also. Let's not get into a DSW, kay? 50 % change I'll lose, 50% chance you'll lose and no-one's going to be entertained here. First off, I have gone through the post you ref'd, and i don't know what flash file you are talking about, unless it's the links off of the snopes page.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_7 57_plane_evidence.html is a marvelous piece of distraction, expecially with the poorly done layout - it references pictures, but doesn't provide links to many of the pictures - or perhaps mozilla doesn't display links any more? Yes, the one hole is about the right size for a 757 fuselage. Are you going to tell me that two Rolls Royce (or Pratt & Whitney, I LOVE how the dude misspelled that as Witney) turbine engines travelling at 400+ mph bounced off the pentagon?
As for http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/11 0804factsstraight.htm... The page goes to considerable length to debunk one proponent of a theory who uses poor methodology (Meyssan). If I say 2 + 2 = 4 because 4 is two less than six, you can freely call me a wingnut with no grasp of logic or math, , but you can't say my conclusions are correct or incorrect on that basis.
As for snopes..
the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior
How much glue do you have to huff to forget that this thing is travelling at 400 mph, or (more properly) about 175 metres per second forward?
In your referenced post, you say that if the government is responsible for the Pentagon, it is responsible for all of 911. This is a textbook example of a non-sequiter. You also ridicule the idea of the government deliberately killing 3000 people to justify military action in the mideast, ending with "Give me a break". I got some bad news... military folk have long planned such horrible things. If you think "Nobody could be that cold", think again. There -are- people that evil. As Slayer said, "We're all expendable" [ in their eyes. ]
Welcome to my friends list. We disagree, but I don't see you being half as mean about it as I am.
My education is in physics, also. Let's not get into a DSW, kay? 50 % change I'll lose, 50% chance you'll lose and no-one's going to be entertained here.
First off, I have gone through the post you ref'd, and i don't know what flash file you are talking about.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_7 57_plane_evidence.html is a marvelous piece of distraction, expecially with the poorly done layout - it references pictures, but doesn't provide links to many of the pictures - or perhaps mozilla doesn't display links any more? Yes, the one hole is about the right size for a 757 fuselage. Are you going to tell me that two Rolls Royce (or Pratt & Whitney, I LOVE how the dude misspelled that as Witney) turbine engines travelling at 400+ mph bounced off the pentagon?
A for http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/11 0804factsstraight.htm... The page goes to considerable length to debunk one proponent of a theory who uses poor methodology (Meyssan). If I say 2 + 2 = 4 because 4 is two less than six, you can freely call me a wingnut with no grasp of logic or math, , but you can't say my conclusions are correct or incorrect on that basis.
As for snopes
the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior
How much glue do you have to huff to forget that this thing is travelling at 400 mph, or (more properly) about 175 metres per second forward? (Are those links to the aforementioned crappy flash animation?)
In your referenced post, you say that if the government is responsible for the Pentagon, it is responsible for all of 911. This is a textbook example of a non-sequiter. You also ridicule the idea of the government deliberately killing 3000 people to justify military action in the mideast, ending with "Give me a break". I got some bad news... http://google.com/search?q=cuba+operation+northwoo ds they've long planned such horrible things. If you think "Nobody could be that cold", think again. I used to think so, but I was proved wrong.
daveschroeder, I can't comment on credit information intelligently, but you're a fucking idiot (hey, you started in with the swearing) if you think it was a passenger jet that crashed into the pentagon. Go back, -look- at the pictures, then look up the size of a 757. The next question you will ask is "But where is the wreckage of a plane?" If you say, "inside", then you might ask "Where is the hole that a plane that size would have to make to not be seen from outside?" It's simple, high school level physics.
And I'm sorry, but you'll have to wait longer for flu shots:)
Mods on crack much?
Most people already have their computers on anyways. It's not like anyone says, "Oh, I'll just fire up my computer to work on a distributed unit while I go to work." And if you want "good flops/Watt" in a CPU, go with PPC, dumbass.
If some shmuck sends me email with "fraudulent and untraceable routing information," is my liberty affronted? If so, why?... because I can't easily reply?
Oh, happy happy joy joy! How about I send you my amazing catalog of purple whiznits, but I send it collect using your pre-existing UPS account number?
Maybe your sense of liberty isn't affronted, but your sense of fair play should be. Normally, people don't pay to receive snail mail, but they do pay to receive email.
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Call me stupid if you like, but what exactly is the issue for which the Debian project's choice of packaging technology is a problem? For that matter, for what is the issue for which the manner in which Debian is handled as a social project is a problem?
I figured you must agree strongly with what you bolded, so it pains me to be the one to tell you it doesn't make much sense.
In my little world, there is no problem with Debian's choice of software packaging technology. The only `problem' is their insistance that, when they say sarge is ready and stable, it really is. Mostly stable and 90% ready won't cut it because lying to end users is a good way to lose them.
Ubuntu is seen as claiming basis on Debian's system, and then breaking compatibility. This can easily be construed (perhaps incorrectly) as antisocial, though it could simply be an unintentional side effect of some improvement they initiated. However, intimating afterwards that compatibility isn't broken (or, just as bad, just not mentioning it) is antisocial.
All software libre efforts are social projects. The only difference in this regard betweend Debian and other distributions is that Debian has made it so fucking explicit that you almost have to be deliberately obtuse to miss it. The Debian project team seems committed to having 'stable' mean stable, 'testing' mean not stable, and 'unstable' mean "Don't say we didn't warn you", and having those definitions be true at all times. Note what I said about lying to end users earlier.
Wowzers. Here I was thinking I was tolerant. From the article: Still comfortable? Not only are you an enemy, you're dumb by default.
You're new here, aren't you? I see one of two possibilities:
1) You've never read the GNU Public License, the Artistic License, etc.
2) You're a twit
3) Some other possibility (I lack imagination, but I am occasionally receptive to insight)
If (1) is the case, go read the GPL now, before anything else. If you find the GPL unclear, gnu.org also has a valuable FAQ that makes it painfully obvious what's going on. I have released exactly one program under the GPL. It's nothing fancy, but I wrote it for a person in a -position- within an organization, and was paid well for my effort. The person in that position changes once in a while. They have to munge data whose format changes outside of their control. Not only do I not want to spend any more time on it, I may not be around when they need it changed next. I also don't want them to be without a (hopefully) useful tool, and I know I'm not the only Perl programmer around. I have reserved all rights in that software, and one of the things I chose to do with my rights was formally and conditionally grant some of those rights to the user. If I say Charles is allowed to change it wtihout consulting me, what right do you have to stop him from changing it, or me from granting such? None. Why? It's my property.
I wrote it. I don't have to (nor am I going to) tell you what it does, or how. How proprietary is that? They're free to change it, and they don't have to tell you what they changed, or why. However, if they decide to share it with you (and I have conditionally given them that privilege) they must indicate any changes they have made BECAUSE I SAID SO. Shiva H. Vishnu, what more can I do to make this thing proprietary?
If (2) is the case...let's not try to go there. I'm not fond of thinking such thoughts. (3) is preferable.
The essay looked pretty strong to me until it started looking pretty familiar
+4. Mods must be just choking back the Marleys
You lack imagination.
A gun makes a VERY effective cudgel. Also, you can (with practice) shoot to lame instead of shoot to kill. And stay off my neighbour's lawn, too.
If trying to compile it halted the system it would be fair to forgive that lack.
It's more like pesterware. The basic version is free, but they're always trying to sell you the more enhabnced version. Kind of like a door-to-door salesman that keeps coming back. The trick of setting the clock forward and then back is an ugly kludge for an ugly problem.
Clearly, either you (and everyone you know) have got a red X beside your name or I have a flashing green neon -ok- sign beside mine, because I have NEVER been asked for an address where I will be staying when entering the USA. I have been asked (by INS agents) for my passport, why I'm going there, how long I'm going to be there, and how much loot I have on me. :) ), and if I had, I'd be trying to make a bigger stink than Cory is trying to.
I have never been asked such questions by employees of airline companies (well, they do want to know what city I'm going to
I have yet to have incentive to go to the US since that fateful day your nation was finally exposed to the kind of terrorism that the rest of the civilized world lives with. I used to go regularly as a youngster (thank you, Shriner's Hospitals!), and I am not, nor have ever been, a citizen of the USA.
Mods: don't mark something informative if you aren't informed about the topic.
One glaring oversight in your otherwise fair assessment.
Every case of communism in practice has been a poverty-laden murder-fest
Cuba. So there. Some capitalist economies (US, UK, Canada, France, & c.) have so much poverty you should be hanging your head in shame to advocate it.
Capitalism is forced on people down the barrel of a gun, too. Think about it.
Not sure if you spotted this tidbit
Mozilla project recommends avoiding c++ libraries.
almost 20 minutes before you posted. so here's the question: is mozilla a "C++ app"?
from hitting the floor. this is so fundamentally wrong on so many levels that it boggles the mind. clearly, politicians aren't being bought by multinationals any more. they're being bought by construction firms.
Your assertion that the equipment is "obviously flawed" is way out in left field. The equipment is fine; the problem is that the operaters are, effectively, -not- local government officials or volunteers..
This slashdot is just too funny.
Even -after- I get flamed for my poorly thought out post (complete with factual errors and faulty reasoning) , -and- admit that I'm wrong, my original reply gets modded to +5. I guess the mods just didn't read my PS. very carefully.
djoham, that your post is at only +2 a.t.m. is proof that the crack problem has not gone away.
I sit corrected, djoham wasn't talking about HTML 4.0.
My original reply was way off. I missed the 'strict' part after 4.01. Sorry for the heat. You should see what the AC's said, made my ears turn red!
You are so right, he did say that. That'll teach me to post past bedtime.
1. 'target' is certainly part of standard html.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/frames.html#ad
Just because it isn't defined initially by the A tag doesn't mean the A tag can't use it.
2. From http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-frame-
PS. Hey mods, if you don't know about a subject, don't mark a post 'informative' just because there's a link in it.
My education includes physics, also. Let's not get into a DSW, kay? 50 % change I'll lose, 50% chance you'll lose and no-one's going to be entertained here. First off, I have gone through the post you ref'd, and i don't know what flash file you are talking about, unless it's the links off of the snopes page. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_
In your referenced post, you say that if the government is responsible for the Pentagon, it is responsible for all of 911. This is a textbook example of a non-sequiter. You also ridicule the idea of the government deliberately killing 3000 people to justify military action in the mideast, ending with "Give me a break". I got some bad news... military folk have long planned such horrible things. If you think "Nobody could be that cold", think again. There -are- people that evil. As Slayer said, "We're all expendable" [ in their eyes. ]
Welcome to my friends list. We disagree, but I don't see you being half as mean about it as I am.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_
A for http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/1
As for snopes How much glue do you have to huff to forget that this thing is travelling at 400 mph, or (more properly) about 175 metres per second forward? (Are those links to the aforementioned crappy flash animation?)
In your referenced post, you say that if the government is responsible for the Pentagon, it is responsible for all of 911. This is a textbook example of a non-sequiter. You also ridicule the idea of the government deliberately killing 3000 people to justify military action in the mideast, ending with "Give me a break". I got some bad news... http://google.com/search?q=cuba+operation+northwo
daveschroeder, I can't comment on credit information intelligently, but you're a fucking idiot (hey, you started in with the swearing) if you think it was a passenger jet that crashed into the pentagon. Go back, -look- at the pictures, then look up the size of a 757. The next question you will ask is "But where is the wreckage of a plane?" If you say, "inside", then you might ask "Where is the hole that a plane that size would have to make to not be seen from outside?" It's simple, high school level physics. :)
And I'm sorry, but you'll have to wait longer for flu shots
Mods on crack much?
Most people already have their computers on anyways. It's not like anyone says, "Oh, I'll just fire up my computer to work on a distributed unit while I go to work." And if you want "good flops/Watt" in a CPU, go with PPC, dumbass.
10b||~10b
0x3 ?
If some shmuck sends me email with "fraudulent and untraceable routing information," is my liberty affronted? If so, why?... because I can't easily reply?
Oh, happy happy joy joy! How about I send you my amazing catalog of purple whiznits, but I send it collect using your pre-existing UPS account number?
Maybe your sense of liberty isn't affronted, but your sense of fair play should be. Normally, people don't pay to receive snail mail, but they do pay to receive email.