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Serial Burglar Caught on Webcam

Metatron writes "The BBC is reporting about a serial burlgar caught after images recorded by a webcam were automatically emailed to an outside server. The evidence was made available to the police even though the computer itself had been stolen! This is also discussed on the victims own web site and the local newspaper in Cambridge." From the article: "I was relieved it did what I'd intended it to when I was burgled again. It was nice to catch him in the act - but it didn't stop him from stealing my things."

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  1. British Court system is FAST! by xmas2003 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    For those that don't RTFA, the burgler broke into his flat on Feb 4th, 2005 ... and was sentenced 11 days later on Feb 15; the Brit's don't mess around!

    Note that the Slashdot "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." certainly doesn't apply here ...

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    1. Re:British Court system is FAST! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      the burgler broke into his flat on Feb 4th, 2005 ... and was sentenced 11 days later on Feb 15; the Brit's don't mess around!

      If the US Court System had a case with similar evidence, I doubt it would take them more than a couple of weeks, either. This is for two reasons: Our system of law borrows heavily from the English system; and this is purely a case of burglary. It is not something complex, like corporate fraud.

    2. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      For those that don't RTFA, the burgler broke into his flat on Feb 4th, 2005 ... and was sentenced 11 days later on Feb 15; the Brit's don't mess around!

      Yeah, but if the guy who set up the webcam had actually been in the house and tried to stop the burglar, he'd be the one in jail, at least until recently.

      It looks like someone hit Britain with a clue stick, finally. UK law lets homeowners kill intruders

    3. Re:British Court system is FAST! by R.Caley · · Score: 3, Informative
      For those that don't RTFA, the burgler broke into his flat on Feb 4th, 2005 ... and was sentenced 11 days later on Feb 15; the Brit's don't mess around!

      The guy plead guilty, so the whole thing would have been shoved through fast by agreement with both sides.

      For stats nerds: the average is 66 days, 57 for non-jury cases.

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    4. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ? Nothing's changed here. The law stands as it always has done.

    5. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but if the guy who set up the webcam had actually been in the house and tried to stop the burglar, he'd be the one in jail, at least until recently.

      Only if he'd, say, tied him up and set fire to him, or shot him dead when he was running away.

      You are allowed to use reasonable force to repel intruders, and always have been.

    6. Re:British Court system is FAST! by DanBrusca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not the case. We've always been able to use 'reasonable force' to deal with burglars. The law hasn't changed at all.

    7. Re:British Court system is FAST! by radish · · Score: 1

      I think you're the one in need of a cluestick. The law allows you to use whatever force is needed to prevent the criminal committing the crime, but no more. If someone tries to steal your TV, then stabbing them with a kitchen knife is not allowed - it's an over reaction. If they come at you with a knife - then you can do what the hell you like.

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    8. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      The Brits also don't use the apostrophe to make a plural. I mean, if you're gonna write Brit's, why don't you write picture's?

      It's a good thing we're not British, 'cuz I'd send your ass to jail for that!

    9. Re:British Court system is FAST! by paganizer · · Score: 1

      In Kentucky, we are allowed to use reasonable force, also.
      And, to date, we still have the tools (firearms) to do so.
      AT my Tennessee house, direct quote from the deputy last summer: "try to make sure the rounds don't hit the neighbors houses. Oh, and if he falls out the door, make sure to drag him back in before you call us".

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    10. Re:British Court system is FAST! by arivanov · · Score: 1

      It is not a question of messing or not messing around.

      1. The burglar did not have a decent lawyer and was a prime example of genuine stupidity

      2. I suspect that the victim did not have his cameras registered and signposted according to the data protection act and the rules for applying it. Now, it was the guy private residence so there is a question if the rules apply, but IANAL so I would rather not get there. I strongly suspect that the defence did not take any advantage of the fact and if it took and pressed it though the burglar would have been drinking a pint in the Baker's Arse and planning the next run.

      3. The interesting bit here is that the system used is likely to have been GNU Motion (which means the machine running linux). He even left the thing running in debug mode where it shows the rectangle where the motion was picked up.

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    11. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If someone tries to steal your TV, then stabbing them with a kitchen knife is not allowed - it's an over reaction."

      100% correct, but would kicking him in the nuts count as an overreaction?

    12. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Arguably the law in the UK, that you can use force to defend yourself and your property, is OK it's just that the judges were interpreting it in a rather strict way. The current 'change' is just a directive from the politicians to make them stop doing it.

      After the Tony Martin case, there was a proposal to amend the law so that you could use force unless it was "grossly disproportionate", the implication that pretty much anything goes, but that was rejected. Pity really, I liked the idea of a bunch of lawyers trying to work out if sharkpits, killer robots and homemade landmines were grossly disproportionate and thus illegal rather than just disproportonate.

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    13. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took 11 days and he got 11 months. Britain must have some sort of strange judicial formula at work here.

    14. Re:British Court system is FAST! by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the Brit's don't mess around!

      Yes, they do. The criminal in question was out on bail when committing this robbery and had 13 priors. For this, he gets all of 11 months? WTF, that's a pansy slap on the wrist for such a serial criminal.

    15. Re:British Court system is FAST! by DaHat · · Score: 0

      Shame it's not that way here in the US, it took ~5 months for my burglar who was caught on camera to be sentenced.

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    16. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice one!

    17. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Badfysh · · Score: 1

      The CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) did redefine what "Reasonable Force" means to them, as a way of changing the law without actually changing the law - if you know what I mean.. In the past the police would have taken a dim view of the killing of an intruder, and these changes have been made because of complaints that burglary is treated too lightly. Nothing has really changed there, as can be seen if you RTFA; 11 months for a rescidivist professional burglar. What a joke.

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    18. Re:British Court system is FAST! by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      UK law lets homeowners kill intruders

      Did you read what you linked to?

      It has never been a problem if you deal with an intruder in any reasonable manner. There was a tabloid thrash trying to raise concerns that this had somehow changed and the government put out a leaflet saying, in effect, ``hey, guys, nothing has changed''.

      Reasonable is defined in the usual common law manner, as whatever a jury decides is reasonable. Since juries are just folk (with a bias against selection of burglars) they tend to decide the homeowner was perfectly reasonable in beating crap out of the bastard.

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    19. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for reminding us that the South is still teeming with deep-thinking humanitarians sporting an modern sense of justice.

      Yee. Haw.

    20. Re:British Court system is FAST! by pe1rxq · · Score: 1

      Probably not, but once the threath(?) is gone you have to stop. So no kicking while he is on the floor.

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    21. Re:British Court system is FAST! by PygmyShrew · · Score: 0

      Notice the burglar's outfit too - any burglar who actually wears a stripey shirt deserves to be caught. The only thing missing was a bag with Swag written on it!

      Have a look around the Duncan's website, he may be a geek but he's also a martial arts instructor specialising in kickboxing!

      Burglar should be glad the guy wasn't there... Wrong house, motherf*cker!

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    22. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system may be fast, but what sentence did he get? Probably nothing that will deter him from doing it again.

      Unfortunately punishment is way to wimpy in my opinion.

      The saying that the punishment should fit the crime is a crock. The punishment should exceed the crime that way it isn't an even trade off.

    23. Re:British Court system is FAST! by prefect42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah come on. If you mean the Tony Martin case it wasn't a rifle it was a shotgun, he is thought to have lied about where he shot the burglar (claiming it was inside on the stairs, but more likely was outside I think), and had in fact shot the kid in the back while he was running away.

      British law allows reasonable force, which doesn't specifically exclude killing him. Almost all the cases brought to court by the police, and thus the CPS have been thrown out. Recent advice to the police is the stop taking these cases to court unless it's clear that an offence has been committed.

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    24. Re:British Court system is FAST! by pe1rxq · · Score: 4, Informative

      3. The interesting bit here is that the system used is likely to have been GNU Motion (which means the machine running linux). He even left the thing running in debug mode where it shows the rectangle where the motion was picked up.


      I never really intended that as a debug mode...
      I added the rectangle to be able to quickly see in a frame what caused the events.
      But some might consider that debug info :)

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    25. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The whole confusiopn started when a farmer shot a burglar in the back (after repeated break-ins, and the police doing nothing). He got a lot of public sympathy, but the court found him guilty of murder. Presumably they felt that no matter how pissed off you get with burglars, shooting one of them dead, when firing a warning shot would have been sufficient, was excessive.

      For more details, google for "Tony Martin"

    26. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Ithika · · Score: 1

      Yep, serves 'im right too. Some of us happen to frown on murder as being somewhat anti-social. Pimms anyone?

    27. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1

      I'm still going through courts for a bugus DUI charge after 2 years. It is insanely slow and since my insurance company found out (hmmm I wonder how when I'm not convicted), my rates went up to $980/6 months. So far it has cost me over $5,000 and I'm not even convicted. Right to a speedy trial....yeah right.

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    28. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Yaruar · · Score: 1

      that and the fact he held that gun illegally after having his licence revoked.

      Tony Martin is the worst example that could possibly be used by the people advocating rights of homowners, in any sane society he would have been convicted.

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    29. Re:British Court system is FAST! by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The criminal in question was out on bail when committing this robbery and had 13 priors. For this, he gets all of 11 months?

      Given he was 19, most of the priors were presumably when he was legally a child.

      Not that I'm saying that should have limited his sentence, but I suspect that is what did so.

      I do wonder what he will get when the earlier offence he was on bail for comes up, assuming he is found guilty.

      What tickles me is how he was dressed. It's the modern equivalent of a stripy jersey and a bag labeled SWAG (assuming that image has any salience for non UK people). They might as well have arrested him as he left home dressed like that, the only problem being they wouldn't know if he planned burglary, car theft or just being an embarassment to the species.

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    30. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Informative

      Last year, Kenneth Faulkner shot and wounded a burglar. He assumed - incorrectly - that the burglar was armed since he had previously stolen guns from Mr Faulkner.

      The CPS decided not to prosecute since the assumption that his life was in danger was reasonable.

      Tony Martin shot and killed a burglar who was running away! His life was not in danger.

    31. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      So..um...so what? He shot a burglar. I don't give a flying fuck if the guy was on his way into the house, was breakdancing on the kitchen floor, or was running away. Here's a thought: don't enter other people's houses without their permission, and you won't get shot. Sounds kinda simple, to me. Yes, I believe you should be able to shoot and kill any burglar at any time. When did the burden suddenly become on the burgled? I doubt very seriously that Tony Martin invited the guy to rob his house. If the burglar didn't enter Tony Martin's house illegally, he wouldn't have been shot, period. How hard is it to *not* break in to someone else's house? If you decide burglary is the life for you, you must prepare for the possibility of being killed. Breaking and entering is a serious crime, and a serious violation of the homeowner, because they have NO IDEA whether the burglar is there to kill or simply steal. Maybe he's running to get his gun, how the hell do you know? Either way, that person shouldn't be there. Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. Period.

    32. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Broiler · · Score: 1

      What does reasonable mean anyway?

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    33. Re:British Court system is FAST! by bigox · · Score: 1

      Fast? Yes. But, only 11 months for someone who is VERY likely to do it again? Only in Europe.

    34. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      That which a reasonable man considers reasonable. It's a deliberate legal grey area.

    35. Re:British Court system is FAST! by bigox · · Score: 1

      Only an idiot would make the assumption that anyone breaking into one's home is not a threat. Of course, shooting someone who is fleeing is wrong, but anyone that is illegally in my home is fair game.

    36. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At what point does human life become sacred to you? Where do YOU draw the line, huh? What about shoplifting? That's stealing, and perhaps they whould also prepare for the possibility of being killed? Maybe assault should also warrant murder?

    37. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      . If the burglar didn't enter Tony Martin's house illegally, he wouldn't have been shot, period. How hard is it to *not* break in to someone else's house?

      About as hard as not shooting to kill.

      If you decide burglary is the life for you, you must prepare for the possibility of being killed. Breaking and entering is a serious crime, and a serious violation of the homeowner,

      Killed perhaps. Bur murdered in retribution? I think we're more civilised than this.

      because they have NO IDEA whether the burglar is there to kill or simply steal.

      They'd brokwn in several times before to steal. It's reasonable to assume this was their plan. Even if it wasn't, they had been prevented from doing this.

      Maybe he's running to get his gun, how the hell do you know?

      Is this likely? A burglar has access to weapons, commits a crime, but doesn't actually think perhaps the weapon may be useful. Having been shot at, rather than retreating, why would he go back?

      Either way, that person shouldn't be there. Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. Period.

      So is it up to private individuals to convict and punish criminals?

    38. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. Now I know where to move if I want to start killing people. It'd be a snap. Just put a lot of expensive stuff in your window and make it really attractive for burglars. Then, sit quietly with a shotgun and wait for the fun! The cops will applaud you, and you'll get the satisfaction of knowing you ended a human life. Heck, you could probably mutilate the corpse and no one'd care, right? Yee haw, thank the lord (and pass the ammunition) that the Constitution is on my side!

    39. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Oh, quite. I'd have had a lot more sympathy for him if he'd shouted a warning, or they were attacking or something. The Tony Martin case just sounded like an act of revenge.

    40. Re:British Court system is FAST! by fataugie · · Score: 1

      *hick* I'll drink to that!

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    41. Re:British Court system is FAST! by LatePaul · · Score: 1

      Except that 'Brit' is a contraction of Briton (i.e. native of Britain) - hence the apostrophe, standing in for the missing letters 'on', is appropriate.

    42. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So..um...so what? He shot a burglar.

      You have the death penalty for burgulary?! It's just like Saudi!

    43. Re:British Court system is FAST! by AndrewRUK · · Score: 1
      I suspect that the victim did not have his cameras registered and signposted according to the data protection act and the rules for applying it. Now, it was the guy private residence so there is a question if the rules apply, but IANAL so I would rather not get there.
      According to the Information Commissioner's Office, "Individuals who are processing personal data for personal, family or household affairs are exempt from notification and most of the other provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998." I would take that to mean that having a webcam set up in your own home is not covered by the DPA, just like keeping a personal address list isn't. (Like you, IANAL, but statements like that seem pretty clear to me.)
    44. Re:British Court system is FAST! by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      About as hard as not shooting to kill.

      Shooting/Not shooting to kill is for the movies. In the real world you shoot someone else only because you need to stop them. (Which means in this particular case where the guy was shot in the back doesn't qualify as reason to shoot) Unless you practice with 200 rounds a week you are not a good enough shot to hit anything other than the torso - a killing shot - at any time. When you consider that you are likely to be under stress at the time you have to shoot an attacker (If you are not in danger don't shoot) there is no reason to believe that you can hit someone anywhere other than the chest area which is also the are to aim at if you want to kill.

      They'd broken in several times before to steal. It's reasonable to assume this was their plan. Even if it wasn't, they had been prevented from doing this.

      The first is not a reasonable assumption. You could die if this time they are interested in murder not robbery. (Robbery because you are there) Though I agree that once you prevent someone from committing a crime you should leave it to the police. (Unless you have good reason to believe they will do more)

      So is it up to private individuals to convict and punish criminals?

      No, but it is up to private individuals to protect themselves. The police are under no obligation to respond to any incident. Even when they do respond fast talkers have told the police everything was okay and then went back into the bedroom to finish the rape. Most of us cannot protect ourselves from these incidents, but that is our fault. (though the risk in general is low enough that it is a safe risk to take)

    45. Re:British Court system is FAST! by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Why bother to wait till they break in? Just go drive around, find some homeless guy, kidnap him, drag him home, and shoot him.

      If you're really clever, you can lure them to your house instead. But that would probably require not being a sociopath. ;)

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    46. Re:British Court system is FAST! by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      >>Tony Martin is the worst example that could possibly be used by the people advocating rights of homowners, in any sane society he would have been convicted.

      Umm...he was.

    47. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Why is the life of an attempted murderer and/or burglar more important, more sacred, to you than the life of the innocent homeowner? When do other people's actions against me become moot? I imagine if it were legal to kill those who assaulted you, assault would be less common. Would that be bad? Why am I forced to deal with the consequences of YOUR moral dilemma? Why should it be more OK for someone to break into my house than for me to protect myself, my family, and my belongings? How can I know what the intentions are of somoene who has already broken the law to enter my house without permission? How do I know he isn't there to kill me? Why should it fall to me to discern the motives of the person who has illegally broken into my house? What if I used a baseball bat to kill an attempted murderer? Would that be OK to you? Is it just guns with which you take issue, or is it with the entire notion of self-protection?
      To your question re: shoplifting:
      Yes, they should prepare for the possibility of being shot for shoplifting. Actions have consequences. Why do people seem to think it's OK to steal? I'm not advocating random shootings. I'm not advocating killing people who say mean things to you. I'm talking about protecting yourself, your family, and your belongings. It isn't me saying that my life, my family's lives, and my posessions are more important than someone else's life. It's those people who break into my house who are saying that their life doesn't matter *to them* as much as those things do. I'm not risking their life to break into my house...they are.

    48. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Yaruar · · Score: 1

      I know, but many people tried to champion him as a case of a poor homeowner just trying to defend his property and claimed he was being unfairly gaoled.

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    49. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Insightful

      About as hard as not shooting to kill.

      Well, that's glib. I rather think it's much easier to not break into someone's house, though. Not to mention that it isn't as easy to shoot as you apparently believe. You've been watching too much television. I dare you to take any police 'street course' and use disabling shots exclusively. In any case, it is MUCH easier to NOT break into a house than it is to shoot perfectly in the event someone breaks into your house.

      Killed perhaps. Bur murdered in retribution? I think we're more civilised than this.

      Aren't we more civilised than to break into other people's houses and steal what isn't ours? No? Then I believe your question is answered.

      They'd brokwn in several times before to steal. It's reasonable to assume this was their plan. Even if it wasn't, they had been prevented from doing this.

      So now we're expected to know not only *who* our burglars are (that they're the same ones who've broken in before) but also what their intentions are? Shouldn't we have then just prevented their entry? Since we know so much...

      Is this likely? A burglar has access to weapons, commits a crime, but doesn't actually think perhaps the weapon may be useful. Having been shot at, rather than retreating, why would he go back?

      Ummmmmmm yes. It is easily possible. Burlgars caught carrying guns get tougher sanctions. However, it is entirely possible that their gun is stashed somewhere nearby, in case they need it. Is it a certainty? Nope. But neither is it certain that they are simply running away.

      So is it up to private individuals to convict and punish criminals?

      Nope. You sure are a good talker, though. Nice phrasing. It is up to individuals NOT to break into my house. It is up to *me* to protect my family, myself, and my belongings. It is up to the police to prosecute in the event that I am not home or not shooting straight.

    50. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      The death penalty is a thing of the courts. The right to defend yourself comes way before any courts could possibly be involved. Too, there are many burglars who are not killed, thus rendering your phrasing invalid. Nice try, though. If you don't want to get shot, don't break into my house. It's really very simple.

    51. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Ibix · · Score: 1
      What does reasonable mean anyway?


      I understand that you can keep hitting him as long as you believe he's a threat. You can't take it into punishment. This means that you can (probably) get away with killing a burglar with a baseball bat to the head. If you don't kill him with the first blow, but then you do an Al Capone on him while he's down, you'll be banged up for assault. However, exactly where the line between defence and revenge lies must be decided on a case-by-case basis.



      The reasoning behind this is simple. It is unreasonable that you are not allowed to defend your home and property, so you are allowed to fight. Fortunes of war apply. However, you have no right to dispense justice (not even "justice"), so you can't beat him to punish him. You can hit him when he's running away if he's carrying your TV - but then he's still a threat to your property.



      I am not a lawyer. I am a homeowner. Make sure it isn't your wife before you attack, call the police, attack from cover, and don't keep hitting him once he's down.



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    52. Re:British Court system is FAST! by burnttoy · · Score: 1

      I fact he's a local yokel with an unhealthy paranoid streak and a scarey fixation with guns... and shooting kids to death... IN THE BACK whilst running away! It's amazing anyone could see him as champion of anything... except, maybe, being a loony.

      But... if the press spin it that way that's the way most people will take it...

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    53. Re:British Court system is FAST! by kabocox · · Score: 1


      Only if he'd, say, tied him up and set fire to him, or shot him dead when he was running away.

      You are allowed to use reasonable force to repel intruders, and always have been.


      Those are reasonable force levels for intruders, telemarketers, and spamers.

    54. Re:British Court system is FAST! by magarity · · Score: 1

      Given he was 19, most of the priors were presumably when he was legally a child

      One also wonders why parents of such children aren't held to much account.

    55. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A warning shot that cannot be followed up by the real thing is a vain bluff. You might as well not bother shooting.

    56. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Okay, but here's what I believe.

      Tony Martin knew they only wanted to steal.

      He also knew they were frightened off and running away.

      He shot with deliberate intention to kill, or at least to seriously injure without caring whether he killed.

      If he genuinely believed they were there to harm him, and were off to arm themselves, I'd quike likely agree with you, but I don't believe that for a second.

      Whether the criminals were wrong is not relevent. Just because what they were doing was wrong, doesn't give the victim tit-for-tat right to do what's wrong.

      One could even argue that if he felt that it was wrong for them to break the law, it should also be wrong for him to break the law. Otherwise, it seems both parties had opted out of the law (because the criminals felt it was more profitable and Tony Martin felt it was inadequate), and there's no reason that the criminals shouldn't up the ante a little further, and come back fully armed and possibly with a bulldozer to protect themselves.

    57. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It wasn't really the fact that Tony Martin shot the burgler that got him convicted, it was the fact that after he shot the guy, he locked the guy up in a storeroom and left him to bleed to death.

      The jury reckoned that a "reasonable" person would have phoned the police after the incident, not gone down the pub for a few pints.

      That and the fact the shogun he used was illegal as Tony Martin had had his firearms licence taken off him after an "incident" where he took a pot-shot at his neighbour's house.

    58. Re:British Court system is FAST! by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      I haven't lived in England for a very long time but that was exactly the thought that struck me after seeing this guy.

      I would have thought a serial burgler wouldn't try so HARD to look like a serial burgler.

      Shades of Benny Hill.

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    59. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or shot him dead when he was running away.
      Because of course if he's coming right towards you killing him is 'self defense' In some states, it's legal to shoot him dead if he's fleeing, if he's stolen at least $50 worth of your valuables. Defense of property.

    60. Re:British Court system is FAST! by arivanov · · Score: 1

      I said that I would not like to get into this as IANAL:

      1. He used it for the purposes of crime prevention and investigation which is not exempt as per this paragraph.

      2. If the guy is a contractor, this is his office and he contracts via an LTD as most UK contractors do this exemption does not hold either.

      As I said, the burglar had a sucky lawyer (if he had any lawyer at all).

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    61. Re:British Court system is FAST! by asystole · · Score: 1

      Nearly every domestic burglar I've come across is a prime example of genuine (and usually drug enhanced) stupidity.

      A basic CCTV system in commercial premises that just sits there, isn't used to spy on people, and is only looked at in responce to an incident, is not covered by the UK Data Protection Act. So this set-up is exempt from the requirements.

    62. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Mr+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So is it up to private individuals to convict and punish criminals?

      This is one of those issues that no amount of back and forth will ever solve. For starters, a private individual does not need to convict someone of a crime being committed directly against them while it is in progress. A private individual merely needs to asses the relative risk involved. That level of appropriate response is codified precisely because people do not see eye to eye on it and never will.

      In many parts of the United States, threat to livelihood is considered comparable to threat to life and limb. This allows for full force defense against home invasion, carjacking, and other similiar crimes.

      Quite frankly, the British system as it's been described to me is assinine. You should never, EVER be restricted to a fair fight when you are defending yourself. You should be allowed to strike first and with more force than is brought against you. The goal of the law should be to protect the right of the victim to survive, not be fairly matched with his attacker. In a fair fight the attacker might win.

    63. Re:British Court system is FAST! by TheSync · · Score: 1

      You are allowed to use reasonable force to repel intruders, and always have been.

      Please check your local laws. In most states in the U.S., deadly force cannot be used unless the person utilizing it 1) has reason to believe the force will stop an immininent danger to life or limb (not property) and 2) you have retreated as far as possible.

      Secondly, note that this is criminal law, there are often cases of people who use deadly force in a way that is criminally legal, but are still sued in civil court for damages.

    64. Re:British Court system is FAST! by bluenote39 · · Score: 1
      3. The interesting bit here is that the system used is likely to have been GNU Motion (which means the machine running linux). He even left the thing running in debug mode where it shows the rectangle where the motion was picked up.

      Yes, he did use GNU motion running off a linux system.. More info about the setup on his website.

    65. Re:British Court system is FAST! by brainburger · · Score: 1

      The warning shot *could* be followed up by an aimed shot, but only if the warning is ignored - if the burglar is running away, then he is not threatening you and shooting him is murder under UK law.

      Read the last segment from the article that was posted:
      "Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald said it was very rare for prosecutions to be brought against people who defended themselves in their own homes.

      'As long as someone hasn't stepped over that line into retribution or revenge, it is quite difficult to perceive of a level of violence that would not be regarded as reasonable by a prosecutor,'Macdonald said.

      He said there were examples of homeowners not being prosecuted after intruders had been fatally stabbed or shot, hit over the head with bats or metal bars.

    66. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      For those that don't RTFA, the burgler broke into his flat on Feb 4th, 2005 ... and was sentenced 11 days later on Feb 15; the Brit's don't mess around!
      Yes they do, he'll probably be out on probation by the middle of March. This March.
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    67. Re:British Court system is FAST! by brainburger · · Score: 1

      " You can't use ANY force in subduing a criminal in the UK " - I don't know if you are trolling, or you just don't know what you are talking about, but it is quite legal to use deadly force to subdue a criminal in the UK if that force is reasonable for self-defense. On the other hand, you can't shoot someone dead just because they were tresspassing but are now fleeing for their lives.

    68. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you decide burglary is the life for you, you must prepare for the possibility of being killed.

      "Let the punishment fit the crime"

      Vigilantes should not be given the option of deciding when people should get death sentences.

    69. Re:British Court system is FAST! by brainburger · · Score: 1

      I realise that many poeple are passionate about this , and I believe that the law in the US is different from in the UK. However, when you say: "Yes, they should prepare for the possibility of being shot for shoplifting. Actions have consequences.", then would you find it acceptable if instead of holding shoplifters and calling the police, shop staff were allowed to summarily execute shoplifters and throw their bodies in a dumpster out back? - it would certainly speed-up the courts and thin-out the prison population. This is a reductio ad absurdum, but it seems to be what you are suggesting should be the law.

    70. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not advocating killing people who say mean things to you. I'm talking about protecting yourself, your family, and your belongings.

      What about if somebody verbally threatens to kill you (or your family). Should you have the right then to go get your gun and shoot them dead?

    71. Re:British Court system is FAST! by brainburger · · Score: 1

      "What if I used a baseball bat to kill an attempted murderer? Would that be OK to you?" - I can't speak for the other poster, but killing an 'attempted murderer' with a baseball bat would be perfectly legal under UK law, - as indeed it would be to shoot him.

    72. Re:British Court system is FAST! by brainburger · · Score: 1

      "Quite frankly, the British system as it's been described to me is assinine." I don't think you have understood it. " You should never, EVER be restricted to a fair fight when you are defending yourself." We aren't. " You should be allowed to strike first and with more force than is brought against you." We are - as long is it is reasonable to suppose that the assailant might bring more force if we don't. Otherwise, it would be legal to kill a child who steals sweets from a shop, for a very real example. (If you say that is not an appropriate example, them where *would* you draw the line?). "The goal of the law should be to protect the right of the victim to survive, not be fairly matched with his attacker." It is. If for example we thought an attacker might have a knife or gun, it would be quite legal to stab or shoot them. If it is reasonable to challenge them first, then the law expects that such a challenge is given, but it does not expect the victim to put themselves at unreasonable risk to do so. "In a fair fight the attacker might win." True - it is nothing to do with fairness though, only what is reasonable in defending yourself (but not to defend your property, which is I think where US law differs). An unfair fight might very well be reasonable force. The key concept here is that is it illegal in the UK to injure or kill anyone, -whether a criminal or not- as an act of revenge. It was revenge in Tony Martin's case, the jury found.

    73. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      One time I had the opportunity to stop a young man who had beat up an older Asian man to steal his wallet (I heard the crys for help in front of my house and saw the young man running away from the old man lying on the ground crying out) I ran after him and cuaght up to him down the street a bit counting the money with some of his buddies.

      I picked the young man off of his feet and carried him back to the old man, and made him give the money back (he was about 5'10" 160 pounds and i am 6'2" 275 pounds, turns out he beat up an old man for 5 bucks).

      Long story short, after the cops came by and had me identify the guy (I let go of him as he became violent and didn't want to go to jail myself for beating the crap out of the kid) they told me that when performing a citizens arrest you can employ any force neccessary to detain a suspect, when i asked him what he meant by this he said it means appropriate force equal to that of the resistance, so the more the suspect resists the more liberty you have to "restrain" them.

      This was in San JOse CA USA so YMMV...

    74. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is pretty clear cut. Just because you found someone uninvited on your property does not mean you have carte blanche to do whatever you want with them. It should not be that way and it will never be that way. The most that is reasonable is to stop them from committing whatever crime they are attempting to.

    75. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since WHEN does the plural of "Brit" involve an APOSTROPHE?!

    76. Re:British Court system is FAST! by timeOday · · Score: 1

      A reasonable line must be drawn somewhere. Otherwise some loon will start shooting kids who use his property as a shortcut on the way to school. (And if you think that's just fine, don't even bother saying so, because it isn't.)

    77. Re:British Court system is FAST! by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      The Brits are natives (plural) of Britain
      The Brit's court system (posessive) is the court system owned by the Brits.

      The apostrophie was inappropriate.

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    78. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't pull a gun on someone unless you mean to kill them.

      Why not? Guns are very effective for frightening people.

    79. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Shooting/Not shooting to kill is for the movies.

      I was thinking in terms of shooting at them against shooting to miss as a warning. But, yes, I dare say it would be difficult for a trained marksman to deliberately wound someone with a shotgun.

      Just a clarification. As for the rest of your post, you make some interesting points.

    80. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      British law allows reasonable force, which doesn't specifically exclude killing him.

      If "reasonable" force includes killing... what's unreasonable?!

    81. Re:British Court system is FAST! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      It's one thing to do what you have to in self defense. But minimal use of force is imperative.

      If someone is shoplifting and you catch them and they cooperate you have no cause to harm them.

      If someone is robbing your house and you shoot them and incapacitate them and they're clearly unarmed, you call the police, you don't fire a second round into their body.

      Advocating the possibility of the death penalty for all crimes is a literally draconian law code. It would result in a lot of accidental and deliberate murders.

      And if you do kill someone, the burden of proof should be on you (the supposed victim) to PROVE that you were threatened.

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    82. Re:British Court system is FAST! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Ask yourself this (admittedly hypothetical) question: Given the choice between the lovable raggle-taggle rogues finding an armed Tony Martin at the farm, or one of your female relatives, unarmed, which would you choose?

      Then find out the criminal records of the "kid" and his accomplices and ask yourself again.

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    83. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      and there's no reason that the criminals shouldn't up the ante a little further, and come back fully armed and possibly with a bulldozer to protect themselves.

      Bullshit. There's a very good reason: they shouldn't have been there in the first place. It doesn't matter how homicidal being robbed makes someone if they aren't robbed. Tony Martin did not just go out looking for people to shoot. He was tired of being burglarized over and over with the police doing nothing to stop it. I don't agree with his actions but I do understand them. Tony Martin was not breaking the law over and over, he was having it done to him over and over. Perhaps if the police did their jobs, or the criminals stopped robbing his house, things would be very different. I just don't believe that it is ok to rob someone's house under any circumstance and thus I have a very hard time feeling pity for the poor multiple-time burglar who finally got something that wasn't someone else's property.

    84. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. I would rather shoot someone who has broken into my house and be wrong about his murderous intentions than not shoot someone who has broken into my house and be wrong about his benign intentions. If you don't want homeowners shooting you, DO NOT BREAK INTO THEIR HOUSES. How could it be any simpler? If you break into my house, I will shoot you. Period. It has nothing to do with punishment and everything to do with protecting my family. It isn't being a vigilante when someone's in YOUR HOUSE. It's not like I'm advocating driving around wasting muggers or prostitutes or anything. Don't want to get shot? Don't break into my house. It's very simple.

    85. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      The LAW states that you may not shoplift. The law states that property owners may protect their property. I'm not saying that the police should execute people for shoplifting, nor am I saying that it is the normal response. However, I'm saying that if you walk into a store to steal and you aren't prepared even for the possibility, you're dumb. What is your solution? To have no penalties at all? To force shopowners to watch people steal what they've worked hard for and never have anything happen to them? I'm not saying all shoplifters should be shot, I'm saying they shouldn't be shoplifting in the first place, and then they don't have to worry.

    86. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. There's a very good reason: they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

      And Tony Martin shouldn't have been shooting at them. Tit for tat. Burglary is a crime. Shooting someone in the back is a much greater crime. If Mr. Martin didn't understand this, he's a psycho who deserves to be locked up.

    87. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      No. However, if they're threatening your family whilst advancing towards you menacingly with their hand in their pocket...I'd think it would be excusable then. Of course, I advocate warning first, but that's just my preference. As with most situations, if you aren't going around threatening people, you don't have to worry about getting shot.

    88. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Yes, that was my point. If you wake up in the middle of the night and some stranger is in your kid's room, your thought is not 'oh he's a harmless burglar'. At least, mine wouldn't be. Mine would be 'kill that bitch, protect the kids'.

    89. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      It's one thing to do what you have to in self defense. But minimal use of force is imperative.


      When you're awoken in the middle of the night by a burglar, you might not be able to cogitate for hours upon the proper level of force to use. If someone doesn't want to get shot by me, they don't break into my house. If they do, I will shoot them. If I don't kill them, terrific. The cops can come let them spend 10 minutes in jail while they work on their lawsuit against me. If I kill them, no big loss.

      If someone is shoplifting and you catch them and they cooperate you have no cause to harm them.

      And if they start grabbing your merchandise and running...what then? Let them go? Rely on the police to actively work a shopfilting crime? Cry? Once again, shooting might be an extreme reaction to shoplifting, and one rarely employed, but if you don't want to face the possibility, don't shoplift. It's absurdly easy.

      If someone is robbing your house and you shoot them and incapacitate them and they're clearly unarmed, you call the police, you don't fire a second round into their body.

      How is anyone ever 'clearly unarmed'? Pistols are small and fit in many locations around the body. Shoot them, and if they don't try to shoot you back, don't fire into them again. That's a more reasonable plan. I would also keep a very close eye on them until the cops got there. I guess if they're naked, I wouldn't shoot, as the threat alone should suffice...however, if they try to rush me or something, I'm going to fire.

      Advocating the possibility of the death penalty for all crimes is a literally draconian law code. It would result in a lot of accidental and deliberate murders.

      I'm not advocating the death penalty for all crimes. I'm saying that any time you are stealing someone else's property, there is the possibility that they will very very much NOT wish you to have it. One of the last resorts in this situation is the firearm. Should it be a last resort? Of course. Should it be a resort at all? Of course.

      And if you do kill someone, the burden of proof should be on you (the supposed victim) to PROVE that you were threatened.

      "I woke up at 2am with this guy in my house, I think he was stealing but he wouldn't stand still when I told him to."

      Good enough for me.
      The underlying thread here is this: Don't break into someone else's house and don't take things that aren't yours. Then you don't have to worry about getting shot.

    90. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Again, it's not like he just went around shooting random people. In that case, you'd be correct. Tony Martin was repeatedly burgled. Where were the police? Why weren't these repeated lawbreakers in jail? Why did they come back to a place they'd stolen guns from before? Wouldn't they perhaps think that if he'd had guns previously, he'd have them again? Yet they invaded his home again. If they weren't wanton lawbreakers, they wouldn't have been shot, and if you can't see that you're intentionally blind. I will NEVER support the 'right' of someone to break into my house and steal my things. Fuck them, and I'll shoot every fucking piece of shit that wants to invade MY home and steal MY shit and endanger MY family. If you don't agree, that's fine. Just don't break into my house.

    91. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      If they weren't wanton lawbreakers, they wouldn't have been shot,

      And they wouldn't have been if Tony Martin hadn't broken the law! I don't see the difference. He has a personal responsibility not to kill. Does being the victim of a crime put you above the law?

      I will NEVER support the 'right' of someone to break into my house and steal my things.

      Neither will I. This is not about the right to do that. It's about the right not to get shot.

      I just don't accept that these kids presented any credible danger to his life or his family. Lethal force is excessive for protecting property.

    92. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      I would agree with you, if the police could provide adequate protection. However, as Mr. Martin was repeatedly robbed, apparently by the same people, that obviously wasn't the case. If no protection is available, the homeowner has no recourse. You'll notice he didn't shoot anyone the first (or even the second) time he was robbed. How many times must one be robbed before one can, in your view, use force? Do I support shooting robbers in the back? No, I do not. However, I'd have a much dimmer view if it was the first time he'd been robbed. To look at it another way: if the police had locked these robbers up after their first robbery, they wouldn't have been shot either.

    93. Re:British Court system is FAST! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Tony Martin shot and killed a burglar who was running away! His life was not in danger.

      Until the bad guy turns around, and comes back.

      A common statistic is that bad guys will repeat a sucessful 'job', the same way. One could call it, "positive feedback".

      As for a persons life being in danger or not, how does one really know? How can one judge Fear? How can I be benevilent to something that considers me a food source? I feel comfortable selecting me over my attacker, every time, to survive. I really wish that I never have to deal with this issue, but the events in nature leave me no other choice.

    94. Re:British Court system is FAST! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      How is anyone ever 'clearly unarmed'?

      Shoplifters in grocery stores, for instance, usually don't carry pistols.

      Once again, shooting might be an extreme reaction to shoplifting

      It migth be an illegal reaction, too, except in Texas.

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    95. Re:British Court system is FAST! by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Just because you'd trust *your* life to such assumptions, why on Earth does that mean that *I* must, as well? You want to take chances, don't carry a gun. Why does it matter to you if I carry one or not, unless you plan on robbing or assaulting me...in which cases your wishes are of even less concern to me. If I'm the Rambo type who just wants to pop someone, chances are a regulatory statute isn't going to bother me much. However, if I'm a law-abiding citizen, why shouldn't I be able to protect myself, even if you choose not to?

    96. Re:British Court system is FAST! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      I don't care if you carry a gun or not.

      I don't care if you shoot someone who you reasonably believe is trying to do you harm.

      You don't, for one second, really believe that I'm planning on robbing or assaulting you. Because my postings on slashdot are part of some evil plot, you know, to get you to put down your gun so I can take your wallet.

      If you shoot a shoplifter (not a robber with a gun, but a shoplifter), you'll probably be tried for murder, even if they were taking your stuff, even if you think it's justified. Which is at least one reason why you should "trust your life to such assumptions". IANAL, but it's happened before. If you really don't believe me, test it next chance you get. It is, as you say, your life.

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    97. Re:British Court system is FAST! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Until the bad guy turns around, and comes back.

      Exactly. He should have waited until that time.

      A common statistic is that bad guys will repeat a sucessful 'job', the same way. One could call it, "positive feedback".

      Being shot at by an irate farmer is not a succesful job.

      As for a persons life being in danger or not, how does one really know? How can one judge Fear? How can I be benevilent to something that considers me a food source? I feel comfortable selecting me over my attacker, every time, to survive. I really wish that I never have to deal with this issue, but the events in nature leave me no other choice.

      It's hard to say. So, what you do is arrest someone who you have resonable grounds to suspect was acting out of revenge rather than self-defence, and then present the evidence to an unbiased group of people for their opinion.

    98. Re:British Court system is FAST! by pegler · · Score: 1

      When some toerag makes a conscious decision to break into my, home he is deliberatly denying me of my right to live in peace and enjoyment of my hard earned possessions. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, he has abdicated any rights that he had. Including, if neccessary, the right to live
      There are approximately 47 funded organisations to look after the rights of criminals in the UK, and only one charitable organisation concerned with the victim

    99. Re:British Court system is FAST! by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

      Um, AFAIK (I'm a Brit after all), isn't someone who's 18 in the UK legally an adult so 19 would be an adult?

    100. Re:British Court system is FAST! by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      so 19 would be an adult?

      Yes, but it' unlikely that he got all those convictions in 18 months or so. So he probably doesn't have 13 adult convictions.

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  2. At least by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    he did not undress

    1. Re:At least by kent,+knower+of+all · · Score: 0


      Officer -- The pornographic images that you found on my computer got there because someone broke into this guy's flat, took their clothes off, and started acting in a lewd manner. The computer captured this on the webcam and mailed the pictures to me.

      Honest, Officer. That's just the way it happened!

    2. Re:At least by marika · · Score: 1

      Wow that doesn't sound like an Urban Legend!

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  3. He got me by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was a victim of a Serial burglar once. I didn't have breakfast for four months because of him... /*rimshot*/

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    1. Re:He got me by tehshen · · Score: 5, Funny

      You think that's bad? A serial burglar stole my XP serial number and now I can't validate Windows!

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    2. Re:He got me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to buy a uSB Palm Pilot after a Serial burglar visited me :(

    3. Re:He got me by RangerRick98 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I was a victim of a Serial burglar once. I didn't have breakfast for four months because of him

      Aye...they're always after me Lucky Charms!

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    4. Re:He got me by skubeedooo · · Score: 5, Funny
      A serial burglar stole my entire legit CD & DVD collection, but left behind the hard disk full of mp3 'backup copies' behind. For some reason the RIAA/MPAA don't believe me.

      But it's true I tell you!

    5. Re:He got me by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Serial burgler got me too!
      Nothing seemed stolen until I switched on the WinXP box and it told me the serial number was stolen!

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    6. Re:He got me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hit by a serial burgler too once. The bastard stole my serial mouse and modem and left all the USB and PS/2 devices behind.

    7. Re:He got me by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Well some guy broke in and swiped all of my USB, Firewire, RS-232, AND PCI Express peripherals!

    8. Re:He got me by thegameiam · · Score: 1

      A Serial Burglar stole my RS-232 and PA-T3 interfaces, and I had to move to FDDI!

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    9. Re:He got me by evil-osm · · Score: 1

      Just move onto the next excuse, that spyware installed/downloaded it all without your knowledge.

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    10. Re:He got me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While we're talking about protocol burglars, when's Ronald finally gonna get that sneaky Hamburglar? He swiped my ham-radio...

    11. Re:He got me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This actually happened to me when some punk broke into my car. I'm very glad I had ripped most of them.

    12. Re:He got me by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny


      I'm surprised there still are any serial burglars out there.

      Would have thought that they'd have all upgraded to USB burglary or FireWire burglary by now.

    13. Re:He got me by legirons · · Score: 1

      At least it wasn't "Burglar caught on serial webcam" - we'd still be waiting for the image to download

    14. Re:He got me by Spodlink05 · · Score: 0

      Serial Burglar pictures? How dull! I want to see pictures of a parallel burglar. Thankfully the Kray Twins are long gone.

    15. Re:He got me by alfedenzo · · Score: 1

      Would have thought that they'd have all upgraded to USB burglary

      You mean using the Universal Serial Bandit protocol?

    16. Re:He got me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd call that a gift, so don't look back at the horse who stole it :)

    17. Re:He got me by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Someone broke into my car and stole a bunch of burned copies of my legit CDs (amonst other, mostly worthless items). But if I ever find out who did it, I'm sending the RIAA after them!

  4. Someone on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Used to have a journal entry about catching a burglar on their webcam. Wish I could remember who it was though.

    1. Re:Someone on Slashdot by tehshen · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if it was a journal entry but I remember this if it is what you mean

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    2. Re:Someone on Slashdot by DaHat · · Score: 1

      You've kind of got me scared... that link is mine and it was my house that was broken into... why on earth do you even remember that site still?

    3. Re:Someone on Slashdot by tehshen · · Score: 1

      I searched for some of the words on the page and found it, I didn't remember the address.

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  5. Serial burglar at 19... by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't say a whole lot (and the victim agrees) when a serial burglar who had been imprisoned for burglary before and who was out on bail for yet another attempt only gets 11 months in prison.

    At 19 years old with several prior convictions and now this and they think that it will rehabilitate him to stick him in prison for another year?

    Glad that this guy was able to quickly solve his case (sad that he had to pay the price once before years ago) and get this guy behind bars but I'm sure it won't stop someone else from being burglarized by this guy again. :(

    1. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      I'm sure it won't stop someone else from being burglarized by this guy again. :(
      What then? 2 years? 5? Off with his head? Whatt is going to rehabilitate him?
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    2. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "burglarized"

      burgled.

      The word you are looking for is burgled.

      There is no such word as burglarized.

      A burglar burgles.

    3. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Wordsmith · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure "off with his head" would prevent further burglaries. It just might also prevent other things while you're at it.

    4. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

      See here.

      Looks good to me.

    5. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      How many years would rehabilitate him, you believe? 2? 4? 10? life?

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    6. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by slashrogue · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, but when's the last time sending someone to jail meant actual attempts at rehabilitating those kinds of criminal tendencies (in this case, burglary)? Just throwing someone in jail isn't going to make them "wise up" or whatever. Without actually attempting to make changes, we won't see any.

    7. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Then you'd better tell the people at Merriam-Webster, as it seems they disagree:
      burglarize

    8. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

      but a hamburglar doesn't hamburgle, he robbles.

    9. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by gowen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Do you do this for other perfectly good verbs?

      Do American thieves thieverize?
      Do American rapists raperize?
      Does American pirates indulge in piratisation?

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    10. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by AndroidCat · · Score: 0

      For a guy of 19, he sure looks like his hair disappearing quickly!

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    11. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Peeteriz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Repeated crimes should be treated completely differently than first-time offenders.

      People who have already been given four or five chances to reform, but still commit violent crimes have shown that they will NOT reform.

      Such criminals can screw up the lives of a hundred other people, and then they are let go and go on and hurt a dozen more before they get caught - is this acceptable ?

      There is a need to protect the innocent from them - so they must be permanently isolated from society. The only options are life inprisonment (in jail or psychiatric clinic), death penalty, and exile (as was done earlier, them being sent to Australia, for example). Anything else, and more people get hurt.

      In my area a while ago a woman was brutally raped and murdered. Soon after that the murderer was caught - he had been convicted six times already - once for theft, four times for robberies, and once for rape.

      I cannot help but think that those who pass laws, allowing such light penalties to hardened criminals, must take responsibility for this woman's death.

    12. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Tx · · Score: 1

      Yep, I think we in the UK need something like the "three strikes" policy which I think happens in the US. Once an offender has been imprisoned more than once for an offence, and demonstrated that a short sentence is no deterrent for him/her, there needs to be some greater sanction automatically applied.

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    13. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      People don't *need* to rob and steal for drugs at all. That's the basic premise of your argument, and it's fatally flawed.

      They rob and steal because they *want* money for drugs. Not because they *need* it.

      All legalising 'hard' drugs is going to do is generate a lot of useless people who will still end up robbing and stealing for their drugs, no matter how little they cost.

    14. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by mc6809e · · Score: 1

      What then? 2 years? 5? Off with his head? Whatt is going to rehabilitate him?

      An ass-kicking.

      Oh wait. That's not civilized.

      Being civilized means the uncivilized get to walk all over us.

      Perhaps Ward Churchill can help us understand why Mr Grisby deserved to be robbed.

    15. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by cliffski · · Score: 4, Insightful

      don't forget on average he will serve only half his sentence. So even if he factors in the odd 8 months inside (full bed and board) given breaking into houses or a minimum wage job hes probably behaving rationally.
      Given the threat of 5 years seriously hard labour in prison with no TV, no radio, nothing but basic food water and a cell would he be as likely to break in again? I know I wouldn't.

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    16. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Whatt is going to rehabilitate him?

      I do agree with your sentiment on this issue. But, in this case:

      Police eventually tracked down Park, who has 33 previous convictions of theft, to Kingsway Flats in Cambridge where he tried to escape by climbing over the balcony on February 10.

      The guy has 33 convictions. Is there a point where rehabilitations can even work?

    17. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, speaking from a country which has even less sentences for crime:

      The only thing that can rehabilitate him is the desire to change.

      Far too many here are so busy "rushing" them back to society, only to find out that when they do get out, they go back in the old habits regardless of the choices. Why? There was no punishment the last time. There's a path of lawfulness and a path of crime, and all the did was bring you back to the crossroad. It doesn't help that prison is basicly a decent hotel, except you can't leave the premises. I know students who almost lived that way voluntarily, think EQ addicts or similar, except you don't have to waste time working or cooking.

      11 months is more than long enough. But I would like him to know how much other people have worked to earn the money to buy what he stole. Have him work in prison, but get nothing in return. That's what he's been putting other people through. Even a sociopath would get the picture when it happens to himself.

      Kjella

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    18. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by nharmon · · Score: 1

      Many of us in the U.S. are opposed to the "three strikes" rule. Typically, a person convicted of a violent crime for the 3rd time, gets life. And it's not uncommon that those on their 3rd chance will go to drastic measures (up to and including murder) to prevent themselves from being caught again.

    19. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Here's a newsflash. If drugs were legalized, they would still be potentially addictive, and still cost money. Sugar, coffee, and tobacco don't usually lead to behavior that causes one to lose their job. Alcohol, on the other hand, sometimes does, especially when the person becomes addicted.

      I really can't see how legalizing drugs would keep people from 1) becoming addicted, 2) losing jobs because of their addiction, and 3) resorting to stealing because they can't find work.

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    20. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by pboulang · · Score: 0

      Hell, we even verberize nouns. . .

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    21. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep your idiological axe grinding to yourself. He got 11 months in prison. You spend ONE month in prison and tell us how easy it is. Losing a year (-1 month) of your youth for a few thousand bucks is not a light sentence.

    22. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Trigun · · Score: 1

      well, where he's going, they would have just used it as a handle anyway. He'd best pin back his ears too.

    23. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by mikael · · Score: 1

      It doesn't say a whole lot (and the victim agrees) when a serial burglar who had been imprisoned for burglary before and who was out on bail for yet another attempt only gets 11 months in prison.

      At 19 years old with several prior convictions and now this and they think that it will rehabilitate him to stick him in prison for another year?


      Oh don't worry, he'll only need to serve half his sentence if he behaves himself in prison, as the government have started an Early Release Program for Prisoners to relieve overcrowing in jail.

      The prison governors were against this, because it took at least a year to completely rehabilitate people (around half were illiterate, or had no educational skills, if not drug users as well).

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    24. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by emilymildew · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Damn my lack of mod points. That was funny.

    25. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two most commonly stolen items in convenience store robberies (other than money, of course)

      1. Alcohol (legal product)
      2. Tobacco (legal product)

      Bad guys are bad guys. Just because something addictive is legal does not mean that it will stop crime related to the possesion of that product. The type of crime will just change. So the whole, "Legalize drugs, it will stop crime" argument is bogus just on the face of it. Now stop trying to use unrelated Slashdot stories to push your personal political agenda.

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    26. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three strikes is horribly abused. You get convicted up at 18 for theft because you're young and dumb, at 19 for destruction of property after breaking something valuable by falling into it drunk, and at 20 you smoke a joint in the wrong state and blammo - life in the joint.

    27. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by MartinG · · Score: 4, Funny

      In English there is no such word.
      Remember though that slashdot is American and that Americans can't speak English. :-)

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    28. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Ithika · · Score: 1

      Why is that an 8-month sentence means "full bed and board" and yet 5 years means it's suddenly "seriously hard labour"? What about 8 months seriously hard labour in prison with no TV, no radio, nothing but basic food water and a cell. Doesn't that equalise things a bit, or were you relying on emotive language to make a poor point?

    29. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you in fact mean piratization?

      It seems that exponentially the fewer times 's' occurs in american english, the happier their dictionaries (dictionariez?) are about it.

    30. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > I really can't see how legalizing drugs would keep people from 1) becoming
      > addicted, 2) losing jobs because of their addiction, and 3) resorting to
      > stealing because they can't find work.

      1) Many people are addicted to substances, both legal and illegal, and still work as lawyers, doctors, policemen etc etc. You can still function perfectly well. My grandad was addicted to nicotine for 50 odd years.

      2) You don't lose your job because you're addicted to something, otherwise you wouldn't see a huddle of addicts hanging around outside most companies in the UK enjoying a cigarette. If I was addicted to cigarettes and lost my job over it I'd take the company to court.

      3) You've hit the nail on the head - poor people steal. But one way to break the link between poverty and crime is to stop treating drug addicts like criminals and start helping them, and one way in which you can help them is to stop the current requirement that they break the law in order to pay for the drugs.

    31. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 1

      I live in the US and fully support 3 strikes and gone, and when I say gone I mean GONE! If someone can't clean up their life after 3 attempts, then it just isn't going to happen.

      As for the "drastic measures" stuff, that pretty much proves the point. Any person that is so screwed up that he commits murder to try and avoid his 3rd strike penelty, doesn't deserve to live in a civilized world.

    32. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      They probably have sentencing guidelines they have to follow like they do in the US. He only had two prior convictions for burglary (which can be for as little as stealing a bike) and I would assume they ratchet up the sentences with each conviction. I don't think they are concerned with rehabilitation just like they don't bother with it here (and we pay for this attitude when they get out and become recidivists). If he does this again he may be in for an extended "vacation".

      The fact is that the years around 19 are the ones a male is most likely to engage in crime so even a few years in prison during these years will make a difference.

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    33. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Two most commonly stolen items in convenience store robberies (other than
      > money, of course)
      >1. Alcohol (legal product)
      >2. Tobacco (legal product)

      Yes, and they're stolen because you can easily sell them on to other people.

      > Bad guys are bad guys

      What does this mean?

      > Just because something addictive is legal does not mean that it will stop crime
      > related to the possesion of that product.

      If it's legal it'll be cheaper than if it's illegal. Hello? Do you understand?

    34. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      still commit violent crimes
      This wasn't a violent crime. It was extremely unpleasant, but it wasn't violent.
    35. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by parliboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      burglarize (bûrgl-rz)

      1. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises).
      2. To commit burglary against: The second-floor tenants have been burglarized twice.

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      burgle (bûrgl)

      To burglarize.

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    36. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare alcohol theft now to the gang behavior during Prohibition. Yes, there are valid arguments for the anti-crime effects of legalizing drugs. Knocking over a "drug store" to steal drugs is on a whole different plane from the constant murders resulting from the drug trade being run by an illegal underground.

    37. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      I really can't see how legalizing drugs would keep people from 1) becoming addicted, 2) losing jobs because of their addiction, and 3) resorting to stealing because they can't find work.

      First, we *know* that keeping it illegal doesn't do any of those things either, plus it makes people involved in drugs violent as well, since they have cops hunting them.

      Second, it makes addicts more approachable for regular medical help, if they need it. In the Netherlands, possession (for own use) and use of drugs are not illegal, only drug trade is. Heavy addicts can get free doses of methadon, a heroin substitute. There are lots of resocializing programs.

      Sale of so-called "soft" drugs (i.e., weed), isn't officially legal but it's "tolerated". That's because they are really no problem, and selling them in their own stores keeps weed smokers away from the hard stuff. Legalizing it is impossible because of pressure from other countries.

      In short, the Dutch policy is extremely pragmatic. Other countries are mostly legalistic. I believe that the drug problem in the Netherlands is much smaller than in other Western countries.

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    38. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by WoodenRobot · · Score: 1

      From what I hear, that's the case in South Africa - famous for carjacking. Now they kill the driver rather than just take the car. The logic being if getting caught either way will lead to life behind bars, why not kill the witnesses?

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    39. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > I'm sorry where in the article did it say he was doing it for drug money?

      It doesn't. But much `property crime` (theft, robbery, burglary) is carried out by people addicted to drugs, so it's very possibly that this is this guy's motivation.

    40. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait. You mean a repeat criminal might NOT WANT TO GET CAUGHT? OMGWTFBBQ! How can we let this happen? The poor unsuspecting bad guys might get offended! We should stop this right away!
      /sarcasm
      Seriously, OF COURSE they are going to work harder to try and get away AFTER commiting thier 3rd offense if they know the penalty will be more severe. I mean, who WANTS to go to prison? The fact that they are willing to be even more violent just to get away only proves that they need to be seperated from society and that they are NOT REFORMABLE. 3 Strikes is a good setup. It should be used in MORE places around the world. Not less.

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    41. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      "It doesn't help that prison is basicly a decent hotel"

      Are you kidding? You consider being surround by constant screaming and yelling, hyper-aggresive criminals preying on you, a total lack of privacy, regular violence, endless mind numbing boredom, callous guards, and food that barely meets the requirements to be food to be a "decent hotel"? I'd hate to see the hotels you've stayed at. Prison is punishment, don't ever think otherwise.

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    42. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by pegr · · Score: 5, Funny

      "burglarized"

      burgled.

      The word you are looking for is burgled.

      There is no such word as burglarized.

      A burglar burgles.


      You're absolutely right. I apogle.

    43. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      Bastard. First Coke of the day and you made me blow it out my nose.

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    44. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you already know. Did you "drop the soap" a lot while in the clink?

    45. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Misch · · Score: 1

      Answers:
      1) It won't.
      2) It won't.
      3) Probably won't.

      The idea being that if we end this drug war, we can cut out a large portion of the spending that we currently do for the "drug war". A portion of that moeny can be funneled immideatley into social "safety-net" programs to treat those who have addiction problems. (Other immideate savings will have to go to re-training those who will lose their jobs [many people in the DEA for example.]) We'll still need to have some of them around anyway because we'll probably end up taxing the shit out of the drugs.

      We'll also see some savings by reducing the number of people who become incarcerated because of drug convictions. I'm pretty sure we'll be able to find some jaywalkers to fill up the prisons, so we'll be okay there.

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    46. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      It doesn't say a whole lot (and the victim agrees) when a serial burglar who had been imprisoned for burglary before and who was out on bail for yet another attempt only gets 11 months in prison.

      Don't forget that he's had his identity (that would be Benjamin Park, 19, of Cambridge, fact fans!) and rather high-quality photos of his fine person conducting in criminal activity on the national news and spread around the world.

      I think that's a remarkably fitting punishment... ;-)

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    47. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      The sentence was probably light on this guy because it was a property crime.

      As I understand it, Britain has a lot of problems with this... also, while you can't carry a handgun, you can put razor-wire over your fence. Yeah, Britain's weird.

      The only way to fix the problem would be more jobs and better living conditions for these guys. Lifting drug prohibition might help too... keeps the criminal records away from the casual users, gets a lot of non-violent people out of jain, lowers prices through competition and brings addiction problems closer to the medical system.

      ... in theory :-)

    48. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but you're wrong. Both forms of the word are correct. Try looking it up in a dictionary some time.

    49. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems that enough times a word is used, it finds its way into a dictionary. Shamefully "blog" is considered a word now.

    50. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      I wonder if someone actually cared about his well being if he'd recove... oops, sorry, hang the bastard!

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    51. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

      There is indeed such a word as burglarize, and "burgle" has been relegated to a mere synonym.

    52. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try to imagine your parent poster's context and use a non-pussy drug as your example instead.

    53. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by R.Caley · · Score: 2, Insightful
      don't forget on average he will serve only half his sentence.

      Somehow I doubt that someone who got 33 convictions by 19 will manage to keep his nose clean in jail and get full remission for good behaviour.

      This guy is not only antisocial, he is stupid when he is being antisocial and gets caught a lot.

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    54. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by pclminion · · Score: 1
      While I agree the situation is not ideal, it's more important to incarcerate violent criminals than nonviolent ones. Putting this person away for 5 years, for instance, would tie up a jail cell for 5 years that could instead have been used to incarcerate a violent offender.

      Building larger prisons isn't necessarily the solution. At least in the United States, that tends to lead to those new cells being filled by nonviolent drug offenders and minorities.

    55. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by pqdave · · Score: 1

      But if drugs were legal, they'd be a fraction of their current cost, so if nothing else addicts wouldn't have to steal as much, and more of them would be able to support their habit without other crime. If police and the courts don't have to spend time dealing with drug crime, they will have more time to deal with crime that affects the rest of us directly.

    56. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by TobascoKid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whatt is going to rehabilitate him?

      Nothing.

      I think that there are some people who are effectively a lost cause and barring some form of 'Clockwork Orange' style reprogramming being developed, should not be allowed out in society unguided.

      I am not advocating '3 strikes and you get life in prison'. What I think is that there should be some form of structured, guarded communities set up that serial offenders are sent to live in.

      Instead of cells, inmates would live in flats and would be required to pay rent/utility bills if they are able to find a job in the outside world (which inmates would be expected to try and find). When inmates leave the community to go to work on the outside they are GPS tagged and their locations tracked. The tags would also emit a signal so that way shopkeepers would know that a serial shoplifter has entered, or pub landlord would know if someone who serially get drunks and gets into fights in pubs has walked into the pub. They will be expected to return by set times (though there has to be some flexibilty here - ie traffic jams) and the community itself will have a set internal curfew. Yes, it's big brother, but these are convicted criminals.

      One possible benefit is that an inmates family could optionally choose to live with the inmate inside the community. There was an item recently on the news about the issues surrounding sending single mums to prison that guarded communities would get around.

      Hopefully over time a convicted criminal could be eased back into society. Unlike a prison environment which bares no relationship to free society, the guarded community would at least bare some relationship to outside world so hopefully the inmate would learn to behave themselves.

      Tk

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    57. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by renderhead · · Score: 1
      Americans can't speak English.


      I resent that! We choose not to speak English. Now back off before I throw this tea in the harbor!
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    58. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Funny, but...

      The difference is which word is the original.

      A Burglar is someone who burgles, with burgle being the root word that you are modifying to describe a person.

      Technically, to burglarize should be defined as "making someone into a burglar."

      To apologize is to make an apology. Apology being the root word that you are modifying. The apropriate modification is apologizer, which is a valid word with an appropriate definition.

    59. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      burglarize (bûrgl-rz)

      1. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises).
      2. To commit burglary against: The second-floor tenants have been burglarized twice.


      Odd. Seems like a more logical meaning would be, "to turn somebody into a burglar."

    60. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      11 months in prison sentenced by a judge rarely actually means 11 months in prison. I give him 5, tops, because of overcrowding and "good behaviour". Still, 5 is a long time.

    61. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      burgle (bûrgl) To burglarize

      That's an American dictionary, isn't it? This crime (the burglary, not the language-mangling) took place in England.

    62. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strewth!

    63. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      doesn't deserve to live in a civilized world

      But what about in America?

    64. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many of those robberies are done by people who can't legally buy those products? I've met people who've stolen alcohol from a convenience store because they couldn't legally buy it.

    65. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by cliffski · · Score: 1

      not at all. Im suggesting both that the sentence, and the way that sentence is served both need changing. I thought that was clear.

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    66. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      Try rereading my earlier post. What I said was an addiction to alcohol or drugs can cause you to lose your job. In a few cases, nicotene can, but because there are a few companies now (UCS is one) that make not smoking a company policy.

      The reasons alcohol and drug addiction can cause you to lose your job are really twofold. First, random testing. People who actually become addicted need a fix more frequently, and will sometimes risk getting their fix during working hours. Of course, with drugs, the residuals last much longer, so it wouldn't matter if someone were doing them during working hours or not. The second is people who are actually addicted typically begin to do/drink drugs/alcohol in larger quantities, and eventually begin either missing work, or underperforming during work.

      I never said an addiction to tobacco products in and of itself could cause one to lose their job for the same reasons that drug/alcohol addictions can.

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    67. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      since they have cops hunting them

      I've got some news for you. PCP, meth, and cocaine users don't get violent because cops are chasing them, they get violent because of a reaction to the drugs. That may be true, however, for other drugs.

      can get free doses of methadon

      Methadone is also addictive... not a great trade there, one addiction for another.

      isn't officially legal but it's "tolerated". That's because they are really no problem

      There really is a problem with that... the lack of regulation of them means anyone can put anything in them with no label. People die from reactions to bad drugs being sold on the black market.

      That being said, I really don't know anything about how The Netherlands deals with drugs, just the US. I do know this... legalizing them here would not make people any less addicted, nor would it make them stop spending money on them that they should be spending on things like rent, food, maybe savings. People who can't pay their rent are much more likely to steal than people who can.

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    68. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is which word is the original.
      But you have to consider that burgle is a backformation from burglar - that is, the term Burglar was in use before the term Burgle was.

    69. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      A portion of that moeny can be funneled immideatley into social "safety-net" programs to treat those who have addiction problems

      What portion would you suggest that would make everyone happy? The problem is, you can't make everyone happy. I personally don't think any of my hard earned tax dollars should be spent on someone who obviously made some bad choices. I didn't make those bad choices.. why can't I get some free gubment money? I really think rerouting the money spent isn't a great idea at all.

      Add to that, legalizing drugs would give some people the perception that there's nothing wrong with doing them (much like cigarettes). With that in mind, you run the risk of even more people becoming addicted, and having to spend more of "my" tax dollars helping these people out.

      Filling the jails with them, however, is not a great solution. Drugs are the great conundrum of our time... you're really danged if you do and danged if you don't.

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    70. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      addicts wouldn't have to steal as much

      That's a solution? You're also ignoring one of the fundamental problems of an addiction. When you have an addiction to a mood/mind altering drug/alcohol, you come down from them. Your next fix isn't as good, and you need to take more to hit that high again. You then come down harder. Eventually, this cycle starts causing other problems with things like your health, your ability to decide what's right from wrong (meaning trying to get up to go to work in the morning... I'm not talking about murder here), etc... Those things can potentially cause someone to lose their job. No job, no income. No income.... well, you see where this is going.

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    71. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by EnglishTim · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having been driven to distraction by burgalrized, I did a little research and it turns out that both the words burglar and burglarized are only about 135 years old - before then there was only the word burgled. The first recorded occurrence of the world burgle in writing appeared in 1870 in a London newspaper, burglarized appearing a year later in a New York newspaper. It seems burgle caught on over here in the UK, whereas burlarizer became popular in the USA.

      Having grown up with burgle, I had always assumed that burglarized was just down to the American tendency to 'verbize' words - using the word 'leverage' instead of 'lever' for instance.

    72. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For career criminals prison is a place to relax and meet old friends. I'd hate to see the prisons you've stayed at.

    73. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      No kidding. I don't know in what universe throwing someone in with a bunch of criminals is supposed to make them stop being a criminal. Prison is about the most warped enviroment possible. Some people manage to reject the place and become members of society agian, but for every one of those, there are who get sucked into gangs and prison life, making connections for when they get out.

      I'd rather see criminals completely forbidden from socializing with any other criminals whatsoever. Which is obviously an absurd preposition in prison, but it's what I'd like. People serving time could not interact with anyone serving time.

      And, like you, I'd like to see the non-violent ones living in small apartments, with few amenities. Think prison cells you can leave, except you have to cook your own food. (Okay, think dorm rooms.) You have a TV, but all you can watch is non-fiction. You're not allowed to eat out, unless you have a job that requires it, you're not allowed to see a movie, you will get a small allowance, and you will be told where you can spend it. You will have a schedule. You should have a job, and the money will be saved for you when you get out. These restrictions will slowly be relaxed over time, until the GPS is taken off, you get all your money, and you either have to pay rent or move somewhere else.

      The violent ones are a different matter, and I don't divide those the way everyone else does.If you're a serial killer or serial rapists or some other sort of sociopath...well, we should just get an island for those idiots and throw them there, and airdrop some food every week.

      If you're someone who coldly decided to kill someone because it benefited you, well, you're never going to be unwatched. Tough. You think benefit to you is worth people, and are extremely dangerous. This includes 'thugs for hire'.

      If you're someone who killed someone in the heat of the moment or because a robbery went south...well, we'll see if you're fixable.

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    74. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by the+MaD+HuNGaRIaN · · Score: 1

      Just don't let the Turd Burglars read this.....they're confused enough already!

    75. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMAO - good one.

    76. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax and meet old friends? You speak from experience?

    77. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1

      Ahh so then anytime someone steals property its a call to assume they are using drugs and thus we should make them legal... I got a great idea we can also assume when anyone farts it means that they really want drugs and if we want to keep methane levels on the planet down we should legalize hard drugs, after all the average person farts en times a day...

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    78. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by thatiger · · Score: 1

      I'm glad to see so many people RTFA!. At age 19, the burgler has had 13 previous convictions not 33.

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    79. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      That's a solution? You're also ignoring one of the fundamental problems of an addiction. When you have an addiction to a mood/mind altering drug/alcohol, you come down from them. Your next fix isn't as good, and you need to take more to hit that high again. You then come down harder. Eventually, this cycle starts causing other problems with things like your health, your ability to decide what's right from wrong (meaning trying to get up to go to work in the morning...
      So? It's *** EXACTLY THE SAME THING*** with alcohol, yet alcohol remains legal.
    80. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by pqdave · · Score: 1

      I don't think laws have that much of an effect on the number of addicts--A first offence drug bust is just about the most minor of the bad thing drugs can do to you. Either way, no job etc. Not a solution, but lower cost mitigates the effect on the rest of us. I'm also in favor of eliminating laws when they don't affect others. If you are quietly drunk or stoned and not endangering others, you should be left alone. If you are endangering others due to imparement, it shouldn't matter much why. The only exception I can think of is driving (or operating other dangerous machinery) while impared.

    81. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Sox2 · · Score: 1

      did you RTFA? the other link to the cambridge news paper says 33. maybe typo but at least R.Caley did RTFA!

    82. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by GQuon · · Score: 1

      This is Norway we're talking about, right? Yeah, "decent hotel" sounds about right. Actually, "decent motel" would be more accurate.

      Anectdote: I remember Linda Blair, (Pierce Brosnan?), and other actors held a press conference in California to raise awareness about the fact that anti-whaling activists were having their throats slit in Norwegian prisons. Trouble is, there hadn't been a person killed (murder, manslaughter or capital punishment) in Norwegian prisons for years. If at all in living memory...

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    83. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it's exactly the same thing... just similar. Frankly, I don't know enough about both to be considered an expert. And, unless you are a doctor or a psychiatrist, I would doubt that you do either.

      My point has not been to say drugs and alcohol are the same thing. My point has been to point out that legalizing drugs is not the cure for keeping drug addicts from stealing. However, someone saw fit to mod the original post as offtopic.

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    84. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      Regarding laws that don't affect others, I couldn't agree with you more. I did some research into the seatbelt law in Texas, just because it annoys me. I do wear mine, but don't think it should be by law. As it turns out, the law isn't in effect to protect the good citizens of Texas. Rather, it's was lobbied for by insurance companies. Once again, big business wins out.

      Personally, if someone wants to do something stupid and get themselves killed, more power to them. All of these laws are reversing the effects of Darwinism ;)

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    85. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Bah! Balding moderators on crack...

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    86. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by pqdave · · Score: 1

      ...as long as they get themselves killed cheaply, not at great taxpayer (or insurance company) expense.

    87. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Ass kickings are civilized.

      Check out the corporal punishment in places like Singapore. I believe having your ass professionally kicked will deter you from committing the same crime again. It might make you more creative to try something else. But I'm sure you won't make the same mistake twice.

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    88. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Pope · · Score: 1

      No he doesn't, he's an encyclopedia salesman!

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    89. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by DylanQuixote · · Score: 1

      From WordNet (r) 2.0:
      burgle
      v : commit a burglary; enter and rob a
      dwelling [syn: {burglarize}, {burglarise}, {heist}]

    90. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=burglariz e

      Jackass

      burglarize Audio pronunciation of "burglarize" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bûrgl-rz)
      v. burglarized, burglarizing, burglarizes
      v. tr.

      1. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises).
      2. To commit burglary against: The second-floor tenants have been burglarized twice.

      v. intr.

      To commit burglary.

    91. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Altus · · Score: 1



      you need to remember a simple truth about addiction.... an addict will always do enough work to get themselves their next fix.

      youd be amazed.

      If pot really made the people who used it as lazy as the government would like you to think it does, nobody would get out of their houses to buy more.

      leave the firing to people who underperform for any reason at all and you will be just fine... with or without leagal drugs.

      and remember... the cost of producing heroin is low... pot is actually dirt cheep (costs roughly what the soil it is grown in is worth)... if it wernt for the black market inflation these drugs would be quite affordable to those who choose to use them... even with insanely high tax rates.

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    92. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Altus · · Score: 1



      you really need to think about how cheep drugs would be to produce if they were not illegal... the number of people put into poverty by their addiction to legal heroin would be just about the same as the number of people who cant pay the rent due to their addiction to cigarettes

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    93. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know someone who knows someone who knows Linda Blair. I'm famous.

    94. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 1

      Dude! They totally did this like 200 years ago, except with all of that tracking stuff (as it didn't really exist back then).

      You would never believe how it ended up...

    95. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by sfjoe · · Score: 1

      Given the threat of 5 years seriously hard labour in prison with no TV, no radio, nothing but basic food water and a cell would he be as likely to break in again? I know I wouldn't.


      That's a popular sentiment that gets used very succesfully by politicians to get re-elected. Unfortunately, it has little basis in fact. The strongest deterrent to committing crime is the likelihood of getting caught - not the punishment if you do get caught. Putting more cops on the street is cheaper and more effective than building more prisons for to hold people for longer terms.

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    96. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by nharmon · · Score: 1

      You're right, and while we keep putting criminals in a prison system where all they learn is how to be better criminals, I guess we can keep being surprised when they get out and reoffend.

    97. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      an addict will always do enough work to get themselves their next fix

      While it's possible that your statement is sometimes true, it's impossible to use the word always. In my earlier career years, I witnessed, firsthand, an addiction take control of a friend. I tried many times to help, but eventually she not only lost her job because she just stopped showing up, she wound up in jail as well.

      In regards to your comment on pot... I never once mentioned pot. I did, however, mention PCP, cocaine, and meth.

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    98. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      I really don't need to think about it at all. The difference in savins people would realize if it were cheaper would be offset by the number of people unable to do/show up to their jobs. Either way, taxpayers would still be taking care of them... wether that be because they're in jail, or on welfare.

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    99. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by renderhead · · Score: 1

      Heh heh! "Learnd," boy. It's pronounced "learnd."

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    100. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having grown up with burgle, I had always assumed that burglarized was just down to the American tendency to 'verbize' words - using the word 'leverage' instead of 'lever' for instance.

      Americans do often badly misuse words ("loose" vs. "lose" seems to be a favorite mistake, here on slashdot), but the case you cite is a bad example.

      "Leverage" is a word with a different meaning than "lever". A "lever" is a physical device. "Leverage" is an abstract concept, meaning, roughly, "the ability to apply the force of a lever". This abstract meaning then gets used metaphorically, to create even more distinct language usage.

      For example, to blackmail someone can be to "apply leverage", and to possess the ability to blackmail someone can be to "have leverage against" them. To "lever" something, however, usually means to move something physically, using a tangible (as opposed to abstract) lever.

      Enjoy your daily language lesson! :-)
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    101. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Altus · · Score: 1



      your right... you didnt mention pot... but as I said, heroin is cheep to produce to... as are all the drugs you mentioned.

      right now this stuff is more expensive than gold... if you had a gold addiction you might end up robbing people to feed it too... but if your addiction was to something cheep like cigarettes, you probably wouldnt have to.

      Im not saying drugs are harmless either... they are not... and can easily be abused (both the legal and illegal ones) but you can count me among the number that would rather see us spending all this money on prevention and education rather than on prosecution and incarceration.

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    102. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by odin53 · · Score: 1

      And it's not uncommon that those on their 3rd chance will go to drastic measures (up to and including murder) to prevent themselves from being caught again.

      Seems kind of irrelevant when you're talking about the propriety of the three strikes rule. If a person is capable of murder or resorting to some other violence because the person, having willingly committed yet another crime, doesn't want to get caught, then that's the kind of person we want to lock up for the rest of his life. Getting rid of the three strikes rule wouldn't do anything to prevent that kind of person from committing another crime and possibly resorting to murder/violence to cover his tracks. I'm not willing to be easier on someone who wouldn't have killed or hurt a victim or a witness if it weren't for that damn three strikes rule.

    103. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Actually, I chose lever/leverage for good reason.

      'Lever' is both a noun and a verb:

      "I used the plank as a lever to open the door."
      "I levered open the door."

      'Leverage' is the advantage of having a lever - it's not a verb, it's a state.

      If someone says "You can leverage your market position", surely they'd be more correct to say "You can lever your market position"...

    104. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Were they 33 separate incidents, or was he convicted once on 33 counts of theft because they found a bunch of stuff in his shed, or what? At only 19 I doubt he could have been convicted 33 separate times if he tried.

    105. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      Having grown up with burgle, I had always assumed that burglarized was just down to the American tendency to 'verbize' words - using the word 'leverage' instead of 'lever' for instance

      The amusing thing about that statement is we don't verb the term verb. Instead we simply verb words even if they're nouned verbs to begin with.

      Wow, I can barely read what I entered there, and it is theoretically correct american english.

    106. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by ikcotyck · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. according to the online etymology dictionary (look up "burglar" here http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=b&p=21), "burgle" (1872) is actually a "hideous back-formation" of "burglarize" (1871).

    107. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Um, he's 19 and he manages to get 13 convictions. If he would have stayed in jail the whole time, he probably would not get that many. Most criminals don't commit crimes in jail afaik. There is no need either, basic livelyhood is provided. Back in the real world, with nothing to do and noone to watch, drugs to be had, yes, that's another case entirely.

    108. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      I'm glad to see so many people RTFA!. At age 19, the burgler has had 13 previous convictions not 33.

      So I made a typo, so sue me. The point stands.

      I read the article before it came up here.

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    109. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      Most criminals don't commit crimes in jail afaik.

      Prisons are well known for their lack of violence and drugs of course.

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    110. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by nharmon · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying that the three strikes rule is more or less an admission that the penal system sucks.

      I mean, it's like, if a person gets out of prison and goes right back to a life of crime. Even though it is still his/her fault, and he/she still has to pay the penalty...it is also safe to say that the penal system failed in that instance.

    111. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by odin53 · · Score: 1

      I see what you're saying. It's true -- we really need to work on improving the recidivism rate. I don't know enough about implementations of the three strikes rule to know whether the rule even addresses it -- at least, before the third strike is made.

    112. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by binford2k · · Score: 1

      Interesting, the legal definition of 'burglary' is to enter the dwelling of another at night with the intent to commit a felony[1]. I wonder why 'burglarize' would be defined differently, even though it's the same root word, unless the dictionary has it wrong.

      [1] Yes, the definition is this specific, we just went over it in Business Law.

    113. Re:Serial burglar at 19... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Seriously, OF COURSE they are going to work harder to try and get away AFTER commiting thier 3rd offense if they know the penalty will be more severe.
      That's assuming that they can actually count to three.
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  6. Note to self... by Traegorn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Note to self: Next time, wear a mask.

    1. Re:Note to self... by archen · · Score: 1

      or pull down your pants and stick your ass in front of a camera so that people stop paying attention to what's on it.

    2. Re:Note to self... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scratch that.

      Note to self: next time, wear a mask that looks like Ben Park's face.

      (But wait 11 months first.)

  7. *giggle* by wviperw · · Score: 0

    "I was relieved it did what I'd intended it to when I was burgled again."

    Tee hee, he said "burgled."

    /me prepares for onslaught of non-US posters explaining why burgled is technically correct

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    1. Re:*giggle* by geoffspear · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Right. We Americans all know the proper term is "burlgerificationized."

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    2. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Now go watch cricket. I hear one of the pitchers bowled a sticky wicket right after rolling a wicket googlie.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I must go dispose of some superfluous u's. Color! Armor! Honor! Valor! Vigor! Vapor! Weeeeeee! (Oh, and it's Zee, not Zed! And it's LEUtenant, not LEFtenant!)

    3. Re:*giggle* by Ithika · · Score: 1

      "And it's LEUtenant, not LEFtenant!"

      What? I thought it was the Americans that had a problem with the French. Now they're using near-French pronunciation over an alternative! I wonder if they have a word for entrepreneur?

    4. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The word "burgled" makes you laugh?

      What makes everyone else in the English speaking world laugh is that Americans found it necessary to disregard that word and come up with their own, more complicated one.

      "Burglarized" is a ludicrous word, not used anywhere else I might add. Goodness only knows why it was invented.

      It's like saying "I shopperized for a hat."

    5. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder if they have a word for entrepreneur?

      The American pronunciation of entrepreneur is 'fucked'.

    6. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder if they have a word for entrepreneur?
      Yes. Proprietor. Executive. Businessman/woman. Professional. Capitalist...
    7. Re:*giggle* by EkkiEkkiShiwaddle · · Score: 2, Funny
      "when the thieving cunt nicked my stuff"

      might not be suitable for newspapers though.

      Ok, then how about:

      "when the thieving cunt nicked my belongings"

      Better?

    8. Re:*giggle* by Orgadam · · Score: 1

      Burglarized

    9. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Businessman/woman

      HULK VOICE: Bidness-MAN SLASH woo-MAN!

    10. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes everyone else in the English speaking world laugh is that Americans found it necessary to disregard that word and come up with their own, more complicated one.

      You say "way out", I say "exit"...
      You say "petroleum", I say "oil"...
      Let's call the whole thing off!

    11. Re:*giggle* by badmammajamma · · Score: 1

      I'd rather say "shopperized" than "shoppled!"

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    12. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Burgle and Burglarize showed up at about the same point, both being derived from Burglar late in the 19th Century.

    13. Re:*giggle* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears, my friend, that the entire world has faggotized you

  8. infos ? by mirko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    could we have some more info about his setup, including the cost, ease of installation... whatever he'd need to have the pics automatically posted to one of these googlemail (at least the GB of storage could be justified) accounts ?

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    1. Re:infos ? by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm actually not so sure it was emailed. At the beginning, in the article, they state a few times over that it was mailed to an address.

      Down at the bottom, where it says how he did it, it says "That program instructs the computer to grab photos from the video camera - up to five stills per second - and then send them over the internet to a webpage where they are stored for viewing. " They may not be emailed at all - this just might be some stupid journalist (or journalist dumbing things down for the stupid reader) "helping" to explain how it happened.

    2. Re:infos ? by The_Mr_Flibble · · Score: 1

      Ok goto to freshmeat and look for a package called motion install on linux box with cam installed.

      Tweak.

    3. Re:infos ? by mortonda · · Score: 0

      Looks like he used motion and some handmade scripts.

    4. Re:infos ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The victim briefly describes the setup on the cam.misc newsgroup.

  9. Chav by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Baseball cap, thuggish look, awful clothes. Screams thieving chav. Where's the burberry?

    1. Re:Chav by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno. But you can *almost* see the riced up fiesta sitting outside, with alloys. Maybe the burberry is on the back shelf, next to his rizla and skunk?

  10. How to do this on a Mac by weave · · Score: 4, Informative
    Evocam is a great piece of software, and cheap. Allows you to define different zones on the image to trigger different actions, like upload pictures via ftp or email, its own streaming webcam software on an internal webpage, and other neat fun.

    I have mine record movements while out as well as speak "Intruder alert, intruder alert" hoping to scare any would-be burglers away while snapping their photo.

    Hopefully it will never be "needed."

    A great use for the new Mac Mini too!

    1. Re:How to do this on a Mac by tritone · · Score: 2, Informative

      For Mac users KeyCam will do the job too.

    2. Re:How to do this on a Mac by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      "Intruder alert, intruder alert" (Bezerk), especially with cheesy voice-synth is good, but Sinistar's "Beware! I live!" followed the "RROAR!" with good bass and volume is perfect. ("Yes officer, it was that guy in the middle with the wet patch on his jeans.")

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    3. Re:How to do this on a Mac by DJNephilim · · Score: 0

      "Intruder alert"? Oh come on, any self respecting geek would use "EXTERMINATE EXTERMINAAAAAATE!!"

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    4. Re:How to do this on a Mac by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have mine record movements while out as well as speak "Intruder alert, intruder alert" hoping to scare any would-be burglers away while snapping their photo.

      No no no .. you want to play something that would arouse their curiosity, not scare them. That way, they walk over and stare at the computer (and camera).

    5. Re:How to do this on a Mac by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      Evocam is great. My only complaint is that the new version only works with 10.3, and the computer I want to use it on is an ancient Wallstreet with a firewire PCMCIA card. It's running the old Evocam now (under OS 9), but the new version has various features that would be nice to have.

      I use it to watch the pets in the yard. I set the motion sensor to be pretty sensitive, and when they move around it posts to my web page, where I can watch them from work.

  11. FYI by fizban · · Score: 4, Informative

    The victim, Duncan Grisby, is the developer of the excellent omniORB CORBA ORB.

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    1. Re:FYI by gowen · · Score: 1
      Well, I had a suspicion he may be a free software user. You'll notice at the bottom of the BBC article he says:
      "There are lot of products for Windows that you can use to do this - though I used some free software and wrote some extra software myself."
      (My italics)
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    2. Re:FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the burglar misinterpreted "broker" as "guy who breaks in".

  12. Should have sene his face. by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The webcam made our job really easy," added DS Page. "It was a pleasure to show him the pictures and see his expression when we interviewed him."

    If only they had a camera...

  13. Lesson about deterrence! by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "but it didn't stop him from stealing my things."

    What is the point of a secret weapon if you don't tell everyone about it?!

    1. Re:Lesson about deterrence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We must not allow a web-cam gap!

      /Dr. Stranglove is my hero. //Except for the whole Nazi bit.

  14. This looks like Zoneminder by Nashirak · · Score: 1

    He might have used ZoneMinder for this. The pictures look like stills from the program. Zoneminder

    1. Re:This looks like Zoneminder by CPrimerPlus · · Score: 0

      smart ppl use Python

    2. Re:This looks like Zoneminder by GreySeal2k01 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if he had obtained one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/71bc/ He would not have been burgled/burglarized at all

  15. His bandwidth is being burgled! by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

    Perhaps someone should mirror his site, as it is already slowing down.

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  16. Serial burglars? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's it, I'm turning off all my RS-232 ports RIGHT NOW!

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    1. Re:Serial Burglars? by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

      Not really, but they stay crunchy in milk.

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    2. Re:Serial Burglars? by doppleganger871 · · Score: 0

      They only bring things out of your house one at a time, instead of grabbing 8 things in a bag.

    3. Re:Serial Burglars? by bcattwoo · · Score: 1
      Are serial burglars faster than the old parallel burglars?

      I don't know, but just imagine what a Beowulf cluster of them could steal!

    4. Re:Serial Burglars? by Lispy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not as fast as Universal Serial Burglars or Small Computer Serial Intruders. They only steal small ones though. But really, really fast.

    5. Re:Serial Burglars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Are serial burglars faster than the old parallel burglars?

      And, are their connectors smaller than parallel burglars'?..

    6. Re:Serial burglars? by zenneth · · Score: 0

      Too late! Com2 has been taken by a nasty robber named "56k modem"

      must be his street name

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    7. Re:Serial Burglars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but they're thinner!

  17. Webcam security not so reliable? by ShaggyB · · Score: 0

    So if this kid was wearing a mask, he'd not be in the hole he's in now. This kid was just stupid, thats why he got caught.

    1. Re:Webcam security not so reliable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one said it was a flawless security system, but even with a mask it's better than nothing.

    2. Re:Webcam security not so reliable? by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, not all masks will work. There are systems that are already deployed in the UK where they can measure relative distance of facial and body features and compare them up to a database of their criminals. Quite cool...

    3. Re:Webcam security not so reliable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bring on the Point-break style US Presidents masks... In fact how about handing a George Dubya mask to every inmate as they're released, just in case they reoffend... then we can pray George gets done for the crime and locked away...

    4. Re:Webcam security not so reliable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite cool until you end up in jail after having been arrested once in youth and reformed yourself since, all on the basis of some hi-tech system that you paid for with your own tax money.

  18. setting up a similar system? by yodaj007 · · Score: 1

    Can anyone point me in the direction for setting up a similar system? I've got a Linux box, but that's all I've got. What would you guys recommend for a basic camera system that I can set up in a similar manner as this dude did? Thanks. yodaj007

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    1. Re:setting up a similar system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.zoneminder.com

    2. Re:setting up a similar system? by bobcave · · Score: 1

      i have an AXIS network camera - i forget the model #. It's pretty old, you can get 'em now where you can remotely tilt/pan/zoom. But you can set the camera up to take a snapshot every N minutes and ftp it to your webspace. And, it has some NC/NO (normally closed/normally open) terminals on it so you can hook it up to an infrared motion detector or door or window sensor and you can set it to start taking pictures for N minutes every X seconds when the sensor is triggered and ftp those.


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    3. Re:setting up a similar system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out Zoneminder.com. Its an open source, linux based, multi-camera, web-friendly camera monitoring system. Zoneminder is a little difficult to compile and set up( (it requires mysql & php), but it is an excellent program. Add a video card from Linux Media Devices, some cheap cams, and your ready to go!

    4. Re:setting up a similar system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Checkout motion (http://motion.sourceforge.net/) I think looking at the images on the bbc that this is what was used here. You can make it email images or run a script whenever motion is detected.

      Make sure you test it in the dark too, as most cameras detect a lot more noise in the dark. I once set this up before going away and had it sms me whenever there was motion. My flight left before dark and arrived after dark, my phone was then continusouly going off with alerts for the next 6 hours (even though I had ssh'ed in and fixed it within 4). There were also some 2000 email alerts and it had filled my inbox.

    5. Re:setting up a similar system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zoneminder is a little difficult to compile and set up

      If you use the ZM livecd on a dedicated box it's a snap.

  19. Here's what started it off... by madprof · · Score: 2, Informative

    He posted it on cam.misc and it seemed to spread from there...
    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/cam.misc/msg/0 239a9bdae854818

  20. Web server stolen! by itoleck · · Score: 1, Funny

    Looks like the computer that was stolen was the webserver, because for some reason the website doesn't come up. ;)

    1. Re:Web server stolen! by duffahtolla · · Score: 3, Informative
      Nah, He's just blacking slashdot. Go to his home page and THEN follow the given link to his "burglar.html" page. Shows up fine.

      Or try this: coral link

      Speaking of which, WTF is up with picture number 2!!!

      I thinking that must be the picture they showed him to get a quick confession.

  21. Aha!!! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Funny

    So that's the bastard that has been stealing the toys and surprises from my cereal... oh wait... serial? Crap... always get those mixed up.

    1. Re:Aha!!! by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 1
      So that's the bastard that has been stealing the toys and surprises from my cereal... oh wait... serial? Crap... always get those mixed up.

      You're not alone - my computer used to be constantly infected with malware until I realized that I'd connected the modem to a box of Trix.

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    2. Re:Aha!!! by DiveX · · Score: 1

      Count Chocula and Captain Crunch found murdered. Cereal killer suspected.

      And for the obligatory bash.org copy/paste:

      #75154

      you know what's ALWAYS bothered me? cold cereal mascots
      I mean that is just some FUCKED UP SHIT
      the Trix rabbit, for example
      I dunno man... if I were him I'd be fucking KILLING some kids
      I remember a commercial where the fuckin rabbit WENT INTO A FUCKIN STORE AND BOUGHT A BOX OF TRIX WITH HIS OWN FUCKIN MONEY.
      fuckin kids came outta NOWHERE and basically fuckin mug the poor stupid bitch rabbit
      "silly rabbit Trix are for kids"
      Fuckin rabbit just sits there and looks depressed.
      FUCK NO that wouldn't fly with me
      I'd have pimp-slapped EVERY ONE OF those fuckin bitches
      and made them go get me the REST of a "complete breakfast" and eat Trix right in front of them bitches and THEN beat the shit out of them some more.
      and wtf is with the disguises? All the dumb rabbit does is hide his ears and all of a sudden he's a fuckin kid?
      I dunno about you, but if I SAW a 6 foot fuckin RABBIT with his ears tucked under a baseball cap, I wouldn't immediately think
      "Hey, there's a cool lookin human kid, let me go over and share some of my cereal with him"
      NO.
      I'd be thinking
      "that's a 6 foot fuckin RABBIT with his ears tucked under a baseball cap... what the FUCK was I just smoking?"
      another thing... wtf is up with cereal being "A part of this complete breakfast"
      last time -I- checked, cereal WAS breakfast
      they show a big ass bowl of frosted flakes next to a waffle, a pancake, toast, a banana, a fuckin grapefruit... who the FUCK eats a breakfast that big
      not me
      I don't even EAT breakfast nomore
      I mean, I eat when I get up
      but the whole thought "BREAKFAST IS ONLY SERVED UNTIL SUCH AND SUCH TIME"
      bitch, you make my fucking sausage and egg sandwich when I pay you the fucking money
      don't give me that shit.
      Back to stupid cereal mascots...
      Lucky Charms.
      FUCKING LUCKY CHARMS
      Lucky can turn the fucking MOON into a marshmallow, and he can't escape a bunch of fucking 6 year olds?!?!?
      C'mon now, Lucky.
      I KNOW your bitch ass has got to have a "Blow the fucking kids up" spell SOMEWHERE
      or make "kid marshamllows" and EAT those bitches.
      "They're after me Lucky Charms!" ....
      KILL THEM, BITCH!
      I dunno why I went off on this rant here
      it's just always bothered me."

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  22. ive done this before by tmckay87 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    this has happened to me before... sort of. a few years ago when i was 16 or so, i knew i was going to be bored later in the day at school, so i setup my webcam to record movement with a copy of meloris melcam i downloaded off the internet. I didn't notice anything wrong while I was watching it at school, but when I returned to my room I noticed I was missing about $50. The maids that my mom hired for that day had just come to our house, so I suspected them. I checked the video that my program had saved on my HD and there they were. They went and found my wallet which was in my dresser and removed the $50 I had been saving, right in front of the camera. Apparently they arent the brightest of people as the camera was clearly visible and my computer isnt too much quieter than a jet.

  23. Or... by eseiat · · Score: 1

    If he just hadn't broken into the other person's home and stolen his possesions, well then I imagine he would also be a free man as well. But, I guess you can look at the stupid part being the lack of a mask. :\

  24. Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by adzoox · · Score: 1

    An Apple Store was recently broken in to Pittsburgh PA.

    The whole incident was caught on iSight webcams and used as evidence.

    I recently helped with a setup of a system using an iSight Camera and a Blue and White G3 to help catch who was stealing laptops and other items out of the fridge at a local university.

    Read the story here

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    1. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by adzoox · · Score: 1

      Link correction: here

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    2. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by BenBenBen · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Why did you keep laptops in the fridge in the first place?

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    3. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by l4m3z0r · · Score: 1, Redundant
      ...who was stealing laptops and other items out of the fridge at a local university.

      Anyone who stores his/her laptop in a fridge deserves to have it stolen.

    4. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently helped with a setup of a system using an iSight Camera and a Blue and White G3 to help catch who was stealing laptops and other items out of the fridge at a local university.

      Wow, you guys store laptops in the fridge?

    5. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they overclocked or something?

    6. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by Nastard · · Score: 1

      "stealing laptops and other items out of the fridge at a local university"

      Why were the laptops in the fridge?

    7. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by coKestar · · Score: 1

      In related news, iSteal units' sales have drastically gone down as people have reported the product does not do a damn thing to prevent them from getting caught.

    8. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by badmammajamma · · Score: 1

      So is the perpitrator serving iTime now?

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    9. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by Monkey+Angst · · Score: 1
      Why were the laptops in the fridge?

      So you can have them for breakfast in the morning, duh!

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    10. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overclocked?

    11. Re:Apple recently captured criminals with iSights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he's got a lot of prior convictions, maybe he'll be sent away for iLife.

  25. I'm not usually this sarcastic... by benhocking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're a genius! If we legalize drugs, there will never be another reason to commit crimes. All crimes can be tracked to this single cause! Cop killers - the cops were trying to keep them away from their inalienable right to get loaded. Wife beaters - because drugs are illegal, the perpetrators needed some other way to amuse themselves. We should all sign a petition to make drugs legal immediately!

    Sigh. OK, now seriously - is there any evidence behind your first claim or any data to back up your second claim, or is this just a dead horse that you're fond of beating?

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    1. Re:I'm not usually this sarcastic... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      At the moment the law criminalises addicts (mere possession is illegal). If it was changed so that only dealing was illegal then the addicts could get medical help without risking being thrown in jail. They'd also live longer getting their 'fix' from doctors rather than the crap you buy in the street (heroin is not that bad for you if it's pure... in fact many people have a hidden habit for years and hold down jobs etc.).

      At the moment as the law stands at least in the UK, even charities who try to help addicts are taking a legal risk - some have been prosecuted for refusing to tell police the names of the addicts.

    2. Re:I'm not usually this sarcastic... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      certainly make the sale and profit from drugs illegal as it is on tobacco without a licence, but dont make the growing or using or possessing of a drug illegal. It wasnt 100 years ago, and people were fine with it. Funny how as soon as you make it illegal, the word of mouth spreads it over 50 years till we get woodstock eh.

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  26. I'm not so lucky... by Domini · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Had my webcam(s) going, my alarm went off (with armed response in tow) AND I have the vehicle registration number. All this I gave on a CD (silver platter) to the South African Police, and they still managed to bungle it!

    Stories like this only sound cool when someone paid attention...

    1. Re:I'm not so lucky... by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      bungleized. So what's the registration number, and where's the website with the pics? You mistake was in thinking the cops would do anything. That is rare, and varies by location.

    2. Re:I'm not so lucky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm.... I think the solution is..... to move to a civilized country? Sorry, make that continent.

    3. Re:I'm not so lucky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an example frame from my passage camera.

      http://marius.e.co.za/dl/13-44-52.jpg

      I captured it on Linux using a tweaked libjpeg and the pxc200 capture module. (Part of some large system I wrote for access control/building management/surveillance.

      (Not *quite* a webcam, but still was my personally installed system.)

    4. Re:I'm not so lucky... by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      OK, now post the photo in the neighborhood, offering reward upon conviction. List an email, do not list your home address. This might deter this guy from working your neighborhood. It might deter thieves in general. Or, he might come back and kill you. Good idea to have a game plan for what to do if you find him.

  27. No, that's what 240V and big mean dogs are for! by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

    "...but it didn't stop him from stealing my things."

    Geez, this guy sounds like he hasn't seen Home Alone ...

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    1. Re:No, that's what 240V and big mean dogs are for! by CrixelGarten · · Score: 1

      I hear that! What about the staple gun attached to the door knob? Or rigging the bookcase full of cans of paint with a trip wire? Where's his shotgun when he wakes up from all the racket? Come ON people, have some fun with the bungling burgler!

    2. Re:No, that's what 240V and big mean dogs are for! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story took place in the UK where you have no right to defend yourself and your home.

  28. ok, it's cool and all by digitalchinky · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHom e

    I used to do this exact same thing (but after having the house broken into once first)

    I think it was around 1998 when I first started using motion, still do. Have set it up in a few office spaces for non-profits.

    Not trolling, but this is not new.

    1. Re:ok, it's cool and all by illtud · · Score: 1

      Not trolling, but this is not new.

      Really? How many burglars did you catch?

      [cue sound of point whizzing over your head]

  29. 11 months??? by yog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He had over 13 previous convictions for theft and this time, caught red handed, he got a whole 11 months. I would say, fast justice is not as good as fair justice. This idiot should be put away for a few years at least.

    11 months is practically a slap on the wrist.

    Anyway, I want that guy's webcam software. ;)

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    1. Re:11 months??? by hplasm · · Score: 3, Informative
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    2. Re:11 months??? by hplasm · · Score: 0
      --
      ...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
    3. Re:11 months??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      or this

      ZoneMinder

    4. Re:11 months??? by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      11 months is practically a slap on the wrist.

      Have you ever spent 11 months in jail? I haven't. 11 months is still a pretty long time.

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    5. Re:11 months??? by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1

      I used some freeware that would take a snapshot and store on an ftp site based on how many pixels changed to know when to take a picture. It was probably 5+ years ago. I haven't looked at any of the newer stuff though.

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    6. Re:11 months??? by Cat_Byte · · Score: 4, Funny

      I spent 11 hours in jail but they woke me up around 11am. That was the lame part.

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    7. Re:11 months??? by HawkingMattress · · Score: 1

      Err come on, it's only theft we're talking about. 11 months of jail is certainly not a little vacation you know, it's enough to have a big impact on your life actually. Besides, it's not uncommon to see murderers take something like 7 years (in passion driven crimes particuraly). And of course if he was a white collar burglar who had stolen several millions by doing fraudulent transactions and ruined life time savings of thousands of persons he would probably have been seen by the court as a smart guy who needed a tap on the bottom and would have no more than 6 months...

    8. Re:11 months??? by bigox · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Did you read the article? BTW, he was out on bail during this little excursion. Only theft? What if the owner was home at the time? What if the wife (if there was one) of the owner was home at the time -- alone?

      Bleeding heart liberals need to be victimized more often...they are clueless.

      And yes, white collar criminals get off too easily too.

    9. Re:11 months??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Have you ever spent 11 months in jail? I haven't. 11 months is still a pretty long time.

      I agree it would break me, but this criminal spent time in jail already and it didn't work. I'm not in favor of ever letting him out again, but it cost too much, so I hope they can teach him a lesson he'll remmeber this time.

    10. Re:11 months??? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cheap Labor Conservatives need to stop wishing that their fellow citizens would become victims of a crime, and spend more time thinking "I wonder what can be changed so that people don't see crime as an opportunity."

      This guy was a thief. If the owner was home, he'd probably run away. Just because a guy steals doesn't mean a guy kills.

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    11. Re:11 months??? by bigox · · Score: 1
      Apologies, I'm a stupid Yankee. I'm not sure what a "Cheap Labor Conservative" is.

      and spend more time thinking "I wonder what can be changed so that people don't see crime as an opportunity."

      You mean the best opportunity? Crime always presents an opportunity. There is always some chance you can get away with it and profit from it.

      This guy was a thief. If the owner was home, he'd probably run away. Just because a guy steals doesn't mean a guy kills.

      Burglars around here tend to bash-in heads when they find someone home. Are even British burglars more civilized than American burglars?

    12. Re:11 months??? by Yorkshire · · Score: 1

      11 months IS a slap on the wrist.

      With automatic 50% remission for good behaviour he could be up for release after 167 days. If he is eligible for Electronic Tagging he could spend the last 90 days of that at home, serving only 11 WEEKS inside. He could be out before the end of April.

    13. Re:11 months??? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. "Drop the soap" is an issue in British prisons too.

    14. Re:11 months??? by glebd · · Score: 1

      Who wants to bet that he will be after the guy who photographed him and posted his pics on the Net without his permission? It'll be funny if he sues and wins.

    15. Re:11 months??? by batemanm · · Score: 1

      Yeah that damn soap is just so slipperly they really should do something about it to stop the inmates looking like fools when they can't hold onto the soap :-)

    16. Re:11 months??? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      I'm a smart Yankee. A cheap labor conservative is someone who does everything they can to make sure that labor is cheap, making the poor poorer so the rich can get richer in an unfair manner.

      You mean the best opportunity? Crime always presents an opportunity. There is always some chance you can get away with it and profit from it.

      Duh. Instead of being pedantic, why don't you try to wrap your brain around the point?

      Burglars around here tend to bash-in heads when they find someone home. Are even British burglars more civilized than American burglars?

      Nonsense. You're the one making the positive statement, all I did was point out that because a person steals doesn't mean a person murders. Prove yourself, or shut the fuck up.

      And, before you mess with me, check out my long and abusive history. You may just want to leave me alone before I drag your wife's name through the mud. I am not a liberal to trifle with.

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    17. Re:11 months??? by bigox · · Score: 1

      And, before you mess with me, check out my long and abusive history. You may just want to leave me alone before I drag your wife's name through the mud. I am not a liberal to trifle with.

      Hahaha slashdot bully. What a riot!

      Duh. Instead of being pedantic, why don't you try to wrap your brain around the point?

      Is this your response to points you cannot defeat?

      I'm a smart Yankee

      Care to provide some evidence of this? Ah, forget it, it'll just be a circular argument.

    18. Re:11 months??? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      I am masturbating furiously as I imagine your moon face getting all red with rage.

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    19. Re:11 months??? by bigox · · Score: 1

      I'm glad that someone finds me so sexy.

    20. Re:11 months??? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Oh oh! And he pops his head up just in time to catch the cumshot! I will say this about conservatives: they have a good sense of timing.

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    21. Re:11 months??? by bigox · · Score: 1

      Oh oh! And he pops his head up just in time to catch the cumshot! I will say this about conservatives: they have a good sense of timing.


      Libertarian actually, thank you. I'm glad you had a chance to whack off this morning. I will continue to fight for your right to do so. BTW, that was quick.

    22. Re:11 months??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the "Imagine the worst that *could've* happened, then act as if it did" the thing that got you guys into the mess in Iraq?

      Yes, people become more conservative/reactionary/fearful when they've been victimised. This does not mean they are right, or just.

      Have you noticed how much lower crime is in the U.K. compared to the relatively harsh U.S.?

    23. Re:11 months??? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Ah, Libertarian. Well then, nevermind, it's a case of mistaken identity. I'm out to abuse fascists.

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    24. Re:11 months??? by bigox · · Score: 1

      Ah, Libertarian. Well then, nevermind, it's a case of mistaken identity. I'm out to abuse fascists.

      Thank you. I was becoming fearful of your overwhelming rhetoric.

    25. Re:11 months??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats a major reason why they let you shoot people in your house in Texas... its a cheaper way to deal with the criminals.

    26. Re:11 months??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soap on a rope?

    27. Re:11 months??? by R.Caley · · Score: 1

      Is that based on actual data, or just your perception from your choice of media? Remember that most non-violent burglars will not even attempt a burglary when someone is home, they will go next door instead, so any burglar who finds someone home is statistically much more likely to be a psycho (a few, of course, will have just been unlucky).

      Besides which it is irrlevent. Someone should not be sentenced based on the tendencies of other people, but on their own actions.

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  30. How about picking up some of this? by DudeAbides · · Score: 2, Informative

    SmartWater - a clear liquid containing microscopic particles encoded with a unique forensic signature that, when found coated on stolen property, provides a precise trace back to the owner and, when detected on a suspect, can conclusively implicate a felon. It's big with the UK police. Check out this article on Wired

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    1. Re:How about picking up some of this? by ledow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, the UK Schools that I work for use it. From what I've seen it's not "clear", though, it leaves horrible browny-red smudges over whatever you dab it on which you can't remove unless you file it off somehow.

      Horrible for personal use (stained the printers and computers I saw it used it), expensive, easy to see and therefore remove. I wouldn't know where you would stand on warranty etc. if you daubed this stuff on something that you later needed to return.

    2. Re:How about picking up some of this? by Quixote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. Pick up "smart water"
      2. Break into someone's house and spray his stuff with it
      3. Walk over to the cops and request a search warrant
      4. Have the stuff delivered to your house at HIS cost.
      5. Sit back and laugh as he's led to jail
      6. Profit?

    3. Re:How about picking up some of this? by leerpm · · Score: 1

      7. Get indicted for fraud, once he proves he has the receipts for 1/2 the stuff.
      8. Get indicted for lying to a police officer.
      9. Sit back and laugh at yourself in jail, for being so stupid.

    4. Re:How about picking up some of this? by phyruxus · · Score: 1
      I've never heard of smart water, so I googled (googlarized?) their page, where I found this.

      SmartWater REALLY works as a deterrent
      Oldham - 62% reduction in burglary
      West Midlands - 74% reduction in burglary
      Nottingham - Repeat burglaries reduced by 95%

      And I thought, "Dude! they got Robin Hood!"

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  31. Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would be more ingenious is wiring valubles to electric shock machines, and laptops and cellphones packed with small explosives that can be detonated remotely (imagine the burglar kept the cellphone in his pants pocket heeheehee).

    Lets not forget the classic staircase-to-slippery-slide mechanism (with alligator pit at the bottom and automated trapdoor), an oldie but a goodie!

    1. Re:Better yet... by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      What you fools seem to forget is that it is possible for me to break into your house and use your stuff legally. And I'm not just talking about search warrants.

      For example, if I am a police officer, and follow a fleeing suspect into your house.

      Or if I am running from someone trying to kill me, it is legal for me to commit lesser crimes to escape, including breaking and entering and trespassing.

      Or if my car has crashed into your house. Not an example you'd want, but it's certainly illegal to electricute me as I'm trying to walk out of your house, or the EMS team as they're coming in, even if I've crashed through your wall.

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  32. Creative web cam monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    WIth most creative webcams, you get a piece of software called creative web cam monitor. This can automatically record video or take pictures every X seconds when it detects >X amount of movement in a user defined area of its field of vision. It can upload via FTP or email the resulting files (if you upload via FTP it can generate a html page with activity log + pictures/video), or just send a notification message. It can even play alarm noises! :-) As it only sends pictures/videos with movement on, space is not a big worry.

  33. 'Burglarize' makes me think of stuff like this... by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Them that there varmints with their goin' around burglarizing honest folks houses.... it's making a mockery of the judiciarialary system

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  34. Off the shelf by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    For people who are looking for a package solution: LinkSys Wireless-G Internet Video Camera a mere $299.99 CDN in a recent FutureShop ad. (Remember to secure your WiFi net.)

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  35. Were the webcams using reasonable force? by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 1

    This man could be in a lot of trouble - the correct legal response to a burglar over here is to give him all your possessions and ask him not so sue you.

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    1. Re:Were the webcams using reasonable force? by doppleganger871 · · Score: 0

      What was that guy thinking for violating the burglar's right to privacy? The ACLU should be all over this.

  36. And now for something completely different... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "No madam, I'm a burglar, I burgle people."

  37. Glad to see it worked. by The+Lurker+King · · Score: 0

    I have a similar setup at home. I'm glad to see it works.

    I use:

    A windows box.
    A logitech quickcam pro webcam.
    Conquercam webcam software (www.conquercam.com)
    An ftp account on a webserver not at home.

    All you need to do is setup the software so that when you are not home, it takes motion activated pictures and sends them to your ftp server. Because the ftp server is not at your house, if your computer gets stolen, you can still get the pictures.

    ConquerCam software is great and only $10 USD. No affiliation, just a happy customer.

  38. 11 months....? by doppleganger871 · · Score: 0

    For a serial robber? Eh, he'll be back out and doing this again... next time he'll just wear a mask while doing his work.

    Remember, criminals & politicans have many things in common, one of which is they both prefer unarmed victims/phesants.

    1. Re:11 months....? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Remember, criminals & politicans have many things in common, one of which is they both prefer unarmed victims/phesants."

      Unarmed phesants? Are there armed phesants I don't know about?

    2. Re:11 months....? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Either that, or lemon juice on his face.

      Cameras can't see your face if you have lemon juice on it. Tell all the criminals you know.

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    3. Re:11 months....? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why go to all that trouble when you can just put your hand up over your face?

  39. Serial Burglars? by Monkey+Angst · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are serial burglars faster than the old parallel burglars?

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  40. Creative Commons by dunstan · · Score: 1

    You'd have thought that a hacker would have released the pictures under a Creative Commons licence, but then perhaps he has to pay the glazier.

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  41. I put webcams in the bathrooms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to spy on girl thieves who steal my heart.

  42. Practice what you preach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, if I catch you speeding I'll be sure to cut your head off also.

    1. Re:Practice what you preach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't drive. Speeding and burglary have nothing in common.

  43. I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by benhocking · · Score: 1

    It's just that I find it sad that there is this group of people (of which you do not seem to be a member) that think that most of our society's ills can be fixed by legalizing drugs. Illegal drugs cause more harm than good. Making them legal won't change this. I do agree, however, that trying to actually rehabilitate addicts (e.g., via treatment, education, monitoring) would no doubt be more helpful than merely jailing them.

    I also recognize that there are some areas out there that are quite gray - such as providing clean needles to prevent transmission of HIV. I do not believe charities should be punished for this, but I acknowledge that such programs should be carefully analyzed. (I'm all in favor of reducing HIV, but I also wonder if such programs could be expanded to include some sort of education of the needle receivers before receipt. Obviously, there's a possible trade-off - fewer might be willing to get the needles resulting in more HIV, but this is not at all certain. Hence, a reason for analysis.)

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    1. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by bluprint · · Score: 1

      I'm not really sure how someone managed to turn this into an illegal drug conversation. Nothing in the article mentions a drug habit as the guy's motivation for theft, but since we are there...

      Generally speaking, when things are made illegal (drugs, alcohol, prostitution) those markets tend to become violent rather than just go away. Look at prohibition as an example. You rarely see modern beer companies doing drive-bys, but it used to be somewhat common during prohibition as it is now regarding the modern drug trade. Prostitution is another example. Women that work in brothels in Nevada (to my knowledge) aren't commonly beaten by their employers, contrast that to a NYC hooker and her pimp. Blackmarkets attract unsavory people. Legalizing drugs would tend to make the product safer, probably cheaper, and remove much or all of the violence that surrounds that market.

      As a matter of a disclaimer of sort, I don't think drugs are "ok". I consider recreational drug use to be immoral, but I also happen to be one of the few people in the world who thinks it's not ok to push my morality onto other people.

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    2. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > It's just that I find it sad that there is this group of people (of which you
      > do not seem to be a member) that think that most of our society's ills can be
      > fixed by legalizing drugs.

      Certainly you'd fix the problem of people injecting adulterated drugs, or having to rob/burglarizing/shop-lift to pay for drugs. Of course some people would take drugs, but they'd be pure (assuming they were dispensed by the Police or a Doctor) so the dose strength would be known, and they wouldn't be cut with detergent.

      There's the problem of people acting under the influence of drugs, of course, but that problem is a factor both under the current dismal attempt of prohibition and under where drugs are legally available, so it's not an argument for not legalising them.

      It makes sense to give out free needles, otherwise there's a risk of HIV infection. I'm not sure there's any evidence that giving out free needles encourages drug injection though - perhaps you can point to a study that shows this? It's probably best handled by the government, rather than a charity however - after all, it's the government which will save a shit load of money from not having to lock up loads of drug addicts and compensate their victims!

    3. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by Troed · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The worst drug of them all when looking at health effects and violence towards others is alcohol. Are you in favour of making it illegal?

    4. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by ZuG · · Score: 1

      I do not think that most of our society's ills can be fixed by legalizing drugs.

      I do, however, think it would help a lot. With the possible exception of very hard drugs (heroin, crack cocaine) that are inherently dangerous to the user, the choice to use drugs should be a choice left in the hands of the user.

      Criminalizing otherwise productive people who happen to enjoy smoking weed or other drugs in a relatively safe, nonviolent manner is just silly. Throwing potheads in jail is not the answer to anything. The underground drug trade does support organized crime, and gangs, and eliminating this would do our society some good but it's certainly not a magic fix. But that's not the point.

      I am an adult, I should have the right to do as I please with my body. I find alcohol far more dangerous in its lowering of inhibitions than pot, ectasy, ketamine, LSD, mushrooms, peyote, and probably some other drugs too. If people are doing bad things while on drugs, by all means, the judge should bar them from doing drugs as part of the probation/parole conditions. But banning EVERYBODY is really a violation of rights.

    5. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus we would be better off if other drugs were legal, and thus able to usurp its crown?

      Anyhow, I would certainly prefer we were able to keep a better lid on it, and I wouldn't have a problem, say, denying it to addicts were that practical. Tobacco, OTOH, I would prefer to see illegal outright, though I recognize the problems with instituting such a ban.

      Of course, that's just me.

    6. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      It's not just that blackmarkets attract unsavory characters. Athough it is nice for them to work somewhere they won't talk to police.

      Blackmarkets have a lot more crime against the people working in the market mainly because they have no one to complain to about law-breaking activities.

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    7. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by Altus · · Score: 1



      dont forget that is is also the only way of regulating sale to minors!

      people somehow think that they can manage that while drugs are illegal... like a dealer is going to check IDs before selling his crap.

      out of interest (pure curiosity... not looking for an argument) why do you find the recreational use of drugs immoral... and where do you draw the line for "drugs". do you draw any line between use and abuse?

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    8. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by runderwo · · Score: 1
      Illegal drugs cause more harm than good.
      The point that you're missing is that the prohibition causes more harm than the illegal drugs ever did.
    9. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am also an adult, and a tax payer. You should have the right to do as many drugs as you want, and I should have the right for my tax money to be refused for your medical treatment when you OD on your friend's apartment floor.

    10. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by bluprint · · Score: 1

      Generally, for me, it has to do with probably a couple of things. In place of "immoral", how about "immoral and just not good". On one hand, I believe the body is a temple, and in general, recreational drug use is at least unhealthy/directly damaging to your body. Of course, so are twinkies...so I guess in that respect I'm a hypocrite.

      As for the "not good" part, drugs frequently (maybe not always) cause problems within families and other relationships. They tend to make people act irrationally, in extreme ways. They also tend to alter a persons personality in a negative way.

      Now, I don't necessarily make any of these claims based on hard scientific facts. Mostly it's based on my own experience. I grew up with an addict for a step-father. I've known people to use recreational drugs, and it has never had a good affect, and usually has a negative affect (usually proportional to the amount of use). I'm sure some of my ideas/opinions would be supported by currently existing research, others may be neither supported nor rejected from, and still others might even be rejected based on said research(I kind of doubt that last possibility). They are just my opinions. And as I said before, since I don't feel the need to force my opnion on others, I also don't feel the need to necessarily base my position on this issue on hard data.

      As for the use vs. abuse thing, I do differentiate, at least with regard to alcohol. The thing to me about most other drugs, even something mild like weed, is that if you are using it, it seems to me you are pretty much abusing it (barring cases like medical uses and such). Alcohol on the other hand, can be consumed (and enjoyed) in such a quantity as to not cause inebriation. I don't really see that being possible with anything else. I mean, sure I guess you could smoke such a small amount of weed as to not alter your state of mind...but then what would be the point?

      Just my $.02

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    11. Re:I'm all for treating addicts humanely... by Random832 · · Score: 1

      why not tax the drugs? if you're saying deny them all access to public health, then exempt them from all such taxes.

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  44. Umm... Re:How to do this on a Mac by WarPresident · · Score: 1

    I have mine record movements while out as well as speak "Intruder alert, intruder alert" hoping to scare any would-be burglers away while snapping their photo.

    If you really want to scare the burglars away, have the computer scream, "Silent Alarm Activated! Silent Alarm Activated!" Or, more seriously, have it quietly dial out and page you (or "text" you) while it's emailing pics. That way you could call the cops and they might catch the guy in the act.

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    1. Re:Umm... Re:How to do this on a Mac by weave · · Score: 1

      Yeah, good idea, except I have cats. The false alarms would be a bit of a problem!

    2. Re:Umm... Re:How to do this on a Mac by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Rather than an audio alarm, how about a servo platform that aims a laser pointer where the camera sees something moving? (It would have to avoid locking on to its own laser dot.) That would entertain cats and burglars! (It probably avoids that "laser pointers as a cat toy" patent.) Of course, the bugger would probably sue you.

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    3. Re:Umm... Re:How to do this on a Mac by WarPresident · · Score: 1

      Yeah, good idea, except I have cats. The false alarms would be a bit of a problem!

      Well, I suppose I should have clarified: the computer emails/pages you, you check your email drop for suspicious pics, and call the cops yourself if needed.

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    4. Re:Umm... Re:How to do this on a Mac by weave · · Score: 1

      Hmm.... Will have to look into how to MMS a pic via email. Got me thinking now! :)

    5. Re:Umm... Re:How to do this on a Mac by Thu25245 · · Score: 1

      ...have the computer scream, "Silent Alarm Activated! Silent Alarm Activated!"

      Umm...shouldn't the computer think "Silent alarm activated" quitely to itself, while using its modem to call for backup?

      Screaming "SILENT ALARM!" would defeat the purpose.

  45. I've been using.... by Anonym1ty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been using Home Watcher on the Windows side for years doing this. It's kind of a nice program for playing around with webcam surveillance for the not not too serious user. It does allow you to upload the images to a personal website and the pay-for version has even more options.

    Yes I have caught intruders with it.

    I'm not sure I'd use it in mission-critical settings, but for home use and a little playing around it's kind of fun to mess with.

  46. hm.. by Kortec · · Score: 1, Funny

    i guess USB really will be the end of serial.

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  47. Re:I have to agree! by ledow · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a troll but...

    You are allowed to use reasonable force and always have been. Recent UK news is about where the limit lies and the answer is and always has been the same - wherever it's reasonable.

    Summary for the Tony Martin case:

    Shooting an unarmed, fleeing burglar, who ran off before he could even do anything to threaten you or give you time to assess his intentions, in the back, at close range, with a shotgun is not reasonable.

    Don't care who you are, what country you're in or why you did it, it's unreasonable. For all you know, the kid could have sneaked in to get his ball back and legged it at the sight of you and you shoot him, intended to wound or kill, in the back when he posed no threat.

    I'm all for doing whatever damage is applicable if said burglar goes for you, will not leave, does not back down, reaches for a weapon, etc. but check your case law first, before you go trolling.

    Oh, and by the way, banning guns is an idea that you would only understand if you lived in a country which, by and large, never sees the use of them.

  48. Another good reason for personal cams by Cruez · · Score: 1

    and that my friends... is the reason I have 2 webcams and 4 CCTV cams recording the house when needed.
    Although, I wonder if it would be incriminating if it caught me putting a 9MM hole into a would be attacker??.... you read about injustices like that all the time...

    1. Re:Another good reason for personal cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the "Lost 18 Minutes" of Richard Nixon's
      audio recordings?

      BTW: 9MM is way too small a caliber to "anchor"
      a target with one shot (with absolute certainty).
      Over here in the USA, most police (& FBI) use
      10MM or else .45 ACP these days.

  49. Patent violations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how many patents he violated with his setup?

    Remember that even if you build things yourself, your are not allowed to violate someone else's patents, and could be sued by the patent holder for patent infringement. This is the danger of patents...

    1. Re:Patent violations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could not possibly have violated any patents in his setup.

      This is because patents only give a certain restricted monopoly. If someone did have a patent on such a device, he would have violated it if he made and sold it, or used it as part of a money-making enterprise such as protecting a business. In some countries this is expressed in the law as a exception for producing a patented device for the purposes of research or experimentation.

      Random morons intimidating themselves is a danger of failing to read the patent law. Stop perpetuating urban legal legends.

  50. I thought Cambridge was nice? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

    Score one for the nerds vs the chavs in Cambridge, I suppose.

    I thought Cambridge would be all nice and genteel when I moved here from London six months ago; all punting and Pimms on the river bank. It doesn't seem that way now. The Co-Op on the corner was ram-raided a few days ago, there always seem to be missing persons posters up, there've been several murders and attempted murders, foreign students get harrassed and mugged and the chavs have seriously taken over the city centre.

    1. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Same everywhere in britain. Nottingham used to be a nice place when I was at uni, now its like Beirut on a saturday night. Nothing will change until the police start acting like police instead of social workers and start cracking some heads instead of being all nice and polite to the chavs.

    2. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by bluprint · · Score: 1

      What's a "chav"?

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    3. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by myc_lykaon · · Score: 1

      Well, that's what you get for living on the Arbury :).

    4. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google for chav.

      Scummy peasant class hoodlums, etc.

    5. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      ChavScum is a good place to start the study of this fascinating sub-species of Britons.

    6. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by jdh28 · · Score: 1
      If you knew Cambridge you would know that he lives somewhere off Newmarket Road, since that was the Co-op that was ram-raided last week. :)

      john

    7. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From here: Britains peasant underclass that are taking over our towns and cities (thanks to relaxed alcohol laws turning town centres into massive drinking zones)

    8. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      Only just on the edge, dammit. If I don't look north or south, I could almost pretend this is a nice area. Go 20m north or south and you're in burnt-out car country, though.

    9. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chav: A neologism used by the English middle-classes to refer to those they consider their social inferiors.

      See also Oik, Prole, Pikey, ...

    10. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      Oops, I meant "Only just on the edge of some dodgy estate..."

    11. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by myc_lykaon · · Score: 1
      I used to live in Sheffield so N'market Rd is just round the corner from Arbury :). I'm amazed at the number of people who think that walking the length of Liz Way and East Rd is some epic trek when for someone from a slightly hillier and larger place views it as barely a reason to take off the slippers and put sensible shoes on. 'sall relative mate.

      Just to set the record straight, I live on the Arbury/KH boundary - so be careful or I'll abandon my Saxo in yer front garden :).

    12. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Okay, I've looked up what a 'chav' was, but what's 'ram-raided'? A battering ram knocking down the door?

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    13. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by soliptic · · Score: 1
      I know what you mean, mate...

      Full disclosure: I grew up in (well, near) Cambridge, it's my "home town". I moved away about 6 years ago and only go back a few times a year now to visit my parents.

      Lets get one thing clear: it's never been "all punting and Pimms". That's the uni - the town has always had the regular problems any town has - albeit, perhaps, not as badly as other cities. Poverty, drugs, crime, etc. In fact, Cambridge has one of the UK's highest homelessness populations, outside London.

      But, despite that reality check... Growing up I DO remember it as an overall 'nice' town. Yeah, it had those problems, but stay out of Arbury and so on, and keep to the city centre, and it was indeed... nice. Not much crime, you felt safe, most of the people looked... well, not exactly 'genteel', but normal.

      The last couple of times I've gone home to visit, I've been blown away by how full of chavs the place is now. Even in the city centre, I didnt feel very safe walking around anymore.

      Sorry for the OT ramble :)

    14. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Roughly speaking. Generally a vehicle is used for the battering ram, and they may drive it into a display window (or, rarely, the wall around an ATM) rather than the door.

    15. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Really? I live in King's Hedges now, so I only see Arbury when I cycle through it twice a day to and from work, but I used to live in the middle (able to see Kingsway Flats from the kitchen window), and I don't recall seeing any burnt-out cars.

    16. Re:I thought Cambridge was nice? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks. Yeah, we've had that problem too, mostly with ATM. Although the popular thing is to get a big truck, attach a chain to the ATM, and yank it out that way. Which is why we're seeing less and less ATMs that aren't built into buildings.

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  51. I am planning on setting up something like this by nizo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really wouldn't mind setting up something like this in my new house. Perhaps adding one other feature would be nice however. I was thinking I could put a speaker over the doorway to the computer room, and when the computer detects motion it shouts "Don't move or I'll shoot!" I figure the images of the burglar peeing his pants might make me feel less sad about having my house broken into.

  52. Techical info by duncangrisby · · Score: 5, Informative
    It was my camera and my flat that was broken into. Here are a few more technical details.

    The camera is just a generic video camera with a composite output. It's connected to a BT-848 video capture card in a Linux PC. I then use motion to detect motion and capture images. I then have some Python scripts I wrote that upload the captured images to an FTP server.

    I'm afraid I had to block access to my server from Slashdot. I don't have enough bandwidth for the onslaught.

    Duncan.

    1. Re:Techical info by noidentity · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I had to block access to my server from Slashdot. I don't have enough bandwidth for the onslaught.

      Too bad you don't have a webcam video of your server melting down.

    2. Re:Techical info by Raptor+CK · · Score: 2, Funny

      Composite output? Good call. I wouldn't want to use a USB camera to catch a serial burglar.

      All kidding aside, that's a brilliant simple little setup, and I'm glad that it worked out for you. Have your possessions been retrieved?

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    3. Re:Techical info by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Funny

      Way to go, Duncan. You earned your Slashdot street cred for the year. Not only did you bust him, you used Linux AND Python to do it. Double word score. That's at least good for 200 meta moderation points. The only thing preventing the trifecta and instant Hall of fame induction is that you didn't PGP encode the email as it left the server.

    4. Re:Techical info by ttys00 · · Score: 1

      I read about this in the Metro (a free newspaper in London) this morning, and neither that or the FA said if you got any of your gear back. Did you get anything back at all?

    5. Re:Techical info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, there was no email. It was FTP.

    6. Re:Techical info by duncangrisby · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, apart from a couple of small items (one of which the burglar had destroyed), I haven't got the things back.

    7. Re:Techical info by suwain_2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm afraid I had to block access to my server from Slashdot. I don't have enough bandwidth for the onslaught.

      CoralCache cache to the rescue!

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    8. Re:Techical info by TheCabal · · Score: 1

      Slashdot being all opensource and that, shouldn't that be GPG?

    9. Re:Techical info by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      what's really amusing is that if you look at the pictures on the BBC website, it appears that the camera was tracking the perp as he moved around the room... either that, or the BBC have been creative with their cropping again...

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    10. Re:Techical info by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      The only thing preventing the trifecta and instant Hall of fame induction is that you didn't PGP encode the email as it left the server.

      Funny post, but didn't you mean:

      The only thing preventing the trifecta and instant Hall of fame induction is that you didn't use GnuPG to PGP encode the files before they were FTPd to the server .

      (italics and emphasis mine...)

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    11. Re:Techical info by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      CoralCache cache? Is that like ATM Machine?

    12. Re:Techical info by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      You of course mean rsynced over ssh when you say FTPd.

    13. Re:Techical info by Alci12 · · Score: 1

      Well I hope the sale of the pics to the press paid for a well deserved beer at least.

    14. Re:Techical info by madhippy · · Score: 1

      we enjoyed some of the pics on your site ... especially the ones of the blond with the nice back :P

    15. Re:Techical info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. It's also like the GNU GPL that Mr. Grisby intends to use when he releases his Python scripts (copy & paste link to avoid slashdot blockage).

    16. Re:Techical info by Shadowin · · Score: 1

      Interesting, the guy is already wearing a white and black striped shirt for jail!

  53. He's not catching /.! by kkovach · · Score: 1, Funny

    I bet his web cam didn't see the mugging his web server just took!

    - Kevin

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  54. State provides protection? bah ... by Migraineman · · Score: 1

    The state has never been obligated to provide protection. They are obligated to enforce the law. If they had to provide protection for individuals, they'd need to assign you a 24/7 bodyguard. Oh, and since the bodyguard is a citizen, he'd need a bodyguard ... ad infinitum.

    A police force is a reactionary entity. After something bad happens, they show up to apply a corrective force. Sometimes that means confronting the bad guy. Sometimes that means just filling out the appropriate paperwork.

    Understanding the value of your material goods is important. Compared to your life, the material stuff is insignificant. However, if someone breaks into my home and gets between me and my wife or kid, the police are going to need to ask the corpse what his intentions were.

  55. I use a much more simple system at the moment by saskboy · · Score: 1

    I have a webcamera, and I can watch it using MSN messenger's webcam feature, and VNC into my computer at home to have a look at what the camera is pointing at. I'm definately going to set up this more advanced system now, since I have the highspeed internet connection and camera anyway.

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  56. Whats he doing in the 2nd picture?? by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Didn't realise that computers were quite *that* exciting to burglers!

  57. Argh! Look out - it's the rozzers by diggory · · Score: 1
    Access forbidden! You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is either read-protected or not readable by the server. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster Error 403 www.grisby.org Thu Feb 17 16:11:24 2005 Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)
    Argh! I was trying to access a Forbidden Object that was protected by his server - will it email a photo of me to the Rozzers (cops)?
  58. Original movie by Lispy · · Score: 1

    Here's the original webcam movie.

    Sorry, had to. ;-)

  59. Reasonable follow-up? by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1
    Probably not, but once the threath(?) is gone you have to stop. So no kicking while he is on the floor.
    Hmmm... I'd have to disagree with that. Maybe if he were on the floor with his hands on his head squealing "I give up! Stop kicking me!" but in most situations, if someone's attacked you, knocking them to the ground doesn't end the fight; you need to neutralize them, particularly if there might be others. I feel the same way about all these self defense classes which advocate knocking the knife out of the attacker's hand, but don't teach you how to use the knife. Like one of my teachers said, if you don't pick it up, they will.

    That said, it's a reasonable force thing that's dependent on the situation. If you've got multiple intruders, the courts should be more lenient about you shooting the fallen attacker in the hip to keep him from sneaking up on you versus where it's a lone burglar who's already surrendered his weapons and already zip-tied his hands for you.

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  60. The idea really isn't all that new by atomic_toaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    About three years ago, my brother had a roomie that he suspected was vandalising some of my brother's property. Of course, because they had a dog that was allowed to roam through the entire house, my brother couldn't prove that it had been the roomie and not the dog, becuase all of the destruction was well within the realm of a dog's capabilities. So he set up a webcam on his computer to start recording when there was motion in the room, and then storing the video on his web server. This allowed him to catch his roommate dumping a the bowl of leftover Kraft Dinner that had been left on the desk all over/into my brother's keyboard while my brother was at work.

    A lot of people leave their computer(s) running when they're not around, and a lot of people have webcams sitting around that 99% of the time aren't even plugged in. I know that this is the case for me, at any rate. It's really easy to miss yet another piece of computer-related clutter on an already messy surface. Although I have to admit, it doesn't take all that much effort to look around for cameras before perpetrating a crime and "accidentally" knock them so that they're not pointed at the area where the crime will be comitted... Not that this would have helped the burglar any, since all it had to capture was him breaking in to prove at least breaking-and-entering, but when someone has a legit reason to be in the room and foils themself through sheer lack of attention... That's pretty stupid, I have to agree.

    1. Re:The idea really isn't all that new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This allowed him to catch his roommate dumping a the bowl of leftover Kraft Dinner that had been left on the desk all over/into my brother's keyboard while my brother was at work.

      What's your brother's explanation for having a sociopathic roommate?..

    2. Re:The idea really isn't all that new by atomic_toaster · · Score: 1

      No idea. The guy was his friend before my brother moved in to help him out with the rent, and over time he just got weirder. Once my brother and him had fought it out, both with words and fists, it was revealed that the guy would vandalize the stuff in my brother's room when my brother had done something to annoy him, like forget to get out a new roll of toilet paper when the old one was used up. Not a very effective method of getting his point accross, if you ask me, considering that he had blamed anything that happened to my brother's stuff on the dog.

      The moral of this story is: webcam's aren't just for theft security anymore!

  61. Apparently it didn't impact him before... by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1

    Err come on, it's only theft we're talking about. 11 months of jail is certainly not a little vacation you know, it's enough to have a big impact on your life actually.
    Except, with as many convictions as this guy has had, can we really say that jail sentences seem to be having an impact on him? Heck, he probably picked up pointers while he was in there...

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  62. Interesting strawman by benhocking · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure there's any evidence that giving out free needles encourages drug injection though - perhaps you can point to a study that shows this?

    I re-read my post, and sure enough, I never said that giving out free needles encourages drug injection. I said that needle exchange programs (NEPs) should be analyzed. In fact, of course, they have, but most evidence is currently inconclusive. This includes whether NEPs increase drug use and whether NEPs decrease HIV incidents. The study I cited suggest that they do not increase drug use significantly, but they do decrease HIV incidents, although that study acknowledges that these claims are based on models and not empirical information. I think that claiming that these programs should be analyzed is therefore quite logical. Do you disagree?

    I agree that given the current state of knowledge, there are reasons governments should consider getting involved in NEPs. However, there are good reasons for them not getting involved - specifically, their very involvement could jeopardize the NEPs chances of success.

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  63. Chavs are rare around here by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    He's from Cambridge. Speaking as a man of Kent who's lived in Cambridge for 5 years, there are very few true chavs around here.

  64. +1 hypothetical funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If i had a point, it would be your's.

  65. Rich yuppie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to "Richland" you rich white trash.

    1. Re:Rich yuppie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey dude, I'm wage slave in my 20's making less than 30k/yr and living in an apartment that rents for about 3/4 of my monthly pay (after deductions). I am also a slob and the little time I spend at home is sleeping, cooking, or gaming. I don't clean and garbage accumulates around me. So twice per month I pay $40 for a maid to come by and clean up. The parent post said nothing about having a live in maid or anything grand. If you hate the idea of hiring domestic help, then don't, but keep your class-warfare-wannabe-ass off of slashdot.

      Pffft. Kids.

  66. Unfortunately, alcohol is an established drug by benhocking · · Score: 2, Informative

    and US experience has taught us that making it suddenly illegal will probably do more harm than good. I don't see the harm in gradually raising the drinking age, however, until one must be 60 to enjoy a 60-year old Scotch. (And, no, I'm not yet 60, and won't see 60 any time soon.)

    I freely acknowledge that the drug problem is complex. That was exactly my point. Legalizing drugs will not fix our problems, any more than legalizing alcohol did.

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    1. Re:Unfortunately, alcohol is an established drug by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      ...then i'd hate to be the poor guy who happens to be born 21 years and one day before they start raising the drinking age. talk about suckage- knowing all your life that you could have had a beer if you had only stayed in the womb a day longer! damn!

    2. Re:Unfortunately, alcohol is an established drug by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Legalizing drugs will not fix our problems, any more than legalizing alcohol did.

      http://drugwarfacts.org/crime.htm

  67. I wrote cyclops for SGI Indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A while ago (~1994) I implemented a very similar
    system for the SGI Indy, which came with
    an "IndyCam". I was a doctoral student at
    the University of Cambridge, where that had
    recently been a spate of thefts targetting RAM.

    The program was called Cyclops and ran under
    Irix 5.3. Sadly all I have left is the man page...
    if anyone has a pointer to the source, which I
    gave away, please post it!

    Anyway, the only technically interesting aspect
    was the method of deciding whether or not
    movement had occurred in the field of view. Here
    are a couple of excerpts from the cyclops(1)
    man page:

    Algorithm 1
    The first algorithm gives the difference
    between frames as the sum of the magnitudes of
    the differences between each corresponding
    pixel in each frame. Consequently, movement
    is deemed to have occured if sum exceeds
    threshold.

    Algorithm 2
    The second algorithm decides that movement has
    occured if the magnitude of the difference
    between two corresponding pixels ever exceeds
    threshold. This algorithm is faster since the
    computation ceases as soon as the first
    widely differing pixel-pair is encountered.

    Pretty cheesy stuff, but I had to start
    somewhere :)

    RMH

  68. Stripy top by willm5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did anyone notice he had a stripy top on? What do you suppose happened to his mask, and bag with 'swag' written on it?

  69. Why are you keeping laptops in the fridge? by rjune · · Score: 1

    Why are you keeping laptops in the fridge?

  70. Mirrordot link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  71. A bit obvious by Garve · · Score: 1

    No doubt about him being a serial burglar - he's wearing the black and white stripy jumper to prove it, and no doubt the bag over his shoulder has SWAG printed on it in big letters.

    If he'd only worn the third part of the burglar's uniform, the black mask over the eyes, he'd probably have got off with it!

  72. Good security for notebook computers too. by 955301 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm working on this for my Sager 4760, which has a built in video camera at the top of the border around the display.

    It's a z-star branded chip with a pb0330 sensor, Someone recently wrote a driver which supports it: the spca50x module

    So I installed this, installed camorama to test it and mvc-0.8.9 to perform the monitoring. I'm still working on toggling it properly when xscreensaver-command is called and sending the files to another system/ftp site, but it's very promising.

    This is the last piece of hardware on this machine in want of a proper linux driver (save the ati radeon chip).

    The point is, it's not hard to set this type of thing up, and it's a fun project to work on with an instant gratification factor. If you have time and have to leave your systems in an open environment sometimes, it's a great project.

    Nice to see such a thing in action!

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  73. Cell Phone? by Hecateus · · Score: 1

    Will this or other programs stream video/sound to my Cell Phone? ...and thus allow me the choice to alert the police in a single buttone press, switch cameras, turn on/off lights, talk two way with persons viewed...so I can really mess with the minds of trick-or-treaters at the door on Halloween! >:) (ie talking SmartPumkins)

    1. Re:Cell Phone? by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1
      Will this or other programs stream video/sound to my Cell Phone?

      NO But in theory if you had a web enabled phone, you could view the images or the video from your phone. But seriously Try checking out the link It tells you what the software does.

      Here is what it does
  74. that's what it's there for by idlake · · Score: 1

    It happens quite frequently that the web cam that's taking the pictures is itself stolen. That's the main point of including off-site transmission of images from a web cam.

    Note that off-site FTP may not be as safe (because the thief may be able to recover the FTP password from the webcam and delete the images), but off-site E-mail should be.

  75. You're SO brave. What's your actual suggestion? by ianscot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Bleeding heart liberals need to be victimized more often...

    What a totally senseless, trolling thing to say. I could see "If you'd been victimized yourself you'd feel differently." (Personally, I have. It was really jarring, and nobody was ever caught, and I eventually got over it.)

    We all know there's difference between a justice system and a revenge system, but you haven't quite gone there. Instead you're talking about potential consequences that need to be prevented.

    Do you recommend that we sentence people based on the potential consequences that might result from their crimes -- if they'd happened under different circumstances? That's what you seem to be saying. ("What if the wife [if there was one] of the owner was home at the time -- alone" is particularly rich. Ooh, what if it was the daughter? What if it was a troop of Girl Scouts and he took their cookies??)

    You want to be tough on crime. Tell us: what sentence do you recommend? Is this going to turn into one of those "three strikes" laws that take sentencing out of the judge's hands, or what? I want a specific recommendation. It's pretty easy to moan about sentences not being tough enough.

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    1. Re:You're SO brave. What's your actual suggestion? by bigox · · Score: 1
      You want to be tough on crime. Tell us: what sentence do you recommend?

      You want specific? He can stay with you during his rehabilitation. :)

      What a totally senseless, trolling thing to say. I could see "If you'd been victimized yourself you'd feel differently." (Personally, I have. It was really jarring, and nobody was ever caught, and I eventually got over it.)

      You are the exception. Many who espouse leniancy live in nice neighborhoods with very low crime. They are they hypocrites that don't have to deal with crime on a daily basis and pat themselves on the back for being so enlightened.

    2. Re:You're SO brave. What's your actual suggestion? by bigox · · Score: 1

      BTW, what does bravery have anything to do with this?

    3. Re:You're SO brave. What's your actual suggestion? by SeanJones · · Score: 1

      My anger at my burglar subsided long before my rage with the *&^+ing insurance company who, 12 months on, still have not paid out against a non-contested claim. Grrrr. Hanging's too good for them Sean

    4. Re:You're SO brave. What's your actual suggestion? by ianscot · · Score: 1
      BTW, what does bravery have anything to do with this?

      You know, that was an offhand title... Actually I don't think the "lock 'em away, they're subhuman" response is brave at all, so maybe it was ironic. When you start talking about what would happen if someone's wife was home, that's terror, not courage.

      (Incidentally, it so happened that my little sister was housesitting when we were robbed, so she stumbled into the trashed house first. Which is scary to think about.)

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  76. Innovation seems to have taken a nosedive by ruxxell · · Score: 0

    What I don't like about this article is that the police were lauding this setup as "absolutely brilliant" (or whatever the quote was). I know slashdotters are pretty innovative, but the general population hears about something like this and they are flabbergasted that someone would piece two or three easy-to-purchase-and-set-up pieces of technology together to solve a problem. a while back my roommates, who are somewhat "fratty", were throwing a keg party at my house. I was certainly not interested in attending, but what i was more interested in was not having drunken fratboys entering my room and doing god-knows-what in there. I had actually planned on setting up a webcam that would snag pictures, and another program that would check the light intensity of those pictures. if the light intensity changed drastically between any two snags, i would have the program send an email to my phone telling me someone went into my room. then i'd call my roommates from my girlfriends place and say "hey get the fuck out of my room" i didn't go through with it because it would only validate my paranoia, but whatever. little tiny cameras can be used all over the place. I know that "hardware hacking for geeks" has a camera antenna for a car that can be remote controlled. i always thought cars should come standard with 8 cameras positioned around the rim of the roof, so that in case of a collision, all 8 cameras could snap a picture on impact to discern exactly what went down in the surrounding areas of the accident. insurance companies would probably eat that up. ------ dude, where's my sig?

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  77. Would you care to share your code? by webweave · · Score: 1

    Serial Burglar Cought on "Linux video capture". Good Show!

    Now that you have proven your software in a verified field test with positive results, something most commercial security software can't claim.

    Would you consider working on spam?

  78. Webcam shows American Bank Robber by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK its a bit self serving but its still neat to see a robbery from the inside. BrightNoise Inc. Bank Robbery Just click on the Bank Robber in the cneter image!

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  79. Refrigerator Cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so you can catch your roomies drinking right out of the milk carton and other things. Second thought, maybe you don't want one. Some things are better off left unknown.

  80. burglars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now if only they could catch the Parallel burglar, that'd REALLY be progress...

  81. Re:He got me, too! by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

    Now I'm missing all of my legacy ports and can't attach my old 28.8 modem or my palmV without one of them griffin USB adapters.

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  82. "because it would only validate my paranoia" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead you validated your wimpiness.

    You should have boobytrapped the room with stinkbombs. Live rabid coons in a pet carrier with a spring-released door would also work. (I didn't invent that idea, but I can't say where I heard it from because the statute of limitations is still running.)

    Never be afraid to go past social boundaries. In the end, people will respect and fear you, like Cramer on that show about jewish neurotic people.

  83. My suggestion. by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Having studied Brazilian criminal law for a while -- and having worked in a DA's office for two years -- and furthermore begin married to a DA...

    I think our sentencing guidelines are somewhat sensible, even if our prision system sucks.

    B&E+theft (like the guy in the article) = 2 to 8 years hard-jail + fine.

    No one can do more than 30 years time in a row (you can go out, make something wrong, and go back in, but if you are sentenced to, eg, 200 years, you will do only 30). This is because our Constitution forbids explicitally "life inprisonment" (obviously, it forbids death sentences too).

    Primary felons with less than 4 years jail to serve can exchange for community services.

    We have "hard-jail" and "sleep-in-jail" distinctions between crimes and misdemeanors.

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    1. Re:My suggestion. by UranusReallyHertz · · Score: 1

      You consider a 30 year maximum sentance adequate? I'd say its nowhere near adequate. If that was the case in the US we would have a shitload of truly notorious and nasty criminals out on the street by now or in the future. Many serial killers would survive the 30 years in prison and get out still in adequate shape to kill again. Or what about the that moron who killed the two cops and the dispatcher mentioned in the previous slashdot post. He is only 17 and thus he could get out when only 47. Thats insane.

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    2. Re:My suggestion. by karmatic · · Score: 1

      30 years is nearly double what he has lived so far, and might very well be long enough convince him of the errors of his ways.

      If he will be a threat for the rest of his life, kill him. If he won't be a threat in 30 years, let him out. Either way, don't leave him rotting in jail for 50-70 years.

    3. Re:My suggestion. by thogard · · Score: 1

      What do you do with the monsters? The guys that go to jail young for multiple murders and then kill more while they are in jail?

    4. Re:My suggestion. by UranusReallyHertz · · Score: 1

      Its not just about rehabilitation, but about justice. Look at Susan Atkins, who famously butchered the very pregnant Sharon Tate. Shes been in prison ever since. Now I believe she is no threat to society if she were released but I still think she should stay in prison. Just the thought of her being free after what she did makes me cringe. Its not in any way fair for her to be free to live her life after what she did. And due to a stupid loophole invoving the supreme court, she can't be executed. Oh, and killing 3 people like that isn't "error of his ways" its a truly heinous act that permantly and irrovacbly loses you any rights you had to freedom and happiness. Even if he does "see the errors of his ways" he should never have the right to freedom.

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    5. Re:My suggestion. by karmatic · · Score: 1

      I would consider anyone who could kill an innocent child to be a threat to society, regardless of the conditions.

      Killing your cheating wife in a fit of rage is one thing; killing anyone (especially a child) who has done you no wrong shows a lack of conscience, not a case of bad judgement.

  84. clothing by pinkUZI · · Score: 1

    Does anybody else find it really funny that the guy is wearing black & white stripes?

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  85. NOT SLASHDOTTED by sethadam1 · · Score: 1

    Just wisely disallowed Slashdot as a referrer.

    [Click here] for the homepage, and follow the link to the burgler page.

  86. Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your not who that would be aimed at; I'm assuming you woudln't do the buglary in the first place; it's well known that criminals don't expect to be caught, thats why harsher punishments don't make too much difference to crime figures (witness americas prison population)... The only real solution is rehabilitation of some kind...

  87. Serial burglar caught on webcam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Questions:

    i) why not centralise this and feed directly to the police?

    ii) should the police now say - sorry sir, you didn't have a wecam active when your property was stolen - that's like leaving you door open, just asking for trouble

    iii) insurance companies - ditto?

    Just askin'

    1. Re:Serial burglar caught on webcam by GQuon · · Score: 1

      i) False positives

      ii) No. Not yet, at least

      iii) Good question. They could offer reduced premium on home posessions insurance to those that install such equipment. With direct feed to a security company, say, or the insurance company, which looks at the webcams and then calls the police whenever there's an unknown person in the picture and the alarm is on.
      In the UK, big brother watches your burglars!
      Then after some years, they could REQUIRE all insured parties to install those cameras and leave them on 24/7.
      (See Nineteen eighty-four by George Orwell.)

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  88. Camera is mighter than the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shotgun, it appears.

    For all those NRA nut jobs who would love to taste the blood of an intruder, it's nice to note that a peaceful solution was used to catch this guy. A computer with a camera got him rather than an armed confrontation. The wonderful thing is that this gives the burgler a chance to repent, and change his ways. While it's true that the offender is a repeat offender, the peaceful solution allowed him to repent, and throw himself on the mercy of the Lord, rather than be condemed to Hell by a pistol packing NRA nut.

  89. In my best AOL voice... by punxking · · Score: 2, Funny

    "You've got Jail!"

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  90. It's U*K* ... by hummassa · · Score: 1

    It'll be funny if he sues and wins. ... not U.S...

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  91. Musta been hungry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .....mmmmmm serial*.

    (*Yes, I know how it's supposed to be spelled, get over it).

  92. Hey! by GQuon · · Score: 1

    Give me my computer back, you bastard!

    I can't believe you're out on bail allready...

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  93. Similar thing happened at work by mo26101 · · Score: 1

    One night one of the cleaning guys decided to "clean up" the loose change in all of or desks. A coworker had a web cam setup in his cube. The cleaning guy was arrested the next day.

  94. Storm in a teacup by SeanJones · · Score: 2

    Whoa there! Better dress up as a native american first so they get the blame. And dude, is this stuff decaffineated? I don't want to end up wrestling a seriously wired lobster.

  95. At least he didn't shoot it by mathmatt · · Score: 1

    He probably knew the machine was a potential witness to his crime. Perhaps he wouldn't have had to take the computer had it been sleeping quietly in the corner rather than snaping pics and spinning its hard disks.

    THIS JUST IN: The computer was heard pleading to the thief as he left the scene, "I swear I won't tell, just leave me here so I can finish downloading latest.hollywood.dvdscreener for my law abiding owner."

  96. Fitting Punishment by serutan · · Score: 1

    The burglar should have "PWNED!!!" tattooed on his forehead. Backwards, so he sees it in the mirror Every Day.

  97. zoneminder (not Mac Per se) by wolf- · · Score: 1

    Started using Zoneminder just a week or so ago.
    Took a while to setup, but once it was finished, I had 4 netcams monitoring the property.

    Capable or interfacing with an x10 system as well.

    www.zoneminder.com

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  98. heh. by zrk · · Score: 2, Funny

    A few years back I was supporting a dot com startup that was writing an app to do this, and they were going to market it to companies so they could review their security cams easily.

    Halfway through the project, someone broke into their office and stole a lot of their stuff. They did NOT get the burglars on video.

  99. Well here's what I did... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My house was burgled a few years ago. The police knew who it was (or were at least 99.9% certain), although no arrest was ever made (of course), and I found out who it was - in fact I was offered some of my own belongings by the guy. He's also a known car thief and peddles just about anything. Or at least he did.

    I organised a bunch of my friends, we broke into the guys house in balaclavas and beat the hell out of him in front of his girlfriend. He now walks the the aid of a stick, and certainly won't be comitting any burglaries. As far as I'm aware his girlfriend left that night and he hasn't had another. He's also partially deaf due to a nice punch in the side of the head.

    All in all, I think I'm ahead. My insurance paid out, I lost nothing that couldn't be replaced and have a good job. He's presumably now claiming disability and is basically fucked up for the rest of his life. Makes me smile whenever I talk or write about it!

    1. Re:Well here's what I did... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Well, assuming that's true and not just a troll, one would think that what you did was highly unfair... Did he harm anyone as much as you harmed him?

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    2. Re:Well here's what I did... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Aussie style Justice that worked. Now the gimp can't break into houses since he can't run away and the disability payments aren't costing anymore than his dole payments.

  100. You should read ... by Tim+Ward · · Score: 1

    ... news:cam.misc, where this news broke some time ago, like within hours of the burglary.

  101. Hey! by 21mhz · · Score: 1

    He wore my shirt!

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  102. Even better than EGGs! by benhocking · · Score: 1

    Judging from the chart on that site, it would appear that murder statistics are an excellent predictor of drug and alcohol policy. Specifically, prior to prohibition, murder was rising, and prior to the "war on drugs", murder was rising. This suggests that perhaps a rise in murder rates causes a change in drug and alcohol policy (although we all know that correlation != causation). It is very, very difficult from this chart to infer that making alcohol or drugs had an impact on murder rates. One could suggest that discontinuing prohibition reduced murder rates, but that would be confusing a one point sample with any kind of evidence.

    The rest of the facts seem somewhat poorly strung together, so I'm not sure exactly what the points are. I guess that most people arrested for drug crimes are users and not dealers, which I don't dispute. I also agree that we should treat addicts as someone with a disease, and not as evil people. I'm not sure if there was another point here.

    It's entirely possible that you were just sharing general information and this was not intended as any kind of rebuttal, in which case you can ignore my comments. :)

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  103. want that guy's software by LikelyStory · · Score: 1

    SecuritySpy.com -- this one's for Macs. Is really nice.

  104. Well... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    "it didn't stop him from stealing my things"

    Set up your system to flood the room with pepper spray when an intrusion is detected...

    Oh, wait...better make sure it emails you that the room is full of pepper spray...

    Hope you check your email frequently...

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  105. Would have been different in Oregon. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Tony Martin shot and killed a burglar who was running away! His life was not in danger.

    I hear that Oregon law recognizes that a burglar, while fleeing a confrontation with a homeowner, may be reasonably believed to be on his way to his car (or home) to pick up a weapon sutiable for eliminating the witness (either immedately therafter or some time later from ambush).

    (Especially if he's shouting things like "I'll get you, Bitch! You're dead!" on his way down the sidewalk.)

    Thus a person shooting them while fleeing may still be reasonably in fear for their life - either immediately (after he gets the hypothetical shotgun out of the car) or later (when he returns some morning at 4:00 AM).

    However this is what I HEAR - from someone from Oregon. IANAL and even if I were IANALPIO (... Practicing In Oregon).

    So don't count on this if you're living in Oregon and some day find yourself in a position to bless a fleeing burglar with a new navel in his lower back to balance the old one in front.

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    1. Re:Would have been different in Oregon. by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      In the United States, a few states have what are colloquially known as "make my day laws". according to these laws, it is supposedly permissable to kill an intruder on your lands even without proof that the intruder was endangering your life.

      According to This Site the laws were first enacted in Oklahoma and later in Colorado and Arizona. In these states, the use of legal force against intruders is perfectly acceptable. In fact, more than one police officer of my acquaintance has indicated that it would be better to shoot and kill an intruder than to injure and incapacitate him/her. In the latter case, the intruder may attempt to sue the homeowner for being shot, and supposedly there have been instances where the intruder actually won in court.

  106. caught intruders? by bani · · Score: 1

    Yes I have caught intruders with it.

    Names? Court docket numbers perhaps? Successful prosecution and imprisonment?

    1. Re:caught intruders? by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't divulge that info even if I had it, however it wasn't that cut and dry. They were intruders, butthey didn't remove anything. I knew them and confronted them. It was delt with, without the courts.

  107. Guy about to steal JWZ's webcam by leighklotz · · Score: 1
  108. My system; by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

    I'll have to do a full writeup, but I'm partway through setting up a 4-camera system myself which sends images to my remote webserver via ssh (haven't got the camera switching set up, so on any particular day it records whichever camera I happen to have plugged in; usually the mailbox one)

    http://zcat.wired.net.nz/gallery/album09

    Photos of the cameras and warning sign are on the last page :)

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  109. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1
    I'm pretty sure slashdot did a story on this stuff before, "Using Webcams as Remote Security. My favorite is:

    jwz has a 24/7 webcam running in his nightclub that is being reconstructed. So far people have stolen:

    o The webcam
    o Two amplifiers
    o The controller for the emulator lights

    All he managed to get was a few blurry shots of the guy that stole the webcam.

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  110. Is there Windows software which does this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the names of some Windows programs which do this (motion capture from webcam and upload to remote server)?

    1. Re:Is there Windows software which does this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.willingsoftware.com/
      http://www.pysoft .com/

  111. Re:AC is the right name on that one by ianscot · · Score: 1
    And you became what you were afraid of. Gee, that's a new story.

    Maybe you should have told him you were going to do it ahead of time, like "Shock and Awe."

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  112. Excellent Training Grounds by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1
    And meanwhile, they're in a place where they're guaranteed to get nutritious if somewhat bland food, little to do with their time but exercise, and the opportunity to swap tips with others in their profession. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if many people come out of a long imprisonment in better shape to commit crime than when they went in, assuming they don't get knifed or otherwise crippled along the way.

    That said, my experience of prison is entirely from the outside, so if I'm speaking misguidedly, please correct me. *wry grin* And it woiuld be preferable if you did that by way of actually posting an explanation of the error of my ways rather than trying to mod me into oblivion... I learn more that way.

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  113. Are you from the USofA? by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Your worse pound-me-on-the-arse jail is a five-star hotel compared to our eleven-inmates-in-a-room-without-flowing-water ones.

    There is one case that I can remember of a serial killer/rapist called the "Red Light Bandit" (the idiot used a flashlight covered in red celophane to spook his vics), that attacked in the 60's, served his 30 years and got out, ... when he got out he was half-crazed, and not in condition to do anyone any harm... Funny as it seems, he was robbed and murdered less than two months after he got out.

    In our jails, it's forbidden to kill anyone. The other inmates will kill you if you kill somebody. Our official law may be lax, but our "prision law" is tougher. You can be killed in prision for bragging about your intimate visits, or for staring too hard at someone's sister, daughter, or girlfriend. The inmates stage trials with "attorneys", "prosecutors" and "judges" and they'll execute you in accord to the "prision law".

    As I said, we have a great criminal law -- but a lousy (in practice) prision system.

    The "monsters", as you call serial killers/rapists, are far less common down here than in the USofA. Rapists have a short life in prision here, too, altough it's common practice for them to be segregated inside the penitentiaries. Pedophiles die normally in less than one year in prision. They are an aberration.

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  114. Actually did happen to me! by jeephistorian · · Score: 1

    I actually did have a substantial part or my CD collection (including my printer CD - jeez) stolen, but they left the computer. Since I'm a hardware nut, my computer always looks like it just exploded all of the room, so it must have scared the burglar away. Good excuse for a messy system?

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  115. Re:My reply is SLOW! by http · · Score: 1

    You lack imagination.
    A gun makes a VERY effective cudgel. Also, you can (with practice) shoot to lame instead of shoot to kill. And stay off my neighbour's lawn, too.

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  116. Recreational drug use immoral? by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Every single one of them?
    Cigarretes?
    Cigars?
    Tequila?
    Beer?
    Wine ?
    Wine-cooler drinks?
    Coffee?
    Cola?
    Chocolate?
    Viagra?

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