Reminds me of this: It was winter, slight snowfall. A co-worker of mine, on a job for a customer (larger firm), was already in the office, when a guy working there came in. He greeted him: "Good morning, Mr. XYZ, so it's snowing?". The guy flinched, and immediately wiped his nose while glancing around fearfully.
Gave us many, many good laughs at after-work-meetings.
Morale: when in public, always look in the mirror after snorting a line.
How many people work there, several thousands? So, it's not much of a surprise that there are some drug consumers among them. And only such a little amount, if it had been 4.2 kg, I'd understand why this made it into the news, but 4.2 g? That doesn't survive a weekend with buddies and some girls.
While I agree 100 percent that this is not a clever idea, I have to nitpick that this thing up there is named the ISS and not the USSS for a reason. It's our all, not your space station.:)
Who negotiated that, Madoff?. Tito paid only 20 megabucks, and that included the stay on the ISS, not only the transport up and down. Taking a little volume discount into the equation, everything over 15 M$ is plain ripoff.
btw, someone got a spare hundred M$ for me? I wanna go to the moon!
I might read through some of the information and made judgment calls. I would not have released anything I felt endangered national security. Wikileaks made their own choices. They have to live the with consequences of it. If someone died as a result of their choices, would you advocate that they be held responsible?
That would depend on how obvious this person's death was from the knowledge they had.
I don't have a solution but I'm not the one here saying that I do. You seem to have all the answers.
I didn't either, and I never said I have all the answers. But calling WikiLeaks a terrorist organization is definitely not the answer. And until someone comes up with a perfect way to control govt's in the people's interest, having organizations like WikiLeaks is nearer to an answer than letting them hide what they want, because then they'll do what they want, and not what the people want them to do, which is what they should in a democracy.
Why don't you run the government?
Let's pretend I were a native US citizen (I'm German) - because I neither have the money to run a successful campaign on my own in your fucked up system(*) nor would I take the money from others, as they will want something in return for it. But I'd take the job if I got an offer.:)
(*) Winning the election is greatly depending on how much money you have for your campaign and how many powerful people support you because you promise to rule in their interest then. IMO that's totally fucked up. In Germany it's not so much about the money, here you have to work your way up in a party, one of the two biggest if you want to be chancellor. After an election, positions like secretary are not assigned by looking who's most competent for that job or at least elected by the members of the party, but according to how good you served your party, or more exactly it's actual leader. Our parties are so fucking undemocratic when you take a closer look, that it makes me sick. Best example is our actual secretary of foreign aid - during the last campaign he said that this department must be abolished, now he's it's secretary. His reward for being a good worker bee for our ridiculous secretary of the foreign. Just a little less fucked up.
As would I but I am not taking the position that I want to know EVERYTHING.
If it was really only available to me, I'd want that.:) No, seriously, I am not advocating to make all gov't databases publicly available. And I'd rather like to live in world where I can trust my gov't in their decisions what to hide and what to make public. But until that utopia, we need stuff like WikiLeaks. Even if there are possible disadvantages coming with that, but they outweigh the disadvantages of a gov't uncontrolled in what they hide.
So I should trust you?
Absolutely.:)
That's not what I said nor implied. I said that divulging some national secrets is dangerous specifically intelligence and counter-intelligence efforts. You seem to see everything as black and white that all information needs to be divulged. Should the President of the United States and Russia go on national TV and start telling everyone where the nuclear silos are and what the launch codes are?
No, but please tell me, whom should WikiLeaks have asked about what to publish and what not, your gov't? Oh, and IIRC they gave the stuff to serious journalists, they didn't put it all up on Rapidshare and published the links.
So, tell me your idea of a solution to the problem of gov't doing "dark side" stuff and hiding it.
And having police (not the Band!) is an effect of things like criminals. Yes, I would be fine with an utopia without a need for laws and law enforcers, but that doesn't make police a bad thing in general (although what I read about police sometimes can give me that feeling).
I have 6 320 GB WD RE here, running almost 24/7 since I bought them in 06 or 07 (the time when 320 GB was most bang for the bucks). Before, I had 250s from Maxtor, where I had to send in three of them in less than the four years my WDs run without any problem now.
Pity that you can't buy REs anymore, as the price difference to the normal drives went from perfectly acceptable to totally insane (IIRC I paid about 20 or 30 Euros more for each, now they cost more than double of a "blue").
LOL, did you ever look into the case of such an "external HD"? Yes, it's just case with a normal HD inside, which you can take out and install in your desktop box like every other 3.5" drive (implying OS support) . Don't know what they smoked or snorted in Seagate's HQ before they decided to sell it only in the external casing.
My bad, I completely forgot about the existence of SunOS:)
Shame on you! Lemme guess, your boss' name is Larry?;-)
It's a great pity how some liked names become forgotten so fast. Not that I'm anti-Oracle, but I have to admit that it didn't feel good when I first saw the Oracle logo in the JRE update installer.
In the earlier days of DSL in Germany, some ISPs were stupid enough to try the same thing. Like AT&T will do, they stopped that after a short time, because people switched in masses, which is obviously the only consequence of such an attempt of cheating your customers. When will they ever learn?
No, some other guy here got it right, it was SolarOS, qualifying for the most obvious reference to SunOS ever. And, how exactly - besides from the output of uname - do you tell, let's say SunOS, Linux, AIX, HP-UX and *BSD apart, when all that you see is a non-graphical login and some operations in the shell?
Because the mob (and by extension, the Russian "government") doesn't even pretend to "prosecute" you, they just pull you into an unmarked white van, torture you, and dump your corpse in a ditch.
That only differs in the last part from what some of your three letter agencies do. OK, maybe their vans have a different color, too.
Interfacing was another problem, but the hot chick was a "plane hacker" too (and that, on the other hand, doesn't make any sense).
Oh, I'm sure that there are some hackers with special interest in airplane tech. But, when I take my personal experiences with computer-affine females into account, it didn't make sense that they chose such a hot girl for the role. It seems to me that (absolutely fictional numbers follow, just wanting to make my point clear), say, 25 of 100 girls are somewhat beautiful to my eyes, but when you take 100 geek girls, this goes down to less than ten:)
I don't know about you but if I were in charge, I would hide information about my intelligence and counter-intelligence in other countries. I would hide my assessments of threats. But that's me. There is a balance to what I don't need to know. How my government spent my tax dollars I want to know. What operatives are doing in Yemen, I don't want to know.
Take a look in your own country's history, like the Iran-contra-affair and all this other evil things. I wanna know about such wrongdoings.
See, the problem is that they can't be trusted to only act right (or at least stand up and face the consequences when doing something wrong), and to only hide things that should be hidden from the people's POV.
Again how do you know it's old information? You don't. A communication from six months or 1 year ago about increasing personnel can be relevant today. The CIA may have changed their plans or may not have sent the personnel in yet. You don't know. The other thing is that not all operatives working for the CIA are European or American looking. Knowledge that CIA is increasing personnel would make someone new in Yemen an unwitting target. They could just happen to be an Egyptian engineer working for Exxon Mobil on a new project or they could be an operative. They might be kidnapped or killed and have no relationship to the US.
OK, then maybe that high risk of being in Yemen is increased a little more. Just like in every case the USA openly do something that those terrorists dislike.
You seem to be arguing from a very binary perspective: Do you think the US government should have hidden intelligence and counter intelligence efforts or not? I think they should. Personally I think there was much in the leaks that the government should be accountable for. The needless spying on the UN; the pointless diplomatic chatter, etc. But there were things that should not have been leaked as they presented a reasonable danger to national security.
Then, what do you prefer, a government completely uncontrolled, because they can hide every big and little dirty action, or having at least some kind of control, even if that comes with theoretically and probably rather little disadvantages?
Changing the clock is idiotic. If anything, working times should be shifted, not "time" itself.
For the last years, since I don't watch broadcasted TV anymore, I only became aware of the DST day because my computers showed a different time than the clock in my microwave.
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Reminds me of this: It was winter, slight snowfall. A co-worker of mine, on a job for a customer (larger firm), was already in the office, when a guy working there came in. He greeted him: "Good morning, Mr. XYZ, so it's snowing?". The guy flinched, and immediately wiped his nose while glancing around fearfully.
Gave us many, many good laughs at after-work-meetings.
Morale: when in public, always look in the mirror after snorting a line.
How many people work there, several thousands? So, it's not much of a surprise that there are some drug consumers among them. And only such a little amount, if it had been 4.2 kg, I'd understand why this made it into the news, but 4.2 g? That doesn't survive a weekend with buddies and some girls.
Then make it 20 M$, not 15. Should be enough for first class with that. :)
While I agree 100 percent that this is not a clever idea, I have to nitpick that this thing up there is named the ISS and not the USSS for a reason. It's our all, not your space station. :)
You should sue your pusher for selling you some really bad dope, man!
Who negotiated that, Madoff?. Tito paid only 20 megabucks, and that included the stay on the ISS, not only the transport up and down. Taking a little volume discount into the equation, everything over 15 M$ is plain ripoff.
btw, someone got a spare hundred M$ for me? I wanna go to the moon!
I might read through some of the information and made judgment calls. I would not have released anything I felt endangered national security. Wikileaks made their own choices. They have to live the with consequences of it. If someone died as a result of their choices, would you advocate that they be held responsible?
That would depend on how obvious this person's death was from the knowledge they had.
I don't have a solution but I'm not the one here saying that I do. You seem to have all the answers.
I didn't either, and I never said I have all the answers. But calling WikiLeaks a terrorist organization is definitely not the answer. And until someone comes up with a perfect way to control govt's in the people's interest, having organizations like WikiLeaks is nearer to an answer than letting them hide what they want, because then they'll do what they want, and not what the people want them to do, which is what they should in a democracy.
Why don't you run the government?
Let's pretend I were a native US citizen (I'm German) - because I neither have the money to run a successful campaign on my own in your fucked up system(*) nor would I take the money from others, as they will want something in return for it. But I'd take the job if I got an offer. :)
(*) Winning the election is greatly depending on how much money you have for your campaign and how many powerful people support you because you promise to rule in their interest then. IMO that's totally fucked up. In Germany it's not so much about the money, here you have to work your way up in a party, one of the two biggest if you want to be chancellor. After an election, positions like secretary are not assigned by looking who's most competent for that job or at least elected by the members of the party, but according to how good you served your party, or more exactly it's actual leader. Our parties are so fucking undemocratic when you take a closer look, that it makes me sick. Best example is our actual secretary of foreign aid - during the last campaign he said that this department must be abolished, now he's it's secretary. His reward for being a good worker bee for our ridiculous secretary of the foreign. Just a little less fucked up.
As would I but I am not taking the position that I want to know EVERYTHING.
If it was really only available to me, I'd want that. :) No, seriously, I am not advocating to make all gov't databases publicly available. And I'd rather like to live in world where I can trust my gov't in their decisions what to hide and what to make public. But until that utopia, we need stuff like WikiLeaks. Even if there are possible disadvantages coming with that, but they outweigh the disadvantages of a gov't uncontrolled in what they hide.
So I should trust you?
Absolutely. :)
That's not what I said nor implied. I said that divulging some national secrets is dangerous specifically intelligence and counter-intelligence efforts. You seem to see everything as black and white that all information needs to be divulged. Should the President of the United States and Russia go on national TV and start telling everyone where the nuclear silos are and what the launch codes are?
No, but please tell me, whom should WikiLeaks have asked about what to publish and what not, your gov't? Oh, and IIRC they gave the stuff to serious journalists, they didn't put it all up on Rapidshare and published the links.
So, tell me your idea of a solution to the problem of gov't doing "dark side" stuff and hiding it.
Since when does telling the truth about a case of fraud fall under "bullying"?
And having police (not the Band!) is an effect of things like criminals. Yes, I would be fine with an utopia without a need for laws and law enforcers, but that doesn't make police a bad thing in general (although what I read about police sometimes can give me that feeling).
I have 6 320 GB WD RE here, running almost 24/7 since I bought them in 06 or 07 (the time when 320 GB was most bang for the bucks). Before, I had 250s from Maxtor, where I had to send in three of them in less than the four years my WDs run without any problem now.
Pity that you can't buy REs anymore, as the price difference to the normal drives went from perfectly acceptable to totally insane (IIRC I paid about 20 or 30 Euros more for each, now they cost more than double of a "blue").
LOL, did you ever look into the case of such an "external HD"? Yes, it's just case with a normal HD inside, which you can take out and install in your desktop box like every other 3.5" drive (implying OS support) . Don't know what they smoked or snorted in Seagate's HQ before they decided to sell it only in the external casing.
My bad, I completely forgot about the existence of SunOS :)
Shame on you! Lemme guess, your boss' name is Larry? ;-)
It's a great pity how some liked names become forgotten so fast. Not that I'm anti-Oracle, but I have to admit that it didn't feel good when I first saw the Oracle logo in the JRE update installer.
In the earlier days of DSL in Germany, some ISPs were stupid enough to try the same thing. Like AT&T will do, they stopped that after a short time, because people switched in masses, which is obviously the only consequence of such an attempt of cheating your customers. When will they ever learn?
No, some other guy here got it right, it was SolarOS, qualifying for the most obvious reference to SunOS ever. And, how exactly - besides from the output of uname - do you tell, let's say SunOS, Linux, AIX, HP-UX and *BSD apart, when all that you see is a non-graphical login and some operations in the shell?
In this case, *sufficient* security would include a complete new identity and loads of fake evidence pointing to other people.
It's not a problem of what the currency is based on. It's an inherent problem of capitalism itself.
Because the mob (and by extension, the Russian "government") doesn't even pretend to "prosecute" you, they just pull you into an unmarked white van, torture you, and dump your corpse in a ditch.
That only differs in the last part from what some of your three letter agencies do. OK, maybe their vans have a different color, too.
Obvious solution: take the Au, buy sufficient security with it and release the material nonetheless.
Or just leak it anonymously to every Woodward-like journalist you can find.
Interfacing was another problem, but the hot chick was a "plane hacker" too (and that, on the other hand, doesn't make any sense).
Oh, I'm sure that there are some hackers with special interest in airplane tech. But, when I take my personal experiences with computer-affine females into account, it didn't make sense that they chose such a hot girl for the role. It seems to me that (absolutely fictional numbers follow, just wanting to make my point clear), say, 25 of 100 girls are somewhat beautiful to my eyes, but when you take 100 geek girls, this goes down to less than ten :)
In a real constitutional state, this doesn't happen.
I don't know about you but if I were in charge, I would hide information about my intelligence and counter-intelligence in other countries. I would hide my assessments of threats. But that's me. There is a balance to what I don't need to know. How my government spent my tax dollars I want to know. What operatives are doing in Yemen, I don't want to know.
Take a look in your own country's history, like the Iran-contra-affair and all this other evil things. I wanna know about such wrongdoings.
See, the problem is that they can't be trusted to only act right (or at least stand up and face the consequences when doing something wrong), and to only hide things that should be hidden from the people's POV.
Again how do you know it's old information? You don't. A communication from six months or 1 year ago about increasing personnel can be relevant today. The CIA may have changed their plans or may not have sent the personnel in yet. You don't know. The other thing is that not all operatives working for the CIA are European or American looking. Knowledge that CIA is increasing personnel would make someone new in Yemen an unwitting target. They could just happen to be an Egyptian engineer working for Exxon Mobil on a new project or they could be an operative. They might be kidnapped or killed and have no relationship to the US.
OK, then maybe that high risk of being in Yemen is increased a little more. Just like in every case the USA openly do something that those terrorists dislike.
You seem to be arguing from a very binary perspective: Do you think the US government should have hidden intelligence and counter intelligence efforts or not? I think they should. Personally I think there was much in the leaks that the government should be accountable for. The needless spying on the UN; the pointless diplomatic chatter, etc. But there were things that should not have been leaked as they presented a reasonable danger to national security.
Then, what do you prefer, a government completely uncontrolled, because they can hide every big and little dirty action, or having at least some kind of control, even if that comes with theoretically and probably rather little disadvantages?
Publishing the information that WikiLeaks published is not a crime in the US (and if it were, the jurisdictional issues would be interesting).
Oh, really? You want to tell that Mr. Assange would have nothing to fear if he went to the USA tomorrow? LMAO!
Changing the clock is idiotic. If anything, working times should be shifted, not "time" itself.
For the last years, since I don't watch broadcasted TV anymore, I only became aware of the DST day because my computers showed a different time than the clock in my microwave.
Do I smell Soylent Green here?