Insightful? To sue first? You're kidding, right? And the mods are in on the joke, right?
They took the steps:
1: Try hard to discretely point out to Linksys they appear to be violating the source code licence.
2: When that fails to resolve or clarify the issue, state it publicly with a detailed and referenced explanation of the issue and why they appear to be in violation.
The next step will be to sue if 2 doesn't provide a remedy, but you want them to sue first.
That said, I have another question... what if a company contracts out some aspects of their firmware design to a third party, but the parent company themselves use MS-sourced software. Say I hire AcmeSoft to write a driver for me for a router I'm making. AcmeSoft deliveres some statically-linked binaries to me (but no source code), which I statically link into the GPL'd source code and in-house source code that my guys have written. Now, I make all that GPL software and my in-ouse software freely available, but I can't make the source for that driver from AcmeSoft available, because I don't have it. While technically, I'm in violation of the GPL and MS source licencing, but I've done all I can (short of pressuring AcmeSoft for the source (which they won't give me) or ditching [whatever] altogether), am I really such a bad guy?
By the way, why stop short of pressuring the vendor to provide sources?
MS and other proprietary vendors use licensing to prevent others from making money on their work. GPL'd code writers use licensing to prevent others from forking their code into proprietary-only products. BSD-style-license code writers don't care what someone else does with their work. Why should we respect one type of license and not the others, and if you only respect one type of license why wouldn't it be the GPL? It at least protects individuals.
That's like justifying stealing Star Wars action figures by saying "I saw the movie 25 times, so I've given George Lucas enough money to compensate for it".
Oh crap, I hope it's okay with you that I read that, otherwise it would be the same as if I had stolen your pencils and pens.
How you determine trust of a source that refuses to provide a "real world" identity is beyond me
For one, the source doesn't have to be anonymous. They can have a public web page (or any other "real world" public notice) that announces that their public key is SSK@abc~123PaGM, and the spammers would have to crack the private/public key combo to spoof it.
Secondly, even if the source is anonymous the key can build a reputation over time. I assume these spamblock lists change frequently, so to spoof a legitimate anonymous spamblock list the spammers would need to publish several good lists under a SSK key (Freenet terminology) before people really trusted it, and even then when they came up with a bogus list the trust in that SSK key would be lost.
There are plenty of other issues, but I think trust via anonymous key or known-source key is not an issue with Freenet.
Come to think of it, even if you don't trust Freenet's keys the spamblock lists could still be signed with PGP or GPG.
I haven't used spamblock lists, so I am just assuming that a central authority publishes the lists; if this is the case Freenet should work for distribution. I'm not familiar with how people submit entries to the list, so I don't know if Freenet is appropriate for that.
I don't know how usable OBOS is though. They don't seem to say on their site, and I really can't be bothered with installing it until it runs Photoshop.;)
Their primary goal is an OS that is binary and source compatible with BeOS 5 (there might have been some exceptions for network code), so it's going to be a while. But since that is their goal they can use actual BeOS modules in place of the unfinished parts.
Never. Fact is, for a blacklist to have any credibity it has to come from a central source. If it doesn't, then how are you going to authenticate the real blacklist from a fake claiming to be the blacklist but actually blocking legit ISPs and letting spammers by. P2P isn't the solution to everything.
Someone suggested Freenet earlier. Data is inserted with private/public key pairs, so it should be difficult to spoof the list if the source is trustworthy and keeps the private key hidden.
GNUnet is a similar project, and there is yet another whose name I forget.
I've used Freenet quite a bit, but the past two months it's been really hard to work with when publishing. Maybe I should try the NGR version.
Oh please, knock it off with the 9/11 exploitation. . .. And even if the debate had still been raging at the time of the terrorist attack, so what? What do you think would have been done differently? The initial response to 9/11 had bipartisan support.
It was not my intent to exploit 9/11. The initial response to 9/11 was bipartisan support centered around the president. Even at the time I thought Shrub (aka W) was an empty suit corporate sell out, but you have to rally around someone. If there were no clear president at the time, who would we rally around as a nation? Who's the commander-in-chief? The point is not specific to 9/11 but any national emergency.
As far as what would have been done differently, if the presidency was in dispute then who commands the armed forces to attack Afghanistan? Or do you think Clinton would have stayed in office until the Bush/Gore issue was settled? That's a whole other furball. (Actually that would've been okay with me.) If the presidency had been in dispute at the time, my fear is that Americans would have divided as to who should be the CiC instead of rallying together.
I have no argument with your other points. Bush's isolationist stance at the beginning of his presidency deeply disturbed me.
Also, I agree that the U.S. Supreme Court stuck its nose where it didn't belong. I just don't know what the "right" answer was.
No matter what action could have been taken, I saw 3 possible outcomes:
1: Choose Bush swiftly 2: Choose Gore swiftly 3: Drag the process out for weeks or monthts with no clear president. I'll leave the problems of post-Jan 20 as an exercise for the reader.
I wish Gore had been made president, but I respect him for stopping the fight farily quickly. The vote was just too freakin' close, and a large portion of the population would be unhappy and screaming "cheater" no matter which way it came out.
Even then I knew it would be bad to not have a clear president, but can you imagine if the debate was still continuing on 9/11/01?
We can argue about what the "right" solution was, but the fact is a whole lot of people are going to disagree, especially back then during the fiasco. So as much as I am suspicious of Florida's election process, I can't jump up and down and give a "better" solution short of amending the constitution, and I doubt that solution would be any better. The only solution is to vote this time around if you didn't last time.
Anyways, we just boot the machine with knoppix, transfer the data off the bad partition on to an external hard drive and call it good. Before we used to have to pull the drive out and get it mounted in another system for this.
I've done this myself. In fact there have been two occasions when Windows couldn't read the drive but Knoppix could!
Vote.. really. What planet were you on during the last US election?
Bush wasn't voted into office. He was selected. With his brothers help. With lots of money.
Even if the above is completely true, it was only possible because the election was incredibly close. If more than 50% of people got out and voted maybe it wouldn't have been so close.
The U.S. vote and the consumer dollar are still worth quite a bit in the USA. In fact, since last election was so damn close the value of your vote this time around has greatly increased. I don't think it's time to overthrow the government.
Seriously, I want to know. I'd like to borrow some of his/her CDs for personal use. Of course, I have some to lend as well...
I've recently discovered a couple of things called "family" and "extended family" that seem to have a rather diverse collection of CDs. I've also heard about "socializing" and "friends", but I've been afraid to venture there yet.
Seriously, I'm CD-swapping offline now and am surprised at the variety available to me. By the way, I avoid swapping with coworkers because they're more likely to turn and stab you in the back.
Man, the mods are funny. The real goatse link is at +1 Troll with 50% Informative and my not-the-bad-tubgirl link is at -1 Troll. (For those who were afraid to click, the Google image search linked doesn't have anything gross, just a couple of almost-not-safe-for-work pics and a few safe ones.) At least I had a +1 funny for a little while.:-)
Should probably post this as anonymous, but what the heck..two more -1 Offtopic's on the way. Enjoy.
However, the RIAA must've forseen this possibility (inevitibility) and planned for it. I mean, come on; you're suing IP addresses and screen names for a p2p service, so you're bound to realize you're going to get some kids in the dragnet.
I think the whole thing sucks. I'm not sure whether to expect a spin job from the RIAA or a statement that kids must be held responsible by their parents or something.
By the way, my Kazaa use had dropped to almost nil now, but I've discovered that my family has quite a large selection of CDs that I don't have and like. I'm ripping like mad and have a way bigger collection that I ever got from p2p. What's funny is that I'm also discovering "new" music this way.
I tried to paste into a paper airplane but wound up eating both the paste and form/plane. My mommy is typing this for me and wants to know where this falls in the IQ list.
In my Fortune 500 company the virus department, corporate HQ tech support and CEO's LAN & home LAN are the most frequently infected areas. Sad, just sad. (I work in a field office and have been relaxing and reading Slashdot the past two weeks since we patched ahead of time.)
That reminds me: Does anyone have any idea where that crap started? And why it continues? I mean is everyone really getting orgasmically good experiences buying on eBay? Prompt communication, payment, shipping and acknowledgement is a proper sale. Simply not getting screwed shouldn't merit imaginary new high scores.
It wouldn't take much for a company like HP to do a decent preload.
I agree. It all seems politcal & PR. Here are some possible reasons:
Doesn't want to provide Linux support, therefore doesn't supply a real Linux product but a do-it-yourself kit
Wants to sell a PC that companies will load their own Windows (or other OS) on, and they're using Linux as an excuse or PR improver. (Hey, Mandrake is more full-featured than FreeDOS, right Dell?)
They want to minimize pissing off Mircosoft while appearing to be on the Linux bandwagon
To say they're offering a Linux product to make open source developers happy and cooperative with them
Because they're hoping StrongBad's next substandard PC will say "HP" on it and get free advertising
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Insightful? To sue first? You're kidding, right? And the mods are in on the joke, right?
... what if a company contracts out some aspects of their firmware design to a third party, but the parent company themselves use MS-sourced software. Say I hire AcmeSoft to write a driver for me for a router I'm making. AcmeSoft deliveres some statically-linked binaries to me (but no source code), which I statically link into the GPL'd source code and in-house source code that my guys have written. Now, I make all that GPL software and my in-ouse software freely available, but I can't make the source for that driver from AcmeSoft available, because I don't have it. While technically, I'm in violation of the GPL and MS source licencing, but I've done all I can (short of pressuring AcmeSoft for the source (which they won't give me) or ditching [whatever] altogether), am I really such a bad guy?
They took the steps:
1: Try hard to discretely point out to Linksys they appear to be violating the source code licence.
2: When that fails to resolve or clarify the issue, state it publicly with a detailed and referenced explanation of the issue and why they appear to be in violation.
The next step will be to sue if 2 doesn't provide a remedy, but you want them to sue first.
That said, I have another question
By the way, why stop short of pressuring the vendor to provide sources?
MS and other proprietary vendors use licensing to prevent others from making money on their work. GPL'd code writers use licensing to prevent others from forking their code into proprietary-only products. BSD-style-license code writers don't care what someone else does with their work. Why should we respect one type of license and not the others, and if you only respect one type of license why wouldn't it be the GPL? It at least protects individuals.
That's like justifying stealing Star Wars action figures by saying "I saw the movie 25 times, so I've given George Lucas enough money to compensate for it".
Oh crap, I hope it's okay with you that I read that, otherwise it would be the same as if I had stolen your pencils and pens.
How you determine trust of a source that refuses to provide a "real world" identity is beyond me
For one, the source doesn't have to be anonymous. They can have a public web page (or any other "real world" public notice) that announces that their public key is SSK@abc~123PaGM, and the spammers would have to crack the private/public key combo to spoof it.
Secondly, even if the source is anonymous the key can build a reputation over time. I assume these spamblock lists change frequently, so to spoof a legitimate anonymous spamblock list the spammers would need to publish several good lists under a SSK key (Freenet terminology) before people really trusted it, and even then when they came up with a bogus list the trust in that SSK key would be lost.
There are plenty of other issues, but I think trust via anonymous key or known-source key is not an issue with Freenet.
Come to think of it, even if you don't trust Freenet's keys the spamblock lists could still be signed with PGP or GPG.
I haven't used spamblock lists, so I am just assuming that a central authority publishes the lists; if this is the case Freenet should work for distribution. I'm not familiar with how people submit entries to the list, so I don't know if Freenet is appropriate for that.
Well, at least the virgin blood should be easy to come by here on Slashdot.
Sorry, I can't help anymore. Shoulda asked me before I turned 33.
I don't know how usable OBOS is though. They don't seem to say on their site, and I really can't be bothered with installing it until it runs Photoshop. ;)
Their primary goal is an OS that is binary and source compatible with BeOS 5 (there might have been some exceptions for network code), so it's going to be a while. But since that is their goal they can use actual BeOS modules in place of the unfinished parts.
Never. Fact is, for a blacklist to have any credibity it has to come from a central source. If it doesn't, then how are you going to authenticate the real blacklist from a fake claiming to be the blacklist but actually blocking legit ISPs and letting spammers by. P2P isn't the solution to everything.
Someone suggested Freenet earlier. Data is inserted with private/public key pairs, so it should be difficult to spoof the list if the source is trustworthy and keeps the private key hidden.
GNUnet is a similar project, and there is yet another whose name I forget.
I've used Freenet quite a bit, but the past two months it's been really hard to work with when publishing. Maybe I should try the NGR version.
Oh please, knock it off with the 9/11 exploitation. .
. .
And even if the debate had still been raging at the time of the terrorist attack, so what? What do you think would have been done differently? The initial response to 9/11 had bipartisan support.
It was not my intent to exploit 9/11. The initial response to 9/11 was bipartisan support centered around the president. Even at the time I thought Shrub (aka W) was an empty suit corporate sell out, but you have to rally around someone. If there were no clear president at the time, who would we rally around as a nation? Who's the commander-in-chief? The point is not specific to 9/11 but any national emergency.
As far as what would have been done differently, if the presidency was in dispute then who commands the armed forces to attack Afghanistan? Or do you think Clinton would have stayed in office until the Bush/Gore issue was settled? That's a whole other furball. (Actually that would've been okay with me.) If the presidency had been in dispute at the time, my fear is that Americans would have divided as to who should be the CiC instead of rallying together.
I have no argument with your other points. Bush's isolationist stance at the beginning of his presidency deeply disturbed me.
Also, I agree that the U.S. Supreme Court stuck its nose where it didn't belong. I just don't know what the "right" answer was.
I voted for Gore, and I wanted him to win, BUT:
No matter what action could have been taken, I saw 3 possible outcomes:
1: Choose Bush swiftly
2: Choose Gore swiftly
3: Drag the process out for weeks or monthts with no clear president. I'll leave the problems of post-Jan 20 as an exercise for the reader.
I wish Gore had been made president, but I respect him for stopping the fight farily quickly. The vote was just too freakin' close, and a large portion of the population would be unhappy and screaming "cheater" no matter which way it came out.
Even then I knew it would be bad to not have a clear president, but can you imagine if the debate was still continuing on 9/11/01?
We can argue about what the "right" solution was, but the fact is a whole lot of people are going to disagree, especially back then during the fiasco. So as much as I am suspicious of Florida's election process, I can't jump up and down and give a "better" solution short of amending the constitution, and I doubt that solution would be any better. The only solution is to vote this time around if you didn't last time.
Anyways, we just boot the machine with knoppix, transfer the data off the bad partition on to an external hard drive and call it good. Before we used to have to pull the drive out and get it mounted in another system for this.
I've done this myself. In fact there have been two occasions when Windows couldn't read the drive but Knoppix could!
It appears to be a mix of leet speak, m00se credits and Knights Who Say "Ni", the latter two being from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".
Emails are less than worthless, remember: meet > phone > write > email
My take:
meet > phone > write > shout at TV > use toilet paper with politician's image > thinking of polititian unfavorably while cleaning fingernails > email
With everything but email, at least you accomplish something. (Shouting at TV releivs stress.)
Vote.. really. What planet were you on during the last US election?
Bush wasn't voted into office. He was selected. With his brothers help. With lots of money.
Even if the above is completely true, it was only possible because the election was incredibly close. If more than 50% of people got out and voted maybe it wouldn't have been so close.
The U.S. vote and the consumer dollar are still worth quite a bit in the USA. In fact, since last election was so damn close the value of your vote this time around has greatly increased. I don't think it's time to overthrow the government.
Seriously, I want to know. I'd like to borrow some of his/her CDs for personal use. Of course, I have some to lend as well...
I've recently discovered a couple of things called "family" and "extended family" that seem to have a rather diverse collection of CDs. I've also heard about "socializing" and "friends", but I've been afraid to venture there yet.
Seriously, I'm CD-swapping offline now and am surprised at the variety available to me. By the way, I avoid swapping with coworkers because they're more likely to turn and stab you in the back.
Thanks...I think.
:-)
Man, the mods are funny. The real goatse link is at +1 Troll with 50% Informative and my not-the-bad-tubgirl link is at -1 Troll. (For those who were afraid to click, the Google image search linked doesn't have anything gross, just a couple of almost-not-safe-for-work pics and a few safe ones.) At least I had a +1 funny for a little while.
Should probably post this as anonymous, but what the heck..two more -1 Offtopic's on the way. Enjoy.
Congratulations, you have the first +1 informative goatse guy link I have seen. Perhaps I'll have the first +1 funny tubgirl?
Don't we wish.
However, the RIAA must've forseen this possibility (inevitibility) and planned for it. I mean, come on; you're suing IP addresses and screen names for a p2p service, so you're bound to realize you're going to get some kids in the dragnet.
I think the whole thing sucks. I'm not sure whether to expect a spin job from the RIAA or a statement that kids must be held responsible by their parents or something.
By the way, my Kazaa use had dropped to almost nil now, but I've discovered that my family has quite a large selection of CDs that I don't have and like. I'm ripping like mad and have a way bigger collection that I ever got from p2p. What's funny is that I'm also discovering "new" music this way.
I tried to paste into a paper airplane but wound up eating both the paste and form/plane. My mommy is typing this for me and wants to know where this falls in the IQ list.
Just download it from formster.
Or FormZAA, FormTrack, GNUForm, FreeForm, Forcleus or Form Donkey.
Google for your user ID and "site:slashdot.org".
In my Fortune 500 company the virus department, corporate HQ tech support and CEO's LAN & home LAN are the most frequently infected areas. Sad, just sad. (I work in a field office and have been relaxing and reading Slashdot the past two weeks since we patched ahead of time.)
That reminds me: Does anyone have any idea where that crap started? And why it continues? I mean is everyone really getting orgasmically good experiences buying on eBay? Prompt communication, payment, shipping and acknowledgement is a proper sale. Simply not getting screwed shouldn't merit imaginary new high scores.
You shouldn't have accepted cards offered from Delaware.
I agree. It all seems politcal & PR. Here are some possible reasons:
I hated how AMD was viewed exactly in the same way when compared to Intel. "The cheaper solution.."
In AMD's case, was there any other reason for using them? (You're using past tense, so I assume you mean pre-Opteron.)