Because the viral GPL would require any money dispensed by the machine to be able to be copied and distributed to others for only the cost of the media. Or at least that's probably what Microsoft told them.
The next chips out of Intel IA2 (or whatever) will be largely based on the Alpha chip. ..
Do you have any links to back that up? That would be the coolest thing in the world, but from what I've read recently HP is burying Alpha and PA-RISC in favor of Intel's Itanium, and that Intel has some of the technology from Alpha but apparently can't just take off with a new line of Alphas by themselves.
That's the beauty of open source - you can reinvent the wheel as many times as you want. Yo leave it up to the end use to pick the wheel that rolls the best.
That's not the way it should be. Everyone should get together, discuss the issue, decide on what's best and do it.
Cute Senator: But that's the problem, not everyone agrees.
This leaves you with a bare-bones install between 90 - 150 mB, depending on the RH version.
I'll have to try that again. I tried to do do a minimal install a month ago for a work project but still wound up with a 450 megabyte system! I tried RedHat because it seems to be the company favored Linux, but after that bloated install I used Zipslack instead and added a couple of packages and removed a few more.
By the way, the project was to turn obsolete PCs into tn3270 terminals. I wanted it to basically be an embedded device so that it booted straight into the app and didn't allow logins, just like a real 3270 only slower startup. I got my first prototype working on a P166 using Zipslack and c3270 (a curses-based tn3270 client) from the x3270 project when the project was killed by a clueless VP when the tech-savvy people approved the idea and were excited about it. Pooh. I could've had a half-a-million-dollar savings on my resume.
In short, I don't understand why the existing installer gets so much flak. I'll admit dselect stinks for too many reasons to list here, and I find tasksel to be over-generalized. Therefore, I recommend that people search for packages they want, and install them with apt-get after the installation procedure.
Agreed. When I installed Debian dselect drove me nuts for quite a while until I finally read up on apt-get. Dselect gave me as much depencency hell as RPM did; RedHat 6.2 advised not to try to install X after the the system was installed! I tried it anyway and hated RedHat since. But apt-get is way better, and I've used Debian package search to find things like xxd (a hex dumper that Debian told me was part of the vim package) and glxgears & glxinfo.
apt-get dist-upgrade is just way too cool. Really. Potato (Debian 2.2r4) to Woody (Debian 3.0) with no problems. Wow. (Well, one problem: Gnotepad+ and some other package both fight over ownership of one html help file that I don't use.)
Disclaimer: my early days of GNU/Linux go back to 1994 and the then-current version of Slackware. I've always like the text-based installers better. I guess it depends on how much you want to know and control the system versus how pretty and/or "easy" you want it.
Another point that needs to be made is in comparing distro installers to commercial installers is the fact that there are more decisions to be made because there are more functions available to install from a free distribution than a commercial system. With Windows you have to jump through a few extra hoops to get IIS, SQL Server and other server software or MS Office installed, but in GNU/Linux distros you make that decision at the OS install. So part of the confusion is that there is more to choose from rather than buying the servers/apps as add-ons.
... what do they have left? Reselling Intel boxes and perhaps some consulting.
P R I N T E R S.
And scanners, digital cameras, PDAs, etc..
Dropping two proven workstation/server architectures in favor of an unproven processor from a consumer-grade processor manufacturer doesn't sound too wise to me, but HP has advantages in the PC market.
When I was out of work and desperate for money I took a job selling computers retail at a large office store. I was surprised at how some people wanted their PC, scanner, camera, PDA, printer and other accessories to have the same brand name on them. They really think it helps them all work together, and they may be right: one company to call if you're having trouble printing your digital photo through your PC and printer. That means a lot to a non-geek.
And I presume the PC add-ons have higher profit margins that the PCs themselves.
So we could poison this system by actually responding to every spam and providing erroneous payment details, mailing details, etc to the companies who want to hawk their products by spam. Obviously they would waste plenty of money processing and shipping these orders, only to find out that they are getting no profit for it.
When do I get mod points? That is a cool idea. The problem with spam is that it's so easy and cheap. Waste their time and money and maybe they'll find a more legitimate form of advertising. If way less than 1% respond with orders, if we can get just a % or two to respond with fake orders maybe they'd give in.
Wait, there's probably something illegal about this. How can we do this without breaking a law? I know some people won't care, but I do.
I asked about it and was at +5 Funny for a couple of days before getting a -1 overrated. There was at least another mention or two of his music in that article.
I was joking and didn't really want an answer, but I wonder if the editors knocked me down to avoid asking the question. Probably not, but I couldn't blame them if they did.
By the way, Amazon has some streaming samples of music including Shatner's Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds here, although the cilp doesn't include the parts of the song I recall best: "the girl with kaleidoscope eyes" and "Lucy in the sky with diamonds".
XP's notion of console mode (recovery CLI) is so crippled as to be of no real use. You're better off to boot to a real DOS diskette.
XP I don't know about, but in Win2k I feel safer with the recovery console if I want to write NTFS. Otherwise a Linux rescue CD or a DOS disk does the trick, boots faster and has network connectivity. DOS's FDISK/MBR fixes tons of WinNT/2k boot problems even if they're NTFS.
I was just pointing out that Win2k can boot to CLI--sort of--if you have to. But again DOS boot disks and Linux rescue disks are far better tools for fixing Windows than anything Windows comes with.
Amen to that. 800x600 is a perfectly respectable resolution, especially for a 15" monitor.
I have the same monitor you do and run it at 1024x768, too. My eyes aren't as old, but who needs tiny tiny fonts and icons?
I'm constantly annoyed by all the title bars, status bars, task bars and tool bars; they take up at least 20% of my screen area, and they generally do it in a way that reduces the height of the working view when it seems more natural to me to work with a view that is taller than wide.
Great idea! It will be the new supercomputer model: deploy networked Athlons in consumer appliances (water heaters, toasters, ovens, pools, hot tubs, HVAC) and cluster the neighborhood and sell processer time! Welcome to Anchor Point community, renderfarm for LOTR III!
Yes -- I have a couple PIII-600 'Katami' CPUs here and they are worth ~$150 each used on eBay (too slow for PriceWatch).
The slot 1 PIII's are keeping a very high value relative to other chips in the same speed range. Apparently a lot of people are like me and have a slot 1 motherboard that can go up to 800/850 MHz. My mb has a PII 333, and I want to put a 600 or 800 in it, but the stupid things are running $100 and more! I finally gave up and bought an Athlon mb/cpu combo. I still check every now and then but the slot 1's are still high.
I know there are converter cards, but many of the flip chips are 133MHz FSB and my board maxes at 100MHz, plus some of the flip chip archs won't work on my board (Asus P3BF I think.)
I have yet to be burned on eBay. eBay rocks for older equipment.
I fondly recall the days of spending an hour tweaking the computer to get that extra 2k of ram available for programs.
Oh yeah, the good old days. Damn I was good at that. I was better than Memmaker and QEMM because I knew about "yo-yo" TSRs and such: some TSR's loaded small and then got bigger at runtime while some loaded large but got smaller at runtime, so if you determined which was which and loaded them in the correct order you could fit more into himem than the automatic products.
QEMM could try to make TSR's run above 1024k (and I couldn't), but that didn't usually work for me.
You can use the Windows 2000 CD to boot into the "recovery console" which is a CLI on top of the Win2k kernel. You have to log in as administrator, but then you can start various services, access the drives and use doslike commands and have some extra tools like fixmbr and fixboot. It takes forever to boot it up, though, because it loads all the drivers it thinks anyone might need, like all scsi drivers and such.
It doesn't compare well to Linux or DOS boot disks, but the capability is there. I don't think NT has this, but I bet XP does.
Michael's a salesman, pure and simple. He speaks with passion and he makes you love him and his company...
Please excuse my cynicism and pessimism, but that's what startup CEOs do. They have to get excitement going or they never get the venture capital and/or people to work at reduced rates in return for stock options. I've worked for two startup companies in the past two years. One went out of business and shorted all the employees out of their last paychecks, and the other, a co-lo facility, closed or sold off all of its locations outside the founding city. Both companies had very charismatic CEOs and very loyal and enthusiastic employees.
Of course at these types of companies "everyone's a salesperson" so I went to some Chamber of Commerce meetings to network and sell. Sadly eveyone else there is also trying to network and sell, too. All sellers and no buyers, but a lot of startup companies with excited employees with big dreams and stock options.
The CEO's sales pitch is just that: a sales pitch. The product and market (and in some cases the government) ultimately determine which for-profit companies succeed and which fail.
Duh, of course it's a troll. Oh well, I'll make my point anyway because it relates to many Slashdot discussions about Linux in business and/or competition w/MS Windows.
There are different distributions for different reasons. Debian is very political, Lindows looks like it's out for easy money, Knoppix is from a guy who scratched an itch, etc.
The distributions that are running on money and hoping for sales revenue are the ones on thin ice but are also potentially greatly rewarding to the Open Source/Free Software community. Example: Red Hat's Cygwin. The distributions made for personal reasons or political causes will be around as long as the reason or cause is around.
I do hate that swirl. And the name "Debian" is just stupid to me. But other than that this distro keeps me happy.
I'm afraid Xandros might be the first to fall next year. I'm completely uninformed, but Xandros is trying to make money and is not well known AFAIK. Too bad, because from what I hear this is exactly what a lot of newbies would want: some of the proprietary media add-ins included.
E.g. a farmer could learn himself the latest new techniques for increasing the amount of crops...
As soon as I read that I had a vision of farmers trying quite unconventional techniques for effect more than for production and a blog with lots of stories about crop modding. Time to search for that backyard tesla coil that guy made...
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Because the viral GPL would require any money dispensed by the machine to be able to be copied and distributed to others for only the cost of the media. Or at least that's probably what Microsoft told them.
imagine a beowulf cluster of yourself!
Eeeewwwwwwwwwwwww!
The next chips out of Intel IA2 (or whatever) will be largely based on the Alpha chip. . .
Do you have any links to back that up? That would be the coolest thing in the world, but from what I've read recently HP is burying Alpha and PA-RISC in favor of Intel's Itanium, and that Intel has some of the technology from Alpha but apparently can't just take off with a new line of Alphas by themselves.
And the posts that add missed items the summary posts, you insensitive clod!
why can't schools do this?
I can't believe no one's given you the K-12Linux link yet. It is based on The Linux Terminal Server Project and is customized for school use.
???
I'm already using Debian. Why would I want to install it again? It works fine!
That's the beauty of open source - you can reinvent the wheel as many times as you want. Yo leave it up to the end use to pick the wheel that rolls the best.
That's not the way it should be. Everyone should get together, discuss the issue, decide on what's best and do it.
Cute Senator: But that's the problem, not everyone agrees.
The should be made to agree by someone!
[Cue Imperial March music]
This leaves you with a bare-bones install between 90 - 150 mB, depending on the RH version.
I'll have to try that again. I tried to do do a minimal install a month ago for a work project but still wound up with a 450 megabyte system! I tried RedHat because it seems to be the company favored Linux, but after that bloated install I used Zipslack instead and added a couple of packages and removed a few more.
By the way, the project was to turn obsolete PCs into tn3270 terminals. I wanted it to basically be an embedded device so that it booted straight into the app and didn't allow logins, just like a real 3270 only slower startup. I got my first prototype working on a P166 using Zipslack and c3270 (a curses-based tn3270 client) from the x3270 project when the project was killed by a clueless VP when the tech-savvy people approved the idea and were excited about it. Pooh. I could've had a half-a-million-dollar savings on my resume.
In short, I don't understand why the existing installer gets so much flak. I'll admit dselect stinks for too many reasons to list here, and I find tasksel to be over-generalized. Therefore, I recommend that people search for packages they want, and install them with apt-get after the installation procedure.
Agreed. When I installed Debian dselect drove me nuts for quite a while until I finally read up on apt-get. Dselect gave me as much depencency hell as RPM did; RedHat 6.2 advised not to try to install X after the the system was installed! I tried it anyway and hated RedHat since. But apt-get is way better, and I've used Debian package search to find things like xxd (a hex dumper that Debian told me was part of the vim package) and glxgears & glxinfo.
apt-get dist-upgrade is just way too cool. Really. Potato (Debian 2.2r4) to Woody (Debian 3.0) with no problems. Wow. (Well, one problem: Gnotepad+ and some other package both fight over ownership of one html help file that I don't use.)
Disclaimer: my early days of GNU/Linux go back to 1994 and the then-current version of Slackware. I've always like the text-based installers better. I guess it depends on how much you want to know and control the system versus how pretty and/or "easy" you want it.
Another point that needs to be made is in comparing distro installers to commercial installers is the fact that there are more decisions to be made because there are more functions available to install from a free distribution than a commercial system. With Windows you have to jump through a few extra hoops to get IIS, SQL Server and other server software or MS Office installed, but in GNU/Linux distros you make that decision at the OS install. So part of the confusion is that there is more to choose from rather than buying the servers/apps as add-ons.
... what do they have left? Reselling Intel boxes and perhaps some consulting.
.
P R I N T E R S
And scanners, digital cameras, PDAs, etc..
Dropping two proven workstation/server architectures in favor of an unproven processor from a consumer-grade processor manufacturer doesn't sound too wise to me, but HP has advantages in the PC market.
When I was out of work and desperate for money I took a job selling computers retail at a large office store. I was surprised at how some people wanted their PC, scanner, camera, PDA, printer and other accessories to have the same brand name on them. They really think it helps them all work together, and they may be right: one company to call if you're having trouble printing your digital photo through your PC and printer. That means a lot to a non-geek.
And I presume the PC add-ons have higher profit margins that the PCs themselves.
So we could poison this system by actually responding to every spam and providing erroneous payment details, mailing details, etc to the companies who want to hawk their products by spam. Obviously they would waste plenty of money processing and shipping these orders, only to find out that they are getting no profit for it.
When do I get mod points? That is a cool idea. The problem with spam is that it's so easy and cheap. Waste their time and money and maybe they'll find a more legitimate form of advertising. If way less than 1% respond with orders, if we can get just a % or two to respond with fake orders maybe they'd give in.
Wait, there's probably something illegal about this. How can we do this without breaking a law? I know some people won't care, but I do.
I forgot to mention that he sung very recently on a Priceline.com commercial, so it was sort of a moot question, anyway.
His singing wasn't exactly good, but it wasn't as remarkable as his album.
I asked about it and was at +5 Funny for a couple of days before getting a -1 overrated. There was at least another mention or two of his music in that article.
I was joking and didn't really want an answer, but I wonder if the editors knocked me down to avoid asking the question. Probably not, but I couldn't blame them if they did.
By the way, Amazon has some streaming samples of music including Shatner's Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds here, although the cilp doesn't include the parts of the song I recall best: "the girl with kaleidoscope eyes" and "Lucy in the sky with diamonds".
XP's notion of console mode (recovery CLI) is so crippled as to be of no real use. You're better off to boot to a real DOS diskette.
/MBR fixes tons of WinNT/2k boot problems even if they're NTFS.
XP I don't know about, but in Win2k I feel safer with the recovery console if I want to write NTFS. Otherwise a Linux rescue CD or a DOS disk does the trick, boots faster and has network connectivity. DOS's FDISK
I was just pointing out that Win2k can boot to CLI--sort of--if you have to. But again DOS boot disks and Linux rescue disks are far better tools for fixing Windows than anything Windows comes with.
They asked him to install the new "firewall"...
That wasn't the problem...the problem was the testing procedure.
Amen to that. 800x600 is a perfectly respectable resolution, especially for a 15" monitor.
I have the same monitor you do and run it at 1024x768, too. My eyes aren't as old, but who needs tiny tiny fonts and icons?
I'm constantly annoyed by all the title bars, status bars, task bars and tool bars; they take up at least 20% of my screen area, and they generally do it in a way that reduces the height of the working view when it seems more natural to me to work with a view that is taller than wide.
</gripe>
Great idea! It will be the new supercomputer model: deploy networked Athlons in consumer appliances (water heaters, toasters, ovens, pools, hot tubs, HVAC) and cluster the neighborhood and sell processer time! Welcome to Anchor Point community, renderfarm for LOTR III!
Yes -- I have a couple PIII-600 'Katami' CPUs here and they are worth ~$150 each used on eBay (too slow for PriceWatch).
The slot 1 PIII's are keeping a very high value relative to other chips in the same speed range. Apparently a lot of people are like me and have a slot 1 motherboard that can go up to 800/850 MHz. My mb has a PII 333, and I want to put a 600 or 800 in it, but the stupid things are running $100 and more! I finally gave up and bought an Athlon mb/cpu combo. I still check every now and then but the slot 1's are still high.
I know there are converter cards, but many of the flip chips are 133MHz FSB and my board maxes at 100MHz, plus some of the flip chip archs won't work on my board (Asus P3BF I think.)
I have yet to be burned on eBay. eBay rocks for older equipment.
I fondly recall the days of spending an hour tweaking the computer to get that extra 2k of ram available for programs.
Oh yeah, the good old days. Damn I was good at that. I was better than Memmaker and QEMM because I knew about "yo-yo" TSRs and such: some TSR's loaded small and then got bigger at runtime while some loaded large but got smaller at runtime, so if you determined which was which and loaded them in the correct order you could fit more into himem than the automatic products.
QEMM could try to make TSR's run above 1024k (and I couldn't), but that didn't usually work for me.
You can use the Windows 2000 CD to boot into the "recovery console" which is a CLI on top of the Win2k kernel. You have to log in as administrator, but then you can start various services, access the drives and use doslike commands and have some extra tools like fixmbr and fixboot. It takes forever to boot it up, though, because it loads all the drivers it thinks anyone might need, like all scsi drivers and such.
It doesn't compare well to Linux or DOS boot disks, but the capability is there. I don't think NT has this, but I bet XP does.
Believe it or not, the Boeing 747 has about a 15:1 ratio.
Maybe, if it had no load and no fuel. If given a choice of a deadstick landing in a Mooney or 747 I'd take the Mooney any day.
How am I sure?
...
Michael's a salesman, pure and simple. He speaks with passion and he makes you love him and his company
Please excuse my cynicism and pessimism, but that's what startup CEOs do. They have to get excitement going or they never get the venture capital and/or people to work at reduced rates in return for stock options. I've worked for two startup companies in the past two years. One went out of business and shorted all the employees out of their last paychecks, and the other, a co-lo facility, closed or sold off all of its locations outside the founding city. Both companies had very charismatic CEOs and very loyal and enthusiastic employees.
Of course at these types of companies "everyone's a salesperson" so I went to some Chamber of Commerce meetings to network and sell. Sadly eveyone else there is also trying to network and sell, too. All sellers and no buyers, but a lot of startup companies with excited employees with big dreams and stock options.
The CEO's sales pitch is just that: a sales pitch. The product and market (and in some cases the government) ultimately determine which for-profit companies succeed and which fail.
Hmmm, a possible troll, but here goes:
Why don't they all merge?
Duh, of course it's a troll. Oh well, I'll make my point anyway because it relates to many Slashdot discussions about Linux in business and/or competition w/MS Windows.
There are different distributions for different reasons. Debian is very political, Lindows looks like it's out for easy money, Knoppix is from a guy who scratched an itch, etc.
The distributions that are running on money and hoping for sales revenue are the ones on thin ice but are also potentially greatly rewarding to the Open Source/Free Software community. Example: Red Hat's Cygwin. The distributions made for personal reasons or political causes will be around as long as the reason or cause is around.
The swirl logo has lost its hypnotic appeal...
I do hate that swirl. And the name "Debian" is just stupid to me. But other than that this distro keeps me happy.
I'm afraid Xandros might be the first to fall next year. I'm completely uninformed, but Xandros is trying to make money and is not well known AFAIK. Too bad, because from what I hear this is exactly what a lot of newbies would want: some of the proprietary media add-ins included.
E.g. a farmer could learn himself the latest new techniques for increasing the amount of crops...
As soon as I read that I had a vision of farmers trying quite unconventional techniques for effect more than for production and a blog with lots of stories about crop modding. Time to search for that backyard tesla coil that guy made...