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University of Twente NOC Fire Arson
Lars writes "A 26-year old man from Hengelo has admitted to deliberately setting fire to the Network Operations Centre of University of Twente, last Wednesday. The fire gutted two wings of the building and devastated one of the fastest networks in Europe.
The arsonist is an employee of the University, which must come as quite a shock to those involved.
The University released a short statement to the press.
It mentions that the total damage caused is roughly 40-50 million euros (about the same in dollars) and that the guy was caught last Friday, when he tried to set fire to one of the faculty buildings."
Wouldn't going on strike have been a little more effective than burning down the office?
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
The Stake, obviously.
I guess those Euro's don't go for that sort of thing though, do they?
Never confuse volume with power.
Now that's a dedicated luddite.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
Any idea why he did it? The article is slashdotted already.
This has been a test. Had this been a real emergency, we would have fled in terror and you would not have been informed.
The arsonist is an employee of the University, which must come as quite a shock to those involved. The University released a short statement to the press
English text here.
They should have let him keep his red Swingline Stapler...
A few non - european services were affected as well - namely ALL security updates for Debain (the primary mirror anyhow) were offline for a while.
Brings up a good point in disaster recovery: How many organizations have machines at various places that they can't recover from a total loss?
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" -- George Orwell
the need for strict tracking of stapler ownership in the modern office environment.
The article basically says: he dun-it and he's an employee. What it doesn't say is why he dun-it, though.
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
We've now seen nearly a dozen articles on this fire that destroyed several computers at the University of Twente.
It's very upsetting to me, especially considering that the fire was set deliberately.
However, far worse tragedies occur every day around the world. But in these instances, people die. Yes, people. Drive-by shootings, car accidents, birthing troubles, drug overdoses, and many other unfortunate circumstances happen hundreds of times all around the world every day.
I realize this is a tech site, but I'm sure that 1 in 5 disasters involves computers being burnt up or crushed. Why not just post these then?
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I mean, he's 26. He now owes the university and several companies 40-50 Million Euros (dollars). Its just arson so thats what 3-5 years. To me, thats way to easy to get off. Even if he makes $50k after taxes, it will take him 800 years to pay off 40million. Thats just messed up.
So, this guy gets out when he is 30yrs old, can find a job and move on with his life looking for more buildings to burn down. isnt there something wrong with that?
Ralph: "That's where I saw the Leprechaun. He tells me to burn things!"
Leprachaun: "You've done grand, laddie! Now ya know what ya have ta do! Burn the house down! Burn 'em all!"
They obviously didn't have enough firewalls.
(Sorry... couldnt resist)
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Information wants to be set on fire.
Press release Twente Police 25 November 2002
Confession concerning fire UT
The 26-year-old man from Hengelo detained on Friday afternoon has confessed that he also started a fire on the grounds of the University of Twente on Wednesday morning 20 November 2002. In this fire two wings of one of the buildings on the grounds were completely destroyed and damages caused of between 40 and 50 million euro.
The 26-year old was detained Friday afternoon after witnesses had observed the start of a small fire in another building. On the directions of these witnesses the 26-year old could then be detained.
On the how and why of the arson on the 20th no further announcements can be made at this moment. The suspect will be undergo further questioning on this.
We can announce that the 26-year old is an employee of the University of Twente. The University staff has been informed of his confession by now.
He will be brought before the magistrate in Almelo today.
That's not what they mean by Firewire.
Stupid idiots.... the whole infrastructure was burnt down, and we're trying to rebuild it as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, www.utwente.nl is used as a central point of information towards students and employees. Which n00b put the link on slashdot, _AGAIN_? Thanks for ruining our just revived webserver, thanks for nothing!
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Can anybody make more sense of this more than the original?
First a massive fire, now a thorough slashdotting. What's next, Mecha-Striesand?
According to the mIRC home page, their message boards and mailing lists were destroyed in the fire as well. It appears to have affected a large number of people.
Politiepersbericht Bekentenis in brand UT (Universiteit Twente) Enschede: De vrijdagmiddag jl. aangehouden 26 jr. man uit Hengelo, heeft zondagavond bekend dat hij ook de brand heeft gesticht op het terrein van de Universiteit Twente op woensdagmorgen 20 november jl. Bij deze brand werden twee vleugels van een van de gebouwen op het terrein geheel verwoest en werd een schade veroorzaakt van tussen de 40 en 50 miljoen euro. De 26 jr. was vrijdagmiddag aangehouden nadat door getuigen was gezien dat bij een ander gebouw op het Universiteitsterrein een beginnend brandje was ontstaan. Op aanwijzingen van deze getuigen kon de 26 jr. daarna worden aangehouden. Over het hoe en waarom van de brandstichting op de 20e november jl., kunnen op dit moment geen nadere mededelingen worden gedaan. De verdachte zal hierover nog nader worden gehoord. Wel kan worden medegedeeld dat de 26 jr. een medewerker is van de Universiteit Twente. Het personeel op de Universiteit Twente is ondertussen op de hoogte gebracht van zijn bekentenis. Vandaag wordt hij voorgeleid bij de rechter-commissaris in Almelo. I ran this thru googles translator as French, German and Italian, and they all stayed the same! Is this the new Universal Language© that I've been hearing about?! :)
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
I back this. Why the hell do we have 3 stories on some server room going up in smoke when more interesting stores like Nanotech Self Healing Cameleon Colour Changing US Tanks never gets to see the light of day? Hello?
It turns out it wasn't arson, but merely a misunderstanding.
They asked him to install the new "firewall"...
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Here's a summary of the statement in English (from Dutch):
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A 26-year old man from Hengelo admitted sunday evening that he started a fire on wednesday 20th of November that incinerated 2 wings of the University of Twente building.
He was arrested after witnesses saw him at another small fire on campus.
Police can make no statements about why and how he did it. However the police confirms that he works at the University.
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"Son, in a sporting event, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get" - Homer J. Simpson
oops this was another NOC.. =)
but will you really post any story about problems in NOC? 3 posts a week about burned NOC, that could be great! hell yeah!
Arsonists are usually psychotic and often admit to anything. I know of one guy who confessed to setting fires that were set when he was 3 years old!
This is probaly true -- but he may not be the guy without cooroborating evidence.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
an o to a O.
:)
o - arse before jail
O - arse after jail.
Alas gallinaceas de urbe bovis volo
76 eeh? that is not a very impressive number! try 8000? But I still agree, 1 article would have sufficed. Thanks to the mentioning of the webserver, it crashed after many slashdotters had a look :(
A kidney is worth how much?
This wouldn't be the same information you are referring to, is it?
Would you hear about his one man strike? Did you hear about is one man fire? Guess how many people would have the same set of answers as you. What he did (IMO) is wrong, but you can't really argue that he won't (eventually) be heard and by a large audience. It's very rare that people this wrong in their actions turn out to be right about anything, but if you think his objective was to be heard (and it's clear you do) then his risk/reward balance may be off, but you hear him (or will when slashdot posts the 19th update to this story).
They do say that > 70% of malicious attacks on computer networks come from insiders. And that network security starts with physical security.
I guess that this has been a painful learning experience for the SAs.
Probably because it's allready been done.
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BSA (and I'm not talking about the boy scouts, you smart alecs out there) hired a professional arsonist and paid/coerced this poor guy to confess.
After all, those servers held the largest warez collection in Europe all connected to the fattest pipes you can find.
I'm sure if you submit it again, they'll keep posting it, though.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
This just in. Case of direct arson ruled out; this morning investigators discovered that the suspect merely linked a local site to /. the morning of the 25th.
gruntled?
Nanotech paint was up a week or two ago... But, the link was to a darpa page rather than a BBC.
The worst part was he burnt down the warehouse with toilet paper and lightbulbs. The insurance company refused to pay, because the school didn't perform even a basic background check which would have given away the man's background.
The worst part was taking exams in rooms to dark to power the solar-powered calculators. Some professors resorted to carrying lightbulbs from room to room.
nicht spraeken Deutsch.
sorry.
We're like rats, in some experiment! -- George Costanza
In talking with a Disaster Recovery, quote EXPERT unquote, he said a little fact that quite surprised me: 62% of all technology disasters are premeditated by disgruntled employees, honest administrative mistakes, or lack of change control procedures. We build our moats around the castle, but we never think to install smoke alarms in the kitchen!?!?
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"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
... here! on Slashdot.
I fail to see how opening your TV can help, but just be sure to discharge the caps...or perhaps we'll see another story about a NOC in flames :)
A random Debian server is more important than your petty concerns. Get over it.
Heh heh thanks guys for pointing this out. =) Drat.
You guy's are really considerate: fire destroys network, they do all their best to get it somewhat back to work and then you slashdot it back into oblivion.
Though the arsonist takes a huge part of the blame, i think the university also made some faults. Why put your servers in a building that burns that well? If you have so much expensive equipment, you should consider everything, including arson! A few days ago they were happy that no asbestos was released because it was removed shortly ago. But isn't asbestos a fire retarder??
Anyhow this fire is a huge problem for the university. When i was studying there 2 years ago, their biggest trouble was the financing of new buildings. They were supposed to build a new combined building for Physics, Electronics and Chemistry. When the drawings were almost finished they had to scap the whole thing. Right now several buildings are way beyond their lifetime and could technically be shut down to regulations any moment. Most buildings are already extended with temporary containers (Portacabins). And now this..... If they were a company this would certainly be their bankruptcy.
karma police: arrest this man, he talks in maths; he buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio. [radiohead]
IF the new server survives this, its probably fireproof too.
All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
Of course, what the Dutch equivalent is, I couldn't tell you.
They took away my Swingline Stapler and gave me a Boston. Lumberg will pay, all of them shall burn.
Let's show our sympathies regarding the loss of one of the fastest computer networks in Europe by Slashdotting their web servers!
I guess there are more people at the UT reading slashdot, than there are in the US military :))
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It'd be nice if I knew how to read german...ah well, I'm sure someone will get pissed and burn down their news office.
I'm not surprised to hear that this was arsony. A friend of mine, who studies there, told me that there had been two other fires in one of the rooms in the burnt-down building that same week, one of which was in a dust bin. That does sound like arson to me.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Looks like the Scotty/Tkinetd pages are still up - I guess that they are hosted in another building, thank goodness.
Burn, burn, burn...
the Ring of Fire!
Imagine a beowulf cluster.. up in flames
duck
Sorry..
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
Instead he is going to prison and meet Bubba; the A$$ Plow.
Federal "pound me in the ass" prison!
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
for the actual costs of the hardware/premises destroyed in the fire, but I didn't see listed in the article if they're holding him liable for the value of data destroyed, or for the costs of rebuilding said data. As far as I'm concerned, the destruction of the dbases here is no different from a cracker maliciously destroying whatever servers he can (adding of course the fact of the hardware/premises). Conversely, could this not be considered a cybercrime of sorts? Thusly being punishable under some of the new laws against such?
Don't park drunk, accidents cause people.
My company is so paranoid about security on the main frame, all the local IT people are locked down to the point they almost can't work. Instead of worrying about logical security inside the system, I should send them the link to this story. This is what an employee would do if s/he were seriously pissed, not hack into the system. This sort of thing would be a mission critical disaster to any company. It really made me re-think my offsite backup storage scheme!
it is news, and I wouldn't want to censor the news, either.
A better idea would be to mirror the site whenever a non-commercial page came up. Perhaps permission could be asked for this (which in this case I'm sure would have been quickly granted).
D
Today is being he pre-gummed towards the master - superintendant within Almelo.
Watch out for the Superintendant within Almelo, you will be pre-gummed before meeting him!
It's not the US. There may be a slight difference in brutality levels.
Let's develop a manual, GUI router software.
The PC has 2 or more network cards, and one program on the system. The only interface is a mouse.
The delinquent sees as many windows on the screen as there are NICs in the computer. They manually route packets by identifying a packet header in hex in the window, and dragging that packet from the window it's coming from to the window it should be routed to.
They would be checked by an automatic router in operation in the background, and would be given further punishment if they route packets incorrectly.
Their sentence term would simply be to route as many packets as were lost due to their actions.
-Adam
I tried to submit this a while ago, but the link kept disappearing, strangely blending into the white background of the page.
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Was the arsonist an agent of Microsoft? I can hear Chief Billy saying "We must deal the free software community a mighty blow. Burn them!"
Arseonint looks like this
Oh, wait. Wrong topic.
They should not have taken his red stapler...
A: The owl says three. The owl has never steered me wrong. Sometimes the owl tells me to burn things. Things like people.
GET YOUR WEAPONS READY! --DR.LIGHT
security.debian.org was hosted via that NOC. Maybe the arsonist wanted to h4x0r some debian boxes? Seems like a good way to ensure you had the capacity, well, if you're an idiot anyway. But it seems that they should have a mirror structure so this doesnt happen.
Geography should be taught in US schools. And here's a typical example.
FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!
what to do if Microsoft and/or Bill Gates steps in offers $50 million to build the "Microsoft Computing Center at Twente"
Twente badly needs the money, MS would get some prestige and good press.
Would/Should Twente take the money in such a case?
So far, I've found gruntled.com, gruntled.net, farfromgruntled.com and gruntled.co.uk.
As a law abiding citizen, who is terribly upset by the wrongs done by violent members of our society, I tend to have little sympathy for those who have been convicted of crimes and are serving time in prison.
However, rape in prison is no joke! According to this link (which has links to other, less "biased" organizations)
Approximately 21% of inmates have forced sexual contact.
Approximately 2/3 of prisoners are there for committing non-violent crimes.
I admit that there's a temptation to think pleasant thoughts about a violent criminal finding out what it feels like to be a victim in prison, but while prison should not be fun (it is punishment, after all) prisoners should not be victimized while jailers turn a blind eye. That is uncivilized and cruel.
Anomaly
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But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
A friend of mine pointed to some very cool photo's of the fire, made by a professional photographer and Computer Science-student at the university of twente. They are located here. Thought you might want to know :)
Silly arsonist. No play with matches!
Here's a summary of the statement in English (from Dutch)
:-)
Dutch, huh? Well, that explains why I couldn't get google to translate the page from German to English
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No mention of flanders, which accounts for 6 million dutch speakers? And flemish people can actually pronounce the 'ch' and 'g' without making it sound like they are choking!
Don't you read /. ? We've already seen that story, stilly.
Now they will go out and buy P4 3 ghz servers...when their building burns down again, they can turn around and sue Intel!!
"Some fight for law. Some fight for justice. What will you fight for? One day, you will see."
Usually, the moderators "get it" much better than the repliers. But this mod total is just schizoid:
Offtopic=1, Troll=2, Interesting=1, Informative=6
While I'm glad that "Interesting and Informative" have outweighted "Offtopic and Troll", I think the modders are missing the point.
I interpreted "Thanks for ruining our just revived webserver, thanks for nothing!" as sarcastic humor, not as a literal slam of the Slashdot effect. So if I had mod points (see my journal for obligatory newbie whining), I'd have given it +1, Funny.
Note to self: remember to enclose all sarcasm in <SARCASM>proper HTML notation</SARCASM>.
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
He was just trying to overclock his Athelon.
I'm not saying that we should sue slashdot. I'm not saying that Slashdot shouldn't post articles. I'm saying that getting Slashdot to invest in some method to curb the effects of the slashdot effect on smaller servers by complaining in slashdot discussions isn't going to get a blamed thing done, and saying it using a common conversational tool called exaggeration. For those who don't know, exaggeration is a way of emphasising a point by inflating it to ridiculous proportions.
Still trying for quality, Klerck?
somehow, someway this was the direct result of the gun culture of America... that and MTV for showing Beavis and Butthead. I also blame all non-Jew, non-Muslim, whites, males and anyone who enjoys freedom or liberty. Let us show them our open minds by starting a nice riot! That'll teach em.
mmmmmmm... eggs benedict. Arrrggghghajhghghgh (-- thats an extended drool sound)
How soon until we read about the RIAA's defense...
The RIAA believes in making sure artists get paid. The NOC in question was responsible for thousands of copyright violations so in accordance with our legal rights, we torched it.
Their 'campus'webserver (http://www.snt.utwente.nl/) has some information on their network.
They installed a 55Mb uplink to a company nearby the night after the fire, but this was through a masquerading server. Thursday night they have started connecting all buildings to SURFnet (so they would have official IP-addresses and stuff), still through the 55Mb link. The campus was last on Friday. They are repeatingly asking the students not to download large files.
They expect to get a full 1Gb uplink tomorrow afternoon.
I don't know what they did with the Debian servers, though.
Every user can moderate every comment on kuro5hin - bad comments get what they deserve by the end of the day.
"Assuming that he does in fact, go to jail and serves time, when does the deeds of one's past no longer impact who you may be in the future?"
The short answer to that is never. You are who you make yourself, whether it is good or bad. Look at the major decisions you have made and try to figure out why you made them. It is probably experiences you have had in the past, but for some reason I dont think that is what you meant. What I think you meant was when will people forget about his burning down his work place. That will be with him for a while, if you rob me even if you end up getting punished I am not going to trust you. The punishment is not any proff that you are going to change. It just shows that you have done your time, and are now ready to start trying to reporve yourself to me.
"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." -- Mark Twain
University of Twente NOC Fire was Arson.
And before anyone replies that the headline isn't supposed to do anything, such as make sense, allow me to rephrase: The headline would be much more useful if it made sense.
...Sometimes known as hyperbole.
If you have so much expensive equipment, you should consider everything, including arson!
No, there's really no way to prevent arson.
You can take reasonable steps to prevent small fires from breaking out, or even expensive measures like halon to protect large server rooms from large fires. But you just cannot stop a dedicated arsonist, especially if he has access to the room you're trying to protect. Any anti-fire system can easily be defeated or bypassed by someone who's had time to plan ahead... which an arsonist usually does.
And if you protect your servers from the actual fire, what good is it if the building collapses down around them? Once the floor goes, it doesn't matter how well you protected that room.
Thus the importance of backups and disaster recovery plans. There's no way to stopping a dedicated arsonist, but you can back up your data easily enough.
-- If god wanted me to have a sig, he'd have given me a sense of humor.
Hmm, I wonder if he'll actually be brought to trial or will get judged to be a nutter and sent to a mental hospital.
When I was at primary school in Colchester(UK) there was a spate of school fires in my area which the police believed to be arson. They got extremely excited when they realised that the headmaster(principal) of my school had visited each of the schools just before the fires. Obviously they questioned him quite closely but then couldn't find any evidence against him, so they started secret surveillance on his movements.
A couple of days into the surveillance, my school got burnt down completely and what the police saw was another teacher torching the school. Apparently this guy had flipped and he was trying to assasinate the headmaster by burning down any buildings that he visited. Not really the most efficient way of taking someone out, but that's madness for you.
I'm pretty sure he was judged to be clinically insane and sent away pretty much permanently....
"Free software as in beer, copy protection as in racket" - Telsa Gwynne
ok. so why is this story on /.?
Give him a break... he could of just been testing the firewall when things went arry.
In America we are imprisoned by our fear of them.
This "gruntled = happy" extrapolation is specious, but if it really starts to become widespread, then "gruntled" really will mean "happy". Just like the word "irregardless" is on the brink of official acceptance (god help us).
I think both of those sound very, very stupid-- but what are you gonna do?
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. -- Carl Sagan
Since two wings burned down, they're gonna have to rename it "The Univeristy of Eighteen."
Ba-dum-bum! Psh!
Thanks! I'll be here all week! Don't forget to tip your waitresses! Try the veal!
The non-violent offender, the wrongly-convicted innocent, or someone who has broken an unjust law.
You sir, are a poopie-face.
This should be a capital crime of the highest order! Burn him at the stake! (Is it sad that I react more strongly to technology destruction than life-destruction....)
I haven't posted in so long, my sig is out of date.
But we don't go heavy on them to make more money, either.
There is no way any human can know of all the cities around the world. What is so significant about Twente that an American should be charged with knowledge of its existence? Could you proivde us stupid Yanks with a list perhaps of other cities that are wholly insignificant yet that we should know about in order to please Europeans like yourself who happen to have an over-inflated sense of self worth?
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
that would cause something similar to /. effect.
Guys taking a piss next to a little man in a green suit. Can't help but notice how far the dude is standing back from the urinal. Sneeks a glance and gasps.
The little man looks up and the dude, realizing he's caught begins to apologize, saying he's never seen one that big before.
The little man says, "That's because I'm a Leprachaun. And if you let me stick it up your arse, I'll grant ye a wish."
The dude thinks about it and agrees. They go into a stall and the little man is riding the dude hard. All of a sudden, he asks the dude how old he is.
"28", the dude said.
The little man starts laughing.
Dude asks, "What's so funny?"
"Oh, just that you're 28 and you still believe in Leprachauns."
So if I remember correctly, utwente shells were the thing to have if you were in the warez scene. Not to mention the 'Top Sites' that were located there. So what now? Can the RIAA/MPAA call this fire a minor battle win?
Please use them wisely, we dont want another fire to break out...or do we?
/me where's my stapler?
Live for the present, learn from the past, and dream of the future!
I wouldn't say "should have thought of even arson" any more than I would say, "Should have considered a random celestial encounter disrupting a planets gravity well temporarily thus changing the trajectory of a sling shot meteor towards a comet resulting in a large part breaking from the impact, shooting towards earth and coliding with the space station, with bits of it breaking off and taking out an orbiting comm sat that falls through the roof into the server room."
The real lesson here is to consider on a more general level the main environmental (natural or otherwise) surroundings that can compound to attack both your system and those systems and procedures used to prevent, diminish or eliminate the problem. Arson falls primarilly under "FIRE" and also under "PERSONNEL ACCESS AUTHORIZATION CONTROL." Had the person used not an incendiary method but had used say, an explosion like TNT... well then we would move from fire to pressure, structural stability and the like while keeping the personnel access controls.
In the unlikely event of a building collapse in a place that employed at one time, at least a safety engineer (notice I mean ENGINEER not just a degreed idiot or someone filling that spot for awhile) then the threat of the system collapsing downward or having fallout from above collapsing on top of it, would in fact have been prioritized based on risk and impact. From this it would be decided where to place the servers in relation to other parts of the building as well as any reinforcements to be applied. From here you then look at policy and from that you get procedure. Think about fire code. Haven't you ever been to a place that seemed to be more of a hazard than another part of the building as far as the actual fire goes? Perhaps those other areas less at risk for actual fire are in fact more dangerous as far as containment, escape, etc are concerned. After all you could "fire proof" a building with layers upon secured layers of fire proof material, doors that restrict air flow and passages that control the flow itself inside the house... but if a fire DOES break out then you are dead simply because you cannot make it out in time through your maze. The old balance of security. (and no that is not referring to security vs liberty)
Information wants to be fiery.:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Some people will go to any lengths to improve the popularity of their distribution. But please, burning servers?
but did he have to go so far to show that Debian's security update site isn't colocated?
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Writers imply. Readers infer.
His debt to society includes the 40-50 million Euros for the building, plus the interference with everybody's lives who used the building. Thank God nobody was killed. Just going to jail, without restitution for the damage he caused, doesn't fix it. If jail helps him confront his mental problems and deal with them, then maybe he'd be stable enough for someone to trust him with a job, but he won't have paid his debt to society until he has actually paid his debt to society.
Bill Stewart
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yes sir *cries*
Need I say more?
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
I just spoke to someone who schools there - they've gotten a bunch of new hardware from Cisco and HP over the weekend and they've supposed to be running nearly twice as fast as before. All of the old junk's been replaced with new SOTA-ware.
Everything seems to have been a grant too! Who needs insurance??!
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