Usual/. I guess. It's kind of funny though. Complete dupe story (from almost 2 weeks ago), topped with the usual discussion of the McDonald's coffee caper. So is this recursive duping, or just plain funny?
And they go on and on for pages. Is there no way to "pin" conversations on/., like in a forum? So we don't have to make the same arguments every time someone refers to some Zeitgeist thing?
There are almost 100 comments, and no one noticed the dupe yet? I guess it's been a few weeks since the original story, but there's nothing new here, folks.
"keep this discussion decent": It was your post which attacked someone else for using a legitimate work that started this entire pointless thread. It's too bad you can't take criticism, even from a number of posters who believe you are wrong-headed on this subject. Telling someone their logic is flawed is a part of this kind of forum. However, you make ad hominem attacks in your first post, with no good reason (niggardly is NOT an inflammatory word): "if you had some sense of self-respect", "you are a troll", "you are just sad", "stupid troll", and "you are lower than a troll. it makes me wish for a (-5 ignorant idiot) moderation". I guess I can (ironically) add hypocrisy to your list of deficiencies.
"Furthermore, I highly object to you calling me a racist because I state that in an average group of black people the word 'niggardly' would likely be misunderstood. The same holds true for an average group of caucasians." Unfortunately, you didn't include the caucasians in the grandparent post, which would make it appear to the reader that you were, in fact, only talking about the "black people". All the same, I don't think you should consider that the "average" person doesn't understand a particular word just because you have a problem with it.
"but the root word is probably related": in EITHER case, it has nothing to do with Nigger. You have no sticks for beating. I see your reading comprehension skills are lacking too.
Just for fun, and just from your last post: Caucasians should be capitalized. misinterprete. A group is singular. orginal. capitalisation. allright. descent.
I could go on I suppose but it's losing its appeal and presumably boring anyone who manages to read this far. Please let the thread die.
Check the etymology. Niggard and Niggle have nothing to do with Nigger. By your argument, we can't use Niggle either, because it might "sound" like a racist epithet? I also find it funny that someone (you) who has a problem with the way others use language, use it so badly. Are capitals difficult? Do you know how to use it's/its?
You also have a problem with logic. You say the thought of its racial sound didn't cross your mind, yet that's what concerns you: are you assuming that all "average" black people don't know the difference between Nigger and Niggardly? Who's the racist here?
niggard - 1366, nygard, the suffix suggests Fr. origin (cf. dastard), but the root word is probably related to O.N. hnoggr "stingy," from P.Gmc. *khnauwjaz; related to O.E. hneaw "stingy, niggardly," which did not survive in M.E.
nigger - 1786, earlier neger (1568, Scot. and northern England dialect), from Fr. negre, from Sp. negro (see Negro). From the earliest usage it was "the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks." But as black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in Eng.-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without insult. More sympathetic writers late 18c. and early 19c. seem to have used black (n.) and, after the American Civil War, colored person. Also applied by Eng. settlers to dark-skinned native peoples in India, Australia, Polynesia. The reclamation of the word as a neutral or positive term in black culture, often with a suggestion of "soul" or "style," is attested first in the Amer. South, later (1968) in the Northern, urban-based Black Power movement. Variant niggah attested from 1925, usually in situations where blacks use the word; without the -h it is attested from 1969. Slang phrase nigger in the woodpile attested by 1800; "A mode of accounting for the disappearance of fuel; an unsolved mystery" [R.H. Thornton, "American Glossary," 1912]. Nigger heaven, "the top gallery in a (segregated) theater" first attested 1878 in ref. to Troy, N.Y.
" 'You're a fool nigger, and the worst day's work Pa ever did was to buy you,' said Scarlett slowly.... There, she thought, I've said 'nigger' and Mother wouldn't like that at all." [Margaret Mitchell, "Gone With the Wind," 1936]
niggle - 1599, possibly from a Scand. source (cf. Norw. dial. nigla "be busy with trifles"), perhaps related to source of niggard.
Should we also tell anyone with the name Nygard that they need to change it, or at least shouldn't utter it?
Next time you're wrong, just admit it, or shut up.
He even goes so far as to mention that Index Server will search your website: but fails to mention that it does full text searching on your entire file system.
Unfortunately his site (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/) seems to be sufficiently disorganized that I have trouble finding out what his real points are, or whether he's addressed all of the issues: for example, I saw no mention of the Semantic Web if his concern is searchability on web documents.
As a side note, MS SQL is going more and more toward XML, as is the whole.NET framework. This results in richer (read: fatter) data but it does mean that you can store whatever metadata you want along with it.
Well, especially when it's been slashdotted. Here's a google cache hit to part of his writings.
I agree that it doesn't look to be easy to search around, at least when all you have is an URL to go on (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/07/30/OnSearchTOC) and Google to find reachable material. I'm also not too sure about using dates as folder names but that's just a personal thing: I think Tim Berners Lee recommended it at one point in an article "Cool URI's don't Change". He does recommend using "Latest" or some such instead of the creation date in a URI, though, if "there is no reason for the persistence of the URI to outlast the magazine." It might make things easier to search for though, at least if you know when it was created: if the URIs aren't changing then you won't have tons of broken links.
Amazing that you have positive karma. From condescension to profanity... well, at least we're not offtopic, since there really is no topic in a dupe.
I'm quite aware of the existence of the word "tuple". However, it's not in common usage, and in fact has nothing to do with the number 3, unless you want to call it a 3-tuple. It's also defined as a "a data object containing two or
more components". Or "Toyohashi University Parallel Lisp Environment". Or "is a term from set theory which refers to a collection of one or more attributes." Or just a record in database theory. Nothing to do with 3.
Fuckwit indeed. I'm sorry that you seem unable to see obvious patterns.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former
- Einstein
Umm, that was the point: note the quotation marks in the original post. I was trying to connect "tripe", which I have eaten many times and which many view as odious, with the fact that the editors are clearly dealing with half a deck this morning. Their elevator doesn't go to the top floor... you get the point.
Also, "dupe" comes from "duplicate", and there's no L in it: we don't call it a duple. So duplicate->dupe, triplicate->tripe. Same pattern, you didactic, concescending troll.
From the article: "the TopTen Program featured 141 qualified and validated surveys representing 23 countries spanning all major DBMS, server and storage vendor products." So it just has to be a DataBase Management System, not necessarily Relational.
Did no one notice this one from the link in the article?
6,520,942 Reexam. C.N. 90/006,758, Ordered Date: Sept.
24, 2003, Cl. 604/290, Title: METHOD TO IMPROVE PERI-ANAL HYGIENE AFTER
A BOWEL MOVEMENT, Inventor: Edward L. Putman, Owner of Record:
Edward L. Putman, Vernon, CT, Attorney or Agent: Owner is
representing self, Ex. Gp.: 3761
"ITB: Security starts with the developer. What do you think that developers can do to harden their apps and how is Microsoft helping with tools?
BG: You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems."
My understanding of this snippet is: the perfection he's talking about is third-party developers writing APPS for Windows, not the OS itself. He's saying that people writing apps don't have to have the security aspect perfect to avoid security issues. He goes on to say that "It's a matter of giving people the tools, it's people not understanding the design of APIs where you get vulnerabilities". The OS does have to be near perfect but what MS is trying to do is make it so that it's EASIER for developers and users to make sure that it's secure.
The NGSCB initiative is what they're developing to answer some of these issues: it remains to be seen if it's vapourware or not (and requires hardware changes too IIRC) but it should make it easier to conform to the set of security requirements if you at least KNOW about them when you're writing an app.
As I said in the grandparent post, "It's more suited to a workgroup of people, but they work for individuals too."
I use Openwiki and have modified so that it will do versioned attachments and I can do a full text search on files that have been attached using Index Server (it's got built in full text searching for anything in the Wiki). Unmodified, it's not the best tool for most things (e.g., just your usual mail app is better for indexing mail, etc.) but I can put whatever I want in there and search it. I like the fact that I can add whatever functionality I want to the app. Backups of data are also very easy: just restore a database. And even though I've got one that's just for myself (in addition to one I use at work as a dev community), it would be very easy to share that data (and have others be able to read and modify the data). Categorization and linking of ideas is also made easy with WikiWords.
The point is, you can store whatever you want in it: you're not constrained by format or file type. It's not perfect but I like the possibilities it gives me.
WRT "Could you maybe give an example or two of how wikis make your life easier?", I don't think of it as a "lifestyle" tool, just a cool way of organizing data and ideas (as relates to the original story: "How Do You Organize Your Data?"). Are you doing a paper or something?
I love wikis (see also Twiki, a very flexible one, and Openwiki if you prefer M$ technologies): you can organize anything you want, with anyone you want. It's more suited to a workgroup of people, but they work for individuals too. They're totally flexible, extensible, and templatable.
"Cluster of PCs or workstations with a private network to connect them. Initially the name was used for do-it-yourself collections of PCs mostly connected by Ethernet and running Linux to have a cheap alternative for "integrated" parallel machines. Presently, the definition is wider including high-speed switched networks, fast RISC-based processors and complete vendor-preconfigured rack-mounted systems with either Linux or Windows as an operating system.
So how do you get "part of" a cluster? Isn't it like being a little pregnant? I mean, I've never seen a Beowulf Cluster (though I have to say I feel like I should know all about them having read Slashdot for a while), if it's got some workstations connected by a private network working in parallel, then it's a cluster, isn't it?
FUD... of course it won't "Halt The Internet". Do you work for the National Enquirer making up headlines?
It is slowing the Windows Update Site somewhat but I've downloaded some optional fixes today just to see if it's still up: worked fine. Either they've got a pipe the size of Niagara Falls (and some Superdome Servers) or this virus/worm, despite being kind of cool, really isn't very effective.
And even though I know it's redundant it bears repeating: PATCH YOUR F@#KING MACHINES if you haven't. And I'm tired of Dial-Up being an excuse: get Broadband if you want to be on the net.
Hmm... Doesn't the Windows Update site use an installable program through it's browser to check for updates? How's that patent war coming along?
It's an article about skew, not a search How-To
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What a surprise, the slashdot crowd looking with disdain at something that got posted to MSN. There seems to be about 15 comments already about what an idiot the author is.
While the point that more refined searches give you better results is true, that's not what the author's talking about. He's trying to tell you that Google is an aggregation of zeitgeist and how many links things have (link interdependence, which is Google's strength, also adds its own bias), and not necessarily their relevance to the 'real' world. An understanding of how Google might skew results is useful.
Here's his site: read the July 16th article. "You can make things less than equal by doing more refined searches, but that doesn't mean the skew isn't important."
"western / eastern generally parses to caucasian / asian". No, it doesn't. The point was that the US, much of Europe, and Canada are far more "racially diverse", and certainly culturally diverse, than much of Asia, but let's call it "ethnically diverse" so no one gets the wrong idea. Here's a pretty thorough collection of diversity links. You want diversity? Try Toronto: only 27% are British or French, 16% Canadian, 23% European, 20% Asian, plus African/Caribbean etc. And those were the 1996 stats: there are now more immigrants from all over the world than people born in Canada in Toronto.
You want stats about ethnic diversity? Compare China (.118), Japan(.01), and Korea (.004) to Canada (.75) and the USA (.50) (a higher number indicates greater diversity: it's the chance of two random people being of different ethnicity).
The point is that Canada and the US are very diverse because they're centres of ongoing immigration, even though they deal with it differently (mosaic VS melting pot: see the previous link on multiculturalism).
Slashdot Mirror
Usual /. I guess. It's kind of funny though. Complete dupe story (from almost 2 weeks ago), topped with the usual discussion of the McDonald's coffee caper. So is this recursive duping, or just plain funny?
/., like in a forum? So we don't have to make the same arguments every time someone refers to some Zeitgeist thing?
Here are some of the selections rehashing the same tired arguments (I only took one post per story):
McDonald's Thread
McDonald's Thread
McDonald's Thread
McDonald's Thread
McDonald's Thread
McDonald's Thread
And they go on and on for pages. Is there no way to "pin" conversations on
No, he means Fetchez.
There are almost 100 comments, and no one noticed the dupe yet? I guess it's been a few weeks since the original story, but there's nothing new here, folks.
"keep this discussion decent": It was your post which attacked someone else for using a legitimate work that started this entire pointless thread. It's too bad you can't take criticism, even from a number of posters who believe you are wrong-headed on this subject. Telling someone their logic is flawed is a part of this kind of forum. However, you make ad hominem attacks in your first post, with no good reason (niggardly is NOT an inflammatory word): "if you had some sense of self-respect", "you are a troll", "you are just sad", "stupid troll", and "you are lower than a troll. it makes me wish for a (-5 ignorant idiot) moderation". I guess I can (ironically) add hypocrisy to your list of deficiencies.
"Furthermore, I highly object to you calling me a racist because I state that in an average group of black people the word 'niggardly' would likely be misunderstood. The same holds true for an average group of caucasians." Unfortunately, you didn't include the caucasians in the grandparent post, which would make it appear to the reader that you were, in fact, only talking about the "black people". All the same, I don't think you should consider that the "average" person doesn't understand a particular word just because you have a problem with it.
"but the root word is probably related": in EITHER case, it has nothing to do with Nigger. You have no sticks for beating. I see your reading comprehension skills are lacking too.
Just for fun, and just from your last post: Caucasians should be capitalized. misinterprete. A group is singular. orginal. capitalisation. allright. descent.
I could go on I suppose but it's losing its appeal and presumably boring anyone who manages to read this far. Please let the thread die.
Check the etymology. Niggard and Niggle have nothing to do with Nigger. By your argument, we can't use Niggle either, because it might "sound" like a racist epithet? I also find it funny that someone (you) who has a problem with the way others use language, use it so badly. Are capitals difficult? Do you know how to use it's/its?
... There, she thought, I've said 'nigger' and Mother wouldn't like that at all." [Margaret Mitchell, "Gone With the Wind," 1936]
You also have a problem with logic. You say the thought of its racial sound didn't cross your mind, yet that's what concerns you: are you assuming that all "average" black people don't know the difference between Nigger and Niggardly? Who's the racist here?
From an etymological dictionary:
niggard - 1366, nygard, the suffix suggests Fr. origin (cf. dastard), but the root word is probably related to O.N. hnoggr "stingy," from P.Gmc. *khnauwjaz; related to O.E. hneaw "stingy, niggardly," which did not survive in M.E.
nigger - 1786, earlier neger (1568, Scot. and northern England dialect), from Fr. negre, from Sp. negro (see Negro). From the earliest usage it was "the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks." But as black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in Eng.-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without insult. More sympathetic writers late 18c. and early 19c. seem to have used black (n.) and, after the American Civil War, colored person. Also applied by Eng. settlers to dark-skinned native peoples in India, Australia, Polynesia. The reclamation of the word as a neutral or positive term in black culture, often with a suggestion of "soul" or "style," is attested first in the Amer. South, later (1968) in the Northern, urban-based Black Power movement. Variant niggah attested from 1925, usually in situations where blacks use the word; without the -h it is attested from 1969. Slang phrase nigger in the woodpile attested by 1800; "A mode of accounting for the disappearance of fuel; an unsolved mystery" [R.H. Thornton, "American Glossary," 1912]. Nigger heaven, "the top gallery in a (segregated) theater" first attested 1878 in ref. to Troy, N.Y. " 'You're a fool nigger, and the worst day's work Pa ever did was to buy you,' said Scarlett slowly.
niggle - 1599, possibly from a Scand. source (cf. Norw. dial. nigla "be busy with trifles"), perhaps related to source of niggard.
Should we also tell anyone with the name Nygard that they need to change it, or at least shouldn't utter it?
Next time you're wrong, just admit it, or shut up.
He even goes so far as to mention that Index Server will search your website: but fails to mention that it does full text searching on your entire file system.
.NET framework. This results in richer (read: fatter) data but it does mean that you can store whatever metadata you want along with it.
Unfortunately his site (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/) seems to be sufficiently disorganized that I have trouble finding out what his real points are, or whether he's addressed all of the issues: for example, I saw no mention of the Semantic Web if his concern is searchability on web documents.
As a side note, MS SQL is going more and more toward XML, as is the whole
Well, especially when it's been slashdotted. Here's a google cache hit to part of his writings.
0 /OnSearchTOC) and Google to find reachable material. I'm also not too sure about using dates as folder names but that's just a personal thing: I think Tim Berners Lee recommended it at one point in an article "Cool URI's don't Change". He does recommend using "Latest" or some such instead of the creation date in a URI, though, if "there is no reason for the persistence of the URI to outlast the magazine." It might make things easier to search for though, at least if you know when it was created: if the URIs aren't changing then you won't have tons of broken links.
I agree that it doesn't look to be easy to search around, at least when all you have is an URL to go on (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/07/3
but there are some e-commerce enterprises making money: Yahoo and EBay, for example.
Maybe the creation of new services will level off once the traditional music distribution system is eliminated or rationalized.
Amazing that you have positive karma. From condescension to profanity... well, at least we're not offtopic, since there really is no topic in a dupe.
I'm quite aware of the existence of the word "tuple". However, it's not in common usage, and in fact has nothing to do with the number 3, unless you want to call it a 3-tuple. It's also defined as a "a data object containing two or more components". Or "Toyohashi University Parallel Lisp Environment". Or "is a term from set theory which refers to a collection of one or more attributes." Or just a record in database theory. Nothing to do with 3.
Fuckwit indeed. I'm sorry that you seem unable to see obvious patterns.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Einstein
Umm, that was the point: note the quotation marks in the original post. I was trying to connect "tripe", which I have eaten many times and which many view as odious, with the fact that the editors are clearly dealing with half a deck this morning. Their elevator doesn't go to the top floor... you get the point.
Also, "dupe" comes from "duplicate", and there's no L in it: we don't call it a duple. So duplicate->dupe, triplicate->tripe. Same pattern, you didactic, concescending troll.
Well let's see if we can "tripe": try submitting the story again... and again.
Even funnier is that there's no such thing as OTLP: it's OnLine Transaction Processing. On-Transaction Line Processing???
From the article: "the TopTen Program featured 141 qualified and validated surveys representing 23 countries spanning all major DBMS, server and storage vendor products." So it just has to be a DataBase Management System, not necessarily Relational.
Even better is the Google Glossary to solve your acronym hell.
Top500.org
The NGSCB initiative is what they're developing to answer some of these issues: it remains to be seen if it's vapourware or not (and requires hardware changes too IIRC) but it should make it easier to conform to the set of security requirements if you at least KNOW about them when you're writing an app.
As I said in the grandparent post, "It's more suited to a workgroup of people, but they work for individuals too."
I use Openwiki and have modified so that it will do versioned attachments and I can do a full text search on files that have been attached using Index Server (it's got built in full text searching for anything in the Wiki). Unmodified, it's not the best tool for most things (e.g., just your usual mail app is better for indexing mail, etc.) but I can put whatever I want in there and search it. I like the fact that I can add whatever functionality I want to the app. Backups of data are also very easy: just restore a database. And even though I've got one that's just for myself (in addition to one I use at work as a dev community), it would be very easy to share that data (and have others be able to read and modify the data). Categorization and linking of ideas is also made easy with WikiWords.
The point is, you can store whatever you want in it: you're not constrained by format or file type. It's not perfect but I like the possibilities it gives me.
WRT "Could you maybe give an example or two of how wikis make your life easier?", I don't think of it as a "lifestyle" tool, just a cool way of organizing data and ideas (as relates to the original story: "How Do You Organize Your Data?"). Are you doing a paper or something?
I love wikis (see also Twiki, a very flexible one, and Openwiki if you prefer M$ technologies): you can organize anything you want, with anyone you want. It's more suited to a workgroup of people, but they work for individuals too. They're totally flexible, extensible, and templatable.
I'm sure people here will come up with ideas like knowledge trees and weird topological concepts, but gimme a wiki any day.
I saw a demonstration using a beowulf cluster (well, part of one)
From a glossary, I get:
"Cluster of PCs or workstations with a private network to connect them. Initially the name was used for do-it-yourself collections of PCs mostly connected by Ethernet and running Linux to have a cheap alternative for "integrated" parallel machines. Presently, the definition is wider including high-speed switched networks, fast RISC-based processors and complete vendor-preconfigured rack-mounted systems with either Linux or Windows as an operating system.
So how do you get "part of" a cluster? Isn't it like being a little pregnant? I mean, I've never seen a Beowulf Cluster (though I have to say I feel like I should know all about them having read Slashdot for a while), if it's got some workstations connected by a private network working in parallel, then it's a cluster, isn't it?
FUD... of course it won't "Halt The Internet". Do you work for the National Enquirer making up headlines?
It is slowing the Windows Update Site somewhat but I've downloaded some optional fixes today just to see if it's still up: worked fine. Either they've got a pipe the size of Niagara Falls (and some Superdome Servers) or this virus/worm, despite being kind of cool, really isn't very effective.
And even though I know it's redundant it bears repeating: PATCH YOUR F@#KING MACHINES if you haven't. And I'm tired of Dial-Up being an excuse: get Broadband if you want to be on the net.
Hmm... Doesn't the Windows Update site use an installable program through it's browser to check for updates? How's that patent war coming along?
While the point that more refined searches give you better results is true, that's not what the author's talking about. He's trying to tell you that Google is an aggregation of zeitgeist and how many links things have (link interdependence, which is Google's strength, also adds its own bias), and not necessarily their relevance to the 'real' world. An understanding of how Google might skew results is useful.
Here's his site: read the July 16th article. "You can make things less than equal by doing more refined searches, but that doesn't mean the skew isn't important."
Here's a very interesting paper on multiculturalism with an excellent bibliography should you want to look into it further.
You want stats about ethnic diversity? Compare China (.118), Japan(.01), and Korea (.004) to Canada (.75) and the USA (.50) (a higher number indicates greater diversity: it's the chance of two random people being of different ethnicity).
The point is that Canada and the US are very diverse because they're centres of ongoing immigration, even though they deal with it differently (mosaic VS melting pot: see the previous link on multiculturalism).
WRT to addiction side of it though, here's an interesting study of gaming addiction.
Maybe they should have a good read of the article about why games are good for you. Video games are good for your kids! (Oh, they're good for adults too....)