Barely 3 years since it was retroactively and unilaterally removed from existing systems.
Excuse me? I had a YDL on install on my PS3 and it wasn't retroactive or Unilateral. you had to agree to do it, and in fact if you upgrade an OtherOS equipped PS3 to modern firmware it will warn you what will happen and asks you to confirm twice, not just once as it would normally.
Your choice, you can keep OtherOS and lose PSN or vice versa.
Sony really should have lost that lawsuit over removing a feature from the old models.
No, they shouldn't because the actual choice is the users. You can keep Linux, but then because you're not running a recent firmware they don't "trust" your PS3 so you lose PSN access. That's it. You have a choice, Linux on the PS3 (which wasn't all that special anyway) or PSN. The update that removes Linux capability warns you in no uncertain terms what it does, and requests confirmation, twice, before it does it.
because over time, the company releases systems with fewer and fewer features.
Yes, cost reduction...since if people aren't willing to buy your console at 299 one way to get it down in price is to remove the discret S-video jacks, and then perhaps the serial port for the link cable no one has, and then perhaps remove the parallel port which only game cheating devices (some of which could be used to play "backups") connected.
With the PS3, the biggest complaint about it at launch was the price. And now the biggest complaint about the new models is the lack of backwards compatibility/SACD/built in card reader/4 USB ports. All of which went bye bye to get the cost down.
A lot? Gee the only ones I know of that don't work are a few Japanese PS1 games in Japanese PS2s, and the PS1 X-files game which does not work properly in either a PS2 or PS3 (the game obvious breaks the TRC that works on a release PS1 but fails in the "perfect tech-doc PS1's in the PS2 and the emulated version of same PS3)
Yes, Sony does shut down older PS2 game servers which is the ONLY way to see that DNAS error since DNAS is a PS2 thing....if they're not all that popular and after a few years. SCEA can't help it if you were so busy playing same-screen SNES multiplayer on an SDTV to not get your PS2 till after a few servers got shut down.
There ARE PS2 games with online mutliplayer still functional.
Back when I first started using Linux in 2002, both SUSE and Red Hat (and also Mandrake) had a reputation for ease of use. They were the distros for the masses.
Blockbuster game? 6 hours? First you have to #define blockbuster and define how you play. Maybe games are short to you if you only rush through the main story and ignore everything else.
And you know what, it might be a good thing if Elder scroll games were shorter, but how can you tell, everyone plays them differently. Some people might prefer shorter main questlines that don't drag on and on and more interesting sidquests.
You mean crappy little dizzy games on a cassette when yanks were playing multi floppy rpg's that cost 45 bucks?
You got cheap crap for your speccys because after spending thousands on your computers instead of buying NES or SNES machines you had no money for games. And then you became cheap pirates. Why do you think the big c64 pirate groups were Europe based?
What modern games are only 6 hours. Are you playing NES games in an emulator? Or are you playing tiny little Indie games..because games like skyrim or xcom or even something like Lego LOTR have lots of gameplay
I'm 45, so yes I've used the 2600 controls, and the Intellivsion, and the colecovision and the NES and so forth.
I consider the Dual Shock the best compromise. symmetrical, not too big, flat (not rounded top) buttons.
I'm under 5' 6" and yes the Xbox controllers are uncomfortable for me. as were the Saturn and the Dreamcast controllers (with the 360 pad resembles (and probably why Dreamcast fans also seem to like the 360 pad)
Wouldn't surprise me much if they didn't have a few prototypes sitting around running RHEL or Fedora.
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It is on PSN though, download it to your PS3/PSP/Vita.
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People sometimes get confused on this but, ALL PS3's have PSone compatibility. That is entirely software.
And it always makes me grumble that some of the people who complained about the high price on early backwards compatible PS3's...are sometimes the same people complaining about the removal of such...which was done to appease those grousing about the price. "People don't need BD, they still have PS2's..that will make the PS3 cheaper"
[quote]But a part of this that I find highly interesting that there's no mention of physical media. [/quote]
Sony's PDF and TFA mentions a Blu-Ray Drive, which I expected. It also discusses Gaikai for the purpose of game demos, which makes sense. For example the Demo of the HD remake of Beyond Good & Evil is the same size of the full game. Why make downloading demos time-consuming...just stream the demo, then they can download the game.
It also mentions being able to access the web browser from WITHIN a game, which will be a freaking godsend that I wished I had years ago.
Bah! Only oversized, ham-fisted goatteed johnny-come-lately-to-gaming-because-of-halo dudebro-gamers prefer the oversized Xbox controller or it's layout. Us real gamers who have been playing since the PSone prefer the Holy Dual Shock.
All friendly taunting aside, I have seen that larger guys do seem to prefer the Xbox controller, personally I can't stand it.
Console-only means no keyboard and no mouse which means not a real MMORPG.
Since when does a game being an MMORPG absolutely require a keyboard and mouse. All a game requires to be an MMORPG are two things: being massively multiplayer online and being an RPG.
I've played 4 console games that fit that criteria, none of which "required" a keyboard or mouse. Although I did and do play them with a keyboard attached.
Everquest Online Adventures: Fantasy MMORPG set 500 years before EQ1...no this game is NOT the Diablo clone, that is Champions of Norrath. EQOA is a true MMORPG, the servers only shut down just last year. The world is absolutely seamless unless you direct teleport between coaches or zones (Or die and get returned to your last bind point), you will NEVER see a load screen. I walked/swam from Fayspires to Qeynos, no load screen. The game did support USB keyboard for game control and chat, but also had an on-screen keyboard and quick chat commands.
Final Fantasy XI: Fantasy cross-platform MMORPG, PS2/PS3, PC and Xbox players all play on the same servers. The game supports all keyboard + Mouse + controller control schemes on PS2/PS3 and PC at least. Though nobody, not even the PC players used mice, and even they bought dualshocks for movement. Also have an onscreen keyboard available and if I remember some quick chat functionality.
FreeRealms: Family friendly MMORPG with lots of varying gameplay. Any game that uses text input on the PS3 automatically supports any supported bluetooth/USB keyboard device, including USB keyboards, the official chatpad(and any other bluetooth keyboard). There's also quick chat and on-screen keyboards. The game also has built in voice chat, but only for groups.
DC Universe Online: Superhero MMORPG, though the game is cross-platform, PC and PS3 owners play on different servers as far as I can tell. As with FreeRealms has the same support for keyboards, quick-chat and on-screen keyboard. It also has built in voice chat with Local, group and guild voice chat channels.
In other words, it's not 1999 anymore and consoles like the old PS2 had USB and consoles like the PS3 have USB and Bluetooth for a reason.
Joysticks are harder to control in such small, quick movements with only a thumb.
For aiming, yes..it can be difficult...one does get better at it with practice though. It sometimes depends on the game. Timesplitters is one console FPS that deserved mouse support and didn't have it, because of the fast paced gameplay....the original entries in the SOCOM series...because of their slow paced realism...not so much, The newer SOCOM's have been COD'd a bit.
But for movement give me an analog stick or even a joypad over WASD anyday.
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Actually pressure sensitive buttons were on the DualShock 2 for the PS2...
Barely 3 years since it was retroactively and unilaterally removed from existing systems.
Excuse me? I had a YDL on install on my PS3 and it wasn't retroactive or Unilateral. you had to agree to do it, and in fact if you upgrade an OtherOS equipped PS3 to modern firmware it will warn you what will happen and asks you to confirm twice, not just once as it would normally.
Your choice, you can keep OtherOS and lose PSN or vice versa.
Sony really should have lost that lawsuit over removing a feature from the old models.
No, they shouldn't because the actual choice is the users. You can keep Linux, but then because you're not running a recent firmware they don't "trust" your PS3 so you lose PSN access. That's it. You have a choice, Linux on the PS3 (which wasn't all that special anyway) or PSN. The update that removes Linux capability warns you in no uncertain terms what it does, and requests confirmation, twice, before it does it.
because over time, the company releases systems with fewer and fewer features.
Yes, cost reduction...since if people aren't willing to buy your console at 299 one way to get it down in price is to remove the discret S-video jacks, and then perhaps the serial port for the link cable no one has, and then perhaps remove the parallel port which only game cheating devices (some of which could be used to play "backups") connected.
With the PS3, the biggest complaint about it at launch was the price. And now the biggest complaint about the new models is the lack of backwards compatibility/SACD/built in card reader/4 USB ports. All of which went bye bye to get the cost down.
A lot? Gee the only ones I know of that don't work are a few Japanese PS1 games in Japanese PS2s, and the PS1 X-files game which does not work properly in either a PS2 or PS3 (the game obvious breaks the TRC that works on a release PS1 but fails in the "perfect tech-doc PS1's in the PS2 and the emulated version of same PS3)
Hello it's 2013, 2006 want's it's PS2 issue back.
Yes, Sony does shut down older PS2 game servers which is the ONLY way to see that DNAS error since DNAS is a PS2 thing....if they're not all that popular and after a few years. SCEA can't help it if you were so busy playing same-screen SNES multiplayer on an SDTV to not get your PS2 till after a few servers got shut down.
There ARE PS2 games with online mutliplayer still functional.
Back when I first started using Linux in 2002, both SUSE and Red Hat (and also Mandrake) had a reputation for ease of use. They were the distros for the masses.
Both Fedora and OpenSUSE installs with relative ease these days.
These days? Pre-Ubuntu it was Red Hat that was the distro for the masses that all the Gentoo/Slackware/Debian neckbeards derided.
Blockbuster game? 6 hours? First you have to #define blockbuster and define how you play. Maybe games are short to you if you only rush through the main story and ignore everything else.
And you know what, it might be a good thing if Elder scroll games were shorter, but how can you tell, everyone plays them differently. Some people might prefer shorter main questlines that don't drag on and on and more interesting sidquests.
You mean crappy little dizzy games on a cassette when yanks were playing multi floppy rpg's that cost 45 bucks?
You got cheap crap for your speccys because after spending thousands on your computers instead of buying NES or SNES machines you had no money for games. And then you became cheap pirates. Why do you think the big c64 pirate groups were Europe based?
What modern games are only 6 hours. Are you playing NES games in an emulator? Or are you playing tiny little Indie games..because games like skyrim or xcom or even something like Lego LOTR have lots of gameplay
No, height joke.
I'm 45, so yes I've used the 2600 controls, and the Intellivsion, and the colecovision and the NES and so forth.
I consider the Dual Shock the best compromise. symmetrical, not too big, flat (not rounded top) buttons.
I'm under 5' 6" and yes the Xbox controllers are uncomfortable for me. as were the Saturn and the Dreamcast controllers (with the 360 pad resembles (and probably why Dreamcast fans also seem to like the 360 pad)
Ah you were probably using Enlightenment as well, that's the default DE which is sluggish on the PS3 in YDL, Gnome 2 is actually better.
Actually the first home gaming system I owned was a 2600..which is one reason I made the joke.
Wouldn't surprise me much if they didn't have a few prototypes sitting around running RHEL or Fedora.
It is on PSN though, download it to your PS3/PSP/Vita.
People sometimes get confused on this but, ALL PS3's have PSone compatibility. That is entirely software.
And it always makes me grumble that some of the people who complained about the high price on early backwards compatible PS3's...are sometimes the same people complaining about the removal of such...which was done to appease those grousing about the price. "People don't need BD, they still have PS2's..that will make the PS3 cheaper"
[quote]But a part of this that I find highly interesting that there's no mention of physical media. [/quote]
Sony's PDF and TFA mentions a Blu-Ray Drive, which I expected. It also discusses Gaikai for the purpose of game demos, which makes sense. For example the Demo of the HD remake of Beyond Good & Evil is the same size of the full game. Why make downloading demos time-consuming...just stream the demo, then they can download the game.
It also mentions being able to access the web browser from WITHIN a game, which will be a freaking godsend that I wished I had years ago.
What, You didn't buy a CECHA, CECHB, or CECHE model, early on? Sucks to be you. Your own fault for jumping on the PS3 late in the "bandwagon"
Now don't take me too seriously here:
Bah! Only oversized, ham-fisted goatteed johnny-come-lately-to-gaming-because-of-halo dudebro-gamers prefer the oversized Xbox controller or it's layout. Us real gamers who have been playing since the PSone prefer the Holy Dual Shock.
All friendly taunting aside, I have seen that larger guys do seem to prefer the Xbox controller, personally I can't stand it.
Browser? Slow? On the PS2 yes, but the PS3, I think not. You were using ppietro's Firefox builds, fir YDL, right?
sounds more like Dust514, which is connected to EVE, to me.
From what I'm reading it's going to be more akin to Dust514 on the PS3, which is already out and part of the EVE Online universe.
Console-only means no keyboard and no mouse which means not a real MMORPG.
Since when does a game being an MMORPG absolutely require a keyboard and mouse. All a game requires to be an MMORPG are two things: being massively multiplayer online and being an RPG.
I've played 4 console games that fit that criteria, none of which "required" a keyboard or mouse. Although I did and do play them with a keyboard attached.
Everquest Online Adventures: Fantasy MMORPG set 500 years before EQ1...no this game is NOT the Diablo clone, that is Champions of Norrath. EQOA is a true MMORPG, the servers only shut down just last year. The world is absolutely seamless unless you direct teleport between coaches or zones (Or die and get returned to your last bind point), you will NEVER see a load screen. I walked/swam from Fayspires to Qeynos, no load screen. The game did support USB keyboard for game control and chat, but also had an on-screen keyboard and quick chat commands.
Final Fantasy XI: Fantasy cross-platform MMORPG, PS2/PS3, PC and Xbox players all play on the same servers. The game supports all keyboard + Mouse + controller control schemes on PS2/PS3 and PC at least. Though nobody, not even the PC players used mice, and even they bought dualshocks for movement. Also have an onscreen keyboard available and if I remember some quick chat functionality.
FreeRealms: Family friendly MMORPG with lots of varying gameplay. Any game that uses text input on the PS3 automatically supports any supported bluetooth/USB keyboard device, including USB keyboards, the official chatpad(and any other bluetooth keyboard). There's also quick chat and on-screen keyboards. The game also has built in voice chat, but only for groups.
DC Universe Online: Superhero MMORPG, though the game is cross-platform, PC and PS3 owners play on different servers as far as I can tell. As with FreeRealms has the same support for keyboards, quick-chat and on-screen keyboard. It also has built in voice chat with Local, group and guild voice chat channels.
In other words, it's not 1999 anymore and consoles like the old PS2 had USB and consoles like the PS3 have USB and Bluetooth for a reason.
What, you didn't like Fallout 3 or New Vegas? Heck even the console Diablo-clone "Brotherhood of Steel" wasn't a bad game.
Joysticks are harder to control in such small, quick movements with only a thumb.
For aiming, yes..it can be difficult...one does get better at it with practice though. It sometimes depends on the game. Timesplitters is one console FPS that deserved mouse support and didn't have it, because of the fast paced gameplay....the original entries in the SOCOM series...because of their slow paced realism...not so much, The newer SOCOM's have been COD'd a bit.
But for movement give me an analog stick or even a joypad over WASD anyday.