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Sony Reveals More PS4 and Dual Shock 4 Details
Yesterday, Sony gave a presentation explaining a bit about the new PS4 hardware, the development environment (Windows 7 based IDE), and the changes to the Dual Shock controller. From the article: "The system is also set up to run graphics and computational code synchronously, without suspending one to run the other. Norden says that Sony has worked to carefully balance the two processors to provide maximum graphics power of 1.843 teraFLOPS at an 800Mhz clock speed while still leaving enough room for computational tasks. The GPU will also be able to run arbitrary code, allowing developers to run hundreds or thousands of parallelized tasks with full access to the system's 8GB of unified memory. ... The DualShock 4 controller that's standard on the PS4 eliminates one feature that was seldom used on the PS3 —the analog face buttons..."
The trackpad will support two touch points, the rumble motors can be controlled more finely, and the analog sticks were tweaked for "reduced dead zone and better feeling tension that grips your thumbs."
Too bad it's made by sony though.
What's with the only link being to the wikipedia page for the Dual Shock controller?
Come on.
Get back to me the system is sub $200.
So are they going to ditch the PS3 support with this one? i still have my PS2 sitting in my living room for that reason.
Please post the article link other nobody can RTFA.
"From the article" - what article?
Yeah, I guess you can call them seldom used... I never even knew the PS3 had controllers with those buttons. My PS3 controllers never had them.
"Never give up, for that is just the time and place when the tide will change." -Harriet Beecher Stowe ^_^
All that massive power so we can play CoD 27, Crysis 20, wth ultra photorrealistic graphics, 200-people multiplayer, but the same old tired gameplay.
Amazing!!
I think this is the article in question.
Keep your eyes to the sky.
the analog face buttons? I gave up pretty quick on them after using them to play Mad Maestro on the PS2. Didn't even realize they were still in the PS3. I do wish Sony would stop adding pointless features to their game pads. It's not so much that the features bug me as I'd rather they spend time/money somewhere else. Plus it'd be nice if the gamepads weren't $60 bucks. On the plus side the PS4's gamepad looks cheap to produce.
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I don't think, we will be duped again.
The reason people impersonate you is because everyone thinks you're a moron. The hosts file is not intended to be used as you suggest. But it's pretty damn funny, though.
If PlayStation 4 is moving to a PC architecture, then what's the point of buying a PlayStation 4 over a home theater PC running a less-closed operating system such as Windows 8 or GNU/Linux?
Fortunately, for people who want a Linux box and a game console in one package, Ouya comes out this June. I have no need for Sony.
What? You don't have a 14MB hosts file with ~1million entries in it? Next you'll probably tell me that your computer doesn't start thrashing and take 5 minutes for a DNS lookup!
No hardware compatibility, no emulation == no buy.
And I agree with you: I *am* going to hold my nose because of that linux thing. That was uncalled for. "Here! Have this console with this feature! Got it? Ok, yeah, that feature? We're taking that out."
I just can't see giving Sony any more money; as they chose to make it so that only used, older units will play the titles in my game library, then so be it: Used, older units is what I will buy when the ones I have go nipples north. I've already dedicated more shelves (and system inputs) to game machines than most people bother to; no more.
There's a silver lining to this, too... the used game market for the previous and earlier generation machines is inexpensive and rich with titles. Couldn't find and play all the good ones if I played one a day for the rest of my life. There are a few titles that have basically infinite re-playability, too, because they're about interacting with other people. So.... pfbbbt.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
PCs don't get to run Sony exclusive titles. People like them, a lot.
Nor do PlayStations run PC-exclusive titles. People like them, a lot. There are a lot of games that Valve greenlighted that Sony probably wouldn't for whatever reason.
The internals might be PC architecture, but Sony is going to make damned sure there's lots preventing you from running these games on a PC.
Please elaborate on these "lots". How is Sony going to prevent licensed developers from taking their own games, which are already ported to very PC-like hardware, and making PC ports available through Steam on the PC? And what is Sony going to do to attract PS4 ports of games originally developed for the PC?
There are a few titles that have basically infinite re-playability, too, because they're about interacting with other people.
If by "interacting with other people" you mean "online play", Sony is known for closing these titles' matchmaking servers with DNAS error -103 ("This software title is not in service") to make you buy the sequel. If by "interacting with other people" you mean something else, please elaborate.
I'm mildly interested in PS4.
/>rant/ /. pimping pageviews for gain, or just not paying attention in the subQ? What, repeating yourself is going to improve the story?
I'm more interested in why this shows up in my feed twice. Like you think I didn't hear you the first time, you have to repeat yourself?
Or is
Go ahead, tell me me it's my feed reader. Happening on three different readers on both Windows and Android. The problem is not on my end.
We can sit through the lame griefers, but mirroring posts is within the power to control. Do.
/rant/
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Consoles are totally dead, as far as I am concerned.
reduced dead zone
I have a PC driver for my ps3 controller where you can alter quite a few different settings on it, analog stick dead zone is one of them.
I often find myself turning that towards the higher end, too low and it causes more frustration than it's worth.
1.8 teraflops, 800MHz clock speed... so they're aiming for a GPU with roughly the same power of something nVidia released in 2010?
Not to mention only 8GB RAM shared between GPU & CPU, I'm sure that'll last us for years to come!
Why does this crap has to be integrated into everything? TV, phones, tablets and now game consoles.
Can somebody tell me when this "social media" hype is over? it's like having a really long migraine attack, and everytime I see or read something about Facebook, Google+ etc. it makes me throw up a little in my mouth.
You know like the PS3 used to?
PS4... requires always on internet connection, monthly subscription fee, and still charge $60 for new games, and will, eventually, require reactivation (via small fee) to play used games...
Seems like SOny is catching up to MS.
what's stopping Sony from just finding some guy on the internet who wrote a Playstation emulator, and paying him a couple grand for the rights to use it?
PlayStation 1 is already well emulated, on the PSP no less. Let me know when PlayStation 2 or 3 is emulated in a way compatible with over 75% of games. The Xbox emulator on the Xbox 360 never got much above 50%.
I don't have a PS3.
Then why do you have PS3 games that you would use with backward compatibility? Or would you be buying used games?
no driver updates. No tweaking settings. Better overall performance at a lower price because you don't have to test/optimize for every graphics card.
:P
Two things I noticed. 1) it's built on Directx. You'd think they'd worry about building their tech off Microsoft. 2) GDDR5. Not really a big deal. My $90 GT240 has 256 of GDDR5. The only reason you can't buy one with GDDR5 now is the cards perform a bit too well, and nvidia didn't want them biting into the $150 dollar range.
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Why not? Because I don't have to, because a new ps4 is not a necessity. Since there is no backwards compatibility I have no compelling reason to choose this Sony product over any other game console. It will be easy for me to follow my conscience and choose to purchase from a company with higher standards of conduct. I don't trust Sony, trust is earned, they have proved themselves untrustworthy. Sometimes it's hard to make a consumer decision but this couldn't be simpler.
"better ways of doing things eventually just replace the inferior things" - Linus Torvalds 09-08-07
The DualShock 4 controller that's standard on the PS4 eliminates one feature that was seldom used on the PS3 —the analog face buttons..."
So how will PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid 2 be playable? Canceling a shot by easing off the fire button is crucial.
Twinstiq, game news
I can run Linux on both, but I can't run software designed for either on Linux.
I have no problem running Modplug Tracker and FamiTracker, software designed for Windows, on a laptop running Xubuntu 12.04 LTS. In fact, I'm typing this very comment into a Win32 program running inside Linux. Sure, PlayStation 4 will incorporate measures to make binary compatibility more difficult. However:
Software compatability is a lot more involved than the underlying hardware.
I know it's more complicated than just a recompile. That's why I said "very PC-like hardware" and "PC ports". If there's about as much difference between PS4 OS and Windows or Linux as there is between Linux and Windows, it's just that much easier for a developer to port a PS4 game to a PC operating system. So why make a game exclusive to PlayStation 4 when you can reach paying PC customers too?
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Maybe because you want to play PS4 games?
If a video game is released for PS4 and PC, people who want to play it on a PC can buy the PC version. Or what sort of anticompetitive contracts do you think Sony Computer Entertainment will use to discourage PS4/PC multiplatform releases?
Apple moved to a PC architecture and people still purchase their products instead of a home theater PC
Mac mini is a home theater PC. It runs XBMC (the home theater part) and it allows the user to write and install software, including game mods that use a game's mod API (the personal computer part). Sony Computer Entertainment, on the other hand, has a track record of taking away personal computing features from its devices.
By the way, exactly how is running Windows 8 any less closed than running a Playstation?
True, Windows 8 and PlayStation 3 Game OS are both proprietary software. But Windows 8 desktop software can be self-signed, whereas software for a PlayStation family device must be signed by Sony Computer Entertainment.
You think they should be on PCs only?
The problem is that the console makers appear to have been fairly successful in promoting disregard among the public for games developed by student, hobbyist, and startup developers. If the consoles' official app stores are like the Netflix of video games, then what's the YouTube or Vimeo?
"Here! Have this console with this feature! Got it? Ok, yeah, that feature? We're taking that out."
Sony claimed that removing Linux from the older systems was for security, but the PS3 ended up getting hacked to hell anyway. Sony really should have lost that lawsuit over removing a feature from the old models.
With consoles, the best versions are generally the first or second versions, because over time, the company releases systems with fewer and fewer features.
"Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language." - Visual J++ Product Manager
When DVDs came out, I didn't bitch that they weren't backwards compatible with what I already had.
My first DVD player could play music CDs, MP3 CDs, and VCDs. My second DVD player could play music CDs, MP3 CDs, and CDs with MPEG-4 ASP video and MP3 audio in an AVI container.
Ouya is Android
Agreed.
not Linux.
Android is not GNU/Linux, but it does use the Linux kernel, and some people have reported success running a userspace based on GNU in a chroot alongside Android.
So you claim the PCSX2 has in fact surpassed 75% compatibility. But one problem with using PCSX2 is that it's distributed under the GNU General Public License, and console makers ban copylefted software in general. Your compatibility link is not responding, so I can't go check whether contributors to PCSX2 are required to sign a copyright assignment agreement that would allow for licensing the emulator to Sony Computer Entertainment under more console-friendly terms.
VCDs work in a lot of DVD players. Expecting VHS to work is like expecting a PS2 to play N64 Game Paks.
Then perhaps you should upgrade to the PlayStation 4's built-in web browser, which uses an optimized data structure for hosts file lookups. With several GB of RAM, what's 14 MB for a DNS firewall config?
</sarcasm>
I'm curious why they haven't revealed what it looks like yet.
A corrupt slashdot luser has infiltrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.
Then create an account to prevent this from happening.
Sony really should have lost that lawsuit over removing a feature from the old models.
No, they shouldn't because the actual choice is the users. You can keep Linux, but then because you're not running a recent firmware they don't "trust" your PS3 so you lose PSN access. That's it. You have a choice, Linux on the PS3 (which wasn't all that special anyway) or PSN. The update that removes Linux capability warns you in no uncertain terms what it does, and requests confirmation, twice, before it does it.
because over time, the company releases systems with fewer and fewer features.
Yes, cost reduction...since if people aren't willing to buy your console at 299 one way to get it down in price is to remove the discret S-video jacks, and then perhaps the serial port for the link cable no one has, and then perhaps remove the parallel port which only game cheating devices (some of which could be used to play "backups") connected.
With the PS3, the biggest complaint about it at launch was the price. And now the biggest complaint about the new models is the lack of backwards compatibility/SACD/built in card reader/4 USB ports. All of which went bye bye to get the cost down.
What the new playstation absolutely needs is 100% configurable buttons on the controller! It can easily be justified as an accessibility option.
The need for this can often be seen when playing an older PS2 game where some idiot assigned the square button as "Back" when all the other games in the world use the circle button.
This should be the FIRST thing they implement.
Sony never removed backwards compatiblity from any customers machine. I had purchased a 60 gig machine and it had backwards compatiblity up untill it was stolen from me out of the back of a truck. What they did was stop including the PS2 "emotion engine" graphics chip inside new PS3s as a cost cutting move. They announced this publically. People understood what they were buying. I think you are confusing things with Linux.
You have a choice, Linux on the PS3 (which wasn't all that special anyway) or PSN
That wasn't a choice when I bought it. Why should it be a choice later on after I've sunk money into the damn thing? As for newer models not having the feature, that's fine... no one is forcing them to include it, but since I bought it with that feature, they took a big fat dump on my PS3 to make it continue being a PS3. It doesn't matter if YOU thought it wasn't really special. You don't get to dismiss a valid point because you think the choice is obvious (you chose PSN, I am guessing.)
I didn't want to make that choice. But I am making this choice. No PS4. They can shove it up their tailpipe. I won't buy one.
It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
With all the comments, I am surprised no one commented on the built-in headset.
Even supporting Bluetooth headsets, there are too few people using them in PS3 multiplayer games.
Even though I got a BT headset linked with my PS3, I rather bothered to hook it up every time I play. It really is quite a hassle to go through the menus, and often my headset would have lost all its charge when I do so.
With headset coming with each box and connecting directly to the controller, you can expect nearly all players to have it on (or can plug it in quickly).
Plus, you can have 3+ players each with their own headsets on the same system, it will hopefully encourage more multiplayer games to support more than 2 players on each console (Borderlands 2, I am looking at you).
That, in my hope, will encourage more "get together to play" style gaming that used to be pervasive with consoles in the past. Instead of the current "everyone get home to their own console to play together" situation.
Oliver.
The first several versions of the Xbox 360 overheated and eventually died, usually just beyond the warranty period.
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Linux on the PS3 (which wasn't all that special anyway) or PSN.
I thought post-3.21 disc games didn't work on a pre-3.21 PS3, even if you didn't use PSN.
then perhaps the serial port for the link cable no one has
If you're referring to the link cable on the original PlayStation, I am a counterexample to a literal interpretation of your "no one". I have used it to play Command & Conquer: Red Alert: Retaliation with a neighbor.
If you want near absolute control buy a PC.
What should someone do who wants both absolute control and the ability to play a game without buying a separate copy of each game each member of the household? What should someone do who wants both absolute control and the assurance that the game one bought will just work?
That being said, I'm ready for the PS4. The small screen in the controllers should be interesting and just about big enough to use for menu and item swapping.
That's what they said about the screen in the Dreamcast VMU, but that feature by itself wasn't enough to save the Dreamcast.
no driver updates. No tweaking settings. Better overall performance at a lower price because you don't have to test/optimize for every graphics card.
And no good-faith game modding community. And no games developed by hobbyists or startups, so you get a string of safe bets from major studios like Call of Sameness 9 and Super Mario 13.
People want different tools for different jobs.
Even if a PlayStation family console is the best tool for the job of playing major-label games, what's the best tool for the job of playing indie games?
How about the lack of cheaters/aimbots/etc in multiplayer?
If a game is susceptible to aimbotting, a player using a PC could kick your tail any day because a mouse is more precise than an analog stick. As for other cheating, are you talking about, say, mods to give away all players' positions such as radar extenders or fog-of-war eliminators? I'm asking because I'm trying to find a mitigation for cheating in online games with strangers that doesn't take away a device owner's ability to run good-faith game mods created by someone else who lives in the same city.
With the PS3 or PS4, I can be reasonably certain that I will be playing against honest players 99.9% of the time
The same is true of same-screen multiplayer on console games and on controller-optimized PC games (which are starting to show up now that Steam has Big Picture), and the same is true of LAN games or friends-only online games. You only have to worry about cheaters if you choose to play online with strangers.
PCs with Intel IGPs have unified memory. What unified memory means is that the CPU and GPU are fighting over access to the memory bus.
so why not just build an HTPC and have control of the system?
I asked exactly this question earlier in the discussion, and others replied with their own reasons for choosing a console. One is that games for a console just work, with no need for antivirus or driver updates. Another is that someone playing online with a pickup group of strangers is far less likely to run into someone with a noticeable unfair advantage, such as a cheater or someone with a much more expensive CPU and GPU. A third is that some major publishers will want to keep their games console-exclusive because mass copyright infringement isn't quite as prevalent on consoles as it is on PCs. A fourth is that PC games typically require much larger installs than even PS3 games. Wii and Xbox 360 games don't require installs at all. A fifth is the always-online trend of PC games like Assassin's Creed 2 and the latest SimCity. Some people drag out a console specifically to pass the time during an Internet outage.
And hooking a PC to a TV is as simple as an HDMI cable now
Provided your TV has HDMI in. The big screen HDTV at my aunt's house is a CRT projection HDTV made before LCD and plasma were popular, and it has only composite and component in.
And if you want the little case? They make VCR looking cases you can use if that is what melts your butter but I've built several HTPCs and when folks see how nice the new cases look they usually just skip the HTPC case.
What if I want to buy all this, but I don't live anywhere near your shop? Not everybody has the time to learn how to research parts and build a computer from parts. A lot of people just want to take the box out of the cardboard, plug it into the wall and the TV's HDMI, put in a disc, and go.
Valve has big picture mode now which makes driving with a wireless thumbstick or remote easy peasy
Provided developers are willing to rework their games to be controller-friendly, or to port console games to the PC at all.
the games are cheaper
Two to four times cheaper? Console games are far more likely to support multiplayer with one copy of the game.
it was Nintendo that didn't allow open source software to be used with the Wii SDK. Sony could just use PCSX2 without any permission so long as they provided a link to the source code upon request.
PCSX2 is GPLv3. (source). This means Sony would have to ship each copy with Installation Information, or instructions to install one's own modifications on the hardware that shipped with PCSX2. Anybody could use this Installation Information to install homebrew on the platform.
Just go to the website, pick the kit you want, and say "I want THAT kit with THIS card,how much" and there ya go.
How are end users supposed to know what kit they want? It's not like consoles, where you can say "PlayStation 4" and be done with it.
ask around
You can tell how much I know that I don't know from the following question: Who's "around"? If I don't know, the general public is even less likely to know. I ask this explicitly because I have a disability that makes me literal-minded, and I want my walkthrough about how to buy a gaming HTPC to be as clear as possible.
some of us don't advertise since we have more work now than we want
No advertising on the part of local HTPC builders leaves Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony with all of end users' mindshare.
Once you pick a shop ASK US and we are HAPPY to help
I asked a couple years ago in one shop and was told that the only computers they could build in cases smaller than a huge tower were computers with an Atom processor, and an Atom is about as powerful as a Pentium 4. If it varies from shop to shop, that's another advantage of consoles because wherever you go that advertises "PlayStation 4", you can get a PlayStation 4.
My biggest question is "What do you want it to do?" and you answer me that and I can point you in the right direction.
I told a sales associate in another shop what I wanted, namely to watch movies and play video games on a TV, and he told me PlayStation 3 was a better fit for that use case than a PC running Steam.
do you REALLY like casual phone style games? Then Bobcat. Do you REALLY like your big sprawling first and third person games? Thuban.
The manufacturers have done a far poorer job of promoting those brand names than the console makers have done of promoting their brand names.
Do you do kit builds, if so what do you charge? Can you help me choose the parts? Its really not hard questions
So the procedure becomes as follows: 1. find a kit, and 2. find a PC builder that will build it. This raises the question that the prospective buyer of a PC to replace a console must somehow answer: "Which kit do I want that will let me play the next five years of Steam games in this genre on at least minimum settings?". Any proponent of HTPC gaming and local PC builders should cite a recommended kit and video card for low, medium, and high price. And if the low-price kit is still more expensive than a console, the practical advantage of openness has to be made explicit.
Thank you for your patience with me. I'm just trying to get toward a walkthrough that will make HTPC buying as easy as buying a console.
But at least with Steam you can be off for up to a month and the games still run
Unless the listing for the game on Steam shows that a particular game has third-party DRM in addition to standard Steam DRM.
THIS is why he's doing it & proof of it, here -> http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585927&cid=43295193 when others pointed out Jeremiah Cornelius forgot to submit one of the "first post spams" (masquerading as myself, by posting as AC & using some old posts of mine or other b.s. he put up), & JC mistakenly submitted one of the impersonations of myself as his registered 'luser' name here on /. forums.
Pretty pitiful actually, but like every up to no good idiot does? He screwed up & submitted it under his registered 'luser' name here, instead of his ac submittals he's been doing.
* Jeremiah Cornelius: DO YOURSELF, and the rest of us, A GIANT FAVOR MAN: Seek professional psychiatric help!
(Since Jeremiah Cornelius obviously can't get over the fact he made a spelling error on what it is HE ALLEGEDLY DID FOR A LIVING? That's not MY fault... it's HIS!)
APK
P.S.=> I seriously must have dusted JC (in his mind @ least) for his BAD spelling error & it "got his goat"...
I.E.-> Catching what he claimed to do as a job, for YEARS he left "PENETRATION" (correct) spelled as "PENTRATION" (incorrect) on his resume on LinkedIn & I pointed it out as he & his friends trolled me as usual (webmistressrachel, gmhowell, & crew (probably ALL JC no doubt using alterate emails or TOR to do it as a possible - I've caught "them & theirs" doing it before, ala Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person))).
So THAT is what has gotten his goat in a technical debate & his "geek angst" could only come up with *trying* to "impersonate me" in every news thread on /. for the month of March 2013 so far!
(Just to attempt to 'discredit me' as a spammer here obviously)
Doing so, by posting that "$10,000 challenge" &/or reposts of my old posts on hosts file value to end users into EVERY SINGLE NEWS ARTICLE POSTED on /. ...
It's all I can think of that *might* cause such a mentally troubled 'reaction' like the Jeremiah Cornelius is doing & there's NO QUESTION he's the one doing this spamming of nearly every posted article masquerading as myself...!
... apk
"The reason people impersonate you is because everyone thinks you're a moron. "The hosts file is not intended to be used as you suggest. But it's pretty damn funny, though." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 28, @10:42AM (#43302885)
Just as I state to end-user's benefit in better speed, security, reliability, + anonymity to an extent online, here (per my subject-line above):
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APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 64-bit:
http://www.start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&Itemid=74
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Hmmm?
* You're welcome to disprove the 16 points there validly on computing based grounds...
(Good luck - You'll NEED it (& that won't help either: It can't be done, & 100's of trolls like yourself have tried + failed consistently in over years here...)).
APK
P.S.=> By the way - Here's roughly a 100 /.'ers that disagree & 40++ posts of mine on hosts that've been up-modded too, disproving your b.s. quoted above, easily:
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* THE HOSTS FILE GROUP 40++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):
APPLYING HOSTS TO DIFF. PLATFORM W/ TCP-IP STACK BASED ON BSD: 2008 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1944892&cid=34831038
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1197039&cid=27556999
0.0.0.0 IN HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1143349&cid=27012231
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198841&cid=27580299
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139705&cid=26977225
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1319261&cid=28872833 (still says INSIGHTFUL)
APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068