I know this comment will probably get buried but I am one of the people who CAN NOT wait for MMORPGs to hit the console. I will resub EQ (or any other MMO) as soon as it will work on my PS3.
Your wait was not needed.
http://everquestonlineadventures.station.sony.com/ It's a PS2 game but works just fine on the PS3. You did do the smart thing and buy a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility. If you didn't, PS2's are cheap, and that'll run on a slim PS2.
Going to have to disagree a bit with you on this. I think group 2 will also play MMORPG's on their consoles if they find them appealing, but if they do they won't play much else.. Group 3 might also play an MMORPG, stay-at-home-moms have the time if their kids are old enough. (I know several mom's who devote a TON of time to Second Life), senior citizens too. The oldest D&D players are probably senior citizen's now, and they might find MMORPG's more appealing than trying to get people together for a tabletop session.
Don't forget, those that played RPG's on Apple II's, C64's, NES's and SNES's are used to grinding, and most of those folks would be in their 30's or older.
They really think they have a shot at time-intensive games on the _console_, that has its primary business in fast-paced games you can play quickly, without learning much, when you have a bit of time? Have they lost their mind?
Not all console gamers are "Madden and other sports game only dorm/frat boy/ESPN adult fanguy gamers" Ogre Battle? Final Fantasy tactics? Disgaea? Persona? Final Fantasy XI/XII? Oblivion?
That sort of thing makes Blizzard assholes, since their first game ever was a SNES game with much better graphics than that and they know it. And some of their later games like Warcraft II and Diablo got ported to the PSone. Now they're just another bunch of PC only snob developers. They should know better, but they don't. And now there's dev houses doing Diablo clones on the PS2/PS3 that look better than anything Blizzard has done. Diablo 3 is nothing, it looks like an enhanced Snowblind engine game. I'd have more respect for them if they weren't lazy bumfucks that took 5 years or more to do a sequel that is obviously borrowing ideas from Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath.
Card tables, laptop tables, tv trays, writing type lapboards. It's not rocket science. You can even put the keyboard on your lap and an optical mouse beside you on the couch.
Perhaps I do mean to be an ass, but has anyone actually made a decent MMORPG for a console that has a remote chance of appealing to the same crowd as the PC MMORPG player that cut their teeth on the likes of UO and EQ?
Yes, Sony Online Entertainment with Everquest Online Adventures (Frontiers) I personally met a few players of PC EQ who preferred the gameplay of EQOA. They mostly complained that PC EQ was more tedius, and complained about corpse runs, game balance issues, and the lack of contiguous zones. You could walk/swim from Fayspires to the Kappa Fortress on Odus and not see a single load screen. Course that meant that EQOA is constantly streaming data on disc and is hard on PS2's. If your PS2 is getting ready to give you DRE's you'll notice it if you play EQOA on it.
And also Square-Enix with Final Fantasy XI, which had players of the PS2 version and PC version playing together on the same servers.
Nevermind the fact that consoles, even with text-thumbpads that have been coming out lately, are completely unsuited to deep role playing.
Anyone on a console alt-tabbing out of an MMO to check their email?
It's possible, Runescape does run on Firefox under Yellow Dog 6 on the PS3.
Consoles are designed around the idea of playing on the couch or living room floor usually, and PCs and PC games are designed around a desk and chair.
I actually have my consoles on a computer desk, connected to a 19" HDTV. It's a useful setup for me because I run Linux on my consoles, currently a PS3, but I've done it on a PS2 as well.
When consoles are able to do what PCs can do, then they will essentially be the same as a PC - ie, add a mouse and keyboard and internet and hard drives and DVDs and a monitor, then you've essentially got a home computer.
And what did most C64 owners use their machines for? Games. There were plenty that only played cartridge games on them with joysticks and didn't use the computer functionality much at all. What is a PS2 or PS3 with Linux installed but a home computer, that's why Sony always refers to the PS2 and PS3 as a "computer enterainment system"
This stuff isn't new, Sony released the PS2 Linux kit in 2001 in Japan, 2002 outside of Japan and the first PS2 MMORPG was released in February of 2003.
Where have you been for the past 8 years. What does EVERY PS2 have on the front of it? 2 USB ports. And what could people plug into them? Keyboards for text chatting in the two PS2 MMORPGs, EQOA and FFXI.
What does a PS3 have on the front of it? 2 or 4 USB ports. And what can people plug into them? Just about anything, but personally I always have a keyboard and mouse plugged into my PS3.
Why don't console manufacturers offer games designed for a keyboard and mouse?
They did/do, ever since the PSone days (with certain PSone mouse centric games) just not many of them. Both current console MMORPG's on the PS2 have keyboard support and almost everyone had one, those that didn't were subtly encouraged to get one.
The console manufactures keep talking about their products as media centers. If they're serious, encourage people to stay on their PS3 or XBox to check email, surf the web, and play games only available on PC today.
Better yet, bring in that PS2/PS3 and shell into your work account! "See kids, your PS2's and PS3's are computers, at work I keep computers running. Most of the time my work consists of typing commands into this terminal window here."
From what I'm reading, they're doing games for all the platforms, besides the DS and Wii getting a couple of exclusives, the PS3 and PSP are getting a couple of exclusives themselves. The Xbox 360 is only getting one game though if memory serves me right.
I'm also in Central Illinois over in Pontiac. got a cheap-ass indoor antenna to hook my Element 1920b to test out it's over the air reception. It's not hooked up to cable because it's primary use is to be the display for my PS3. Depending how I aim it, I can either pick up the WYZZ digital and analog feeds, plus the WWTO analog and WAND analog (snowy grey, pretty much audio only) and WHOI analog (snowy grey audio only) or I can aim it north west and get the WWTO digital and analog feed and the WYZZ analog one. I can't pick up Peoria or Champaign Urbana digital at all.
Doesn't your nano have that command bar at the bottom of the screen designed to help out those unfamiliar with it? It says it's ^O to Write Out (Save) and ^X to exit.
The thing about RoadRunner and others (such as Red Storm at Sandia) is that they are special pieces of hardware that run highly specialized operating systems.
Every time he wanted to load a game on it, it had to go out and get patches.
Has to be an exaggeration it does go out and get patches. but doesn't happen often. In the past PC gamers condemned consoles because the games couldn't be patched, and now people are complaining that they can.
I want a game machine. I want to put in a game an play it with out it having to connect to the internet to see if it legal or if there are any patches.
It doesn't "have" to connect to the internet. You can play all the non-online games you want without a net connection.
If you want a good 3D Mega Man, try Mega Man Legends for the PS1. Imagine Doom, crossed with Tomb Raider, crossed with an RPG. the MML games (MML 1 and 2 and the Tron Bonne game) are the only Mega Man games I like.
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Your wait was not needed.
http://everquestonlineadventures.station.sony.com/ It's a PS2 game but works just fine on the PS3. You did do the smart thing and buy a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility. If you didn't, PS2's are cheap, and that'll run on a slim PS2.
It's available on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Everquest-Online-Adventures-Frontiers-Playstation-2/dp/B0000CDZB9
There's also Final Fantasy XI: http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/
You have to create a PS2 partition on your PS3 hard drive for that one, and it won't work on a slim PS2 without a hard drive.
Going to have to disagree a bit with you on this. I think group 2 will also play MMORPG's on their consoles if they find them appealing, but if they do they won't play much else.. Group 3 might also play an MMORPG, stay-at-home-moms have the time if their kids are old enough. (I know several mom's who devote a TON of time to Second Life), senior citizens too. The oldest D&D players are probably senior citizen's now, and they might find MMORPG's more appealing than trying to get people together for a tabletop session.
Don't forget, those that played RPG's on Apple II's, C64's, NES's and SNES's are used to grinding, and most of those folks would be in their 30's or older.
Don't forget people buying L$ directly on the Lindex, Linden Lab gets a tiny cut of that but it adds up.
Not all console gamers are "Madden and other sports game only dorm/frat boy/ESPN adult fanguy gamers" Ogre Battle? Final Fantasy tactics? Disgaea? Persona? Final Fantasy XI/XII? Oblivion?
Ha ha, on EQOA on the PS2 was pretty much like that. Trying to remember if there were Crushbone orcs, I remember Hatebone's.
That sort of thing makes Blizzard assholes, since their first game ever was a SNES game with much better graphics than that and they know it. And some of their later games like Warcraft II and Diablo got ported to the PSone. Now they're just another bunch of PC only snob developers. They should know better, but they don't. And now there's dev houses doing Diablo clones on the PS2/PS3 that look better than anything Blizzard has done. Diablo 3 is nothing, it looks like an enhanced Snowblind engine game. I'd have more respect for them if they weren't lazy bumfucks that took 5 years or more to do a sequel that is obviously borrowing ideas from Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath.
Card tables, laptop tables, tv trays, writing type lapboards. It's not rocket science. You can even put the keyboard on your lap and an optical mouse beside you on the couch.
Did you forget about the PS2's network adapter? Plenty of games built around that, and it wasn't bundled for a couple of years.
Yes, Sony Online Entertainment with Everquest Online Adventures (Frontiers) I personally met a few players of PC EQ who preferred the gameplay of EQOA. They mostly complained that PC EQ was more tedius, and complained about corpse runs, game balance issues, and the lack of contiguous zones. You could walk/swim from Fayspires to the Kappa Fortress on Odus and not see a single load screen. Course that meant that EQOA is constantly streaming data on disc and is hard on PS2's. If your PS2 is getting ready to give you DRE's you'll notice it if you play EQOA on it.
And also Square-Enix with Final Fantasy XI, which had players of the PS2 version and PC version playing together on the same servers.
They are? Why not? It isn't a control issue.
It's possible, Runescape does run on Firefox under Yellow Dog 6 on the PS3.
I actually have my consoles on a computer desk, connected to a 19" HDTV. It's a useful setup for me because I run Linux on my consoles, currently a PS3, but I've done it on a PS2 as well.
Where have you been for the past 8 years. What does EVERY PS2 have on the front of it? 2 USB ports. And what could people plug into them? Keyboards for text chatting in the two PS2 MMORPGs, EQOA and FFXI.
What does a PS3 have on the front of it? 2 or 4 USB ports. And what can people plug into them? Just about anything, but personally I always have a keyboard and mouse plugged into my PS3.
and tears. And a sacrifice of a virgin geek now and then.
Better yet, bring in that PS2/PS3 and shell into your work account! "See kids, your PS2's and PS3's are computers, at work I keep computers running. Most of the time my work consists of typing commands into this terminal window here."
No, because there was a schoolteacher on board as part of the "schoolteacher in space" program the launch was obviously going to be on TV in schools.
From what I'm reading, they're doing games for all the platforms, besides the DS and Wii getting a couple of exclusives, the PS3 and PSP are getting a couple of exclusives themselves. The Xbox 360 is only getting one game though if memory serves me right.
The Commodore 1541 floppy drive stored 170K
What "used game stores" take PC games for resale? I've not seen any that do.
I'm also in Central Illinois over in Pontiac. got a cheap-ass indoor antenna to hook my Element 1920b to test out it's over the air reception. It's not hooked up to cable because it's primary use is to be the display for my PS3. Depending how I aim it, I can either pick up the WYZZ digital and analog feeds, plus the WWTO analog and WAND analog (snowy grey, pretty much audio only) and WHOI analog (snowy grey audio only) or I can aim it north west and get the WWTO digital and analog feed and the WYZZ analog one. I can't pick up Peoria or Champaign Urbana digital at all.
I first read Slashdot on a WebTV plus, back in 99.
vi beeps? I've only seen it flash.
Doesn't your nano have that command bar at the bottom of the screen designed to help out those unfamiliar with it? It says it's ^O to Write Out (Save) and ^X to exit.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner
That's because it can be.
Has to be an exaggeration it does go out and get patches. but doesn't happen often. In the past PC gamers condemned consoles because the games couldn't be patched, and now people are complaining that they can.
It doesn't "have" to connect to the internet. You can play all the non-online games you want without a net connection.
If you want a good 3D Mega Man, try Mega Man Legends for the PS1. Imagine Doom, crossed with Tomb Raider, crossed with an RPG. the MML games (MML 1 and 2 and the Tron Bonne game) are the only Mega Man games I like.