when your old one goes obsolete, but you have to throw out your entire game library as well.
No, you don't. The machines don't stop working...but you might run out of storage space unless you've been doing a lot of digital on the PS3. But then again I have a CECHE model PS3 so I can play everything back to the original PSone.
I've got other older machines...but only the SNES is actually hooked up and not stored away.
Or get a decent "business" machine and maybe get (or slap) a half-decent nVidia in it.
Agreed, if you're PC/Windows centric. (I run Linux which is one of the reasons I game on consoles)
Hell, if you're that worried, buy a Steam machine. Most of those will play anything you throw at them.
I wouldn't recommend the low end models, especially those with SteamOS, one would be better off with a PS4 The higher end models with windows aren't bad...again if you're PC/Windows centric.
Agree with the "tiny hands required" statement however. Why do all PC makers think everyone has tiny fingers?
I don't know...you tell me. Case cuts are like papercuts. You'd think you got stabbled with a vorpal sword considering how much they hurt compared to how tiny they are. And I DO have small fingers.
There are only 8? I haven't opened the case on mine, though I did install a larger (2TB) hard drive in it...I think I did have to remove 5 screws in total. Takes slightly longer than installing a video card in a PC, but less time than a CPU or PSU upgrade.
The guy who wrote the article would probably have a hard time upgrading the hard drive in a PS4! I mean you have to know you need a 2.5" SATA drive with a height 9.5mm or less. And the aforementioned 5 screws! And you have to have the PS4 system software on a USB storage device and there's the backup you should make before the upgrade.
If you have half a brain and enough hand-eye coordination to play video games in the first place, you can build your own kick-ass gaming PC with little trouble.
I'd never build one "all the way" personally. What I'd do is buy some cheap office-centric refurb mid-tower with the CPU/RAM I want and THEN put a video card in that. Which is basically what my current machine is, which is getting long in the tooth. I'm primarily a console gamer but do use certain 3D applications...damn you addictive Second Life (and every now and then a F2P MMO without a console port...yet)
If it tweren't for Second Life I wouldn't need much of a PC at all.
You just wait until Steam drops the price to $7.95 during some sale or other.
Or PSN for us Playstation using folk. Thanks to competition, PSN sales ARE getting better. Picked up the PS4 version of Saints Row IV for $5 recently. And the Borderlands Handsome collection was 14.99 for PS+ users last week.
HOLY Shit, there's a version with your very own remote control talking claptrap! Sure it's over $300...but why hadn't I heard of this before.
And if you set up a wishlist in Steam, they'll even contact you as soon as your game goes on sale.
Which PSN does NOT do....yet. I mean they have a wishlist on the website version, but AFAIK it doesn't do notifications. I WISH they'd do it. I mean sure, I run Linux and could set up a shell script to check the PSN game pages for sales, but not everyone can do that.
These are also handy if you do console games where a keyboard might come in handy. (I used a lappad now and then for EQOA on the PS2 when I didn't play at a desk)
Also handy if you use a HOTAS with WarThunder on the PS4.
And of course they can be used with laptops and tablets.
you need at least 3 consoles to play the majority of console games (PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo)
Not all console gamers have an interest in playing ALL console games. So you don't NEED all 3.
Then you also need to buy additional memory cards,
Did you just time travel from the 90's or the early "aughts"? Consoles don't use memory cards.
specific wiring and controllers because whatever is in the box is usually insufficient.
Again, are you a time traveler?
Then you do this every 2-3 years
More like 5 -7. PS1: 1995 PS2: 2000 PS3: 2006 PS4: 2013
$50-75/game because the systems die all-in-one too and the games are utterly expensive.
$50 is expensive? Sense of entitlement much. I'm old enough to remember single-screen 2600 games going for $40. considering the amount of content we get these days for the prices we pay.....we're actually paying LESS.
On the PC you at least have the option of going for very well built, "cheap" games where $50+ typically gets you a very high quality game.
Consoles have the same option. Again, did you just time travel from 2000?
The point is that you are going to have a PC in your house anyway, unless you're one of the old people who doesn't own a computer. Since you already have a PC regardless of whether or not you use it to play games,
For us maybe, but the masses don't need PC's to do what they want to do as much anymore. It is not like the old days when you had to have a computer to use e-mail or browse the net.
PC gaming is the same price as console gaming for the hardware
Umm no. Look I know you're a PCMR sort of guy and you know I"m a Linux user that prefers to play on consoles, but you and I both know that's not an accurate statement.
A PC in your home is a zero sum game. You will own one.
Are you sure about that? Plenty of the masses don't really need one since they can do what they do on computers with tablets. Sure, you and I both own one, but we are NOT the masses.
The cost of a PC gaming machine is the cost of a PC gaming system minus the cost of a conventional PC. A console will run you perhaps 300~400 USD. Add 300 to 400 to the cost of a PC and you have a reasonable gaming PC.
Maybe...IF you want to play PC games. There are people who simply don't want to.
As to difficulty, the difficulty of PC gaming is only difficult if you don't know how to use a computer.
Mostly for those of us who are "into" computers, but console gaming is even easier. One Button Easy. Which is easier, streaming a game of Minecraft on the PC or doing so on the PS4?
The difficulty of PC gaming minus again the assumed competence with a PC which you should have anyway is about zero.
Considering the number of incompetent windows users out there..... perhaps more Windows users should be encouraged to go console.
Meanwhile, that $200 console is going to need a $500-$1000(or more) big-screen TV
More like 300 -400, which people already have to...you know....WATCH TV.
if you want some l33t controllers that give you an edge in the game, that's gonna set you back at least $100 more - per controller. Oh, and if you want a pretty cover for that controller to make you look bad-assed? that's an extra $150.)
PCs have been able to do anything a console does until now.
Except run console specific games, and be truly affordable. Oh sure, you can buy a cheap PC, but the Master Race types on Steam would laugh at you if you called some $500 PC from a big box store a gaming rig. They'd be saying "Spend 1500 on a real rig n00b or j00 will get p@wn3d in LoL and TF2"
After this there will be no reason left to buy a console.
Plenty of reasons, games and game genres that don't appear on PC, preference for console controls that aren't the 360/Xbox one game pad, preference against using Windows, preference for not having to worry about system requirements/tweaking, one-button-it-just-works-easy-everything, and price.
And that would be an actionable lie. So yeah, that's retarded.
If you closely read the TOS of many ISPs you will find that violating a TOS of a service provider/hack/etc is also considered a violation of the ISP's TOS.
Yoshi's Island also used the faster FX2 chip, 21.4Mhz instead of the 10.7Mhz of the standard SuperFX chip. SNES DOOM (and some game I've never heard of called "Winter Gold") also uses the FX2.
What makes you think your PlayStation 3, Wii U, or PlayStation 4 console isn't spying on you just as much?
Because if the PlayStation-foo's are, Sony isn't taking very good advantage of it.
I have a PS3, PS4, and Vita. I used to get MORE marketing from SCEA back in the PSone/PS2 days. Nowadays the only e-mail I get from SCEA are the notifications one gets when one buys something from PSN.
Heck, Blizzard sends me more marketing than Sony does.
I think those guys...and yes they are almost ALL young men, should lose their internet connections.
Or failing that, their IP (and voice chat) should be logged, the ISP contacted, and a call made to their location.
"Hello, Smith residence? This is Blizzard, one of the computers at your location was logged as cheating and being a general Internet Fuckwad in our game Overwatch. Here's some of the voice chat"
Blizzard plays bit of homophobic "shitcock" style speech.
"Oh, that's your son? Well doing what your son has been doing is actually against your ISP's TOS....they could cancel your service."
Blizzard rep listens while a modern version of the Christmas Story scene where Schwartz gets punished for supposedly teaching Ralphie the Eff Dash Dash Dash word plays out in the background
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when your old one goes obsolete, but you have to throw out your entire game library as well.
No, you don't. The machines don't stop working...but you might run out of storage space unless you've been doing a lot of digital on the PS3. But then again I have a CECHE model PS3 so I can play everything back to the original PSone.
I've got other older machines...but only the SNES is actually hooked up and not stored away.
Or get a decent "business" machine and maybe get (or slap) a half-decent nVidia in it.
Agreed, if you're PC/Windows centric. (I run Linux which is one of the reasons I game on consoles)
Hell, if you're that worried, buy a Steam machine. Most of those will play anything you throw at them.
I wouldn't recommend the low end models, especially those with SteamOS, one would be better off with a PS4 The higher end models with windows aren't bad...again if you're PC/Windows centric.
Agree with the "tiny hands required" statement however. Why do all PC makers think everyone has tiny fingers?
I don't know...you tell me. Case cuts are like papercuts. You'd think you got stabbled with a vorpal sword considering how much they hurt compared to how tiny they are. And I DO have small fingers.
There are only 8? I haven't opened the case on mine, though I did install a larger (2TB) hard drive in it...I think I did have to remove 5 screws in total. Takes slightly longer than installing a video card in a PC, but less time than a CPU or PSU upgrade.
The guy who wrote the article would probably have a hard time upgrading the hard drive in a PS4! I mean you have to know you need a 2.5" SATA drive with a height 9.5mm or less. And the aforementioned 5 screws! And you have to have the PS4 system software on a USB storage device and there's the backup you should make before the upgrade.
If you have half a brain and enough hand-eye coordination to play video games in the first place, you can build your own kick-ass gaming PC with little trouble.
I'd never build one "all the way" personally. What I'd do is buy some cheap office-centric refurb mid-tower with the CPU/RAM I want and THEN put a video card in that. Which is basically what my current machine is, which is getting long in the tooth. I'm primarily a console gamer but do use certain 3D applications...damn you addictive Second Life (and every now and then a F2P MMO without a console port...yet)
If it tweren't for Second Life I wouldn't need much of a PC at all.
You just wait until Steam drops the price to $7.95 during some sale or other.
Or PSN for us Playstation using folk. Thanks to competition, PSN sales ARE getting better. Picked up the PS4 version of Saints Row IV for $5 recently. And the Borderlands Handsome collection was 14.99 for PS+ users last week.
HOLY Shit, there's a version with your very own remote control talking claptrap! Sure it's over $300...but why hadn't I heard of this before.
And if you set up a wishlist in Steam, they'll even contact you as soon as your game goes on sale.
Which PSN does NOT do....yet. I mean they have a wishlist on the website version, but AFAIK it doesn't do notifications. I WISH they'd do it. I mean sure, I run Linux and could set up a shell script to check the PSN game pages for sales, but not everyone can do that.
And this goes double for mods, which extend the replay value of moddable PC games immensely.
As if most games, even console games, don't already have more gameplay and "stuff" than most players will ever see.
Without moddability in Half-Life, would there even have been a Counter-Strike?
Probably not.
And without Counter-Strike and TFC, would Half-Life have sold as well as it did?
HL sold VERY well before there ever was a CS or TFC.
MS and Sony have already said that they're retiring the entire business model.
Citation needed from a mainstream trusted media source...not some european PCMR website.
logitech once made a wireless keyboard with an included touch pad intended for console centric use. Yep, found them.
https://www.amazon.com/Logitec...
Iogear makes one with a trackball.
https://www.cdw.com/shop/produ...!
Though I never used them, I just used a TV Tray/Table/lappad with a standard USB keyboard/mouse with a long enough cable.
TV trays/tables.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Furi...
lappads /trays can also work,
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Atla...
http://www.walmart.com/ip/4856...
These are also handy if you do console games where a keyboard might come in handy. (I used a lappad now and then for EQOA on the PS2 when I didn't play at a desk)
Also handy if you use a HOTAS with WarThunder on the PS4.
And of course they can be used with laptops and tablets.
you need at least 3 consoles to play the majority of console games (PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo)
Not all console gamers have an interest in playing ALL console games. So you don't NEED all 3.
Then you also need to buy additional memory cards,
Did you just time travel from the 90's or the early "aughts"? Consoles don't use memory cards.
specific wiring and controllers because whatever is in the box is usually insufficient.
Again, are you a time traveler?
Then you do this every 2-3 years
More like 5 -7.
PS1: 1995
PS2: 2000
PS3: 2006
PS4: 2013
$50-75/game because the systems die all-in-one too and the games are utterly expensive.
$50 is expensive? Sense of entitlement much. I'm old enough to remember single-screen 2600 games going for $40. considering the amount of content we get these days for the prices we pay.....we're actually paying LESS.
On the PC you at least have the option of going for very well built, "cheap" games where $50+ typically gets you a very high quality game.
Consoles have the same option. Again, did you just time travel from 2000?
The point is that you are going to have a PC in your house anyway, unless you're one of the old people who doesn't own a computer. Since you already have a PC regardless of whether or not you use it to play games,
For us maybe, but the masses don't need PC's to do what they want to do as much anymore. It is not like the old days when you had to have a computer to use e-mail or browse the net.
PC gaming is the same price as console gaming for the hardware
Umm no. Look I know you're a PCMR sort of guy and you know I"m a Linux user that prefers to play on consoles, but you and I both know that's not an accurate statement.
A PC in your home is a zero sum game. You will own one.
Are you sure about that? Plenty of the masses don't really need one since they can do what they do on computers with tablets. Sure, you and I both own one, but we are NOT the masses.
The cost of a PC gaming machine is the cost of a PC gaming system minus the cost of a conventional PC. A console will run you perhaps 300~400 USD. Add 300 to 400 to the cost of a PC and you have a reasonable gaming PC.
Maybe...IF you want to play PC games. There are people who simply don't want to.
As to difficulty, the difficulty of PC gaming is only difficult if you don't know how to use a computer.
Mostly for those of us who are "into" computers, but console gaming is even easier. One Button Easy. Which is easier, streaming a game of Minecraft on the PC or doing so on the PS4?
The difficulty of PC gaming minus again the assumed competence with a PC which you should have anyway is about zero.
Considering the number of incompetent windows users out there..... perhaps more Windows users should be encouraged to go console.
"The Crusher" beats the Athlon 5150-equivalent in the PS4.
The Crusher won't crush anything. Quad-core vs PS4's Octo-core? (Admittedly it's a fast quad-core) Slow RAM (compared to a PS4)? a 950?
Replace that 950 with a 970, then you're talking, but that will up the price.
Meanwhile, that $200 console is going to need a $500-$1000(or more) big-screen TV
More like 300 -400, which people already have to...you know....WATCH TV.
if you want some l33t controllers that give you an edge in the game, that's gonna set you back at least $100 more - per controller. Oh, and if you want a pretty cover for that controller to make you look bad-assed? that's an extra $150.)
Very few console gamers actualy buy those.
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PCs have been able to do anything a console does until now.
Except run console specific games, and be truly affordable. Oh sure, you can buy a cheap PC, but the Master Race types on Steam would laugh at you if you called some $500 PC from a big box store a gaming rig. They'd be saying "Spend 1500 on a real rig n00b or j00 will get p@wn3d in LoL and TF2"
After this there will be no reason left to buy a console.
Plenty of reasons, games and game genres that don't appear on PC, preference for console controls that aren't the 360/Xbox one game pad, preference against using Windows, preference for not having to worry about system requirements/tweaking, one-button-it-just-works-easy-everything, and price.
And that would be an actionable lie. So yeah, that's retarded.
If you closely read the TOS of many ISPs you will find that violating a TOS of a service provider/hack/etc is also considered a violation of the ISP's TOS.
THAT is only useful if you run Steam on Windows. Some of us are NOT fans of Windows.
Yoshi's Island also used the faster FX2 chip, 21.4Mhz instead of the 10.7Mhz of the standard SuperFX chip. SNES DOOM (and some game I've never heard of called "Winter Gold") also uses the FX2.
What makes you think your PlayStation 3, Wii U, or PlayStation 4 console isn't spying on you just as much?
Because if the PlayStation-foo's are, Sony isn't taking very good advantage of it.
I have a PS3, PS4, and Vita. I used to get MORE marketing from SCEA back in the PSone/PS2 days. Nowadays the only e-mail I get from SCEA are the notifications one gets when one buys something from PSN.
Heck, Blizzard sends me more marketing than Sony does.
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I'm not talking about Arabs in Israel proper but the the Palestinians in their own little Israeli occupied and controlled Bantustans.
And Palestinians are also Semites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I think those guys...and yes they are almost ALL young men, should lose their internet connections.
Or failing that, their IP (and voice chat) should be logged, the ISP contacted, and a call made to their location.
"Hello, Smith residence? This is Blizzard, one of the computers at your location was logged as cheating and being a general Internet Fuckwad in our game Overwatch. Here's some of the voice chat"
Blizzard plays bit of homophobic "shitcock" style speech.
"Oh, that's your son? Well doing what your son has been doing is actually against your ISP's TOS....they could cancel your service."
Blizzard rep listens while a modern version of the Christmas Story scene where Schwartz gets punished for supposedly teaching Ralphie the Eff Dash Dash Dash word plays out in the background
Except the millions of people playing shooters on consoles.
The US has this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The sad thing is that might actually be an effective strategy...which says something about the culture of open source mailing lists.