So you're trying to prove that most people don't need to know who to write a program *by writing a program*?
Using the built in features of sed or vim, isn't "programming" "to me."
Now if you were talking about writing bash scripts, now that would be more akin to programming.. And personally I think knowing "scripting" would be more useful to more people than knowing "programming".
For example, if I wanted to check if list of websites were offline or not...I could open them in tabs.....or:
#!/bin/sh for x in $(cat url_list.txt); do
lynx -dump $x | grep -ol "Error 404"; done
That is more akin to a program than my simple usage of sed, but still isn't the same as:
A batch script that extracts all lines from a CSV file containing the string "w00t" could save a single operator hours or days trying to do the same thing with search... copy... paste... search... copy... paste... search... copy... paste... search... copy... paste... search... [ad nauseam].
Who needs a batch script.
sed -i".bak" '/w00t/d' foo.csv
I don't even know sed syntax, all it took was a bit of googling. Looks similar to vim syntax which I am slightly more familiar with. Open up the file in vim and:g/w00t/d
However, I've tried to make my own custom builds of Firefox and it's a nightmare. The build process used by Firefox is so complicated and convoluted, it would make Rube Goldberg laugh.
I once built a Firefox build on a PS2, I had the libs so I could enable a ton of features that the community builds didn't. The process was so horrible I only did it once....and then settled for the community builds even if they lacked gtk2 support (and other things)
I figured out that it was easier to IGNORE most of the build instructions and just do a standard traditional./configure, because setting up a frickin MOZCONFIG that worked was the devil's work.
Much like how Sony mistreated the guy who developed the original Playstation.
Ken Kuturagi, who was batshit insane in his design decisions. Developers complained about the arcane architecture of the PS2 and then he made something even MORE arcane.
Sure they're both extremely powerful for their time in certain ways, but Kuturagi forgot that developers are lazy, especially X86 devs and that they would be unwilling to take the extra measures for the most part.
Or we're gonna have to put up with an i3 with midrange discrete GPUs for the next 10 years as the "it must run on this configuration" system. Just like how we complained the PS3 and Xbox360 were holding back gaming... 4 years ago.
I take it you saw the Alienware Alpha? Maximum PC actually said it competes with current-gen consoles. And you can guess what I thought. "Not at that price ($599) with only a dual core and only 4GB of slow RAM"
The higher end versions are better, of course, but they also cost more.
True, and then hit you with a wrench until you cough up the passphrase, but that is not very likely.
The one I'm typing this on happens to run a tor relay node. How likely do you think it is that it isn't rootkitted, despite religious application of patches and generally following best practices for linux?
Rootkitted? I think that's unlikely, even the NSA isn't omnipotent. But do I think they are monitoring Tor nodes from their own nodes, probably. They'd only rootkit you if they wanted specific data from a specific person-of-interest, I think.
Thanks. I'd forgotten that Slashdot even tracks such things.:)
Yep, you'll have to use the edituser page to change it:
The problem is that when you start using multiple computers/operating-systems it becomes a real PITA.
I hate saying this, but do you "really" need to access your e-mail on more than one machine these days, with the ubiquity of phones and tablets? If you're away from your "home machine", then use the tablet/phone. Android DOES have e-mail clients that support IMAP and gnupg
I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, but there aren't a lot of threat models that thunderbird+gpg protects against that Gmail doesn't. It certainly won't stop the NSA from snooping on your email if they care to.
Sure it will stop the NSA, they can't break pgp/gpg. And the only way to use gpg with gmail is with a client like Thunderbird or Claws-Mail over IMAP/POP3.
And you might want to replace your expired gpg pubkey on slashdot with your current one: the one with Key ID: 55EC123A Key fingerprint = 3665 3E11 22C0 8BCE A16D 1529 08C1 70DE 55EC 123A
The problem is that the browser+javascript is the most ubiquitous platform around. It is also FAR more convenient to use.
It may be ubiquitous, but for security purposes it doesn't work as well as a real client.
I'd love to see a decent FOSS webmail application that supports encryption. The only options that exist right now are pretty weak compared to something like GMail.
Then use Gmail over IMAP with a proper e-mail client that does support encryption. GMail has had IMAP support for over 7 years.
Yes, that's the correct pubkey, Slashdot messed up the formatting of the message, which makes it show a "bad" signature. Sometimes you can't even get a signed message past the lameness filter.
The real problem is that people are using web browsers to read their e-mail instead of a proper e-mail client that already supports the existing standards of pgp and s/mime This yahoo plugin is actually based on google's code for an end to end plugin. It implents pgp.
Considering that very few slashdotters in this discussion have PGP keys posted to slashdot..... I don't think that's too likely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1
The only people who claim they fear that are people who still haven't gotten over the fact that AAA attention was primarily switched to consoles about 10 years ago now and think that by spreading such falsehoods the AAA world will suddenly jump up and switch their allegiance to PC and only PC making it the one true master race gaming platform.
And haven't you noticed that it's the European game sites that run articles like these? Whether Eurogamer and their PC vs console comparisons, or Romania based Softpedia with this one. Europe has always been more PC partisan, partly because of all the @#$@# pirates in eastern Europe. They really don't "understand" "why consoles exist"
I once communicated with a Hungarian online. We talked a bit about gaming. He was a fervent PC Master race sort of guy. He said consoles were for rich kids and said the games cost too much. I couldn't get him to understand how American PC Master Race gamers sometimes call console gamers "welfare gamers" and that games cost the same price on various platforms here in the US. He said the PC was better because piracy was easier and that he pirated games mostly, because he had no money.
And then this fellow told me wanted to be a game developer, but complained that pretty much required a move to the UK or the States, because that was where the money is. To me, that made him a hypocrite. I was thinking "Of course that's where the money is, because Anglophones actually pay for games."
There were games on terminal before there was even the first console or gaming computer or arcade games.
Yes, yes, because they didh't HAVE any other option. Besides the number of people who played games on terminals before things like the Coleco Telstar and Atari pong became mainstream was miniscule. Bunch of bearded unix-heads.
So keyboards came first.
Yes yes, but they're not designed for games, they're designed for text input.
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If you're serious about playing games, you run Windows... or you should... far fewer headaches and just a better overall experience...
My PS4 would like to have a word with you about that "should run Windows" bit.
So you're trying to prove that most people don't need to know who to write a program *by writing a program*?
Using the built in features of sed or vim, isn't "programming" "to me."
Now if you were talking about writing bash scripts, now that would be more akin to programming.. And personally I think knowing "scripting" would be more useful to more people than knowing "programming".
For example, if I wanted to check if list of websites were offline or not...I could open them in tabs.....or:
#!/bin/sh
for x in $(cat url_list.txt);
do
lynx -dump $x | grep -ol "Error 404";
done
That is more akin to a program than my simple usage of sed, but still isn't the same as:
10 print "input name"
20 input a$
30 print "Hello, "a$
A batch script that extracts all lines from a CSV file containing the string "w00t" could save a single operator hours or days trying to do the same thing with search... copy... paste... search... copy... paste... search... copy... paste... search... copy... paste... search... [ad nauseam].
Who needs a batch script.
sed -i".bak" '/w00t/d' foo.csv
I don't even know sed syntax, all it took was a bit of googling. Looks similar to vim syntax which I am slightly more familiar with. Open up the file in vim and :g/w00t/d
Shouldn't the standard version be good enough?
yum install w3c-libwww-apps
However, I've tried to make my own custom builds of Firefox and it's a nightmare. The build process used by Firefox is so complicated and convoluted, it would make Rube Goldberg laugh.
I once built a Firefox build on a PS2, I had the libs so I could enable a ton of features that the community builds didn't. The process was so horrible I only did it once....and then settled for the community builds even if they lacked gtk2 support (and other things)
I figured out that it was easier to IGNORE most of the build instructions and just do a standard traditional ./configure, because setting up a frickin MOZCONFIG that worked was the devil's work.
Makes me miss gopher clients. Maybe we should go back.
gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1
That's an actual gopher link, you'll need something like lynx or the OverbiteFF extension to use it.
Much like how Sony mistreated the guy who developed the original Playstation.
Ken Kuturagi, who was batshit insane in his design decisions. Developers complained about the arcane architecture of the PS2 and then he made something even MORE arcane.
Sure they're both extremely powerful for their time in certain ways, but Kuturagi forgot that developers are lazy, especially X86 devs and that they would be unwilling to take the extra measures for the most part.
PGP isn't idiot proof though.
It's better than it was. And even back when I created my first key back in 2007 (Yeah I'm a johnny-come-lately), I used a GUI to do so.
The average computer user isn't going to follow a tutorial to read a message.
Perhaps, but you only need to do the setup once.
Or we're gonna have to put up with an i3 with midrange discrete GPUs for the next 10 years as the "it must run on this configuration" system. Just like how we complained the PS3 and Xbox360 were holding back gaming... 4 years ago.
I take it you saw the Alienware Alpha? Maximum PC actually said it competes with current-gen consoles. And you can guess what I thought. "Not at that price ($599) with only a dual core and only 4GB of slow RAM"
The higher end versions are better, of course, but they also cost more.
By Your Command.
http://xkcd.com/927/
Google says there is a working Firefox 3 build for Irix.
They can extract the key from my PC though.
True, and then hit you with a wrench until you cough up the passphrase, but that is not very likely.
The one I'm typing this on happens to run a tor relay node. How likely do you think it is that it isn't rootkitted, despite religious application of patches and generally following best practices for linux?
Rootkitted? I think that's unlikely, even the NSA isn't omnipotent. But do I think they are monitoring Tor nodes from their own nodes, probably. They'd only rootkit you if they wanted specific data from a specific person-of-interest, I think.
Thanks. I'd forgotten that Slashdot even tracks such things. :)
Yep, you'll have to use the edituser page to change it:
https://slashdot.org/users.pl?...
The problem is that when you start using multiple computers/operating-systems it becomes a real PITA.
I hate saying this, but do you "really" need to access your e-mail on more than one machine these days, with the ubiquity of phones and tablets? If you're away from your "home machine", then use the tablet/phone. Android DOES have e-mail clients that support IMAP and gnupg
I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, but there aren't a lot of threat models that thunderbird+gpg protects against that Gmail doesn't. It certainly won't stop the NSA from snooping on your email if they care to.
Sure it will stop the NSA, they can't break pgp/gpg. And the only way to use gpg with gmail is with a client like Thunderbird or Claws-Mail over IMAP/POP3.
And you might want to replace your expired gpg pubkey on slashdot with your current one: the one with Key ID: 55EC123A Key fingerprint = 3665 3E11 22C0 8BCE A16D 1529 08C1 70DE 55EC 123A
The problem is that the browser+javascript is the most ubiquitous platform around. It is also FAR more convenient to use.
It may be ubiquitous, but for security purposes it doesn't work as well as a real client.
I'd love to see a decent FOSS webmail application that supports encryption. The only options that exist right now are pretty weak compared to something like GMail.
Then use Gmail over IMAP with a proper e-mail client that does support encryption. GMail has had IMAP support for over 7 years.
Yes, that's the correct pubkey, Slashdot messed up the formatting of the message, which makes it show a "bad" signature. Sometimes you can't even get a signed message past the lameness filter.
Now, an app that works like one of those SecureID fobs, so I'm not dependent on the vagaries of wireless reception?
Doesn't the google auth app (and other OTP based apps) work that way?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
The real problem is that people are using web browsers to read their e-mail instead of a proper e-mail client that already supports the existing standards of pgp and s/mime This yahoo plugin is actually based on google's code for an end to end plugin. It implents pgp.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
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mKU8QLjz60a9cOSU3BoBg9bG2GJacI+1fv6JxNUuV8LaxCwwIBSP/a3TYRRBnZX9
+AW66Oljq/gf7UH+4NxuKxrZ2K2MRYDVi9N57skb8V9MfiK9livZCPNxPvGePpIk
CmCJXa9pHY9+fkIwJeHCbIEPumC5wMcUJcnvOupRbodEFI10oad0Hs0ZJXVwZec=
=xOyc
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
Considering that very few slashdotters in this discussion have PGP keys posted to slashdot..... I don't think that's too likely.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVBtjYAAoJEGgrLreJLenhhRwIALh3Sbcl2UVqx+pji+RCUytv
Yv11qS60cUFD387ITf4CMaxGdLFyOim5Y0XNgrCWQoxtywxidZLFaB5TIfVKE8Tr
Iyq/S9O2B4xCjxbAyhuYmjUfVNCH7renD8HoDn+uSMVLhwKuy3g9vvBwgz8UFJOf
AiLHYGGosJpBs0+rj9tT4e7cukCKJj+RVvduOG5ev84IdoU64bHfr9xkrtofgGJl
W7vV/O6jdzddk4iiLmKodkzdy2W4Y7eKPTSrTsLbJkfnp3bC5AM8oicSmj6R8xGi
+bkmGDDwnhyX50l+jwqQUVGbJjAz0pw17WOLEJ2tLRNLXAAnNeVsawfSGJnvbpg=
=eEN2
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I checked out the link, there was no mention of what kind of encryption they will be implementing.
Actually, one link directly says what kind of encryption:
https://github.com/yahoo/end-t...
Use OpenPGP encryption in Yahoo mail.
Yahoo End-To-End
A fork of Google's End-to-End for Yahoo mail.
and the other link shows it in action:
http://yahoo.tumblr.com/post/1...
If you watch the gif, you can see a PGP code block
Doesn't most of these ransomware things also lock down the machines network connection for anything else other than paying the ransom?
It puts the 5 1/4" floppy in and hears the drive head hammer again.
The gap will never truly be closed until they have a mouse on consoles
We've been able to hook up mice to consoles since what was it? 2000? Where have you been that last 14 years?
thereby allowing people to compete against PC gamers.
Not everyone wants to play deathmatch FPS's thank you very much.
The only people who claim they fear that are people who still haven't gotten over the fact that AAA attention was primarily switched to consoles about 10 years ago now and think that by spreading such falsehoods the AAA world will suddenly jump up and switch their allegiance to PC and only PC making it the one true master race gaming platform.
And haven't you noticed that it's the European game sites that run articles like these? Whether Eurogamer and their PC vs console comparisons, or Romania based Softpedia with this one. Europe has always been more PC partisan, partly because of all the @#$@# pirates in eastern Europe. They really don't "understand" "why consoles exist"
I once communicated with a Hungarian online. We talked a bit about gaming. He was a fervent PC Master race sort of guy. He said consoles were for rich kids and said the games cost too much. I couldn't get him to understand how American PC Master Race gamers sometimes call console gamers "welfare gamers" and that games cost the same price on various platforms here in the US. He said the PC was better because piracy was easier and that he pirated games mostly, because he had no money.
And then this fellow told me wanted to be a game developer, but complained that pretty much required a move to the UK or the States, because that was where the money is. To me, that made him a hypocrite. I was thinking "Of course that's where the money is, because Anglophones actually pay for games."
There were games on terminal before there was even the first console or gaming computer or arcade games.
Yes, yes, because they didh't HAVE any other option. Besides the number of people who played games on terminals before things like the Coleco Telstar and Atari pong became mainstream was miniscule. Bunch of bearded unix-heads.
So keyboards came first.
Yes yes, but they're not designed for games, they're designed for text input.
Of course it affects virtual reality characters, second life users have known this for YEARS.
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2014/...
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2006/...
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/...
http://www.pixelsandpolicy.com...