You missed one possibility, people who are enthusiastic gamers and want to game on a platform that is flat out compiled and optimised for playing games.
Don't we call those consoles?
That's not Linux today, but...if any platform can get there, it's Linux.
Hasn't BSD already got there, since the PS3's "CellOS" is based on BSD (but doesn't use a BSD kernel), and the PS4 uses full fledged fork of FreeBSD 9
I really wish it'd take off because none of the other console makers have been daring enough to work touchpad-style input into a controller, which is the one thing that could bring RTSes and other strategy games to the console successfully
The PS4 controller has a touchpad. The PS4, like the PS3 and PS2 before it, has USB ports for a reason.
But who says RTS's need mice? The first ever RTS was a Sega Genesis title! The only reason they use mice is that they're "designed" that way. It's quite possible to design them so that they don't need them. You really don't need pinpoint accuracy since you're lassoing units.
Heck I've played the PSone port of Red Alert. While it has PSone mouse support, it quite playable without it.
It would also make FPSes bearable to anyone whose ever used a mouse.
Depends on the FPS, slower paced more "tactical" FPS's are fine, faster paced ones benefit more from mice. It just so happens that bunny-hopping/skating/headshot centric FPS's tend to dominate on the PC, so PC gamers have a systemic bias.
I didn't feel the need for a mouse in SOCOM.... but I felt Timesplitters (faster paced) would have benfitted from it.
But it doesn't matter, since FPS's on consoles, can support mice if the developer chooses to do so. If they do, some people gravitate to hybrid setups, using the analog stick for movement, but the mouse for aiming. That works VERY well in the games that support it.
but the analog joystick input is inherently limited
Like nvidia's shield tablet; their tablet, not the shield thingmbob from last year.
it may be a powerful tablet, but it's STILL Android. Which means the problem is the GAMES, not the hardware. I wasn't talking about "just graphics" with my comment about PSP/Vita games compared to Android, but the quality of the games.
What about before PS2 (and I would include PS3 too), when advanced 3D visuals like atmospheric effects and dynamic lighting (remember that Splinter Cell was released in 2002, just about 5 years before PS3 made dynamic lighting possible for console games) would have been impossible on consoles?
Ummm, the first Splinter Cells was on the PS2. Who says the PS2 couldn't do dynamic lighting?
On the mobile front, Linux is already being avenged by the mighty Android.
But NOT for gaming. Sure there's cheap puzzle games and F2P IAP crap, but if you want "good" mobile gaming you need a mobile console like the 3DS and Vita.
Gaming on smartphones and tablets is just taking of and there are enough experts in gaming who've expressed their feeling that the current gen of consoles will be the last.
Smartphone/tablet games aren't the equal of even PSP games, let alone Vita/3DS or the PS3/PS4/Xbox One. It's mostly F2P IAP crap.
My crappy racing wheel controller beats them for driving games, my not-so-crappy flight stick beats them for flying games. My keyboard and mouse beat them for most of the rest.
You do know that you can use those with consoles, right?
What is left is fighting, sports, and platformers, which I don't play.
And ARPG's, RPGs, adventure games, etc etc.
which always require some updates whenever I switch them on.
In other words, you play mostly on PC, so you're not using them enough and the updates build up.
Forget speech recognition, it would be incredible if I could type a conversational style paragraph of instructions and the computer would understand enough to carry them out.
something like:
computer, do the following: start xfce4-terminal, and connect to nethack.alt.org start claws-mail, and check mail Open Firefox to Slashdot;
Attacking a product as immoral And if she wants to go around calling that evil
But she never uses those words herself, does she. She doesn't call games evil or immoral. The ONLY people using those words are people like you who are upset that ANYONE is criticizing "gamer games"
Blame Roddenberry for the annoying earli Ilia...I mean Troi. One of the most hated Troi-centric TNG episodes in Season 2 was a Star Trek Phase II script intended for Lt. Ilia
But the reason I mentioned Sirtis was one of those fan-made trek shows used Sirtis for the computer voice. I thought she did a good job, surprised me.
As Iunderstand it, Depression Quest isn't a game because there isn't really any gameplay. It's more of a multimedia book.
did play a game that was named something about Esther, or at least, I read a multimedia book that was about Esther.
It's a subtype of interactive fiction, and yes they're games, but not the kind of games you're used to, which is why they don't feel like games to you.
I'd be glad if it sent the industry back 20 years so gamers were the ones making games instead of straight businessmen; so either way I guess we win.
What world do you live in where making games hasn't always been "big business" The first video game console was made by TV manufacturer Magnavox! One of Atari's major coups early on was getting Sears to distribute the VCS. There have always been businessmen involved.
Pointing out overused "save the damsel" tropes is NOT attacking gamers. If anything it's "attacking" developers.
threatened to take away some of the features of their games.
She did no such thing.
doing so is an attack on many people's social standing
Maybe those people need to get out of their man-caves/basements more.
On that note, why focus on video games?
My opinion: go after the fashion and cosmetics industries.
Her interest is games. Perhaps you are unaware of this, being a self described gamer, but OTHER people have and are critiquing the fashion and cosmetic industries.
They should have had her record every english phoneme... then they could just synthesize her. It's not a proper talking computer unless it has her voice.
when cable TV first started rolling out, one of the big selling points was "no ads."
You're mistaking the sales pitch for premium channels with the sales pitch for cable as a whole. You're thinking of early marketing for HBO/SHO/MAX/TMC
Cable in general was marketed as "more channels, clear picture"
Antenna might get you 5 or 6 useable channels, here that was:
WCIA 3, CBS Champaign (some slight snow) WILL 12, PBS Urbana WICD 15, NBC Champaign (too snowy most of the time, sometimes couldn't receive at all.) WAND 17, ABC Decatur, (snowy) WHOI 19, ABC Peoria WICS 20, NBC Springfield (snowy) WEEK 25, NBC Peoria WMBD 31, CBS Peoria WYZZ 43, FOX Bloomington (but not till the mid 80's) WTVP 47, PBS Peoria
If one was VERY lucky and conditions were right and it was early morning, one might be able to pick up WGN 9 or WFLD 32 out of Chicago, for an hour or so.
But if you lived in town and had cable, you would get at minimum in order from 2 - 13:
WFLD 32 WCIA 3 Channel 4 was the cable companies camera panning across info boards channel WMAQ 5 WEEK 25 WLS 7 WHOI 19 WGN 9 (REAL WGN, mind you, not that WGN America crap we have now.) WMBD 31 WTTW 11 WILL 12 WBBM 2 (though sometimes WTVP 47 replaced it in that slot)
Once better tech became available and QAM tuners in TV's and cable boxes became more common, that added even MORE channels
When we first got 80's cable, we didn't have a cable-ready set, so we got one of those Archer Radio shack converters that takes cable 14 -83 and converts it to UHF.
The Japanese DID buy out parts of Motorola. My parents both worked at a Motorola TV plant when Moto sold their TV business to Matsushita.
Motorola screwed their workers over, they said their workers could stay with Moto if they wanted, but they would have to apply for jobs at a facility staying Moto, were not guaranteed such jobs, and that Moto would refuse applications from workers unless they relocated (they considered blue collar commuters unreliable workers)....and that there was no relocation assistance available.
If you can call Defender and Stargate, experiments. That's more like an NFL player retiring, starting up a golf career and winning the PGA tour his first year of playing golf.
Midway eventually got the rights to Atari's arcade titles....Gauntlet Legends/Dark Legacy was one of those Blew my mind to hear Sumner say "Midway Games" instead of seeing the proper Atari logo.
having decided to shut down their pinball division instead of either suspending or spinning it off.
That's sad. Does Stern still make pinball? (Googles) YES, yes they do!
You know.. Bally, Midway, Williams and Stern....were all based in Chicago.
The Monkey Island series shows up in the sidebar for me, and the first two links refer are to the wikipedia pages for the first game and the series in general.
The third link is to that monkey island indoor playground in Chicago.
Problem is, in the open source world, people don't like being told what to do. In fact, many open source programmers work on open source so they can choose their itch. So they get upset when told, "we don't need this we need that."
Even users see that sort of reaction when they make suggestions to open source developers with The Gimp and Gaim/pidgin.
Even Stallman says there's nothing wrong in paying someone to fix something in open source.
If I'm going to pay someone to program, then it doesn't matter whether the source is open to me or not, does it. There's no difference to the end user between a closed source program that fills their needs and an open source one t hat does the same thing.
THAT is what some Open Source/FSF zealots don't understand. Since the vast majority of people aren't programmers, the source doesn't matter. Sure a few guys upset that their printer didn't work on their mainframe might, but to the rest of us... The free as in beer matters more than the free as in speech.
Hell, I'd lay odds Torvald's real reason for creating Linux was not just to get past the limitations of Minix, but because he wanted a Unix on his own machine and he couldn't afford Xenix!
I was lucky enough to be able to retire (mostly) just after my 50th birthday, and let me tell you, my skills have since gone through the roof.
Lucky guy. I'm not the greatest gamer, but I have found when I watch game streams on twitch/ustream I do a similar thing to the sports fans screaming at the TV.
"Gaaaah! Why haven't you secured your minecraft build spot, that creeper showed up because you don't have torches and walls up! Why are you heading out into that forest at NIGHT! Build a tree farm inside walls so you can get wood safely 24/7. GAAAAH DON"T eat apples, save them!"
Now, my main problem is that I play at a time when most people near me are working, so most of the gamers I encounter are half a world away. Thankfully, broadband speeds are such that it hasn't been too much of a problem.
Ditto, I work overnights so I usually play at times that are non-primetime US. I'm 47 myself. I don't do PC games much, other than Second Life and a bit of Star Trek Online now and then, I do my gaming on the PS3/PS4/Vita.
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You missed one possibility, people who are enthusiastic gamers and want to game on a platform that is flat out compiled and optimised for playing games.
Don't we call those consoles?
That's not Linux today, but...if any platform can get there, it's Linux.
Hasn't BSD already got there, since the PS3's "CellOS" is based on BSD (but doesn't use a BSD kernel), and the PS4 uses full fledged fork of FreeBSD 9
"Some" easier probably, but the PS4 doesn't use OpenGL but GNM and GNMX
I really wish it'd take off because none of the other console makers have been daring enough to work touchpad-style input into a controller, which is the one thing that could bring RTSes and other strategy games to the console successfully
The PS4 controller has a touchpad. The PS4, like the PS3 and PS2 before it, has USB ports for a reason.
But who says RTS's need mice? The first ever RTS was a Sega Genesis title! The only reason they use mice is that they're "designed" that way. It's quite possible to design them so that they don't need them. You really don't need pinpoint accuracy since you're lassoing units.
Heck I've played the PSone port of Red Alert. While it has PSone mouse support, it quite playable without it.
It would also make FPSes bearable to anyone whose ever used a mouse.
Depends on the FPS, slower paced more "tactical" FPS's are fine, faster paced ones benefit more from mice. It just so happens that bunny-hopping/skating/headshot centric FPS's tend to dominate on the PC, so PC gamers have a systemic bias.
I didn't feel the need for a mouse in SOCOM.... but I felt Timesplitters (faster paced) would have benfitted from it.
But it doesn't matter, since FPS's on consoles, can support mice if the developer chooses to do so. If they do, some people gravitate to hybrid setups, using the analog stick for movement, but the mouse for aiming. That works VERY well in the games that support it.
but the analog joystick input is inherently limited
digital WASD is inherently limited.
Like nvidia's shield tablet; their tablet, not the shield thingmbob from last year.
it may be a powerful tablet, but it's STILL Android. Which means the problem is the GAMES, not the hardware. I wasn't talking about "just graphics" with my comment about PSP/Vita games compared to Android, but the quality of the games.
What about before PS2 (and I would include PS3 too), when advanced 3D visuals like atmospheric effects and dynamic lighting (remember that Splinter Cell was released in 2002, just about 5 years before PS3 made dynamic lighting possible for console games) would have been impossible on consoles?
Ummm, the first Splinter Cells was on the PS2. Who says the PS2 couldn't do dynamic lighting?
http://www.gamespot.com/articl...
On the mobile front, Linux is already being avenged by the mighty Android.
But NOT for gaming. Sure there's cheap puzzle games and F2P IAP crap, but if you want "good" mobile gaming you need a mobile console like the 3DS and Vita.
Gaming on smartphones and tablets is just taking of and there are enough experts in gaming who've expressed their feeling that the current gen of consoles will be the last.
Smartphone/tablet games aren't the equal of even PSP games, let alone Vita/3DS or the PS3/PS4/Xbox One. It's mostly F2P IAP crap.
My crappy racing wheel controller beats them for driving games, my not-so-crappy flight stick beats them for flying games. My keyboard and mouse beat them for most of the rest.
You do know that you can use those with consoles, right?
What is left is fighting, sports, and platformers, which I don't play.
And ARPG's, RPGs, adventure games, etc etc.
which always require some updates whenever I switch them on.
In other words, you play mostly on PC, so you're not using them enough and the updates build up.
Forget speech recognition, it would be incredible if I could type a conversational style paragraph of instructions and the computer would understand enough to carry them out.
something like:
computer, do the following:
start xfce4-terminal, and connect to nethack.alt.org
start claws-mail, and check mail
Open Firefox to Slashdot;
#!/bin/sh
exec xfce4-terminal -e 'telnet -8 nethack.alt.org'&
exec claws-mail --receive-all&
exec firefox --new-tab http://slashdot.org/
Admittedly it's not natural language.
Attacking a product as immoral
And if she wants to go around calling that evil
But she never uses those words herself, does she. She doesn't call games evil or immoral. The ONLY people using those words are people like you who are upset that ANYONE is criticizing "gamer games"
Blame Roddenberry for the annoying earli Ilia...I mean Troi. One of the most hated Troi-centric TNG episodes in Season 2 was a Star Trek Phase II script intended for Lt. Ilia
But the reason I mentioned Sirtis was one of those fan-made trek shows used Sirtis for the computer voice. I thought she did a good job, surprised me.
http://www.startrekcontinues.c...
They are however not doing that they are telling us we are having 'wrong bad fun' and that we need to stop.
No one is doing that. If anything Anita's criticism of tropes is criticism of game designers, not gamers.
As Iunderstand it, Depression Quest isn't a game because there isn't really any gameplay. It's more of a multimedia book.
did play a game that was named something about Esther, or at least, I read a multimedia book that was about Esther.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V...
It's a subtype of interactive fiction, and yes they're games, but not the kind of games you're used to, which is why they don't feel like games to you.
They're more popular in Japan.
I'd be glad if it sent the industry back 20 years so gamers were the ones making games instead of straight businessmen; so either way I guess we win.
What world do you live in where making games hasn't always been "big business" The first video game console was made by TV manufacturer Magnavox! One of Atari's major coups early on was getting Sears to distribute the VCS. There have always been businessmen involved.
She attacked millions of gamers
Pointing out overused "save the damsel" tropes is NOT attacking gamers. If anything it's "attacking" developers.
threatened to take away some of the features of their games.
She did no such thing.
doing so is an attack on many people's social standing
Maybe those people need to get out of their man-caves/basements more.
On that note, why focus on video games?
My opinion: go after the fashion and cosmetics industries.
Her interest is games. Perhaps you are unaware of this, being a self described gamer, but OTHER people have and are critiquing the fashion and cosmetic industries.
They should have had her record every english phoneme... then they could just synthesize her. It's not a proper talking computer unless it has her voice.
Or failing that, just get Marina Sirtis.
As far as I know, useradd has had that ability since what? I know RH6 had it.
when cable TV first started rolling out, one of the big selling points was "no ads."
You're mistaking the sales pitch for premium channels with the sales pitch for cable as a whole. You're thinking of early marketing for HBO/SHO/MAX/TMC
Cable in general was marketed as "more channels, clear picture"
Antenna might get you 5 or 6 useable channels, here that was:
WCIA 3, CBS Champaign (some slight snow)
WILL 12, PBS Urbana
WICD 15, NBC Champaign (too snowy most of the time, sometimes couldn't receive at all.)
WAND 17, ABC Decatur, (snowy)
WHOI 19, ABC Peoria
WICS 20, NBC Springfield (snowy)
WEEK 25, NBC Peoria
WMBD 31, CBS Peoria
WYZZ 43, FOX Bloomington (but not till the mid 80's)
WTVP 47, PBS Peoria
If one was VERY lucky and conditions were right and it was early morning, one might be able to pick up WGN 9 or WFLD 32 out of Chicago, for an hour or so.
But if you lived in town and had cable, you would get at minimum in order from 2 - 13:
WFLD 32
WCIA 3
Channel 4 was the cable companies camera panning across info boards channel
WMAQ 5
WEEK 25
WLS 7
WHOI 19
WGN 9 (REAL WGN, mind you, not that WGN America crap we have now.)
WMBD 31
WTTW 11
WILL 12
WBBM 2 (though sometimes WTVP 47 replaced it in that slot)
Once better tech became available and QAM tuners in TV's and cable boxes became more common, that added even MORE channels
When we first got 80's cable, we didn't have a cable-ready set, so we got one of those Archer Radio shack converters that takes cable 14 -83 and converts it to UHF.
The Japanese DID buy out parts of Motorola. My parents both worked at a Motorola TV plant when Moto sold their TV business to Matsushita.
Motorola screwed their workers over, they said their workers could stay with Moto if they wanted, but they would have to apply for jobs at a facility staying Moto, were not guaranteed such jobs, and that Moto would refuse applications from workers unless they relocated (they considered blue collar commuters unreliable workers)....and that there was no relocation assistance available.
Williams experimented with arcade games
If you can call Defender and Stargate, experiments. That's more like an NFL player retiring, starting up a golf career and winning the PGA tour his first year of playing golf.
Midway eventually got the rights to Atari's arcade titles....Gauntlet Legends/Dark Legacy was one of those Blew my mind to hear Sumner say "Midway Games" instead of seeing the proper Atari logo.
having decided to shut down their pinball division instead of either suspending or spinning it off.
That's sad. Does Stern still make pinball? (Googles) YES, yes they do!
You know.. Bally, Midway, Williams and Stern....were all based in Chicago.
The Monkey Island series shows up in the sidebar for me, and the first two links refer are to the wikipedia pages for the first game and the series in general.
The third link is to that monkey island indoor playground in Chicago.
sudo yum install alpine
Skype-call-recorder:
http://atdot.ch/scr/download/
Problem is, in the open source world, people don't like being told what to do. In fact, many open source programmers work on open source so they can choose their itch. So they get upset when told, "we don't need this we need that."
Even users see that sort of reaction when they make suggestions to open source developers with The Gimp and Gaim/pidgin.
Even Stallman says there's nothing wrong in paying someone to fix something in open source.
If I'm going to pay someone to program, then it doesn't matter whether the source is open to me or not, does it. There's no difference to the end user between a closed source program that fills their needs and an open source one t hat does the same thing.
THAT is what some Open Source/FSF zealots don't understand. Since the vast majority of people aren't programmers, the source doesn't matter. Sure a few guys upset that their printer didn't work on their mainframe might, but to the rest of us... The free as in beer matters more than the free as in speech.
Hell, I'd lay odds Torvald's real reason for creating Linux was not just to get past the limitations of Minix, but because he wanted a Unix on his own machine and he couldn't afford Xenix!
I was lucky enough to be able to retire (mostly) just after my 50th birthday, and let me tell you, my skills have since gone through the roof.
Lucky guy. I'm not the greatest gamer, but I have found when I watch game streams on twitch/ustream I do a similar thing to the sports fans screaming at the TV.
"Gaaaah! Why haven't you secured your minecraft build spot, that creeper showed up because you don't have torches and walls up! Why are you heading out into that forest at NIGHT! Build a tree farm inside walls so you can get wood safely 24/7. GAAAAH DON"T eat apples, save them!"
Now, my main problem is that I play at a time when most people near me are working, so most of the gamers I encounter are half a world away. Thankfully, broadband speeds are such that it hasn't been too much of a problem.
Ditto, I work overnights so I usually play at times that are non-primetime US. I'm 47 myself. I don't do PC games much, other than Second Life and a bit of Star Trek Online now and then, I do my gaming on the PS3/PS4/Vita.