I'll be honest, I'd rather have it that way. I understand that investment into education makes for better citizens but I think there is a point that the state should let that go. And even though my tuition is noticeably higher than yours I'm sure it's still subsidized.
I hate to see tax payers get the bill for something that benefits the few like colleges and universities do. Especially since so many drop out of college without getting a degree. It's wasted tax payer funding. Scholarships or tuition reimbursement would be a much better system.
6 unit? Do you mean credits or is this a non-accredited course?
Either way, the bottom line is that not all community colleges are cheap. To dismiss it because it's cheap for you doesn't help me make my case. I say that if this institute can pull it off for the prices they claim and offer an education up to whatever state standards you might have that they should do it. There are tons of skilled worked working for unskilled wages because they don't have a degree. It's just another possibility to proving your worth to the market.
I hate to break it to you but that must have been some pretty sweet times. Today my closest community college charges about 95 USD per credit and if you need to see what a text book costs go to Amazon.
While this is a good point there are many more ways to do this. There is tons of legal bribery that goes on in the government in the way of earmarks that the American public is more than willing to wink at. Why not clean up the government and cut out *their* loopholes to wasting *our* money and come back to the table after the dust has settled?
We really need political upheaval or we'll be saying the same thing 10 years from now with just a larger debt on our backs. We need to break ourselves from this cyclical system of blaming one side and voting the other in, getting tired of them in a few years and voting back in the other side that fucked things up just a few years earlier.
Do you know how much the technology rights will be worth if they get this thing working? 21 billion doubtlessly includes R&D. Their return will be fantastic if they get it right.
For me it was a question of add ins. I stuck with Firefox because of XMarks/FoxMarks. It's still not available for Opera but they do have an IE add in for it and I'll probably take more interest in seeing how IE8 does since it has this add in.
I will say that Opera Mobile is the best thing to hit the Windows Mobile platform in some time.
Being a Pittsburgh suburbanite I can tell you why...
I once looked into the bus system to get me back and forth to college. This college is about 30 miles from where I live in the most direct street route possible. Do you know how long it would take to get to using a bus? About 2 hours. This isn't taking into consideration that:
The nearest bus stop is about 20-30 minutes from my home (on foot)
The bus isn't going to arrive just as my class starts.
The bus isn't going to be there just as my class ends.
No weekend service.
The latest the bus runs up to my home town is 10pm. That means no classes after 8 pm. That means no night school. I'm a working guy.
Put all of this together and my best case scenario using public transportation it would take me about 5 hours a day to get from my doorstep to were I am going to/from. This doesn't include all the other times I would be spent waiting on a bus before and after class. Work was no different except that it was faster to get there. Even in that case I would have shown up to work 45 minutes early and not been able to get home until 3 hours after work. 4 hours of standing around versus driving myself? I'll drive myself. Public transportation for suburbanites is abysmal.
If you honestly don't think the left sees things from the same light than you have some serious blinders on. Sorry pal, it goes around every political ideology.
As I recall under Bush the same claims were being made from the left:
The silencing of bloggers, censorship of foreign medias, control of a global economy who's key producers weren't under any American control.
to
Not being able to run a war effectively, mismanagement of the Federal Reserve System, No Child Left Behind being a failure*, Medicare being a failure, etc etc etc.
And actually I tend to agree with both sides on some of this and neither on others. I might be a conservative but I'm not a simpleton party stooge.
*Oddly the left screams this until it came to Ted Kennedy and then it was suddenly key legislation for the future of the United States.
Who said anything about free speech or privacy? I'm talking about the government's ability to shut down a private network.
And I did talk about the intervening steps ("This could lead to additions to ISP that would allow the government to lock all private user accounts, throttle bandwidth and/or throw domestic web servers off the grid."). It's your reply that's shaky.
So now all that power that the Republican congress granted to Bush now belongs to Obama.
Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting what you've said here but sadly it seems that both "sides" of politics are taking great delight in seeing the other "side" get beat up while not giving fuck all about the citizen that the government is meant to serve.
Two party politics just give me that warm fuzzy feeling inside. I think people who see things this way should be driven into the middle of some field, dress up in blue and red, be given muskets and forced to fight each other to the death. Maybe that will solve some problems.
What difference would it make who it comes from? Seriously, what has changed as far as civil rights since the days of GWB? Why is it that we still have people (who should know better) thinking that the change of the administration brought on a new age of civil liberties?
The big legislation of the Bush administration is still firmly in place. Gitmo may be on it's way out but the prisoners are still prisoners. The skies haven't opened up and manna hasn't fallen. Not by a long shot.
Even if (and I do mean "if" at this point) Obama and crew pass this for the purest of reasons there is no saying what the next one in office will do. The first step to defending liberty is not giving them the tools to take it away.
Furthermore, I think people are fooling themselves into thinking one party is the champion of all that is good and right. We've seen numerous administrations on both sides fuck with the rights of the people but most of us are far too easy to calm back into a deep sleep.
You simple can't just "Turn it off" which is what many people are fearing.
You obviously don't know the US government.
While I agree that what you have posted of the bill looks pretty harmless this could be the beginning of a new slippery slope. This could lead to additions to ISP that would allow the government to lock all private user accounts, throttle bandwidth and/or throw domestic web servers off the grid.
We've seen legislation passed with open ended restrictions and it's a scary to think what can happen from administration to administration with no more than a decree from one man. And with both the legislative and executive branch being under the control of one party it makes it all the worse.
While I don't think it will pass I don't want to find out the hard way.
Actually this is done to keep things in a neat category so that finding a general subject doesn't turn into looking through a card catalog at the Library of Congress.
This is the same reason that chess news is covered in sports. It's not a real sport but who the hell wants to have 72 subdivision of the news?
Amazing how these things get modded up and I'm told to find information by searching with Google but am asked to cite something. No offense, it's just odd that people who are skeptical about what I know are the same ones telling me that I can find the data on Google. It just amazes me. Oddly enough I also find it ironic that in this case we're also discussing the poor state of education.
And how are we going to develop a more competent populace when we keep cutting funding for public education?
Actually the amount we're spending per student is going up. So the real question is how are we going to create a more competent populace when all we do is keep throwing money at the problem?
Sorry that there isn't a workshop stocked with lawyers so that anyone with an idea can run off and get the patent. You have to invest in yourself in this system.
The fact of the matter is that those who invent should have legal protection to reap the rewards instead of having do nothings take as they please. You've got to be fast. You need to step up to the challenge instead of waiting for opportunity to find you.
Even with your rant against the patent system I'm just as optimistic about the system. Those who invest themselves should gain reward for their work. Those who sit on their duff hoping that they get a chance to get ahead are left behind by design. This isn't random chance and it's still the best system I've ever seen in action. If you have a better one feel free to mention it. We're all ears.
All I'm really saying is that those who develop a technology should be allowed to get some benefit out of it. That was my social commentary.
And being rich doesn't mean that you can't help a large group of people. There are tons of win-win situations in technology. If I need to list some for you'll I'd have to first ask you to hand in your geek card.
So this is the best usage for this technology they can find?
They're the ones paying the bills. I know, how capitalistic of me. But that's the system in play.
How about changing 300lb university textbooks into paper thin alternatives? Updating libraries to use this new technology, increasing the life of the books... etc etc
Fantastic ideas. How soon can we expect for you to get the betas out? The great thing about capitalism is that if think this is a good idea for the technology you can make a play at being one of the first ones to market with the product. Why are you waiting for someone else to take up the cause? If you're waiting for the government to take the lead, which I'm guessing you are by slighting capitalism, you are going to have a long wait.
Capitalism has a really cruddy underside because someone has to lose for someone else to win but it's also this same reason that people step up to challenges such as this. Having an incentive to produce has worked out pretty well. You can still champion the idea if you want to do it for "ethical" reasons and give your profits away. No one is stopping you.
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At that point the thief won't care. Stolen property is a problem to those who buy it, not those who sell it.
I'll be honest, I'd rather have it that way. I understand that investment into education makes for better citizens but I think there is a point that the state should let that go. And even though my tuition is noticeably higher than yours I'm sure it's still subsidized.
I hate to see tax payers get the bill for something that benefits the few like colleges and universities do. Especially since so many drop out of college without getting a degree. It's wasted tax payer funding. Scholarships or tuition reimbursement would be a much better system.
6 unit? Do you mean credits or is this a non-accredited course?
Either way, the bottom line is that not all community colleges are cheap. To dismiss it because it's cheap for you doesn't help me make my case. I say that if this institute can pull it off for the prices they claim and offer an education up to whatever state standards you might have that they should do it. There are tons of skilled worked working for unskilled wages because they don't have a degree. It's just another possibility to proving your worth to the market.
I hate to break it to you but that must have been some pretty sweet times. Today my closest community college charges about 95 USD per credit and if you need to see what a text book costs go to Amazon.
While this is a good point there are many more ways to do this. There is tons of legal bribery that goes on in the government in the way of earmarks that the American public is more than willing to wink at. Why not clean up the government and cut out *their* loopholes to wasting *our* money and come back to the table after the dust has settled?
We really need political upheaval or we'll be saying the same thing 10 years from now with just a larger debt on our backs. We need to break ourselves from this cyclical system of blaming one side and voting the other in, getting tired of them in a few years and voting back in the other side that fucked things up just a few years earlier.
Do you know how much the technology rights will be worth if they get this thing working? 21 billion doubtlessly includes R&D. Their return will be fantastic if they get it right.
Foxmarks predates that. Sorry, I've already found my solution. I don't need another one.
For me it was a question of add ins. I stuck with Firefox because of XMarks/FoxMarks. It's still not available for Opera but they do have an IE add in for it and I'll probably take more interest in seeing how IE8 does since it has this add in.
I will say that Opera Mobile is the best thing to hit the Windows Mobile platform in some time.
I took an easier route. I drive myself. Why should I have to do what you think is best for my life?
Such an presumptuous society we live in. I guess some people really don't get the point.
I once looked into the bus system to get me back and forth to college. This college is about 30 miles from where I live in the most direct street route possible. Do you know how long it would take to get to using a bus? About 2 hours. This isn't taking into consideration that:
Put all of this together and my best case scenario using public transportation it would take me about 5 hours a day to get from my doorstep to were I am going to/from. This doesn't include all the other times I would be spent waiting on a bus before and after class. Work was no different except that it was faster to get there. Even in that case I would have shown up to work 45 minutes early and not been able to get home until 3 hours after work. 4 hours of standing around versus driving myself? I'll drive myself. Public transportation for suburbanites is abysmal.
If you honestly don't think the left sees things from the same light than you have some serious blinders on. Sorry pal, it goes around every political ideology.
As I recall under Bush the same claims were being made from the left:
The silencing of bloggers, censorship of foreign medias, control of a global economy who's key producers weren't under any American control.
to
Not being able to run a war effectively, mismanagement of the Federal Reserve System, No Child Left Behind being a failure*, Medicare being a failure, etc etc etc.
And actually I tend to agree with both sides on some of this and neither on others. I might be a conservative but I'm not a simpleton party stooge.
*Oddly the left screams this until it came to Ted Kennedy and then it was suddenly key legislation for the future of the United States.
Who said anything about free speech or privacy? I'm talking about the government's ability to shut down a private network.
And I did talk about the intervening steps ("This could lead to additions to ISP that would allow the government to lock all private user accounts, throttle bandwidth and/or throw domestic web servers off the grid."). It's your reply that's shaky.
So now all that power that the Republican congress granted to Bush now belongs to Obama.
Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting what you've said here but sadly it seems that both "sides" of politics are taking great delight in seeing the other "side" get beat up while not giving fuck all about the citizen that the government is meant to serve.
Two party politics just give me that warm fuzzy feeling inside. I think people who see things this way should be driven into the middle of some field, dress up in blue and red, be given muskets and forced to fight each other to the death. Maybe that will solve some problems.
What difference would it make who it comes from? Seriously, what has changed as far as civil rights since the days of GWB? Why is it that we still have people (who should know better) thinking that the change of the administration brought on a new age of civil liberties?
The big legislation of the Bush administration is still firmly in place. Gitmo may be on it's way out but the prisoners are still prisoners. The skies haven't opened up and manna hasn't fallen. Not by a long shot.
Even if (and I do mean "if" at this point) Obama and crew pass this for the purest of reasons there is no saying what the next one in office will do. The first step to defending liberty is not giving them the tools to take it away.
Furthermore, I think people are fooling themselves into thinking one party is the champion of all that is good and right. We've seen numerous administrations on both sides fuck with the rights of the people but most of us are far too easy to calm back into a deep sleep.
You simple can't just "Turn it off" which is what many people are fearing.
You obviously don't know the US government.
While I agree that what you have posted of the bill looks pretty harmless this could be the beginning of a new slippery slope. This could lead to additions to ISP that would allow the government to lock all private user accounts, throttle bandwidth and/or throw domestic web servers off the grid.
We've seen legislation passed with open ended restrictions and it's a scary to think what can happen from administration to administration with no more than a decree from one man. And with both the legislative and executive branch being under the control of one party it makes it all the worse.
While I don't think it will pass I don't want to find out the hard way.
Does that mean that the moon is a witch? Or is it a duck?
No! This is proof that life once existed on the moon. A great find.
Actually this is done to keep things in a neat category so that finding a general subject doesn't turn into looking through a card catalog at the Library of Congress.
This is the same reason that chess news is covered in sports. It's not a real sport but who the hell wants to have 72 subdivision of the news?
Here you go.
and as a cross reference
Amazing how these things get modded up and I'm told to find information by searching with Google but am asked to cite something. No offense, it's just odd that people who are skeptical about what I know are the same ones telling me that I can find the data on Google. It just amazes me. Oddly enough I also find it ironic that in this case we're also discussing the poor state of education.
And how are we going to develop a more competent populace when we keep cutting funding for public education?
Actually the amount we're spending per student is going up. So the real question is how are we going to create a more competent populace when all we do is keep throwing money at the problem?
most third party vendors are mere gnats on the backs of those wildebeests.
He is Vigo! You are like the buzzing of flies to him!
Sorry, had to do it.
I can't think of a government program that doesn't have the same "cruddy underside".
I wouldn't disagree with this either. I feel that government dickering is part of the problem.
Sorry that there isn't a workshop stocked with lawyers so that anyone with an idea can run off and get the patent. You have to invest in yourself in this system.
The fact of the matter is that those who invent should have legal protection to reap the rewards instead of having do nothings take as they please. You've got to be fast. You need to step up to the challenge instead of waiting for opportunity to find you.
Even with your rant against the patent system I'm just as optimistic about the system. Those who invest themselves should gain reward for their work. Those who sit on their duff hoping that they get a chance to get ahead are left behind by design. This isn't random chance and it's still the best system I've ever seen in action. If you have a better one feel free to mention it. We're all ears.
All I'm really saying is that those who develop a technology should be allowed to get some benefit out of it. That was my social commentary.
And being rich doesn't mean that you can't help a large group of people. There are tons of win-win situations in technology. If I need to list some for you'll I'd have to first ask you to hand in your geek card.
So this is the best usage for this technology they can find?
They're the ones paying the bills. I know, how capitalistic of me. But that's the system in play.
How about changing 300lb university textbooks into paper thin alternatives? Updating libraries to use this new technology, increasing the life of the books... etc etc
Fantastic ideas. How soon can we expect for you to get the betas out? The great thing about capitalism is that if think this is a good idea for the technology you can make a play at being one of the first ones to market with the product. Why are you waiting for someone else to take up the cause? If you're waiting for the government to take the lead, which I'm guessing you are by slighting capitalism, you are going to have a long wait.
Capitalism has a really cruddy underside because someone has to lose for someone else to win but it's also this same reason that people step up to challenges such as this. Having an incentive to produce has worked out pretty well. You can still champion the idea if you want to do it for "ethical" reasons and give your profits away. No one is stopping you.