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Opera 10.0 Released
neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."
But does it run on Linux?
They might not have announced it, but if i click "check for updates", i get that version 10.0 is available...
I am finding it to be a lot snappier than firefox and chrome. Does opera use the same code base for their mobile and desktop browsers? That may explain the low memory and CPU usage.
It is a joke of a browser. Just use the industry standard: Internet Explorer. It's fast and extremely secure.
Can it correctly render Slashdot now? Seems like an obvious enough test to me... but O9 can't seem to do it out of the box.
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Opera 10 final was announced on twitter over 6 hours ago. http://twitter.com/opera
Am I the only one who realizes that the #/100 on the ACID3 test is not the number of tests completed and that it isn't a score? It should be the number of tests -started-. Like the ACID1 and ACID2 tests, it's either correct or it isn't.
I use Opera all the time, but it has issues printing a lot of stuff. Of course it always had is issues rendering many pages too. The UI is the reason I use it though. It is far and away better than the rest.
Does it support plugins yet? No, then who cares....
Imagine if you weren't allowed to use roads because a bus company complained about your driving 3 times. --skunkpussy
Why do they still bother wrapping their own toolkit with the obsolete Qt3 on unixes/linuxes/solarixses(/othersexes?)?
...appears to be slashdotted at the moment, I'd agree that there has technically been no official announcement. It's kind of a "if a tree falls in the forest" situation.
I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share... I have been using Opera as my main browser for about 2 years, and I believe that once you get used to it you can never go back..
I won't be going to upgrade to version 10, I tried the beta recently and I was far from impressed.
I will stay with version 9 for a while longer.
Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
Why do they still bother wrapping their own obsolete toolkit with the obsolete Qt3 on unixes/linuxes/solarixes(/othersexes?)?
My example: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/
The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.
Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."
I'm sure both Opera users are ecstatic ;)
That's what I used to think. Then I decided to lighten up a bit, and give it a shot. Then I realised I shouldn't have. Opera is very incompatible, even compared to Konqueror.
Opera has a new version? I mean, don't get me wrong. She's been an incredible role model to African Americans and Women alike. Her show is one of the most watched television programs, and she's worth a lot of money. Not to mention that she hides some pretty cool schwag under her live audience's chairs.
Her current format works for the network. Why would she spin it into "Opera 10.0"? That sounds so silly.
1. Is it possible to configure Opera so that tabs behave like in FireFox? The default behavior of Opera after closing a tab to always switch to previously open tab. That totally messes up my workflow when I work with sites like Bugzilla.
2. Is it possible to tell Opera when restoring tabs during start-up to fetch them from net, not from cache? FireFox 3.5 does the same and it is also impossible to turn off. That gave me couple of time already the shock - WTF!? AGAIN???? IMPOSSIBLE!?!?!? - caused mainly by a browser showing me an outdated version of a intranet web page. It's really not the best way to start Mondays.
As FireFox more and more evolves into a "better browser for your mom", it seems that after 10+ years using Mozilla, I have to finally say goodbye. Opera is a great candidate, but the minor perks prevent it from being usable to me.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
Apparently they figured the release was important enough for a full-blown trailer as well ;-)
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Mine's a pint of ESB if you please.
Seriously, the modern day Mini is to Real Mini fans a Bavarian Impostor. The firmly beleive that Alec Issigonis (designer of the original) would be turning in his grave at what BMW have done with it.
Personally, I think he would appreciate the modern take of his classic. The original car never made any money for BL, Leyland, Rover etc. This one does make money for BMW.
And no, I don't own or drive either types.
I'd rather be riding my '63 Triumph T120.
...only months after the WebKit-browsers (Safari etc.)
...and Opera 10 has changed the appearance of at least one crucial CSS item since the most recent version of Opera 9, which, in this specific aspect, conformed to and rendered identical to Safari 3 and 4, Firefox 2 and 3 and even IE 6, 7 and 8.
Opera 10 now features a broken "line-height" CSS behavior, both in terms of how all other renderers behave, and in terms of what the WC3 specifies. Well done.
As soon as I started mine, an alert popped up an asked if I wanted to download a new one.
Is Acid3 really still a useful test now that browser vendors will specifically tweak their software to pass it?
It's like those idiots who practice IQ tests in order to attain Mensa membership.
It is taking forever to download. Why can't both Opera users stagger their downloads?
Is it still closed source?
It's obvious why this is moded troll, however i believe you have a point.
Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
Works fine in Safari 4.0.3 on Mac OS X 10.5.8: the rectangular "watermelon" smoothly resizes both horizontally and vertically whether I make the window smaller or larger.
But I do see the bug in Opera 10.00. If I shrink the window vertically (and only vertically) then the watermelon shrinks in jumps or falls behind and brings up a vertical scrollbar. If I enlarge the window vertically, then the watermelon stays at whatever size it was before. Even a pixel of resizing horizontally forces a refresh to the proper dimensions.
When Installing on Fedora 10, I get a "Missing Security Certificate" warning.
I hate seeing shit like that. It gives me the creeps.
while i agree this sucks on opera's part, you can make a similar observation of a rendering problem of similar implications and proportions in trident, mozilla, and webkit
they all have fixes they need to make. opera is no worse or no better
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Unless I am missing something, they haven't brought Unite into the proper release yet. Maybe their attempt to reinvent the web isn't going according to plan?
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
C'mon, some of us can't use Linux and are forced to use Windows here. Give US a link too!
Opera has had the ability to block ads and other content for as long as I can remember, long before Firefox itself even existed. All that is required is for one to install a simple .ini file into Opera's user profile directory. The file must be updated manually, but it is simple enough to write a script to automatically download the new file every so often. It may not be as powerful or user-friendly as AdBlock Plus, but it works, and works well.
I have been using Opera since Opera version 4 ish - still prefer it above all others and have tried all the rest, but it is still faster, better layout, and more customizable to my taste than any other option. It also wins completely on GUI speed, and on keyboard navigation.
Just started with 10 now, and Opera still has it.
When I do web development, and want "inspect this" element and a browse-able dom tree - I use Firefox. To do layout checking and rendering checking, we fire up both Safari and IE. But for day to day, with 20-50 tabs open, browsing around... Opera is the one that works best.
ALREADY one new feature I LOVE: inline spell checking while I write! (This was one thing I wanted but it took a while for Opera to catch up to FF, and had to add a JavaScript user-side spell checker.)
Some basic functionality form the canvas API (text rendering functions) is still missing. Oh, and it doesn't alpha blend on drawImage, doing alpha testing instead. The result is kind of painful to look at.
The other problem I have with Opera is the slow javascript engine (my webapp does some lifting on the client side, Opera performs it the second slowest, Internet Explorer being the only worse browser in this area.)
Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.
But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )
There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma
The EU is intervening in the browser market to protect Opera, does that mean that Opera will be forced to publish their source code? Are they going to use eminent domain to expropriate the code for IE?
Recent versions have become increasingly brittle. In the "final" version (at least for linux), it's got a showstopper bug that causes it to spin in a loop anytime the cpu gets busy, causing it to eat up even more cpu time. This is nowhere near ready for release.
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My little unpublicized page distorts on Opera too but few of the other browsers.
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opera has a adblocker since about version 5... :P)
it can filter url patterns like http://adverts.* etc.
preconfigured filters can be found on the internets, mine grew with the years and i cant live without it.
since about version 8 oder 9 you can specify them with the gui by clicking on the banners you wanna block. as decribed here: http://help.opera.com/Windows/9.00/en/contentblock.html (lets slashdot them even more
They managed to break some basic functionality in the release. For example, <a ... target="_blank"> doesn't work as expected and opens the link in the same window. The funny thing is that was okay in the betas. Oh, and they dare speak about some acid test or html5? Ridiculous.
Why did cmdrtaco link to the debian binaries folder instead of say their website or an article about the release?
Still no VIDEO tag? (or at least I can't find it in the release notes?)
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Microsoft says it will feed the poor when you download their latest browser. Can Opera do that? Thought so!!
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A 100/100 however does *not* indicate a pass, browsers need to pass all the tests at over 30fps to pass the whole test.
Only when running on a MacBook Pro, according to Hixie. Phones and netbooks with lesser CPUs need not run at 30 fps to pass, according to WaSP.
I'm ready to free my system, but it hasn't asked yet.
http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9
Works for Opera 8 to 10.
I remember trying Opera several years ago, and while I liked the performance, it had some other quirks that were troublesome at that time. Since then, I have grown very fond of Firefox, and as when I considered switching to Chrome, I found that there are a couple key features I simply cannot be without.
1) RSS Feeds in my bookmarks.
2) Web Developer
3) Firebug
Does Opera have similar functionality?
I believe in de-evolution. God made the world perfect, man fell, and its been going downhill ever since!
Opera still doesn't support border-radius or box-shadow, probably the two most important properties that make web designers life's easier. Safari (or really Webkit) seems to be doing all the innovating lately when it comes to CSS3 features with Firefox and Opera battling it out for 2nd place. Either way, as a developer I still prefer to use Firefox with all its useful developer tools and addons.
"During My Service In The United States Congress, I Took The Initiative In Creating The Internet." -Al Gore
You are probably relying on undocumented bugs or quirks in certain browsers. No wonder other browsers are having problems if they don't implement those specific quirks in the exact same way.
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http://www.opera.com/browser/download/
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...and Opera 10 has changed the appearance of at least one crucial CSS item since the most recent version of Opera 9, which, in this specific aspect, conformed to and rendered identical to Safari 3 and 4, Firefox 2 and 3 and even IE 6, 7 and 8.
Opera 10 now features a broken "line-height" CSS behavior, both in terms of how all other renderers behave, and in terms of what the WC3 specifies. Well done.
I suggest you build a validating test page showing the bug and report it to Opera.
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart" (Linus van Pelt)
Maybe it's just my machine, but I get a 99 when running Acid 3. Also, two of the tests were less than perfect. (Still a great score)
Failed 1 tests.
Test 26 passed, but took 67ms (less than 30fps)
Test 69 passed, but took 3 attempts (less than perfect).
Test 72 failed: expected '10' but got '1' - prerequisite failed: style didn't affect image
stacktrace: n/a; see opera:config#UserPrefs|Exceptions Have Stacktrace
Total elapsed time: 1.74s
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So that *is* both of you, then?
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
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It's more compatible than IE or Firefox considering that it is more standards compliant.
Of course you're just a troll who hasn't ever used Opera. I have NEVER seen anything that Opera wasn't compatible with unless someone purposely checked the user agent and refused to work based solely on that.
These issues are still not fixed in 10.0 RTM:
- VMWare server 2.0 interface doesn't render properly in 10.0: Select a VM and at the right you don't see any info appear. /., where all checkbox controls are rendered as windows 95 checkboxes.
- '#' local links are resolved after everything is loaded: e.g. http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=277142&page=14#comment3054845 , this is slow, as all icons first have to be loaded before the local jump is made. This is annoying at forum sites
- On Windows XP, Checkbox in webpage isn't styled but looks like Windows 95 checkbox. This is particularly present here at
- Cookies set in javascript where the name has a ' ' in the name are not persisted.
- Sometimes a combobox is rendered as a windows 95 combobox instead of a Windows XP / themed combo box, e.g. when you set the options like: Pink
- In the default skin, on Windows XP, when you hover over the scrollbar at the right, the scrollbar is highlighted... pink
- Bittorrent client is really really slow compared to Vuse for example
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Of course. I must be a troll. How else could you explain having to face new realities?
All things equal, an open source project will eventually become more secure than a closed one, but unfortunately we're comparing opera/chrome to mozilla fucking firefox here. Those damn things just aren't.
Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
Hmm, I believe this has something to do with "open source" values vs. "free software" values. The open source movement tries to convey the message, that open source produces better quality software. Since it's only the quality of the software that matters, "open source fans" are more likely to use what works better for them. People, who really care about freedom, however, are much less likely to use Opera. However, since there are different kinds of freedom, when talking about web browsers, things can get a little confusing, so let me clarify:
- Opera promotes open standards (HTML, CSS) for the web, so it fights for the freedom to be able to use any browser that you choose (including free ones), and still be able to access the web. However, Firefox does the same thing also, and actually has been a lot more successful in achieving that, since it was the first browser to grab a significant marketshare from IE.
- Firefox itself is also free software by the FSF definition, so it also has all the benefits that follow from that: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Personally, I'd never even consider using Opera, unless they release it under a free license. And I don't care if other people use it or not, as it is not a threat to free software, so it doesn't really affect me at all. The real threat for free software on the web right now is IMHO Adobe Flash, which still has no usable free alternative, and which I'm forced to use under Linux, although I hate it.
And actually, Google Chrome is free/open source, at least according to the license. The only problem with it is that it was initially developed in secret internally by Google (which kinda violates the free/open source spirit) and only supports Windows, which is non-free (although a Linux version is being worked on).
Here are some results from a Linux box:
Arora 0.8.0 - OK
Chromium 4.0.205 - OK
Dillo 0.8.6 - Complete failure. Dillo does not appear to support div at all (it's a fast, but feature-poor browser).
Epiphany 2.26.1 - OK
Firefox 3.0.13 - OK
Firefox 3.5.2 (Shiretoko) - OK
Galeon 2.0.6 - OK
Opera 10.0 - Dragging the lower edge of the window: Works fine on reducing window height up to a point, and thereafter the divs don't resize. Divs are unchanged in size on increasing window height. Dragging upper border of window: Divs do not resize on increasing or reducing the window height.
SeaMonkey 1.1.17 browser - OK
I don't have Conkeror or Konqueror installed, so they weren't tested. For obvious reasons, I also did not test Lynx or elinks (or wget or curl)... Dillo and Seamonkey were installed temporarily just for this test, then removed.
FWIW, I tend to use Epiphany/Firefox/Opera about equally, but for different purposes, and Arora/Chromium/Galeon not at all (installed out of curiosity, never removed).
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
I find it funny that the browsers that are the least popular do better in the test. I'm on my office's Vista machine, and here is what I'm getting from the different browsers:
Opera 10 100%
Safari 4.0.3 100%
Chrome 2.0.172.43 100% Linktest failed
Firefox 3.5.2 93%
IE 8.0.6001.18813 20% Linktest failed
Does it support the W3C standard for MVC markup yet, or is Opera still cherry-picking stanards that suit its business model more than those of its users?
That's what I used to think. Then I decided to lighten up a bit, and give it a shot. Then I realised I shouldn't have. Opera is very incompatible, even compared to Konqueror.
What browser were you using again? When? You're obviously not talking about Opera 10 or the modern Konqueror.
Now all I need is for BeOS to release an update.
Once they can replicate the extensive number of Firefox addons I use, and release a 64-bit version for Windows, I might consider switching.
Adblock Plus, Autofill Forms, AutoPager, Image Saver Plus, Download Statusbar, DownloadHelper, iMacros, LastPass, Multi Links, NoScript, Sage-Too.. among other minor addons
Opera 10.0 released? Bleh. I know a website which reported this news months ago!
I use Opera mail with IMAP. I can specify an IMAP folder to place a copy of sent emails. I have never been able to figure out how to specify an IMAP folder to move messages when clicking Delete. Does anyone know how to do this?
Testing is a big part of development, programming and development are different things. I would rather employ someone who invents tools that allow him to test behaviours. If you do not see the value doesn't mean it does not exist. It's in various books like the Pragmatic Programmer, Code Complete and Writing Solid Code. They would be a good starting point.
In Excel, they wrote two algorithms to test the appearance of cell data to make sure it was not buggy. This is a good thing because they needed to test for correctness...
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