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Thieves Clear Out NJ Apple Store In 31 Seconds

theodp writes "An amazing surveillance tape of a burglary in progress at a New Jersey Apple Store shows five perps in masks smashing the plate-glass doors at 2:05 a.m., signaling to the security guard that they had a gun, and clearing off the display tables with the efficiency of a Indy 500 pit crew. The take: 23 MacBook Pros, 14 iPhones and 9 iPod touches in 31 seconds flat. Estimated value, based on average selling price: $46,345. No word yet on whether Microsoft's Laptop Hunters have alibis."

459 comments

  1. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sucks for Apple.

    1. Re:Too bad by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well... no, it sucks for the reseller. Or if the reseller is smart, then it sucks for the insurance company.

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    2. Re:Too bad by Xabraxas · · Score: 0

      It's an Apple store, not a reseller. Apple is the only one taking a hit here.

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    3. Re:Too bad by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that Apple's stores don't have an insurance policy? It is typically required to take out a commercial lease. When I opened my gaming store, I was required to have a $1M insurance policy. Standard practice.

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    4. Re:Too bad by selven · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why would Apple want to have insurance? Getting a single store robbed won't even show on their profit charts and insurance companies have to make a profit so it would by definition be more expensive long term.

    5. Re:Too bad by rubi · · Score: 1

      It's an Apple store, not a reseller. Apple is the only one taking a hit here.

      And because of thet, the *real* value of the items stolen is much lower, just the cost to Apple, not "street" or selling price.

    6. Re:Too bad by rubi · · Score: 1

      Why would Apple want to have insurance? Getting a single store robbed won't even show on their profit charts and insurance companies have to make a profit so it would by definition be more expensive long term.

      Because it's sound business practice to have insurance, and in a country like the US where you can be sued for about anything it is much more advisable.

      True, less than US$50K won't show in Apple's charts, but think of a fire that gets the entire store (and there are policies for things like "interruption of operations" and the like) or, worse yet, someone gets harmed in the process of robbing the store.

      Insurance *is* mandatory in godd business practice and the world we live in.

    7. Re:Too bad by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      If you think that not having insurance is a good thing, then may I suggest you don't go into business?

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    8. Re:Too bad by johnw · · Score: 1

      Insurance *is* mandatory in godd business practice and the world we live in.

      It depends what kind of insurance you're talking about. For liability insurance you might be right, but some kinds of insurance make absolutely no business sense to large organisations.

      If you run, for instance, a large fleet of vans, you *know* that each year a certain percentage of them will be involved in motor accidents. If you insure them against that then the insurance company will know it too, and will inevitably charge you a bit more in premiums than they pay out in your claims each year. It thus makes no sense at all to insure them.

      The purpose of insurance is to *spread* the risk and cover you for things you can't afford to pay for. One individual with an expensive car probably can't afford to replace it if it's written off. A company with 10,000 vans can afford to pay for the percentage which are written off each year and so it makes no sense to insure them.

      There's an old saying, "If you can afford not to be insured, then you can't afford to be insured."

    9. Re:Too bad by selven · · Score: 1

      I asked a legitimate question about why a massive international company would need to insure themselves against small damages and I got people saying "that's how it's done, period" without an explanation and a troll moderation? What is this?

    10. Re:Too bad by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      Was that a liability policy? I don't think your landlord can force you to insure your own stuff.

      And many large corporations "self-insure"; that is they don't buy insurance for theft and pay for it themselves.

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    11. Re:Too bad by git68 · · Score: 1

      The stolen machines were all on display and used for demos, they have probably been written off as far as Apple is concerned anyway.

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    12. Re:Too bad by j-beda · · Score: 1

      >What is this?

        Slashdot?

  2. On the bright side... by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Apple has received a million dollars worth of free publicity for the low cost of their insurance deductible.

    1. Re:On the bright side... by Clever7Devil · · Score: 5, Funny

      The joke's on the thieves really. I hear that by the time they made it back to the hideout 13 of those iPhones had cracked displays.

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    2. Re:On the bright side... by ysth · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Somebody's been reading Jennifer Government, you think?

    3. Re:On the bright side... by e2d2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes but those iPhones were treated incorrectly by the perpetrators. The one that exploded in the one guy's pants pocket was not supposed to be carried outside of a fashionable case. Everyone knows that sheesh.

    4. Re:On the bright side... by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      Would a company that big actually insure against theft loss from a single store? I would think it would be cheaper for them to insure themselves.

    5. Re:On the bright side... by Gerzel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Low cost?

      Low cost per month but how many months?

      Insurance costs are always looked on as low giving the short term cost but never the accumulated costs.

    6. Re:On the bright side... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Funny

      god dammit, we all know the SI unit for shit is the Couric

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    7. Re:On the bright side... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't notice them picking up any chargers either, man are they gunna pissed when the batteries run out!

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    8. Re:On the bright side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, they've simply heard the expressions "there's no such thing as bad publicity" and "the best publicity is free publicity".

    9. Re:On the bright side... by think_nix · · Score: 2, Funny

      still though , thats what I call some serious ipwnage

    10. Re:On the bright side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no. By the time they made it back, Apple announced new models making those ones useless.

    11. Re:On the bright side... by Sniper98G · · Score: 1

      They can catch them when they come back to the store to buy chargers.

    12. Re:On the bright side... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      The robbers who cleaned out the Apple store were in such a hurry because it was almost happy hour at the gay bar.

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    13. Re:On the bright side... by Psyborgue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interestingly enough, the maglock connections probably made them a lot easier to steal without damage.

    14. Re:On the bright side... by Bobartig · · Score: 2, Informative

      The insertion force of a power adapter, magsafe or no, is not much compared to that of an ethernet jack, which they forcibly yanked out of place for each portable. The damage from the power connector comes when the portable falls to the ground, and impacts on the jack, forcing the DC input to come apart from the DC-in circuitry of the power stage. When you are pulling, the likelyhood of damage is minimal, since this is not really different from removing the power adapter the normal way, that is, pulling on the cord end.

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    15. Re:On the bright side... by Psyborgue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The insertion force of a power adapter, magsafe or no, is not much compared to that of an ethernet jack, which they forcibly yanked out of place for each portable.

      Why would the Apple store use ethernet when each mac has built in wireless? I've visited quite a few apple stores and I can't recall Ethernet cables sticking out of the sides of their laptops. It would be unsightly and Apple is very concerned about appearances. Heck. If they were going to use ethernet they might as well have plugged in a Kingston lock (on the right side close to the ethernet on my MBP).

      The damage from the power connector comes when the portable falls to the ground, and impacts on the jack, forcing the DC input to come apart from the DC-in circuitry of the power stage. When you are pulling, the likelyhood of damage is minimal, since this is not really different from removing the power adapter the normal way, that is, pulling on the cord end.

      Sure. If you pull the cables straight out, regardless of connector, there is little likelihood of damage. But if you pull at an angle, I can see the power connector on either the adapter or the laptop getting bent out of shape. You might not like Apple as a brand, but due to the number of times a relative, friend, or pet has yanked my power cord out of my MBP in all sorts of directions I am very thankful for the maglock feature. My previous laptop (a dell running linux) died and early death because of a bent power connector on the motherboard due to that sort of thing.

    16. Re:On the bright side... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Of the Apple stores i've been to, all the laptops did have kingston locks, and even the iphones had something similar holding them to the tables.

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    17. Re:On the bright side... by SCVirus · · Score: 0

      And likely this one will too after this. Most likely the thieves saw/got a tip about the lack of locks.

    18. Re:On the bright side... by Lidadai · · Score: 1

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    19. Re:On the bright side... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Low cost?

      Low cost per month but how many months?

      Insurance costs are always looked on as low giving the short term cost but never the accumulated costs.

      While totally agreeing with you, I'd like to add that you can buy insurances with a one-time fee. For example, there is a company that insures iPhones, with a one-time fee of $96 for an 8GB iPhone.

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    20. Re:On the bright side... by PDX · · Score: 1

      Phone rings
      This is Apple Support how may I help you today.
      "My new laptop has a scratch on the screen."
      We can replace your screen if you take it back to the store that you bought it from. Along with your receipt.
      "What store?"

      This is how criminals get caught. The people they sell to can identify them. And Apple probably could brick all of them from an inventory of what was left in the store. Simple deductive reasoning.

    21. Re:On the bright side... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The Apple-Gay jokes are always a hit.

      Listen, I don't have anything against Apple, it's just so much fun when the fanboyo heads explode when it's mentioned.

      And I certainly don't have anything against gays. I mean, what heterosexual man doesn't suck a dick now and then, right? ...right?

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    22. Re:On the bright side... by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live in New Jersey, and I didn't even know we had an Apple Store. I didn't think my state was hip enough.

    23. Re:On the bright side... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would the Apple store use ethernet when each mac has built in wireless?

      Interference. Put two laptops within a couple meters of each other and you'll notice it. I can't imagine how bad it would get with 3 or 4...Also, bandwidth.

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    24. Re:On the bright side... by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      I know that this was meant to be funny, but around 1995-ish, my digital camera (a rarity at the time) got stolen. Luckily, the police were able to recover it.

      It was damaged, though. Apparently the thief had no clue that it was digital and was trying to pry it open to figure out where the film goes.

    25. Re:On the bright side... by Posting=!Working · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A physical description of some guy selling a laptop out of the trunk of a car off Route 22 isn't going to help much, and if they're pros there's no way they're selling these themselves.

      What you're describing is how the really stupid thieves get caught. The ones who have any kind of brains would fence them.

      People who buy brand new laptops out of car trunks generally know that calling the manufacturer is the same as admitting you bought stolen goods and asking if they could please send an officer around to take away the new laptop they just bought.

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    26. Re:On the bright side... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Well, insurance is usually a group coverage. I can afford homeowner insurance at $40/month but if my house burns down I can't get the 150k+ to rebuild it. Since I don't think I'll live 300 years without my house burning down to a crisp, I'll take the coverage but most houses will last that long if not longer (as you can see in Europe where many (residential) houses are older than 400 years).

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    27. Re:On the bright side... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Probably however if Apple was really smart they woudln't have put an Apple Store in New Jersey... What where they thinking.

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    28. Re:On the bright side... by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      They don't use ethernet for networking portables. Apple Stores use security alarms tethered to the portables via ethernet jacks. The portables with ethernet have an ethernet cable that connects to an alarm box (or "squealer" as they are referred to) which detects the ethernet power connection. When this connection is broken, the alarm will trigger. I know the person at my local Apple Store who is responsible for installing these devices

      With regard to the power adapter situation, I know the function of MagSafe, trust me. Having fixed too many portable computers to count with damaged DC-in components, my friends and I literally shouted for joy when Magsafe was announced. An oblique pull will certainly cause damage over time, but a single impact in the way I have described will destroy a brand new laptop immediately, and it only takes a fall of 8-10", not the 2-3 feet that most laptops are designed to survive. As a repair technician, you will see this pretty much every week (well, not any more with magsafe macs), whereas the slowly eroded power connector you are describing is exceedingly rare by comparison.

      But the fact remains that you are describing a situation that is irrelevant to the discussion. The point at hand is that the Magsafes did NOT prevent damage during the break in BECAUSE the thieves were pulling the portables AWAY from the power cables. The situation that you are describing, where the power cable is strained obliquely from the DC connection, is entirely unrelated.

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    29. Re:On the bright side... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm still trying to figure out the proper method to get the Apple salesman to tear himself away from the young blond long enough to talk to me. Guess I'll have to stick with my new home-built AMD X4 machine.

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    30. Re:On the bright side... by marcusman · · Score: 1

      I didn't notice them picking up any chargers either, man are they gunna pissed when the batteries run out!

      I didn't notice them picking up any chargers either, man are they gunna pissed when the batteries run out!

      :-)

    31. Re:On the bright side... by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      Kensington security locks are for windows machines. Macs are just inherently secure



      ... or maybe not.

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  3. The police found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    a load of gay porn they had dropped by accident. Defintly mac users.

    1. Re:The police found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defintly mac users.

      Or deeply closeted AC trolls.

    2. Re:The police found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ok, once you express your homosexuality openly you can get your Slashdot account.

  4. ObComment by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple Store's next product release: iRobbed.

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    1. Re:ObComment by Afforess · · Score: 3, Funny

      istore robbery? We've got an App for that.

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    2. Re:ObComment by Mauzl · · Score: 5, Funny

      I expect the price Apple sets for iRobbed will be iWayrobbery.

    3. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh! I brought the crackers and wine, I see you brought the rest!

    4. Re:ObComment by leromarinvit · · Score: 1

      Apple Store's next product release: iRobbed.

      Really, that was you? And you even admit it in public?

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    5. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, iGuard

    6. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they should make a condom called the iRibbed.

    7. Re:ObComment by MrNaz · · Score: 1, Funny

      It had better be durable enough to withstand the chafing of hard plastic and metal because everyone knows that the only things Apple users like to make love to are their Apple products.

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    8. Re:ObComment by Gandalf_Greyhame · · Score: 2, Funny

      It had better be durable enough to withstand the chafing of hard plastic and metal because everyone knows that the only things Apple users like to make love to are their Apple products.

      We also love your mum. However, unlike your mum, my Mac has no viruses, infections or diseases

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    9. Re:ObComment by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2, Funny

      iSnatch may have better sales.

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    10. Re:ObComment by denton420 · · Score: 1

      iHeist is set to take a dominant market share

    11. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be a girl in training, but there's no amount of training that could get you to be funny. Stop with the unfunny memes. I thought nerds were supposed to be creative. Consider Mauzl's much funnier comment for reference: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1359863&cid=29335523

    12. Re:ObComment by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      Mac Heist has done pretty well in the past.... ;)

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    13. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing that Apple users love is getting cocks thrust into their asses. I mean seriously, the Apple logo is a rainbow coloured fruit. You're all fags.

    14. Re:ObComment by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Apple Store's next product release: iRobbed.

      Actually, I heard that was the internal name of their business plan...

    15. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny because he put an "i" in front of it.

    16. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking full advantage of Apple's world-class security measures.

    17. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iGotRobbed for an extra $27 :)

    18. Re:ObComment by iwaybandit · · Score: 1

      The iwaybandit thanks you.

    19. Re:ObComment by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Apple Store's next product release: iRobbed.

      With iJoke, being witty has never been simpler.

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    20. Re:ObComment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I mean seriously, the Apple logo is a rainbow coloured fruit. You're all fags.

      Your post is based on a few wrong assumptions:

      1. That Apple still uses the rainbow logo
      2. That the rainbow "gay pride" flag was commonly known when Apple had their logo designed
      3. That anyone on the planet thinks your opinion is worth shit
       

  5. Amazing? by sleeponthemic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know whether my idea of criminality standards are just a bit higher, but when I watched that video I wasn't the slightest bit "amazed" by it. What's so amazing about filling your arms / pockets full of merchandise and getting the fok out of there? I'd like to think that all of us are smart enough to "mastermind" a crime such as that.

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    1. Re:Amazing? by NoYob · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And the way they were slapping them closed and handling them, I'd be surprised if a few screens and drives didn't work well after this. It'll make it hard to fence them.

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    2. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they were wearing berets.

    3. Re:Amazing? by clarkn0va · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd like to think that most of us are smart enough to not commit such a crime as that.

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    4. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know whether my idea of criminality standards are just a bit higher, but when I watched that video I wasn't the slightest bit "amazed" by it. What's so amazing about filling your arms / pockets full of merchandise and getting the fok out of there? I'd like to think that all of us are smart enough to "mastermind" a crime such as that.

      Actually reminds me of some old game shows where the winner was let loose in a store and they get to keep all the merchandise they can grab & carry in one minute.

    5. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not New Jersey - it's *south* Jersey. Practically Alabama. Nothing happens there.

    6. Re:Amazing? by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. And the way they were slapping them closed and handling them, I'd be surprised if a few screens and drives didn't work well after this. It'll make it hard to fence them.

      Because people who buy stolen property from the back of a van are known for thoroughly testing it first?

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    7. Re:Amazing? by zygotic+mitosis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Totally. I bet they could have saved two seconds if they'd have ran to the back of the store first, snapping up the merch as they made their escape through the point of entry, rather than lugging full armloads through from the back.

    8. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the video, "Watch again as the thieves show skilled practice at the art of bringing down that plate-glass door."
      I wonder how much practice it took for them to learn how to throw a brick through glass.

    9. Re:Amazing? by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who says bad guys use the back of a stolen van?

      In these days... I expect... One word: eBay.

    10. Re:Amazing? by iron-kurton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even though we are so much smarter than these neanderthal criminal guys, we still have to look up the definition of money laundering in a dictionary.

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    11. Re:Amazing? by 2phar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Who says you need bother stealing? Just sell nothing

    12. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, but they have a surprisingly lenient return policy
      (pull gun, "my money, now.")

    13. Re:Amazing? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      yeah, in my day they just called that "smash n' grab".

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    14. Re:Amazing? by this+great+guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yo bro, thanks for the tip bro. We'll do it this way next time. -Tomi

    15. Re:Amazing? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      What. The. Fuck. !.

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    16. Re:Amazing? by uvsc_wolverine · · Score: 1

      I am soooo going to try this.

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    17. Re:Amazing? by agnosticnixie · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suddenly feel like a moron for wasting my time trying to find/keep legit or even grey-area work... wtf

    18. Re:Amazing? by sleeponthemic · · Score: 1

      I'd like to think that most of us are smart enough to not commit such a crime as that.

      intelligence != morality

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    19. Re:Amazing? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks from the video, though, that they each traveled in a horseshoe shaped path, clearing off both sides of the tables. If you're just doing that in one pass, you're gonna miss one side of the table/half the score you would from a there and back trip.

    20. Re:Amazing? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      No, it's not that we're not smart enough. It's that the risks outweigh the benefits.

      They made off with $46k worth of loot, assuming that they sell it all for full retail. That'll never happen, so let's say 50% on eBay / Craigslist; $23k. There were 5 of them, so that's ~$5k each.

      $5000 vs. the risk of 5-10 years in jail. Armed robbery, conspiracy, grand theft, &etc. (Dick Wolf is my law professor.)

      I make that in a month. It's simply not worth it.

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    21. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also they were reported to be savvy enough to wear masks and masters at the art of smashing a plate glass window knew exactly how to motion to the guard to make him think they had hand guns. i would like to see how black friday is covered by this station that is all it was not much more save for the handgun but these days they are showing up everywhere.

    22. Re:Amazing? by White+Shade · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you make that in a month, but for someone making minimum wage, 5k is half a years worth of after-tax pay. Heck, even after a healthy raise, 5k is almost 3 months after-tax wages for me too...

      $5k is an awful lot of money when you're earning less than $8 an hour. I don't ever want to risk going to jail, but I can completely understand why the equation might go the other way for someone. Especially in a situation like this where unless another security camera caught an image of their getaway car, or somehow someone catches them fencing the merchandise, the risk level is pretty darn low overall.

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    23. Re:Amazing? by ajlisows · · Score: 1

      That and....won't they have the serial numbers for those iPhones? For those most part it seems Law Enforcement Officials can tell AT&T and other GSM carriers to report once these phones are registered and see who is using them. They may provide a lead back to the criminals (if the criminals are dumb THEY may be the ones registering.)

      The Laptops and iTouches are a different story, but needless to say they are out of warranty. If someone in the area starts dumping them on Craigs List there may be a lead, otherwise it will be back of the truck selling which will probably net them 20% of the price at best. That is still decent money but seems like a lot of risk for $10,000.

      On another note, I have a good story about a "Fell off the back of the truck" vendor. My friend ran into some who were clearly thieves about 8 years ago and agreed to buy a $6000 TV and Stereo system for $900. He told the guy to load the stuff in his truck and they would drive to the bank together. So they loaded it up and they both walked to my friend's truck. The merchant tried to get in but the door was locked. My buddy rolled his window down, yelled "Here is my business card. Call the cops on me for theft if you want!" and drove away. I know this is still morally questionable but we were basically just kids back then and it is pretty darn funny.

    24. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In it a van down by the river?

    25. Re:Amazing? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      then, tragically, a few years later when driving through that part of town, your friend was slain in a brutal carjacking. witnesses stated that the culprits where yelling something about 'television" and "stereo system"

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    26. Re:Amazing? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "There were 5 of them, so that's ~$5k each."

      That's assuming they get away with it. Soon as someone tries to activate one of those 13 iPhone serial numbers I'm sure alarm bells will go off somewhere and they'll all be spending many years in jail for 5 grand. Even if you're making minimum wage, spending many years in jail just isn't worth 6 months of pay. Epic fail.

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    27. Re:Amazing? by sorin25 · · Score: 1

      This is a recording from the training: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adHfECVdSBs

    28. Re:Amazing? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether my idea of criminality standards are just a bit higher, but when I watched that video I wasn't the slightest bit "amazed" by it.

      No doubt.

      Five guys take 46G (full retail value) far less on 2ndary markets; call it 1/2 to make it a round number. That's maybe 8,000 each. MAYBE. For crying out loud, if you are going to commit a crime... someone like Bernie Madoff comes to mind. But this?

      Not so much.

      What's next. Next time some kids rob a convenience store and fill a pickup truck with cigarettes we get it on the front page? Oh... wait...I get it, its news because it was Apple. Lame.

    29. Re:Amazing? by kklein · · Score: 1

      Thank god someone said this. This has been floating around the web for the last few days and every time I see it I'm like, "Uh, hit a glass door that is designed to shatter into tiny pieces so it doesn't hurt someone, run in, pick up a bunch of stuff without even the AC adapters, run out."

      Only an idiot would do such a thing without a mask, and there isn't a security guard alive who is going to go up against a bunch of guys, armed or no. That's what insurance is for.

      I would have been impressed if they had actually gotten the whole products in that time, but they didn't.

      A "mastermind" crime, IMO, can't really involve smashing windows. This is the work of common street thugs.

    30. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should make sure to be specific if you order this one.

    31. Re:Amazing? by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was a sudden global drop in IQ, and millions of geeks cried out in terror!

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    32. Re:Amazing? by WillDraven · · Score: 1

      Except that if the thieves are even moderately intelligent the phones will go through at least one or two levels of being sold to random people out of the trunk of a car. They might nab a few people for possession of stolen property but the only info they'll probably get out of them is " i got it from some [black|white|hispanic] guy, i think his car was blue, or maybe black, or was it green?"

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    33. Re:Amazing? by Escape+From+NY · · Score: 1

      What the hell? 99.5 positive?

      One of the few detractors - "Nothing happens..Not even 0.001 of the spell work..I suspect this is a SCAM"
      Ya think?

    34. Re:Amazing? by astacom · · Score: 2, Funny

      Beware of too much involvement with magic. I have a feeling that it can make your caps lock key get stuck.

      Also, make sure that you're patient. You don't want to end up like sweetcouplebang68, who commented:

      SCAM.. NOTHING WORKS.... ONLY SWEET TALKS.. DON'T GET CHEATED

      energy_by_teresa replied:

      NEWBIE EBAYER, NEVER GAVE SPELL A CHANCE, VERY NEGATIVE TO WORK WITH,BUT I TRIED

      Scanning further on in the comments, more from sweetcouplebang68:

      Nothing happens..Not even 0.001 of the spell work..I suspect this is a SCAM

      energy_by_teresa:

      NVER GAVE IT ANY TIME, VERY NEGATIVE PERSON, NOT QUITE SURE ANYONE CAN HELP

      All she is saaaaaaying...is give magickque a chance.

    35. Re:Amazing? by Eil · · Score: 1

      No, they weren't masterminds but you don't need to be for this kind of robbery. The amazing part was that it only took them 31 seconds to clear out the store. Each of them knew their part, concealed their identities, arrived from different directions, and scattered off into different directions. Seriously, most criminals doing this kinds of ballsy thievery are incredibly stupid and more often than not, drunk or high. These guys plainly weren't. They knew what they were doing. You don't see that too often. We'll probably see some copycats over the next few weeks that don't succeed because these guys made it look too easy. I almost wonder if they practiced a bit first.

      Although, their biggest downfall is the size of their team. Too many of them to keep it a secret for long. They'll get caught in the end because one of them snitched or bragged.

    36. Re:Amazing? by ProfM · · Score: 1

      What's really sad, is that we're sitting around analyzing the efficiency of (possibly armed) burglary.

      Anyway ... back to the video ... it looks like they've been in the store before, and cased it before the robbery. They knew what to take and where it was located. In addition, they didn't waste time on the power cables (so it appears). Also, they had some brains and covered their faces/heads. Just a little harder to find them on the streets.

    37. Re:Amazing? by R.Morton · · Score: 1

      Oh Master you must teach me the fine art of the Bullshitter !

      LOL

      No really that is Fucking Cool

      R.Morton

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    38. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Industrial scale money laundering? 400$M company with 2 employees? weird.

    39. Re:Amazing? by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      The screens are aluminum reinforced tempered glass. I know you're thinking that the glass would shatter, but the overall construction is MUCH, MUCH stronger than a typical PC display in terms of protecting the inner glass of the display. The hard drives all have sudden motion sensor technology to park the heads during quick impact. That's meant to guard against the impact of actual drops, so getting snapped shut is nothing for them. If they broke, it was for some other reason. Nothing in the vid would have resulted in more than case scratches.

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    40. Re:Amazing? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Funny

      You expressed my thoughts perfectly. I don't have any mod points, so I bought you a "mod you up" spell. It should begin to take effect within 30 days. I'm afraid I haven't had a mail yet, but it's such a powerful spell that I'm sure that she'll be "completely drained" for the next several days.

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    41. Re:Amazing? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do not meddle in the affairs of ebay wizards...for they are powerful and quick to anger.

      Besides, there's plenty of people on this planet willing to pay good money for a little sweet talk.

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    42. Re:Amazing? by dintech · · Score: 1

      I was in a pub in London at the weekend and a dodgy character worked his way round the bar trying to sell a bag full of iPhones. It's pretty clear from their shrink wrapped appearance that they were either stolen or fake. I'm sure some greedy individual would have bought one from him eventually, only to discover later that the battery wasn't the only thing 'hot' about it...

    43. Re:Amazing? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well I doubt these are the sort of people who make several times the average wage in some cushy white-collar career. They're probably crack-heads, and the goods have already been swapped down some dark alley.

      Btw most crimes like this don't result in anyone being caught. The police aren't going to throw that many resources at a stolen ipod.

    44. Re:Amazing? by FTWinston · · Score: 1

      Frankly, no one remotely sceptical of such things would consider buying it, so ... yeah.

    45. Re:Amazing? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      They will remember your friend for that, and if they ever see him or his truck around they will try to get their revenge.

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    46. Re:Amazing? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Aside from the fact that the store will have carried spare power supplies, ready boxed on shelves somewhere... Taking power supplies which were wired up could be a pain, but grabbing all the boxed spares would have been easy and made the rest of the stuff more valuable.

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    47. Re:Amazing? by Rhoon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but thankfully you now have 40 subscriptions of Vibe to read.

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    48. Re:Amazing? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      So you never were to a Chinese restaurant that always was strangely empty, but yet never went bankrupt, or what? I thought everyone knew this...

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    49. Re:Amazing? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      The nice thing is: If you buy nothing, you have nothing. And so you don't have to pay taxes anymore.
      But beware, because if somebody breaks in, and steals nothing, you can't put him behind bars. After all he stole nothing.

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    50. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf is ENGLARGEMENT?

    51. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should I click "buy it now" or "enlarge"?

    52. Re:Amazing? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      It looks very similar to the jewellery shop raids you see in London every other week. They are very well organised and very rarely get caught, but I guess it is easier to turn jewellery into cash than it is to turn MacBooks.

    53. Re:Amazing? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they were hoping one of the iPods might have some mp3s on it already. Just think - even if they stole just 24 mp3s, that would've been worth $1.92 million! Puts that puny $46,345 to shame.

      Indeed, the software installed on those Macs must be worth millions alone - that's what the RIAA tell us, right?

    54. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      breaking and entering == crime

    55. Re:Amazing? by mqduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      intelligence != morality

      I'll probably get modded down as a troll or something for this, but...

      morality != respecting property laws (necessarily)

      Most people would disagree, but a respectable argument could be made that stealing from a wealthy corporation is morally neutral.

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    56. Re:Amazing? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      That's assuming they get away with it.

      Yes, just like everyone above you already said. :-P

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    57. Re:Amazing? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      So would most common burglars.

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    58. Re:Amazing? by iron-kurton · · Score: 1

      hehe I think you're the only one that got it

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    59. Re:Amazing? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      But is that 5k gross or net? Getting a good price on one stolen laptop, maybe not that hard via ebay or craigslist, but on a whole pile of them - if you are not really careful, you are going to get caught. How much work is that going to take? Once you start figuring out how many hours you are taking in cruising around town trying to unload this stuff, and the actual prices you manage to get, the numbers start to look much less attractive.

      My father-in-law's place was recently broken into and within a few days someone called him to ask about the admin password to the computer that was stolen. The fellow had purchased it off of Craigslist, and upon learning it was stolen, was willing to visit the police station to ID the apartment where he had picked it up. Doing a better job of staying anonomyous when making such a sale again takes more time and effort.

      Crime can pay, but to do so I think takes a lot more effort than most criminals put into it, and those that do put in the effort could make similar returns from straight legit labour.

    60. Re:Amazing? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      A smash-and-grab is not the most complex crime to execute to be sure; but this one was well choreographed. They knew just how to hit the plate glass to bring it down fast so they could all run it without even slowing down and they know which team members were going to grab what.

      There is not any stumbling; no pointing, signaling or anything to suggest that any part of it was being made up as they went along. It was all premeditated and it seems everything went according to plan. These guys stike me as having covered their bases more than most criminals do. I mean hell it was not long ago I read an article about a man who knocked over the Big and Tall store in the middle of the day and then tried to escape on a city bus. Gee who thinks would suspected that was not going to work out well for him.

      I don't know what these guys plan to do to get around the serial numbers, but I bet they already have a plan for fencing the goods, and I'd guess its about as sound as any criminal enterprise can be.

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    61. Re:Amazing? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I understand what your saying but just like the guy who said I can earn 5K in a month so it would be stupid for me to knock over the Apple store misses is he is not stupid to begin with.

      You and I know its a fools game because we know something about how cellular phones work, how expensive electronics are serialized and some of the ways that can be tracked. We are not out doing smash-and-grabs on our Saturday nights because we see the problems with it and have other opportunities and I hope maybe we are just better people to with higher ethical and moral standards.

      I can see how a robbery would be appealing if you lacked the intelligence, education, or a combination of both to spot the problems I listed above as well as the others there obviously are. Now imagine at the same time were not likely to find yourself in a career where you can earn anything even close to 5k in a month at any point in the future; perhaps you already have a criminal record that will prevent you from being eligible for such a job.

      Now I suspect I could plan and execute such a crime and get away with it. The trouble is as other have pointed out I can earn more doing honest work with less risk for the amount of time and engergy that would need to go in. This is the failure of most criminals they don't do it right, either because they don't know how or are lazy. These guys clearly choreographed. Simple though the crime may be there was some planning that went into this break in, If you can't see that than you need to look harder.

      These guys all knew where they were going and when to move. I bet they have a plan for unloading this stuff that they cooked up before they stole it too. I sure would, have disposition in mind beforehand. I mean sitting on this stuff for any amount to time would be dumb. It ties you to the crime and it allows time for the authorities to circulate the serial numbers, tell the cellular carriers about the ESN codes of the stolen phones etc etc. These things could make it hard to sell this stuff at all, if to much time passes.

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    62. Re:Amazing? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      A smash-and-grab is not the most complex crime to execute to be sure; but this one was well choreographed.

      Fair enough.

      They knew just how to hit the plate glass to bring it down fast so they could all run it without even slowing down and they know which team members were going to grab what.

      That is much less difficult than you might imagine.

      I don't know what these guys plan to do to get around the serial numbers, but I bet they already have a plan for fencing the goods, and I'd guess its about as sound as any criminal enterprise can be.

      They left power adapters, discs, cords, and manuals etc behind, so the products are unboxed and incomplete. It might have been $46,000 retail, but between 20% and 50% on the street, on the low end of that if they are fencing them instead of trying to sell them themselves. Divided by 5 guys.

      To me the biggest fail of this crime was that they only make a couple grand each. I doubt they clear 4k each. What kind of retard masterminds, organizes, and choreographs a five man heist where he only makes 4 grand if he's LUCKY.

    63. Re:Amazing? by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      I can't believe this. That crook makes a thousand bucks a month without doing anything at all but posting some auctions! This is frikkin unbelievable.

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    64. Re:Amazing? by Posting=!Working · · Score: 1

      Seriously, you guys are talking like this took months of planning, instead of one visit to the store to map it out and a trip to an auto parts store to get an emergency hammer. The planning stages at absolute most took a day, and even counting the crime as taking a whole day, it's $4K for 2 days work. If they could pull off 10 heists like this, it's the equivalent of $40K take home pay working for less than 3 weeks a year.

      They left power adapters, discs, cords, and manuals etc behind, so the products are unboxed and incomplete.

      This keeps coming up, and it's just idiotic. You propose they should've spent more time in the store trying to find this stuff? WTF? It's smash and grab, not smash, grab, and look for accessories and boxes.

      And my apologies vux984, there's a dozen posts with the same points, I just happened to reply to this one.

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    65. Re:Amazing? by 7+digits · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, it does work ! I got myself a karma cleaning spell, and now, I can't use the +1 posting bonus anymore !

    66. Re:Amazing? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      New software idea: RobSim: Simulate your crime for the most efficient take.

    67. Re:Amazing? by mckinnsb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which makes me wonder...

      We seem to be able to observe that the thieves are intelligent - clearly, theft happens on a daily basis and only truly spectacular examples of it ever make it to the press. We can also be assured of their intelligence through certain elements of their technique - they perhaps, for instance, knew that the Magsafe adapters would make the laptops easy to snag, and that fragments from the front glass door would not harm them (allowing the brick thrower to run full tilt at the door before hurling the brick).

      However, the logical conclusion that most Slashdotters seem to be drawing - that the thieves are stealing the laptops to sell them on the black market - contradicts this observation. Which makes me wonder: maybe they aren't planning on selling them, really. They only stole 50k worth of equipment. Maybe they really wanted the *just the laptops* themselves *to use* in a quiet area where Apple will never notice - like, their respective basements.

      For the record, I'm not insinuating that these people are terrorists - but what I am insinuating, is perhaps we have seen 'nerd theft'. A low probability, but I think its plausible, and I thought it would be interesting to mention.

    68. Re:Amazing? by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      If they're fencing locked iPhones, and going through a couple stages of selling/buying, what are they going to get for them? $20-50 max? I don't actually know, but I can't imagine an obviously-stolen $200 phone is going to go for much.

      If they're going for a quick payout through a fence, I'd imagine that they might expect maybe 25-33% of 2nd hand prices. But anyrate, they apparently decided that it was worth it.

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    69. Re:Amazing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that would increase the risk of getting caught, so they might have ended up on a stupid criminals show instead.

    70. Re:Amazing? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Why?
      Having power supplies would make the devices easier to sell, and surely selling is the ultimate goal.

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    71. Re:Amazing? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just think how much the Catholic church is raking in for basically the same thing...

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    72. Re:Amazing? by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      The placebo effect is far more powerful than you think.

    73. Re:Amazing? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      it's $4K for 2 days work. If they could pull off 10 heists like this, it's the equivalent of $40K take home pay working for less than 3 weeks a year.

      Except that's a fallacy. They can't pull off 10 heists like this. The odds of them getting caught go up astronomically.

      This keeps coming up, and it's just idiotic. You propose they should've spent more time in the store trying to find this stuff? WTF? It's smash and grab, not smash, grab, and look for accessories and boxes.

      No, I'm merely pointing it out to highlight that while this may have been 50k worth of merchandise to Apple and the media - its realizable value is only a fraction of that to the theives, and being incomplete is partly why. In contrast, had they stolen new-in-box units from a stock room, warehouse, shipping container or freight truck, they'd be much easier to sell, and for more money. They might be able to keep 50-75% of the value instead of 20-50%.

    74. Re:Amazing? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      A low probability,...

      Nuff said.

      Sure its possible, but its beyond unlikely.

      Besides: What would basement nerds need an iphone for? ;) The laptop is always 3 feet away, and they aren't expecting any phone calls anyway.

    75. Re:Amazing? by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      >> Who says you need bother stealing? Just sell nothing [ebay.com]

      Is there a way to view your implied "empty box" negative feedback without clicking through 50 pages?

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    76. Re:Amazing? by mckinnsb · · Score: 1

      iPhone Application Development? ;)

    77. Re:Amazing? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      New software idea: RobSim: Simulate your crime for the most efficient take.

      Kids these days don't know how to clear a Pac-Man level with no path re-tracing...

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    78. Re:Amazing? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Not being racist, and not that this may make much difference, but you can at least tell they were all black (based on the walk, clothes, and I'm sure if you zoomed in you could tell by their hands). So find any group/5+ of black friends, although some are going to argue that's profiling....

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  6. Yes, but by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 4, Funny

    On the plus side, that $46345 of Apple hardware was only worth about $10000.

    1. Re:Yes, but by Kratisto · · Score: 5, Funny

      HEY! Apple's hardware is made to a higher standard. My Macbook is a luxury computer. It's the Ferrari of laptops... Not the engine, but... like... the logo.

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    2. Re:Yes, but by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      The Acer 3000LMi is the Ferrari of notebooks. Apple laptops don't go "VROOM VROOM" when you start them up. The Acer does.

    3. Re:Yes, but by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      But...but...I thought that we were paying for quality when we bought Apple products...uh...ugh...[head explodes]...

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    4. Re:Yes, but by bertoelcon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah Apple is more like the Hummer of laptops, everyone who buys one wants to overpay again and again.

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    5. Re:Yes, but by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Or was it whoosh?

    6. Re:Yes, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your MacBook were the Ferrari of laptops, you'd have to work on it all week just so you could have fun with it on Sundays.

    7. Re:Yes, but by eosp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So it would run Gentoo, then?

  7. iTunes by playerone · · Score: 1

    Hopefully the perps are selling those so they don't have to use iTunes. Such a lovely interface to your music collection... wait...

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  8. Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by daybot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some thieves broke into my college's computer labs and stole all the four-year-old iMacs. They turned their noses up at the brand new Dell Precisions in the same lab...

    1. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by NoYob · · Score: 4, Funny
      That's because the thieves went up to their ratings site and saw this under the Dell entry:

      Machine sucked. Couldn't handle the snatch and grab. Would not steal again! F----------!

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    2. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Some thieves broke into my college's computer labs and stole all the four-year-old iMacs. They turned their noses up at the brand new Dell Precisions in the same lab...

      That's because Dell outsources their criminal support line to India and the thieves didn't have the patience to wait for "Mike" to get bold enough to venture off his script ;)

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    3. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by Petrushka · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some thieves broke into my college's computer labs and stole all the four-year-old iMacs. They turned their noses up at the brand new Dell Precisions in the same lab...

      That sounds sane, actually. Macs lose their resale value very slowly -- around 15% per year, I'd guess; but I'd be surprised if even a brand spanking new Dell would fetch more than about 40% of its retail price, and completely unsurprised if it went for 300 or less.

      (Sane on the part of the thieves, that is, not on the part of the people buying the second-hand Macs.)

    4. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      I agree, but I think it's more like an immediate 20% hit, then about 25% per year. Most two year old Macs I see for sale are going for a little less than half retail. Which is still pretty impressive.

      OTOH, my PowerBook has lasted awhile now and is in decent shape after 4 years or so (even though it's suffered one 5 foot drop). I couldn't say that the same would be true of the slapped together plastic in a typical Dell.

    5. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Well, these laptop thieves probably realized they could carry many more laptops by stealing Macs rather than Dells. Additionally if they'd grabbed Dell laptops a stack of three or four would've obstructed their vision as they tried to run.

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    6. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by Jay+L · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the time someone broken into my car and stole every CD but Milli Vanilli.

    7. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by karnal · · Score: 1

      Friend of mine had his car opened up (he left it unlocked.)

      Thieves stole his sweaty gym clothes, a pair of broken sunglasses and a broken radar detector. CDs appeared to be rifled through but none were missing.

      Friend was sort of bummed that no CDs were missing.

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    8. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by MPAB · · Score: 1

      They didn't want to be dragged down by the extra weight.

    9. Re:Well, the ads do say "Get a Mac", not "Buy..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTOH, my PowerBook has lasted awhile now and is in decent shape after 4 years or so (even though it's suffered one 5 foot drop). I couldn't say that the same would be true of the slapped together plastic in a typical Dell.

      Way to go comparing Apple's top-of-the-line at the time (which btw has an aluminum body) with a 'typical plastic Dell.' You totally ownz man. For an encore, enlighten us about the durability differences between a BMW M3 and a Trabant.

  9. That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by EWAdams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using a gun in the commission of a felony usually gets you extra jail time... and these guys did this for $46,000 worth of gear, which probably has a value of about $3000 with a fence?

    If all I'm gonna get is $3000, I might as well... oh, I dunno, WORK for the money and not have the years in jail.

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    1. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Clever7Devil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good thing they didn't shoot the guard though. Bet the judge would have given them iLife.

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    2. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by codeguy007 · · Score: 1

      Well the made the Security Guard think they had a gun to scare him. Where they did or not would be hard to prove unless it was caught on camera.

    3. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by SBrach · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      $3000 in 31 seconds is $351,000 an hour. But you do have to deal with the ass rapings. You know, from using the Macs.

    4. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well the made the Security Guard think they had a gun to scare him. Where they did or not would be hard to prove unless it was caught on camera.

      The law often doesn't make a distinction between making your victim think you have a deadly weapon and actually possessing one.

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    5. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by SashaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod parent up. If you're going to commit a felony that will result in significant jail time, at least rob a bank or a high end jewelery store. Instead they steal an easily tracked, serial-numbered product with a ridiculously low fence-to-retail value. Furthermore, their crime is newsworthy enough ("Look at those shiny macbooks disappear!") that they manage to get coverage on major websites and news outlets.

      Finally, they incur the wrath of apple fanboys everywhere now determined to track them down: "Did you see how they handled those MacBooks! They might even have scratched the case!!!"

    6. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by ysth · · Score: 1

      Re gesturing like they had a gun, I watched the video twice and didn't see wtf that was talking about. Can anyone make any sense of this?

    7. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      > The law often doesn't make a distinction between making your victim think you have a deadly weapon and actually possessing one.

      That's right. If I imply I have a gun in my pocket and you jump me and kill me, the fact that I actually had no such gun doesn't matter. I led you to believe I did, therefore you acted as if I did.

      On the other hand, if you invade my country looking for the WMDs in my secret labs, which I damn well acted as if I had, people want to put you on trial as a war criminal.

      What a world.

    8. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you say they brandished a weapon then it was a violent crime -- robbery -- as opposed to just burglary and larceny. Prosecutors like to add such flair to their description of crimes because it makes for better headlines and plea bargains.

    9. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Funny

      WORK for the money and not have the years in jail.

      Nah, they aren't worried about spending too much time in jail. Last week they stole some iPhones and found out how easy it is to jailbreak.

    10. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Finally, they incur the wrath of apple fanboys everywhere now determined to track them down: "Did you see how they handled those MacBooks! They might even have scratched the case!!!"

      What are the fanboys going to do? Throw their frappuccinos at them? Picture a bunch of apple fanboys trying to intimidate you. You just giggled out loud, right? I mean, we're not exactly talking offensive linemen here...

    11. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by eggnet · · Score: 1

      So they can plan, get to the apple store in a coordinated manner, steal the equipment, fence it, split the money, and be ready for the next cycle in 31 seconds?

    12. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Funny

      "ass rapings. You know, from using the Macs."

      They have the rounded corners, to make that slightly less painful.

      Always thinking of the user Apple....

    13. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking crazy people with money - crazy people with money may have slightly less power than they used to, but when the firing squad fires, there's usually crazy people with money behind that.

    14. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Look at their hands, they are black. "Work" is not an option.

    15. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I remember correctly, the weapons of mass destruction situation was different. That would be more like you telling me I have a gun in my pocket, me denying it, and you beating me up even though I don't have it.

    16. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or better yet, the iChair.

    17. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      The law often doesn't make a distinction between making your victim think you have a deadly weapon and actually possessing one.

      Trouble is, it's fairly easy for even a public defender to get a jury to the reasonable doubt point on the matter. Easy to show that the witness only thought they were indicating they had a gun, when in fact they did not and were simply reaching into their pocket for a pillowcase to throw the loot in. Unless there actually is a gun that someone sees, the "with a gun" enhancement seldom flies.

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    18. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      you don't remember correctly.

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    19. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Maybe they stole if for their gang's use.

      That FBI Trojan won't work on a Macintosh, it is designed for Windows. Need Macs to be impossible to wiretap and hack into, and store the gang's data on it and their plans.

      Plus Gangstas got to listen to music as well, need iPods for that.

      Why would any self respecting gang member pay for a computer when they could steal and entire computer lab full of Macs in 31 seconds?

      Apple can make a new commercial based on it called "Gone in 31 seconds" and note that criminals are not even bothering to steal Windows based PCs.

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    20. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trouble is, it's fairly easy for even a public defender to get a jury to the reasonable doubt point on the matter.

      I wouldn't call that "trouble". That's the whole point of the system. The government SHOULD have to prove something beyond reasonable doubt before they are allowed to force someone into prison (where they are likely to be assaulted, raped, and possibly killed). I thank my lucky stars that I live in a place where, at least in theory, I can't have my life ruined simply because some cop with a grudge thinks I might have had a gun in my pocket.

    21. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by codeguy007 · · Score: 1

      Iraq had WMDs and had a history of using them. The UN destroyed some of them in the 90's. Apparently they had abandoned the WMD programs before the second war but pretended to still have them to provoke the US.

    22. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $3000 in 31 seconds is $351,000 an hour.

      No, your math is based on incorrect assumptions. That's like saying a custom-crafted software application earns the writer $50K/hr because you paid $25K for it and it took 30 minutes to install--- even though it took 2 months to write
      For a crime like this, you need to include the time spent planning, fencing, and then looking over your shoulder for the next 10 years (or sitting in jail 5 years if you're caught)... and also divide by the number of people doing it.

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    23. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Omnifarious · · Score: 1, Troll

      Actually, the war criminal charges have everything to do with torture sanctioned at the highest levels of government, and little to do with the actual war itself.

      And you have the facts wrong anyway. I don't think anybody in the Bush administration seriously believed that the Iraqis actually had any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. The Bush administration just staged a propaganda campaign to make people think the Iraqis did so there was a justification for war.

      Willful refusal to see evidence that's at variance with your conclusions. You wouldn't also happen to be a creationist, would you?

    24. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bank? Banks don't have money. Why do people think banks still have money? Even the ATMs are usually filled from preloaded cartridges brought in armored cars. THe bank itself has maybe $20K in cash, plus one of those exploding dye packets, plus a "panic button" that sends the cops in immediately. Banks haven't been a good target since late 60's, when everything started to go electronic.

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    25. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by dotgain · · Score: 1

      Well, we can see you'll never be a television reporter, what, with all that objectivity and bringing facts into the whole thing.

    26. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by dotgain · · Score: 1

      They made 46k in 31s. Divide by five and each man made a million dollars per hour. Face it. These guys aren't stupid.

      If you really believe that to be true, "These guys" must look like fucking geniuses to you.

    27. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, re-writing history is fun! If your first attempt to change the facts doesn't work, Plan B: they lead us on, those saucy minxes!

      Remind us (with a reputable source, please) when Iraq pretended to have WMDs in the build-up to the war?

    28. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

      Iraq definitely had WMD at one time. The US government should know, they sold them to Iraq to fight Iran. It is also true that Saddam either pretended, or really believed that Iraq still possessed WMD but the weapons inspectors knew there were no weapons. What strikes me as odd is that the Bush administration believed Saddam's posing and unreliable informants over more reliable sources like the UN weapons inspectors.

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    29. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like a sore BrownI

    30. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by ajlisows · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know this has more to do with kids and the lash back from the Columbine thing, but even toy guns have gotten people in trouble at some points in time. Here is one and and this one more extreme that ended up with a child getting shot by police. (I don't really know about these news sources, but I seem to remember stories like these and I didn't want to spend too much time looking.

      I think there are a good deal of cases like this. The second story is tragic but sadly, I can see where the police were coming from. If you tell someone to drop something you believe is a gun and they point it at you...well...you don't have much time to make a decision.

      My point is, the treat of a gun will probably be treated as a gun even if there was not one present.

    31. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      "WMD" is a marketing slogan anyways. Its job is to scare people about ICBMs on the basis of nothing more than gas (ala WWI).

    32. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      Iraq definitely had WMD at one time. The US government should know, they sold them to Iraq to fight Iran.

      Which weapons are you referring to? Add a reference to please.

      more reliable sources like the UN weapons inspectors.

      Hahahahaha.

    33. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Katchu · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you gotta figure in meetings, vacations, and sick leave plus 35% administrative overhead.

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    34. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd go so far as to say...

      GP was pointing out that, because they are black, they may have a harder time finding jobs (though, Jobs might just find them, after this). I doubt GP would be so brazen as to say because they are black they don't WANT jobs.

      I mean, they stole Macbooks. They want Jobs. Very much.

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    35. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, the iChair.

      Think they'd let Steve Ballmer beta test it?

    36. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by beingthebest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My Daddy was a cop. He always told us all, if you are going to steal, steal big, the penalty is about the same.

    37. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet, the iChair.

      Since when did Ballmer have a job at Apple?

    38. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Paxtez · · Score: 1

      The law often doesn't make a distinction between making your victim think you have a deadly weapon and actually possessing one.

      Sorta, for example robbery and terrorist threatening are upgraded if you imply you have a weapon, whether or not you do. But Hawaii has a special crime just for doing a felony while you have a gun that only counts if it's a real gun. I think there is a federal charge for basically the same thing.

    39. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by slimshady945 · · Score: 1

      Actually about $15,333... for some reason everyone decided that 1/3 retail is the going rate for stolen goods; at least in Michigan.

    40. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Eil · · Score: 1

      Using a gun in the commission of a felony usually gets you extra jail time

      The clip didn't say they had a gun, they only signaled that they had one. Dunno if that makes any difference in court, though.

      and these guys did this for $46,000 worth of gear, which probably has a value of about $3000 with a fence?

      Practice, maybe?

    41. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Eil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mod parent up. If you're going to commit a felony that will result in significant jail time, at least rob a bank or a high end jewelery store.

      Banks are nearly impossible to rob and get away with (unless it's an inside job and then you can really only do it once).

      Jewelry doesn't have that high a black-market or second-hand value. I don't know this from experience, but just look at craigslist and ebay. All the engagement rings that sold for thousands of dollars retail get pawned second-hand for an order of magnitude less. Plus jewelry stores are harder to rob since almost all of them are in well-secured shopping malls these days.

      Second-hand Apple products on eBay, however, fetch almost what you'd pay retail for brand-new ones. Couple that with the incredibly weak physical security of most Apple stores and it's hard to think of a more tempting target.

    42. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      note that the story doesn't state that they HAVE a gun, but rather, that they motioned in a manner that indicates they did. chances are that they did not have a gun, security guards are trained to CYOA first, they will seek safety in the presence of presumed lethal force, this guard appears to have done just that. my guess is he ran to the back office where the panic button is.

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    43. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Eil · · Score: 1

      I mean, we're not exactly talking offensive linemen here...

      Actually, I had a friend who's now an Apple store manager. He's big enough to be a linebacker, with the strength and attitude to match. His temper is so short, that if they would have robbed his store, he would have not only found the crooks by now, he would have them hog-tied and hand-delivered to the police in the trunk of his BMW.

      I wish I were joking.

    44. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      who cares? WMDs are not a valid excuse for war. the US has WMDs and only the US has ever been stupid enough to use nuclear weapons in war. pretty much every first world country has some sort of weapon that could be classified as a WMD. saber rattling is nothing new, the Soviets and the US provoked each other for decades without a single bullet being fired. the excuses laid out for the war in Iraq were arbitrary.

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    45. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by garompeta · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't be beautiful if there was a "crime tax"? I mean, it is a profession too right?

    46. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      My point is, the treat of a gun will probably be treated as a gun even if there was not one present.

      wow you must have gotten the best gifts as a child... or the worst beatings.

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    47. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice imaginary friend.

      the apple store manager, with hands bigger then you.

      has tied up an entire offensive squad one handed and placed them in his glove compartment.

      he once gave ice cream a brain freeze.

    48. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by R.Morton · · Score: 1

      could not be any worse than Lethal i Jection I suppose.

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    49. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it may be state by state...remember the movie raising arizona features repeated robberies with an unloaded gun for reduced jail time

    50. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      Do you know what accompanies twinks? Bears.

    51. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but because you denied it, you are bound to have it!

    52. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      Picture a bunch of apple fanboys trying to intimidate you. You just giggled out loud, right? I mean, we're not exactly talking offensive linemen here...

      The last thing I'd do in the presence of apple fanboys is giggle. Before you know it they'll think you're attracted to them and what happens after that...well, let's just say it involves turtlenecks.

      Not pretty.

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    53. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Almost, It's more like us saying you have a gun in your pocket, you saying that you don't have a gun, the parts for a gun, letting you look in my trousers for the gun, or the parts for a gun, and then beating you up because you didn't let us grab your junk while looking for the gun.

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    54. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After spending a long time looking through every pocket, and still not finding it.

    55. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by drsquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A better analogy would be me selling you a gun, then accusing you of being armed and running you over in my tank.

      Then killing a hundred thousand people.

      And still not finding your gun.

    56. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent up. If you're going to commit a felony that will result in significant jail time, at least rob a bank or a high end jewelery store.

      I guess it depends where you are, but certainly in the UK most bank robberies don't net that kind of money. Largely because the cashiers only have a certain amount of cash immediately on hand - most of it's in a safe which you have to punch in a code and then wait some time before it will open.

      This is why you often have to give the bank some notice before you withdraw a large amount of cash.

      Most jewellers aren't much easier - and the value of most jewellery is actually pretty terrible. The main reason it costs so much from the jeweller is DeBeer's marketing.

      I don't think any sort of armed robbery is a particularly useful thing to do professionally. You either target places with very valuable things to steal - in which case security will be tight and in order to make a decent living at it you'll have to rob so much that you'll draw attention to yourself sooner rather than later - or you target places with less valuable things with lower security. In which case you'll never earn any real money of any sort.

    57. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by 4phun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My Daddy was a cop. He always told us all, if you are going to steal, steal big, the penalty is about the same.

      Good ole Bernie proved this to be true, didn't he. Has anyone ever scored more than he did? He scored big for what, few short years in jail before he dies? All those years living large probably filled him with enough memories to last several life times. Wouldn't those memories make Bernie's time a lot easier to do than the time given to urban ghetto punks like these.

    58. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... some think just under $6,000 per hour ain't bad.

    59. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This of course, would be after you shot your stepbrother in the face, barged into your neighbor's house at gunpoint and tried to steal their car, a decade of bragging about your 357 magnum to your neighbors and repeatedly throwing cops with search warrants out of your house?

    60. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      And I'd rob a real jewelery! Something where you get at least millions!

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    61. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I stopped walking up to female police officers and saying things like, 'Hey baby, do I have a deadly weapon in my pants, or am I just happy to see you?'

    62. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      and only the US has ever been stupid enough to use nuclear weapons in war.

      That "stupid" move saved hundreds of thousands of Allied lives and probably millions of Japanese ones.

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    63. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I'm not sure it's a dumb idéa
      I mean, when the iLife runs out of, well, life, can you get a replacement from Apple ?
      Nevermind the cost.

    64. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how you throw in the fact that he has a BMW, as if that is supposed to "impress" us about the success of an Apple store manager. Depending on the year and model, sweetcheeks, a fucking McDonald's worker could afford a BMW.

    65. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Iraq had WMDs and had a history of using them. The UN destroyed some of them in the 90's. Apparently they had abandoned the WMD programs before the second war but pretended to still have them to provoke the US.

      The UN itself said before the war that Iraq was free of all WMDs, just like Iraq was *insisting all along*. Are you willfully ignorant of this, or was it some inexplicable accident?

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    66. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      It's far better to let a guilty person go free than send an innocent person to prison. The system of deterrence is not undermined by letting a few guilty people off.

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    67. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      It may not have been a good target due to the serial number issue, but it was otherwise a good choice. They were, after all, able to grab thousands of dollars worth of items in a matter of seconds. If you're going to burgle, pick a place that's unprepared for it.

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    68. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      If all I'm gonna get is $3000, I might as well... oh, I dunno, WORK for the money and not have the years in jail.

      Money (especially in a state of desperation) does crazy things to people. This isn't that far removed from someone who gambles their life savings in Las Vegas. Losing in this case may have harsher consequences, but the odds of winning are higher if you do it right.

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    69. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'm pretty sure that, to choose a relevant example, the bombs dropped in the "Shock and Awe" operation were pretty massively destructive. Or, to get back to nukes, the firebombing of Dresden was every bit as massively destructive as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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    70. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Maybe they stole if for their gang's use.

      Nothing about burgling requires a gang. In the days before eBay, it may have required underworld connections to sell your loot safely, but even that's not necessarily true anymore.

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    71. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      The iChair? That's just a rebranded iPod Electro. Watch your nuts.

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    72. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you did there.

    73. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by j-beda · · Score: 1

      ...it's hard to think of a more tempting target.

      Places that deal in cash, and large volume of merchandise. Scope out the local supermarket or big box retailer some time while standing in line - there is a lot of cash changing hands. Heck, a busy doughnut shop or fast-food place probably pulls in something like $10 per customer, with lots and lots of customers that can add up pretty quick. Get someone on the inside to let you know when the tills are full and before they get dropped into the time-lock safe and you can probably clear quite a bit of cash, and cash is very easy to fence....

    74. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by j-beda · · Score: 1

      If you do not report all your income, the income tax people can hit you with tax evasion penalties - isn't that how they got Capone? Spend significantly more than you earn and the tax folk will come calling - asking about your un-reported income.

      That's part of what "money laundering" is all about.

    75. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For many gangs, moving drugs and taxing solo players is the name of the game. Any self respecting gang member is swimming in cash.

    76. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

      Which weapons are you referring to? Add a reference to please.

      Do you even know who Henry Gonzalez is? My guess is that you don't.

      Hahahahaha.

      What's so funny? They were right and the Bush administration was wrong. It seems like you bought Bush's bullshit about the UN's ineptitude hook line and sinker. I guess their propaganda machine was effective on some people.

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    77. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by qubezz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup, my roommate wanted to cash a $25000 check, the bank had to order the money and call him when it came in. Money is much more profitable when it is imaginary numbers in computers earning interest than paper in vaults in bank branches.

    78. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did, dit they.

      Then why did the UN pass "United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441" claiming Iran was in violation of the Resolution 687.

      Hans Blix said he couldn't find WMDs and that Iraq was just slow to comply to 1441. US argued that they were in breach and asked the UN Security Counsel to Approve millitary action but France and Russia vetoed it.

    79. Re:That's pathetic! They get dumber every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then they dropped the second one after they'd already decoded the intent to surrender? How many lives did that save?

  10. Yeah, but- by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Funny

    if they were smart, they would have stolen AppleCare too. It's a really good value.

  11. Re:This is a duped story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a dupe if the other isn't approved....

  12. Upgrade cost by hessian · · Score: 4, Funny

    And will cost $52,838 to upgrade in another eight months.

    1. Re:Upgrade cost by writermike · · Score: 1

      $46,345 -- That DAMN Apple tax. There's no way the same amount of Linux systems would cost that much.

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  13. Re:This is a duped story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The video from that submission doesn't make my eyes bleed, thanks! Whoever posted it to youtube stretched it horizontally by a factor of 4:3 like an idiot.

  14. It wasn't a robbery! by Anonymous+Cowar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was a beta test of the Apple's new Rapid Acquisition System. They're about to roll it out for use in providing businesses with their computing needs. Apple: Breaking down barriers and plate glass doors.

    1. Re:It wasn't a robbery! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This gets modded insightful? Really?

    2. Re:It wasn't a robbery! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems very appropriate now that Black Friday approaches. At least they seem to have an strategic advantage over Walmart.

  15. Re:This is a duped story... by TheGreenNuke · · Score: 1

    Look at your link again. Specifically the part of it that looks like this : */submission/* . Notice how that looks compared to the address for this story that looks like */story/*

  16. Stupid by ShooterNeo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Committing an armed robbery with a firearm has sent people to prison for 75 years or more. That's not the average sentence, but the criminal justice system is like a slot machine. Not worth it for a 1/5 share of 20k or less..

    1. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know if there were actually bullets in the gun? An empty gun can be as useful as a real one in getting people to cooperate with you in a crime, but will significantly reduce your jail time if caught. By having a completely unloaded gun and no ammo on your person you can't be charged with having an intent to harm anyone. In fact, I wonder if you can still even been considered "armed" at that point.

    2. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter if there were bullets in the gun, it's still armed robbery.

    3. Re:Stupid by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      > [...] the criminal justice system is like a slot machine.

      Sit playing it long enough, and a scantily-clad woman will come up to you and offer you free drinks?

  17. Gone in 31 seconds by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They got iphones there... How much time till they get located by GPS like in this case.

    Not sure if still unsold iphones are somewhat in MobileMe or something like that as extra security.

    1. Re:Gone in 31 seconds by codeonezero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I haven't really checked out how they set up iPhones on display, but back when I worked at an Apple Store, every Mac on the floor room had a @mac.com that identified it to the store. Considering these are display/demo iPhones I wouldn't be surprised if they were active and on MobileMe. So these criminals although fast probably aren't very clever. So assuming they're activated, Apple could already have a general idea of where the criminals are and relayed the info to local authorities.

      --

      ....
      int main (void) { ... }

  18. Unemployment in New Jersey 9.6% by NoYob · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With all those retired folks having lost much of their retirement in the stock market (wtf were retired or soon to be retired folks STILL in the market is beyond me), they have gone back to work: flipping burgers, retail, and other jobs that usually younger folks take - employers prefer older workers because they have a work ethic - usually.. Hence the reason why the unemployment rate among teenagers and early 20 somethings are well into the double digits.

    Add in their race, which looks like African American from the video, that adds quite a few more points on to their unemployment issues - for various reasons that I won't get into and which we all know.

    Now, I'm by no means condoning what they did: I'm just trying to promote some understanding. When folks get desperate, they do desperate things. Just getting a job, for many, is not an option - especially in one of the worst economies in decades.

    There are some doing to support substance abuse, which being an addict precludes employment. They need help.

    Now, there's the crowd that does this shit because "it's cool". They're just punks they should get their asses shot off.

    --
    It's NOT me! It's the meds! I'm on 1000mg of Fukitol.
    1. Re:Unemployment in New Jersey 9.6% by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With all those retired folks having lost much of their retirement in the stock market (wtf were retired or soon to be retired folks STILL in the market is beyond me),

      It's hard to remember how people talked in different times, isn't it:

      Smart asset management
      March 6, 2000: 6:08 p.m. ET
      Expert suggests a combination of stocks and bonds as an ideal strategy

      With ten years before you retire, you still have a fairly long time horizon. While there is never a guarantee, the odds are well in your favor that a heavy exposure to equities will pay off handsomely. Think how you would feel if you had missed out on the last ten years in the market.

      But as you approach retirement you probably will want to scale back to your preferred retirement asset allocation.

      Even if you were going to retire tomorrow, you still might be wise to hold at least 50 to 60 percent of your plan in stocks. With earlier retirement, longer life expectancies, and persistent inflation, the retiree must invest to supply both a reliable income and a hedge against inflation. Stocks alone could be far too volatile. Bonds alone will not generate enough total return. But a combination of stocks and bonds offers the highest probability of meeting both needs successfully.

    2. Re:Unemployment in New Jersey 9.6% by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      While riding New Jersey Transit the day after this crime took place, I heard a conversation about it. One guy actually said, "What do they expect with only a plate glass window between the outside and all of that stuff?"

    3. Re:Unemployment in New Jersey 9.6% by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      Yeah - because we all know that crime didn't exist in the past. This just *must* be due to the unemployment rate going from the normal 4-6% up to an astonishing 9.6%.

      Who'll think about the children?

  19. Apple Marketing Strategy... by Xin+Jing · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be sad if this was an elaborate Apple marketing strategy? Apple paid to insure and supply this 'newsitem'. Every single person involved signed a non-disclosure agreement and were actors, the police where informed it was a conbination product promotion and security training seminar about high-dollar burglaries that occur in under a minute. "Thankfully, no one was injured. Police are investigating the robbery".

    1. Re:Apple Marketing Strategy... by moon3 · · Score: 1

      Staged? I would not be surprised, they throw tens of millions on marketing.

    2. Re:Apple Marketing Strategy... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      with the exception that whole 'filing a false police claim' problem they would get into.

      The police can't 'lie' about something, or rather wouldn't about something like this. Whether or not they have ticket quotas, sure they'll lie like a rug ;-) But they've got no vested interest here.

      --
      People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people :-D
    3. Re:Apple Marketing Strategy... by Xin+Jing · · Score: 1

      That's the rub, there's no false claim because in this hypothetical marketing project, Apple informed the authorities and perhaps invited or paid off-duty officers to supervise a "dramatic re-enactment designed to promote brand loyalty and increase perceived product value". If it were a commercial, there would have to be small print at the bottom of the screen, a disclaimer. If it's a live staged re-enactment of a non-emergency with superficial interaction by local authorities, detailed merchandise inventory, is it mandatory that law enforcement inform the media it was fake, especially if the law enforcement officials involved were compensated, signed NDAs and all city safety protocols were observed. It would be even more compelling if Apple paid a separate company to handle the production if anything backfired.

    4. Re:Apple Marketing Strategy... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      if it's a fake robbery, somehow I don't think the local police would be posting it on their website as a crime:

      http://www.eveshampd.org/press_releases/09-02-09.htm

      --
      People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people :-D
  20. Magsafe by Mike610544 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good think those Macbooks have the magsafe connector for the power cord. Those thieves could have been looking at some costly repairs if they had been stealing Dells. Maybe that's their next commercial: "I stole a PC, but when I grabbed it the power connector broke, now it's like BEEP, BEEP, BEEP."

    --
    ... also, I can kill you with my brain.
  21. iStupid by CommanderEl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why did I assume when I read the title of the post, that someone had cleared out and ninja'ed the App store on my iPhone. So I immediately checked to see if it was still there, in my iPhone. Owning apple products turns you into stupid.

    1. Re:iStupid by bertoelcon · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Owning apple products turns you into stupid.

      +1 ABSOLUTE FACT

      --
      Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
    2. Re:iStupid by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      "You have stolen all the apps from the Apple Store. There are no more left for anyone. Ever. FLAWLESS VICTORY."

      --
      Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
  22. smash by beckett · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once again, a dramatic demonstration of Windows failure. I'm getting a little tired of these attack ads.

    1. Re:smash by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows that Macs are so safe they don't need a firewall!

      --
      Be relentless!
    2. Re:smash by Vu1turEMaN · · Score: 1

      Apple Evolved! Their new product is.....

      fDoors.

      Cause doors can fuck off. We use Windows.

    3. Re:smash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly think that was funny? I am serious here. Did you LAUGH AT YOUR JOKE?

  23. Elementary, my dear Watson by nbauman · · Score: 1

    The criminals must have cased the joint in advance.

    So if the store ran their surveillance videos all day and kept the recordings for a while, the perpetrators should appear somewhere on the recordings.

    Unless they did something stupid like erase the recordings.

    Also, can't they locate those iPhones with triangulation?

    1. Re:Elementary, my dear Watson by sc7 · · Score: 1

      Only if the thieves are too dumb to turn off location services.

    2. Re:Elementary, my dear Watson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better, they can use the built-in gps and use the "Where is my iPhone" service from MobileMe :P
      and there it is.. on google

    3. Re:Elementary, my dear Watson by barzok · · Score: 1

      The guard may have been in on it as well.

    4. Re:Elementary, my dear Watson by agnosticnixie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it was a private Garda-type employee, chances are it's less "in on it" and more "fuck I'm not paid enough to risk my life for peanuts in the inventory"

    5. Re:Elementary, my dear Watson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor should they. In fact, most employers tell their people to give robbers (particularly armed ones) what they want and no risk their lives. Merchandise costs money, but lawsuits from dead or wounded employees are *really* expensive.

  24. quick release power connectors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve Jobs notes the quick release power connectors, making the job up to 3 times faster than a PC.

  25. You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quoth CNN's article:

    The magsafe cords detached instantly, offering no resistance and leaving power sockets undamaged.

    Finally, the stiff unibody shells meant that the villains could grab the notebooks one-handed from a corner with no flexing, and no risk to the internal circuitry, the tough aluminum bodies resisting the jostling clanks inside the sacks.

    And so we see that it is true that Apple really does design for the end-user, with small efficiencies that all add up. Thanks to Apple, the scoundrels managed to load up their booty 23 Macbook Pros, 14 iPhones and nine iPod Touches in just 31 seconds.

    MacBooks: Laptops for a better class of criminal!

    --
    "The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
    1. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by HazMat+79 · · Score: 1

      If I was the cops I would start looking for brand new Macs online with slight case scratches and no power cords.

    2. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing all the display model serial numbers are recorded. First time someone attempts to sync with iTunes, the device locks itself and displays the message that it is stolen property and should be returned to the hive mind...

    3. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm guessing all the display model serial numbers are recorded. First time someone attempts to sync with iTunes, the device locks itself and displays the message that it is stolen property and should be returned to the hive mind...

      You've got JAIL!!!!

    4. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by e9th · · Score: 2

      Sorry. Atonement for hasty moderation.

    5. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

      CNN: Thieves strike Apple store in NJ... I'm just saying.

      --
      "By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
    6. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. What an asset you'd make to the detective force. "I'd start by looking for the items that were stolen"...

    7. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And surely Apple is going to know what the serial numbers of the machines are?

    8. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by bemymonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're aware that there is security cam footage of this heist, right? Watch it.

    9. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You're a bit of a dim-wit to try to correct other people when you don't know yourself. You don't even have to RTFA, just WTFV. Idiot.

    10. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by sonicmerlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You *still* haven't watched the full video, have you? *facepalm*

    11. Re:You're not kidding, check out CNN's take by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I didn't know people could actually be as dumb as you and still remember to breathe.

      Not worked out how to view the video yet huh?

  26. No security cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing that made this robbery particularly easy is that it appears that the electronics store didn't lock down their display models with security cables.
    Possible inside job?

    1. Re:No security cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the merchandise is so valuable that they need an all-night security guard, why not just install a safe and store the display notebooks there overnight?

    2. Re:No security cables by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most people who buy laptops aren't going to be tethered to a desk. A big honking security cage or even a simple security cable prevents a prospective buyer from getting a feel for how portable the laptop is. Perhaps Apple should follow the lead of jewelry stores, and lock up its merchandise after hours. To be fair, most jewelry stores are designed with this closing procedure in mind, whereas most at most Apple stores, the laptops would have to be stored in back room-- which may not be more secure in any meaningful way

    3. Re:No security cables by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      The last time I was in an Apple store they were using those "alarm goes off when you unplug me" type security devices built in to the Ethernet cables, not the physical lock attachment ones.

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      this is my sig
  27. Dammit by stms · · Score: 0

    They Beat my best time by 15 seconds.

  28. The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed. by jpstanle · · Score: 5, Funny

    He talks about the burglars being "savvy enough to wear masks" and being able to distracting an unarmed security guard. Last time I checked, these sorts of tactics qualified as being "not retarded," but not quite "criminal mastermind."

  29. A more useful URL to the start of the action... by JasonB · · Score: 4, Informative

    Skips over the newscaster BLAH BLAH BLAH:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qER69SvyYV8#t=0m48s

  30. Maybe Apple will be smart by mysidia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And have a list of serial numbers of stolen units...

    And blacklist them from being able to install new versions of Apple software.

    And make them automatically send phone-home messages to Apple and get bricked the next time a software update is attempted. With a message that says "Please bring to your nearest Apple store for service"

    1. Re:Maybe Apple will be smart by sc7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another reason to avoid Apple's ecosystem. Sure, I hope these thieves do get caught, and it would be fine if that happened. But the fact that they could have the ability to do that because they control the whole product is quite disconcerting.

    2. Re:Maybe Apple will be smart by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      You know, you shouldn't be so gullible. Just because some Slashdotter thought it might be something Apple should do doesn't mean that it's something Apple does do. Or even can do.

      --
      This ain't rocket surgery.
    3. Re:Maybe Apple will be smart by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, part of the iTunes EULA states you may not use it for terrorism. So...

    4. Re:Maybe Apple will be smart by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      I can't? Damn, what are we gonna do now, Abdullah?

      --
      This ain't rocket surgery.
  31. Thank god they didnt download apple software! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Otherwise their "theft" would have been pursued by special congressional committees and they'd be prosecuted for extreme global economic damage!

    According to bsa statistics, each pirated piece of software is worth 3,000,000,000,000,000,000 us dollars!

  32. Apple will restore them... by techmuse · · Score: 0

    The laptops were surely backed up using a Time Capsule. Not only will Apple restore them to their pre-theft state, but they can also go back in time and wipe out the thieves' ancestors, thus preventing the crime from being committed in the first place. Of course, this will create a bit of a paradox...

  33. Obviously... by dangitman · · Score: 0, Troll

    This theft was organized by Microsoft.

    --
    ... and then they built the supercollider.
  34. No bars behind the glass? by whereiswaldo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't remember the last time I saw an electronics store that doesn't have a retractable security gate (bars):

      http://www.securityshuttersolutions.co.uk/retractable_gates.html

    That would have at least cost the thieves some time and not make it so "knife through warm butter" easy.

    1. Re:No bars behind the glass? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably for aesthetic reasons. Apple should have specced shatter proof glass. In fact, that's probably why the laptops were left unsecured in the store-- to tempt people into visiting during normal working hours.

    2. Re:No bars behind the glass? by everynerd · · Score: 1

      I doubt Apple is concerned with how aesthetically pleasing the store is after hours when no one can purchase their products.

    3. Re:No bars behind the glass? by michaelwv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, they are concerned. The stores are continual advertisements. Marketing would be horrified if they looked barricaded and unfriendly after hours.

    4. Re:No bars behind the glass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jewelry stores do it. Move the equipment (all but the most visible) to a strong box in the back (not perfect, but it would cost thieves time). This is, in my personal opinion, a perfect demonstration of what is wrong with the Apple aesthetic: form over function.

      For the shareholders, $50,000 is peanuts. On the other hand, it's a cheap lesson.
       

    5. Re:No bars behind the glass? by paul248 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They just need to cover the steel bars with a matte black cloth, topped with a gently pulsing white light.

    6. Re:No bars behind the glass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you would have thought the marketing team had installed androids to throw the thieves from the fourth floor window.

      Too soon?

    7. Re:No bars behind the glass? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Apple should have specced shatter proof glass.

      Shatter proof glass does not mean it won't break. In fact, shatter-proof is probably the worst description of it because the one thing it will do is shatter. Only unlike most glass, it will shatter into pieces which aren't very sharp.

      Obviously there are various glass windows you can get which are more resistant to someone hitting them with a baseball bat but with guys like this, they'd just have reversed a van into the window.

    8. Re:No bars behind the glass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously though, you do get aesthetically designed security grilles that allow you to see easily the products in the store, provide adequate security and don't look as ugly as sin. But as other posters have said, for now at last the free publicity is worth more to Apple than the increase in insurance premiums.

  35. MobileMe? by malchus6 · · Score: 0

    What no MobileMe accounts on those stolen iPhones? That would have made for some great PR if they used it to bust a bunch of criminals... Maybe the free trial expired.

    --
    You can fool some of the people all of the time ... and those are the ones you should concentrate on.
    1. Re:MobileMe? by KylePflug · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can disable location services on the phone (or even just the "Find my iPhone" feature), at which point MobileMe doesn't work. Alternatively, they could have just turned the phones off.

  36. Serial numbers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real loser here is the sucker that buys them on the turnaround. Apple will certainly flag all the serial numbers of the items stolen. What are the chances none of those things will need warranty service?

    What if they register them when prompted...?

    Maybe they can track the iPhones with Back To My Mac.....

  37. You Find It, You Keep It! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 0, Troll

    I was a Microsoft laptop hunter and now I'm 31 Macintoshes!

  38. Apple and stolen iPods by charlieo88 · · Score: 0

    Apple will know as soon as any of those iPods touches iTunes. What, are the crooks going to sit on them until the statute of limitations is up? So, nice execution, poor planning. Of course, maybe they saw that new report where Apple doesn't really want to help you get back your stolen iPod... cause then you won't buy another.

    1. Re:Apple and stolen iPods by east+coast · · Score: 1

      At that point the thief won't care. Stolen property is a problem to those who buy it, not those who sell it.

      --
      Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
    2. Re:Apple and stolen iPods by charlieo88 · · Score: 1

      And of course, those who buy the stolen property will protect yon Robin Hood from the vile Sheriff of Notingham... OR, they'll be moderately pissed about the money they gave the crook for the merchandise they had to surrender because it was stolen, and tell the police exactly how to find said Robin Hood.

    3. Re:Apple and stolen iPods by east+coast · · Score: 1

      That works nice on eBay but try to do that at a swap meet where merchandise normally has shady origins.

      If stolen property couldn't be sold without going to jail then there would be hardly any theft. Thieves know their trade and it seems like they're a well seasoned in this particular case.

      --
      Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
  39. I was amazed by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mostly I was amazed that the window broke so thoroughly. I'd have thought that it would have some film on it or other treatment that would make it somewhat resistant to such an attack.

    --
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    1. Re:I was amazed by michaelwv · · Score: 3, Informative

      The windows are supposed to break like that. The windows break into thousands of surprisingly unsharp pieces. It's for the opposite case of getting out of the store in case of emergency or just in general making breaking a window not as potentially lethal.

    2. Re:I was amazed by slimshady945 · · Score: 1

      Those doors are not a strong a people would think. I've seen them break from getting torqued funny while closing.

      I know ghetto gates don't look inviting, but would have prevented this or made them work harder. I bet they had inside help though...

    3. Re:I was amazed by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      The GP was thinking of a thin plastic film they put on the shop windows usually. The same is used for tinting car windows, but those are usually transparent. My friend installs those and are very hard to break. The window may crack but will not disintegrate so they still need to get through. They would need a car probably to ram it, but using a brick wouldn't help them in that case.

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    4. Re:I was amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which part of [i]t's for the opposite case of getting out of the store in case of emergency did you not understand? The film would defeat that purpose. You were SO very excited to tell about your INSIDE KNOWLEDGE of tint due to your FRIEND who installs the stuff, but come on. Think before acting on the flashing "my peers on Slashdot will think I am cool!" strobe light in your undeveloped emotional brain center.

  40. Labor Day Sale! by chicago_scott · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's a Blowout Labor Day Mac Sale on newjersey.craigslist.org! If you miss this, you'd better be dead... or in jail... and if you're in jail, BREAK OUT!

  41. The laptops have kesington locks on them by osssmkatz · · Score: 1

    Why don't they use them? It takes away from the retail experience, I'll grant you.

    1. Re:The laptops have kesington locks on them by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      That's exactly why they don't use them. They use squealers connected via ethernet jack tethers that emit a high frequency pitch when disconnected. Each one of those yanked portables set one off when they pulled it from the security tether. Each iPod/iPhone also has one with a simple pressure switch that is glued to the back of the device.

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  42. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Informative

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  43. "Perps?" by Stiletto · · Score: 0

    Really? Perps? I don't know anyone who seriously uses that word besides hopped-up cops on TV.

    How 'bout we call them what they are until they have their day in court: SUSPECTS.

    1. Re:"Perps?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      When you refer to an individual that "perpetrated" a crime, without knowing who they are, perp[etrator] is the proper term to use. We don't suspect that these guys robbed that store - we know they did - now to find them.

      However, when the cops finally pick up a person they "suspect" perpetrated the crime, they are a suspect.

    2. Re:"Perps?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a dumb asshole.

    3. Re:"Perps?" by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      How 'bout we call them what they are until they have their day in court: SUSPECTS.

            When caught in flagrante like that on video tape, it would take a hell of a lot more than OJ Simpson's lawyers to argue about "reasonable doubt". Who knows, maybe the whole video was photoshopped by police? No, these people are guilty. To call them "suspects" is an insult to any living thing with a brain. Now proving that John Doe is actually the person seen in the video is a job for the prosecutor.

            Would you call someone who shoots your wife in front of your eyes an "alleged killer" or a "suspect", and consider them "innocent until proven guilty"? A smoking gun is a smoking gun.

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    4. Re:"Perps?" by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Or to put it another way, the people who show up in court are suspects until it is proved that they are the people in the video.

  44. Kensington lock? by xlotlu · · Score: 1

    Do Kensington locks on macbooks feature a magsafe connector?

  45. I've heard this one before by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm just waiting for one of the thieves to return to the same store trying to get service for one of the stolen computers.

    1. Re:I've heard this one before by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Funny

      I used to work in Two Guys in NJ back in the 70s. Thieves actually walked out the door with a freakin' canoe. And they'd have gotten away with it, if they hadn't come back for the oars. Dumb shits.

      --
      Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
  46. Re:This is a duped story... by lag10 · · Score: 1

    Alright. Even if it's not a dupe, it still would've been nice to use the original submission. What exactly makes the published story better than the one I cited? The answer: absolutely nothing.

    Considering that the other one was posted first, I think that that poster deserved to get credit for the story.

    Apparently Slashdot disagrees.

  47. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by cdrudge · · Score: 1

    Don't forget "skilled practice at the art of bringing down the plate glass door. It's hard to break tempered glass, isn't it?

  48. Planning a robbery? by realmolo · · Score: 0

    There's an app for that.

  49. That explains it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'd wondered why the newest HP laptop ad featuring that "laptop hunter" chick didn't show her face - now I know why. She's gaming Microsoft - she turns her nose up at Mac laptops during the commercial; collects her paycheck; then later goes back for a smash and grab to get the laptop she really wanted.

    Only thing left to do is watch for the HP laptop on eBay.

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    1. Re:That explains it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha nice. I always knew Mac users were very creative in their trolling. Good job ! You should visit steve jobs ASAP and offer your bum-hole for yet another raping.

    2. Re:That explains it by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      You should visit steve jobs ASAP and offer your bum-hole

            Nah, he's more the liver type.

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  50. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by dotgain · · Score: 1

    Not to mention the 'extreme skill used in smashing the plate-glass window' (paraphrased, not willing to watch the sensationalist bulletin again just to quote verbatim)

  51. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by dotgain · · Score: 1

    Note to self: Scroll around and refresh more. Wouldn't it be great if the Reply form also loaded other sibling posts that have come up recently? No shit it's been a minute since I last posted a comment.

  52. Someone's head is going to roll...... by iq+in+binary · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who works for a computer store............

    I hope to god someone gets canned for this. There were so many ways to prevent this that cost maybe 1/4 of the value of the merchandise stolen. Laminated glass instead of plate on the doors, Kensington locks, or even just locking the product up in a cage or safe after hours. One of the most important rules of retail is control of the product. Further more, you can see that they don't even have pylons in the front of the store to prevent someone driving their car through the glass. The guard wasn't armed, either.

    If these machines were insured, there is no way in hell an agent would approve the claim. Those products were pretty much offered up on a platter. I have worked for several retailers, most of them computer stores, and I have NEVER seen a laptop whether Mac or PC without a Kensington lock on a sales floor.

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    1. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear they have kensington locks at my local apple store, I guess ours is the ghetto Apple store.

    2. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Ostsol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as someone who works at a glass distributer I can second the suggestion that laminated glass would have proved much more secure. It's not proof against break-ins, but getting in would take a more work than just smashing at it. It's also safer in accidents than plate glass. . .

    3. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because the Apple store wants to have heavy bulky locks and annoying alarms that go off if you even look at the product. That certainly fits with their aesthetics.

    4. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      How many apple stores are there? And how many of them have been robbed? The probability of this happening is far less than 25%, so... if you think spending that money is a good idea, you're welcome to play in my home poker game anytime.

      And I'm not even considering the marketing loss associated with filling an apple store with a bunch of ugly-ass Kensington locks.

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    5. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      And I'm not even considering the marketing loss associated with filling an apple store with a bunch of ugly-ass Kensington locks.

      With as many of them as Apple would need to lock a couple dozen computers for each of a few hundred stores, I'm sure they can commission a nice looking lock from someone. Their iPod nano displays look like custom pieces, and they usually have more notebooks than nanos on display. I recall they have nice looking locks for their iDevices, I see no reason why they don't have something like that for the notebooks.

      That said, as you say, given the relative cost with outfitting all stores with this, and only a few of them get robbed in a year, maybe it's not worth it. This is the first large heist of an Apple Store I recall reading about. Until they happen more often, maybe things are fine the way they are.

    6. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your post is a great illustration of why Apple Stores beat the pants off most computer stores in terms of revenue per square foot. You're all worked up about so-called "loss prevention" that you've forgotten about getting people to actually buy the stuff. Apple Stores have been operating for how many years and this is the first one that's been hit like this? Meanwhile locking the product away after hours so nobody can see it would have cost Apple far more than a piddling $45,000 in profit over that time.

      The goal in retail is to make money, not to prevent theft. Theft prevention is simply one way to achieve that goal. Every security measure you take must be weighed against potential lost sales. Some of your advice would make little difference, like laminated glass, but pylons and locked-up merchandise are extremely unfriendly and are likely to backfire in terms of profitability.

    7. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Falconhell · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am surprised it is legal to use plate glass in a door or street level window, it is illegal to fit in such locations here in .au.

    8. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple stores, like any large chain, don't set policy like that locally.

      I assume being lax on security was a risk they calculated to be worthwhile for the much more friendly appearance.

      And when I say "they" I mean someone *very* high up in the food chain. That team or person is not going to be fired.

    9. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately those "laptop locks" are next to worthless, $10 bolt cutters make short work of them. Short of locking the product up, there isn't much in the way of prevention.

    10. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Eil · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The guard wasn't armed, either.

      That's a GOOD thing. It helps keep the guard alive in situations like this. A guard caught up in a robbery is FAR less likely to get shot when the attackers know that he's unarmed. Most thieves are not killers, even when hopped up on drugs or alcohol. You don't want to give the criminal any reason whatsoever to pull the trigger in a tense situation. The guard's life (even the lives of the thieves, despicable though they are) are more important than some merchandise. In a retail setting, the guard is basically a low-tech security system with a salary: he's only there to deter nonviolent opportunistic thieves, nothing more.

    11. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Joelfabulous · · Score: 1

      I was just in an Apple store for the first time the other day (in Ottawa), and needless to say, beyond alarm locks, I don't think there was anything else securing the items in the shop. At least, that's all that were on the iPhones, I didn't look too hard at the rest of the stuff.

      And nothing was locked behind cases. It was very odd in that it's not like any other computer store -- just hardwood tables and Apple electronics on them, with a massive double sided shelving unit in the middle of the store, and similar hardwood tables at the back with the registers hidden from sight -- which is probably why it was so busy. People like the sense of self-importance the Apple brand gives them. I'm willing to be it looks cleaner and friendlier to the average person.

      and hey, I'd rather they get an Apple computer if they're not willing to take certain precautions to keep viruses and crap off their system. Heck, even when you know what you're doing, a Windows system is sometimes irreparably hosed...

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    12. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by ehanuise · · Score: 1

      If they had to use bolt cutters, they'd either reap 1/4 of the merchandise or take 4 times longer to clean it all. One way or another, it's a (small) deterrent.

    13. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      Locking down a product can be done very aesthetically pleasing. Also, they could have been fitted with hidden GPS trackers so the robbers could be found easily. Remember, these are demo models that isn't going to be sold (who wants a machine that's been used a thousand hours by thousands of people right off the streets?) so they can easily be 'special' in various ways.

      Now, the most important thing is to catch those guys and get them behind bars for a few decades. Pulling something like this is likely to give them confidence so they'll definitely be doing more crime, and next time they will be even more ambitious and daring, probably taking even more. They need to be stopped and put away, as are those stupid people buying their stolen goods, keeping thieves and robbers like these in business.

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    14. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I'm typing this reply on an ex-demo MacBook from PC World. The fact that it was £150 cheaper than new ones made me less bothered about the scratches on it.

      It has a serial number on it, and I would be very surprised if Apple weren't able to trace back exactly where this machine has been from it.

    15. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple Stores have been operating for how many years and this is the first one that's been hit like this?

      You think this is the first?

      Believe it or not, stores getting robbed isn't international news headlines. Even when it's Apple.

      And I love how you twist the expense of their products as being a good thing - of course they make a lot of revenue per square foot.

    16. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple Stores have been operating for how many years and this is the first one that's been hit like this?

      Most apple stores are rented space within much bigger stores. This probably isn't the first to be hit, however, it's probably the first that's being spun into a hype piece for the gay community's favorite brand.

    17. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was very odd in that it's not like any other computer store -- just hardwood tables and Apple electronics on them, with a massive double sided shelving unit in the middle of the store, and similar hardwood tables at the back with the registers hidden from sight

      Um... you DO realize that, oh, EVERYONE knows about this? And this is why Apple Stores are mocked? That's like saying, "You know, I saw a Ferrari for the first time the other day. It's amazing that they are really pretty, and really fast. Did you know that they are Italian? Yeah, it's crazy." Common knowledge, FUCKFACE.

    18. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The expense of the machines certainly is a good thing for the company that makes them if they can actually sell them in quantity, which Apple clearly can.

      There's no "of course" about their revenue figures. Apple's store in midtown Manhattan is the highest grossing store on Fifth Avenue, and I can guarantee you that they are not even close to the most expensive store there. Apple's revenue per square foot is better than Tiffany's and Harry Winston.

    19. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Marillion · · Score: 1

      I agree, when a store locks their gear down, I feel like they presume I'm a theft. It does affect my purchasing habits. I like the presumption of trust I get when I walk through an Apple store versus Best Buy.

      However, it would be a simple to matter to have a rolling cage that is kept in the back and rolled in and out before and after the store closes so that the easy-to-carry, high-value merchandise could be secured. It may take 20 minutes in the morning and 20 more in the evening.

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    20. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And eight hours at night where every passerby is presented with an unfriendly cage instead of a shining friendly (albeit locked) room full of gleaming computers.

    21. Re:Someone's head is going to roll...... by Wayne247 · · Score: 1

      That's a port worth a billion mod points.

      I've always wondered why I am so reluctant to enter a Staples store. You've just told me why: the intimidating pillars at the entrance, the metal grids in the windows, I almost feel like entering a prison! Now an apple store, in contrast, is friendly, inviting, open.

      Same goes for "trying products". At every store I went to, Costco, Futureshop, Bestbuy, all computers are always locked down to the screen saver or the logon screen. How am I supposed to buy a COMPUTER if I cannot use it? That'd be like buying a car without driving it. Makes no sense. Just walk into any Apple store and you can sit down with any computer you wish, and browse away to you heart's content. This is brilliant.

      No wonder Apple is making billions. They hire people with brains.

  53. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remarkably simple, actually. Just needs a sharp point impact. Check out the devices sold for breaking car windows "in case your car falls into the water".

  54. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by phillyclaude · · Score: 1

    thanks for getting the joke

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  55. Cost of merchandise vs. cost of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can tell you as an Architect, the cost of replacing the window will more than outweigh the cost of the computers for Apple.

    1. Re:Cost of merchandise vs. cost of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the truth. Especially considering that Apple uses extra clear glass in their stores. Don't believe me? Next time you're there, look for the greenish tint you usually find on a lot of windows. You won't find it there.

  56. Didn't the Guard... by d'baba · · Score: 1

    ...have an iProd1,1? Maybe next year.
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  57. Rumor has it... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    It only took them 31 more seconds to get them all listed on Craigslist...

  58. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably the most excited thing that has happened in Marlton, NJ in a long time. Cut the newscaster some slack.

  59. Glass houses: throwing stones.... by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    How do you like them apples?

  60. Wrong kind of glass. by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 1

    In many retail shop units, the door is part of the building and belongs to the landlord.

    In this case, the glass door simply shattered into tiny glass fragments - so it was toughened but not a security door: It would make an adequate internal glass door but whoever fitted that as an exterior door was stupid.

    Perhaps the landlord did that to save some money on the door. If that is the case, the landlord may find that Apple's insurer would want them to reimburse Apple for the loss of merchandise due to failure to use the correct type of door.

    The correct kind of door would be laminated toughened glass... It may crack but it would take a lot more effort to break it down. They tend not to shatter into tiny pieces but instead would 'soften' after repeated assaults until they fail.
    The computer shop I worked at a decade ago had that kind of glass door - it was remarkably forgiving of rough treatment without failure... Although it did fail when a Land Rover hit it at more than 30 mph.

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  61. Apple Security by nukem996 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always said Apple has poor security. Look who's laughing now!!!!

  62. New Jersey by amiga500 · · Score: 1

    I think this says more about New Jersey than it does Apple.

  63. Re:This is a duped story... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    preemptive dupe, then

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  64. Didn't this happen three days ago? by Ned+Scott · · Score: 0, Troll

    jesus christ slashdot, could you be any slower in reporting the news?

  65. You fail loss prevention math. by raehl · · Score: 1

    If it costs 1/4th the value of the product to secure it, unless the number of thefts exceeds one fourth the number of locations, it's cheaper to not secure the goods and let it be stolen.

    Or, put another way, it's cheaper to let $40k of stuff be stolen once a year than to pay a security guard to watch it get stolen.

    1. Re:You fail loss prevention math. by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Except that the measures to be taken are CAPITAL. You don't let a Kensington lock walk out the door with every machine. That laminated glass only gets replaced the once in a decade or so that someone tries to smash it. You only need to spend that $10K when you would normally need to replace capital which is not at all often. One lump sum at the beginning stages of the store's development and you prevent something like this from happening for a decade. In an average computer store (Usually clears $1M-$2M annually), that literally equates to minute fractions of a penny on every purchase, let alone the annual outlook.

      When you make $50/Hr as a math tutor, you might have a leg to stand on talking to me about math. Take a business class or something.

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    2. Re:You fail loss prevention math. by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

      But you do have to pay people to lock things and unlock things. You do need to deal with the overhead of losing keys and keys getting stolen. And, as mentioned, it's less attractive - I'm not saying that the lock is necessarily ugly, but the mere fact that you can see it's visibly locked is a visual detraction. (And it's worse if you try to pick it up and can't.)

      Apple computers are supposedly about freedom. They've spent a lot of money on this image. What does it say if you walk into an Apple store and have to call over a tech to unlock the computer so you can see how heavy it is?

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  66. Windows FAIL by lindseyp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well it was catastrophic Windows FAIL that let the crooks into the secure area in the first place!

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    1. Re:Windows FAIL by D+Ninja · · Score: 0, Redundant

      L0L Wow. I wish I had mod points and I could give you multiple +1's for Funny. This made me laugh out loud.

      (You owe me a new keyboard, BTW...)

    2. Re:Windows FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You owe me a new keyboard, BTW...

      Oh, for fuck's sake. When did we start allowing Fark.com users on Slashdot?

    3. Re:Windows FAIL by lindseyp · · Score: 1

      hahah.. clearly you are one or you wouldn't have recognised the meme.

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  67. News?? by invisik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When was a robbery of a retail store news? Maybe because they got footage of the whole thing it became sensational--so naturally to have to air it then.

    Real story should be "Security guard fired when robbers smash large glass door just as he leaves the room." How could the guard not hear that? Sounds like an inside job to me.

    -m

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  68. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me reach down and pick up the WHOOOSH you left on the floor.

  69. Efficient by GF678 · · Score: 1

    Now this is the Apple way of committing a robbery! I bet if Microsoft had tried to rob the place, they would have just smashed a Hummer through the front door, then drive off without taking anything.

  70. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by bendodge · · Score: 1

    I knew a kid who kicked a pebble ~1x3x1cm into a glass school door and shattered the whole thing.

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  71. A direct link to the youtube video on the summary? by Punto · · Score: 1

    I'm outraged! where is the link to the blog post that talks about the news article that has a custom player embedded with the video (which doesn't work on linux)?!?!

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  72. Not my discussion- by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    but here is one citation from 2002

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

    and a second with footnotes
    http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=504

    really wasn't hard to find...

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    1. Re:Not my discussion- by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      Ok, so you've hit on the best evidence out there--left-wing news sites.

      What they're referring to is the 1994 Riegle Report. The text of the report is available online, and reading it one gets a very different image from the interpretive news sources above.

      You may also want to look at documents like Iraq's 98 declaration of weapons programs. Begins to make sense as to who opposed the war?

  73. example usa news report? by hitmark · · Score: 2, Funny

    if thats a prime example of a usa news report, no wonder the nation is "weird"...

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    1. Re:example usa news report? by bloodninja · · Score: 1

      Seriously, the newscaster sounded like he was out of breath. Is that so that regular news sounds as exciting as sports? Every sentence had to have _emphasis_ on *everything*?

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  74. Apple: Big Target by RRcGoose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On a serious note, Apple products do seem to be a big item for theft. Just this week I experienced being part of an Apple targeted crime. On Wednesday, my father went to the local Apple Store and picked up a Macbook Pro for me (Because Apple won't ship to an overseas military address, but that's another story...). He took it back to the car, made sure it was well hidden in the trunk, and proceeded to the gym to work out. As he came out an hour-and-a-half later, security was surrounding the car and what was left of the back passenger window. By the looks of things, the thieves knew exactly where in the car the laptop was hidden and were only interested in it. Best guess is that they saw him coming out of the mall and followed him from there. His own laptop, two cameras, and briefcase were all untouched. The thieves were in and out in less than ten seconds. This is actually the second MacPro that I've bought, and apparently the second to be stolen. The first was sent through the black hole that is USPS and has yet to be seen. I'd bet a paycheck that someone else is enjoying it right now.

    1. Re:Apple: Big Target by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The first was sent through the black hole that is USPS and has yet to be seen.

      They do have an insurance option, but it only covers up to $500. Another carrier may have more.

         

    2. Re:Apple: Big Target by toddestan · · Score: 1

      If you're shipping to an overseas military address, you may only have one choice of carrier.

  75. lesee.. working at 10/hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it would take... 300 hours of work.. or.. 2.5 months.

    then you take out taxes, health insurance, car insurance to get to the job, gasoline to get to the job, car maintenance fees, ....

    they probably already have jobs, are are stealing so they can eat.

  76. Kensington lock? by sam0737 · · Score: 1

    I havn't walked into an Apple store for a while. They didn't use Kensington lock to secure the computers? (Or at least they should do it during off-hour)

    Or did the thieves just pull them out with force and break the chassis? If that's the case, how much can they sell...
    Plus, they are all serial number recorded...I wonder if Apple can activate the iPhone GPS to lock them down too!

  77. We promise, no viruses! by tengeta · · Score: 1

    "But no guarantees that we can stop that dude"

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  78. Is that just any chair behind a desk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a PC running Microsoft Bob?

    What does the Geneva Convention allow in computing environments?

  79. Well, by boxxertrumps · · Score: 1

    while we can all imagine a Beowulf cluster of those, the thieves don't have to.

  80. amatuers... they left the chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're supposed to have a peripheral guy following yeah.

  81. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by pinkushun · · Score: 1

    I know my brain also bled. It's funny how they framed the "exclusive" preview inside an iPhone!

  82. XD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usa!Usa!Usa!
    NESARAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!1111111111

    lol

  83. a few cells short of a brain.... by ushere · · Score: 1

    armed hold up for $46k?

    only a fan boy would take on such a bad deal.....

    better to buy some credit cards over the net then buy them. everyone's so embarrassed they never bring in the police.....

  84. $50k/hr for fencing huh? by Myrcutio · · Score: 2, Funny

    you need to include the time spent planning, fencing, and then looking over your shoulder

    I spent 5 hours last week fencing, and all i have to show for it is a bunch of bruises and a broken sabre. Where's my $250,000?

  85. "perp"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pulled that one out of your ass, hmm?

  86. They robbed the right store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would take you a semi truck to steal $46k worth of PC equipment.

  87. And yet... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...all they got was trash.

    (Apple fanbois: This is the ultimate test of humor vs. fanboiness. Might the better side win! ^^)

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  88. No colorful spinners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No colorful spinners for these guys. nope, that's just for mere users.

  89. its apple making news again by marcuz · · Score: 1

    nice advertisement move you apple fanboy-thieves :)

  90. Sounds like sports commentators - Is this normal? by yesiree · · Score: 1

    I am so intrigued by why news reporters have to sound like a sports commentator when showing burglary clips. Does it really need to get more "exciting"? It feels really wierd to me... Am I the only one?

  91. Just thieves stealing from thieves ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and it happens all day, every day, so what? Some might actually say this is just sweet justice!

  92. Stealing iPhones? Not smart.. by supremebob · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the thieves will be smart enough to turn off all of those iPhones that they just stole... If not, they're basically carrying GPS tracking devices that will lead the police to their stash.

  93. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet it happened so long ago that you actually believe you were present during the "event", but in actuality, you just heard the story so many times, and you WISHED in your head that you were there, that you started to believe it.

    See, when we are young, we are very impressionable, and VERY peer-centric. We just want to be "cool". So your "friend" made up that story to be cool, and you made up the fact that you witnessed it so that YOU could be cool while further telling the story.

  94. No cable lockdown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm kind of surprised they didn't have all the laptops locked down with cables. Even a daytime robbery might be possible if someone grabbed the closest one to the door and they ran off quickly to hop into a waiting car.

  95. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by mqduck · · Score: 1

    Nobody said anything about wearing masks being creative, let alone "criminal mastermind" area. Despite security cameras and otherwise all comprehendability, burglars frequently don't wear masks. The correct term is "savvy".

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  96. iNjection by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Don't most states use the iNeedle these days?

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  97. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    Anytime, HTH. I make a great straight man, even when I'm not trying to be.

  98. Suggested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suggested Retail Value = 30,000+
    Actual Street Value = I will pay you to take this garbage.

  99. AT&T is laughing by minstrelmike · · Score: 0

    If the thieves took 14 iPhones, then that means AT&T will get 14 new accounts.
    AT&T is probably laughing all the way to the bank.
    As usual.

  100. Multi-billion $ companies and insurance by sjbe · · Score: 1

    What makes you think that Apple's stores don't have an insurance policy?

    Probably because many large companies are self insured for issues such as theft. Apple undoubtedly has liability insurance and likely for fire and similar catastrophes. But a few computers lost to theft is a foreseeable cost that a company with billions on the balance sheet can easily absorb. This theft sounds like a lot to you or me but to Apple it's not actually that much money.

    It is typically required to take out a commercial lease. When I opened my gaming store, I was required to have a $1M insurance policy. Standard practice.

    You aren't a multi-billion dollar corporation either. Leases are negotiated and a big company like Apple will get a better deal than you or I ever could hope for. I doubt the leaseholder is worried about Apple's solvency but they probably would be worried about yours. Apple also has flesh eating lawyers to take care of liability and any other legal issues that us small guys could never hope to handle.

  101. Insurance is to spread risk and cost by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Because it's sound business practice to have insurance, and in a country like the US where you can be sued for about anything it is much more advisable

    Don't confuse having insurance with needing insurance for everything. No company has or could afford insurance against every contingency. I assure you that Apple is well covered in this regard.

    The only reason to have insurance is to spread risk and the associated costs of that risk. If it is a small risk you can easily absorb, there is no reason to have insurance for that. Apple has literally billions of dollars in cash on their balance sheet. The cost of this theft isn't even a rounding error on their balance sheet and they probably lose more than this company-wide in a typical week in shrinkage (shoplifting & employee theft). Apple undoubtedly has a liability policy since the potential financial risk is much greater there but I'd be shocked if they had any sort of policy for thefts of this scale. No large retailer I'm aware of does - the benefit doesn't justify the reward. Most retail stores have shrinkage of about 1-2% per year. Money is set aside every year on the books because of this. Apple is no different in this regard.

  102. They'll probably sell them on eBay by sjbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What you're describing is how the really stupid thieves get caught. The ones who have any kind of brains would fence them.

    In all likelihood they'll end up on eBay if the thieves aren't caught soon. The amount of stolen good on eBay is rather astonishing. Sometimes I think eBay should be called eFence.

  103. PR Stunt by revxul · · Score: 1

    New marketing ploy?

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  104. Computers not locked?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny the apple store didn't use the cable lock for the laptops. Find it quite stupid!

    Oh, unless they have a special release for those cables Ã-la magsafe ;)

  105. These thieves made Apple Store more popular on... by Howkent · · Score: 1

    These thieves made Apple Store more popular on Internet. Maybe many people even don't know apple had their shops. So these thieves made Apple Store popular one more time! '4Media iPhone Video Converter for Mac' http://www.111download.com/product/4media-iphone-video-converter-for-mac.html

  106. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Check out the devices sold for breaking car windows "in case your car falls into the water".

    In the same way that you can stab someone to death with something sold "in case you want to cut up some chicken in your kitchen" you mean?

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  107. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    Well, knives are used all the time for cutting up things other than live people. What's the distribution of smashed windows for burglary vs escaping a sinking car?

  108. Stupid crime by gig · · Score: 1

    This is a really stupid crime. The take is way too low to get yourself on video for it. Even $46,000 is not very much to end up on video, but they are only going to get 10 cents on the dollar for display models with extremely well-known serial numbers. And it wouldn't be surprising at all if Apple could track some or all of the devices that were stolen.

    It would be smarter to hijack a truck that is headed for the Apple Store and then you would at least get new-in-box product. And you wouldn't be on video like a schmuck.

  109. Re:The newscaster's commentary made my brain bleed by bendodge · · Score: 1

    He was one of my father's students. Weirdo.

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  110. "Look up in dictionary" omittedâ¦weaknes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anybody else noticed that snow leopard omitted the "look up in Dictionary" function. In the previous version of mac osx - I think it started with tiger - you could highlight and word in any application, and the CONTROL + Click on it and a menu of options would appear, "look up in Dictionary" being one of the options. It seems that now in snow leopard you are only given the ability to "Copy", "Select All", "Search Google for", and "View Selection Source". Look up in Dictionary appears to be yet another small feature that has vanished with snow leopard; unless I have made a mistake and the feature can still somehow be turned on. If this can be enabled then I'm really weak, however, if it cannot be enabled (which I suspect it can't) ⦠Then pretty weak Apple!! P r e t t y WEAK!

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