Well, seeings as where the Eee crowd would now have you thinking that any subnotebook is a Eee-wannabe, even tho Compaq, HP, Sony, Apple and Toshiba (and I think that both IBM and Sharp also had offerings too) beat them to the punch as much as a decade earlier, you're going to have a lot of flamebait of this nature.
While the Eee-PC finally makes sense, with wifi being so widely available and the technology being so dirt cheap, they are far from original. But you're going to have a hard time convincing users around here of that. It's like the iPhone... We've had touchscreen smart phones for a while now but anyone who produces them now is somehow an iPhone rip-off.
Isn't seeing how much longer it will live and the problems it will have just as much science as anything it's doing related to Mars?
Consider that the powers that be decided that the price tag associated with these two gizmos was worth it for the three months worth of science they were going to get out of them. Now that they've lasted roughly 20 times as long that means something went really right, the return on investment is definitely there. But it's just as important to know what they could do better. What are the weaknesses of the system? What systems upheld the best? These systems aren't mass produced like your auto, knowing what is effective and what isn't is just as much science as their original mission. And with the data that we're collecting we're going to make better probes in the future. That's worth the money too.
And yes, I'm sure that they're still doing science based on their original mission too. They have an ability to see things from a point of view we may not see for many more years to come. May as well get what we can while we can.
The key to Access is keeping what it is in perspective. Too many dopes out there are trying to turn Access into a catch-all solution and it wasn't developed that way. While it is crawling in that direction it's going to be a number of years before it ever bears any real fruit as something more than a low-end fast and dirty database appliance.
There's a reason that it's only part of the MS Office suite and not the MS Office suite in and of itself.
Well, with the Microsoft issue I would say that there is a reason (but limited) amount of expected support if you stay within their suite of solutions. I wouldn't expect MS to support a foul up if it were related to a change by, let's say, Adobe but if Windows 7 breaks some function of MS Office 2007 than there is a reasonable expectation on MS's part to fix it. I don't see the same being true in the OSS world at all aside from a paid service contract with the vendor.
There are a dozen different reasons for opening your source, and three quarters of those reasons don't require any sort of support.
Yeah, I may have been cloudy on this but I'm speaking as an end user as opposed to a developer. I'm saying that if I or my organization goes with an open source solution isn't it reasonable that we would be responsible for the future support of it if it ends up being dropped by the original developer. Otherwise why did we choose open source in the first place?
In other words, if you're going to take on an open source solution why are you asking for the community to support it after the initial developers have dropped the project? That seems to defeat the reasoning of taking on an open source solution at all.
Sorry, I may have confused you on this. I'm asking this question more as an end user than a developer. Basically, I'm saying that as an end user if I'm choosing an open source project because it's open source I should be able to support it. Otherwise there is no real point in being exclusively open source.
Physics is quite objective and amoral; but the application of physics to the real-world (e.g. mechanical engineering to build a bridge) will of course include some moral component (e.g. in terms of deciding whether money or safety is more important).
Really? I've always seen it as physics just tells the engineers what will or will not happen and that it's for the engineers to decide what is moral in that case. I think that crossing that line is a step toward villifying the science instead of it's application. Not that I think that it was your intention but to keep the science pure we need to recognize that scientific fact, in itself, is neither moral nor immoral.
I was always taught that sane and insane is a legal definition, not one of psychology.
I think we all have a bit of tolerance for delusions to some point but the question is when does the delusions become dangerous to either the delusional or those around him?
For example, if you really want to believe that your favorite sports team wins or loses depending on if you're watching the game or wearing a certain jersey it's not going to really hurt anyone. But if you start believing the guy in the power company truck is bugging your house while he's working on the phone pole outside your home and you decide to take the matter into your own hands... well, we have a sticky situation on our hands, don't we?
We have a local in my town his is highly delusional. So far he hasn't attacked anyone or run out into traffic to chase any cars down. He normally yells at passers by or drums on an empty plastic bucket and sings. People are fairly tolerant of him but some do keep their distance. While he appears harmless and seems to have been for a couple decades it's probably not going to take much to put him in an institution of some sort. I'm sure his diagnosis is probably the same today as it was 15-20 years ago. It's just a question of how he acts them out.
Don't be jealous just yet. Most administrations start out as a bunch of lip service and gt progressively worse. It won't take too many missteps by the new administration to turn bad into worse... You may be happy in a year or so and see us as a test case instead of your own government.
Yes folks, things can get much worse... and it's looking like there's a good chance they will regardless of who promises what. We are nowhere close to the worst economic situation the nation has seen in the last century but we may be there in a couple years.
They just want MS to undo the thing that made them magically slower compared to an identical machine running XP.
But that's the thing here... I don't see benchmarks run versus XP for the same hardware and the same third party apps. Infact, I don't see any benchmark data at all. That in itself reeks of FUD.
So if they could produce the number and show us that XP did thing in 50% of the time I would agree but it doesn't seem to be the case. Again, there doesn't seem to be a case here at all due to lack of benchmark data.
When I go off to one of the better tech sites (Tom's Hardware comes to mind) I normally start my reading of the article by looking over the benchmark data first. I find it laughable that this article even had the tag of "benchmarks" on it.
and finally, the second amendment referred to posses in the countryside against native americans and british and french colonial forces. its completely taken out of historical context in reference to modern gun ownership needs, really folks. i don't know why the second amendment is so depended upon as a some sort of supporter of your right to have guns. are you the minutemen? the second amendment does not support the concept you think it does
It's not taken out of context at all. The second amendment is about fighting the government in a time of tyranny. Why must we go over this point time and time again? We are the minutemen. Yes.
"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason
But we can already see the more liberal Slashdotters are already siding with the bans. They may as well make it part of the PATRIOT act and see who wails on then. Oh, sorry, do you mean the rights you chose are somehow more valuable than mine?
If you're seriously that interested maybe you should take an active role in the party instead of them expecting you to be a mind reader. Do you honestly think they would have rejected Ron Paul if they could have got him? That would have been huge for the party.
On multiple occasions? Come on now, you're quoting the same thing I'm talking about. Can't you reach back and find this honesty elsewhere? What he talked about last night wasn't the same banter he ran for office on, it was the rosy side of what the future holds. What he spoke of last night is a best case scenario. This is the same speech he should have been giving all along but it didn't come about until he already had clinched the office.
If anything you're only confirming what I've already said but you're trying to make it seem like he's been this honest with us all along and he simply wasn't.
You've missed the point, the jobs with the health care are there. Nearly anybody can fill these positions. If people are really wanting health care and a fair shake we're offering it. People are not taking it. That means that people don't want to work to get what they supposedly want. It's going to sicken me to see that I'm paying for deadbeats to have health care when I know they could be having a perfectly acceptable job.
But don't you worry, Obama is magically going to fix everything for everyone.
Why is he an old guy instead of an experienced guy? Why did Biden get such a fine adjective by McCain was slagged? Let's face it, your bias is as clear as day. It's this bias that keeps America chasing it's own tale.
And if you would vote for Ron Paul why not vote for Bob Barr? Granted, the man didn't have a chance to win but it would be nice to see a third party finally get some of the federal funding instead of the same old game next election.
if that was used to pay for proper healthcare for people doing the less honorable and underpayed jobs around me, like the janitor and the parking attendants...
I work in a company that employs a few hundred high school graduate level people, works every one of them full time and offers health care benefits. The work is by no means hard, the majority of them sit at a computer all day in a clean healthy environment. We also offer tuition reimbursement and flexible scheduling. You know what? It's a fucking revolving door.
I'm sick of hearing that there isn't opportunities of this nature when I'm neck deep in one and I see people treating their opportunity with all the seriousness of a teenager with his first burger flipping job. My company is bleeding opportunity and it's being wasted. Don't tell me that there are people on the street who *can't* do for themselves. If this was true there would be an ass in every seat at my place of employment. Instead we have to hold job fairs, advertise endlessly and offer up incentive plans to get people through the doors.
I simply can not buy into the bullshit that people don't have the opportunities. They simply don't care to do what is needed to be done to keep them. It's a workplace people, not a school playground.
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Well, seeings as where the Eee crowd would now have you thinking that any subnotebook is a Eee-wannabe, even tho Compaq, HP, Sony, Apple and Toshiba (and I think that both IBM and Sharp also had offerings too) beat them to the punch as much as a decade earlier, you're going to have a lot of flamebait of this nature.
While the Eee-PC finally makes sense, with wifi being so widely available and the technology being so dirt cheap, they are far from original. But you're going to have a hard time convincing users around here of that. It's like the iPhone... We've had touchscreen smart phones for a while now but anyone who produces them now is somehow an iPhone rip-off.
C'est la vie
Isn't seeing how much longer it will live and the problems it will have just as much science as anything it's doing related to Mars?
Consider that the powers that be decided that the price tag associated with these two gizmos was worth it for the three months worth of science they were going to get out of them. Now that they've lasted roughly 20 times as long that means something went really right, the return on investment is definitely there. But it's just as important to know what they could do better. What are the weaknesses of the system? What systems upheld the best? These systems aren't mass produced like your auto, knowing what is effective and what isn't is just as much science as their original mission. And with the data that we're collecting we're going to make better probes in the future. That's worth the money too.
And yes, I'm sure that they're still doing science based on their original mission too. They have an ability to see things from a point of view we may not see for many more years to come. May as well get what we can while we can.
The key to Access is keeping what it is in perspective. Too many dopes out there are trying to turn Access into a catch-all solution and it wasn't developed that way. While it is crawling in that direction it's going to be a number of years before it ever bears any real fruit as something more than a low-end fast and dirty database appliance.
There's a reason that it's only part of the MS Office suite and not the MS Office suite in and of itself.
Well, with the Microsoft issue I would say that there is a reason (but limited) amount of expected support if you stay within their suite of solutions. I wouldn't expect MS to support a foul up if it were related to a change by, let's say, Adobe but if Windows 7 breaks some function of MS Office 2007 than there is a reasonable expectation on MS's part to fix it. I don't see the same being true in the OSS world at all aside from a paid service contract with the vendor.
There are a dozen different reasons for opening your source, and three quarters of those reasons don't require any sort of support.
Yeah, I may have been cloudy on this but I'm speaking as an end user as opposed to a developer. I'm saying that if I or my organization goes with an open source solution isn't it reasonable that we would be responsible for the future support of it if it ends up being dropped by the original developer. Otherwise why did we choose open source in the first place?
In other words, if you're going to take on an open source solution why are you asking for the community to support it after the initial developers have dropped the project? That seems to defeat the reasoning of taking on an open source solution at all.
Sorry, I may have confused you on this. I'm asking this question more as an end user than a developer. Basically, I'm saying that as an end user if I'm choosing an open source project because it's open source I should be able to support it. Otherwise there is no real point in being exclusively open source.
If Firefox fails to support their needs and IE does support their needs, why not?
Physics is quite objective and amoral; but the application of physics to the real-world (e.g. mechanical engineering to build a bridge) will of course include some moral component (e.g. in terms of deciding whether money or safety is more important).
Really? I've always seen it as physics just tells the engineers what will or will not happen and that it's for the engineers to decide what is moral in that case. I think that crossing that line is a step toward villifying the science instead of it's application. Not that I think that it was your intention but to keep the science pure we need to recognize that scientific fact, in itself, is neither moral nor immoral.
They is no real definition of sane or insane.
I was always taught that sane and insane is a legal definition, not one of psychology.
I think we all have a bit of tolerance for delusions to some point but the question is when does the delusions become dangerous to either the delusional or those around him?
For example, if you really want to believe that your favorite sports team wins or loses depending on if you're watching the game or wearing a certain jersey it's not going to really hurt anyone. But if you start believing the guy in the power company truck is bugging your house while he's working on the phone pole outside your home and you decide to take the matter into your own hands... well, we have a sticky situation on our hands, don't we?
We have a local in my town his is highly delusional. So far he hasn't attacked anyone or run out into traffic to chase any cars down. He normally yells at passers by or drums on an empty plastic bucket and sings. People are fairly tolerant of him but some do keep their distance. While he appears harmless and seems to have been for a couple decades it's probably not going to take much to put him in an institution of some sort. I'm sure his diagnosis is probably the same today as it was 15-20 years ago. It's just a question of how he acts them out.
If you're not willing to support it yourself why chose open source? It's a legitimate question and you haven't answered it.
It's a serious question for you to consider... If you're not willing to support it yourself why go open source?
I think it's pretty apparent that this is one of the villages that got assimilated into your own civ.
They taught you ceremonial burial.
You mean the Mad Max series wasn't a documentary of life in Australia? Damn. I guess it's time to cancel that trip.
If you had one you could be browsing Monster or Dice for a new job right now!
That's the catch-22 of OLPC.
I really think that these probes have made great strides forward. Hopefully there is only better things to come. It's simply awe inspiring.
Woosh!
I hear that open course ware thing is pretty nifty for the price.
As for a degree? You got a printer, a scanner and a copy of Gimp? Good boy.
Don't be jealous just yet. Most administrations start out as a bunch of lip service and gt progressively worse. It won't take too many missteps by the new administration to turn bad into worse... You may be happy in a year or so and see us as a test case instead of your own government.
Yes folks, things can get much worse... and it's looking like there's a good chance they will regardless of who promises what. We are nowhere close to the worst economic situation the nation has seen in the last century but we may be there in a couple years.
They just want MS to undo the thing that made them magically slower compared to an identical machine running XP.
But that's the thing here... I don't see benchmarks run versus XP for the same hardware and the same third party apps. Infact, I don't see any benchmark data at all. That in itself reeks of FUD.
So if they could produce the number and show us that XP did thing in 50% of the time I would agree but it doesn't seem to be the case. Again, there doesn't seem to be a case here at all due to lack of benchmark data.
When I go off to one of the better tech sites (Tom's Hardware comes to mind) I normally start my reading of the article by looking over the benchmark data first. I find it laughable that this article even had the tag of "benchmarks" on it.
and finally, the second amendment referred to posses in the countryside against native americans and british and french colonial forces. its completely taken out of historical context in reference to modern gun ownership needs, really folks. i don't know why the second amendment is so depended upon as a some sort of supporter of your right to have guns. are you the minutemen? the second amendment does not support the concept you think it does
It's not taken out of context at all. The second amendment is about fighting the government in a time of tyranny. Why must we go over this point time and time again? We are the minutemen. Yes.
"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason
But we can already see the more liberal Slashdotters are already siding with the bans. They may as well make it part of the PATRIOT act and see who wails on then. Oh, sorry, do you mean the rights you chose are somehow more valuable than mine?
If you're seriously that interested maybe you should take an active role in the party instead of them expecting you to be a mind reader. Do you honestly think they would have rejected Ron Paul if they could have got him? That would have been huge for the party.
On multiple occasions? Come on now, you're quoting the same thing I'm talking about. Can't you reach back and find this honesty elsewhere? What he talked about last night wasn't the same banter he ran for office on, it was the rosy side of what the future holds. What he spoke of last night is a best case scenario. This is the same speech he should have been giving all along but it didn't come about until he already had clinched the office.
If anything you're only confirming what I've already said but you're trying to make it seem like he's been this honest with us all along and he simply wasn't.
You've missed the point, the jobs with the health care are there. Nearly anybody can fill these positions. If people are really wanting health care and a fair shake we're offering it. People are not taking it. That means that people don't want to work to get what they supposedly want. It's going to sicken me to see that I'm paying for deadbeats to have health care when I know they could be having a perfectly acceptable job.
But don't you worry, Obama is magically going to fix everything for everyone.
Why is he an old guy instead of an experienced guy? Why did Biden get such a fine adjective by McCain was slagged? Let's face it, your bias is as clear as day. It's this bias that keeps America chasing it's own tale.
And if you would vote for Ron Paul why not vote for Bob Barr? Granted, the man didn't have a chance to win but it would be nice to see a third party finally get some of the federal funding instead of the same old game next election.
if that was used to pay for proper healthcare for people doing the less honorable and underpayed jobs around me, like the janitor and the parking attendants...
I work in a company that employs a few hundred high school graduate level people, works every one of them full time and offers health care benefits. The work is by no means hard, the majority of them sit at a computer all day in a clean healthy environment. We also offer tuition reimbursement and flexible scheduling. You know what? It's a fucking revolving door.
I'm sick of hearing that there isn't opportunities of this nature when I'm neck deep in one and I see people treating their opportunity with all the seriousness of a teenager with his first burger flipping job. My company is bleeding opportunity and it's being wasted. Don't tell me that there are people on the street who *can't* do for themselves. If this was true there would be an ass in every seat at my place of employment. Instead we have to hold job fairs, advertise endlessly and offer up incentive plans to get people through the doors.
I simply can not buy into the bullshit that people don't have the opportunities. They simply don't care to do what is needed to be done to keep them. It's a workplace people, not a school playground.