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Phoenix Mars Lander Declared Dead

SpuriousLogic sends in a sad note from the BBC: "NASA says its Phoenix lander on the surface of Mars has gone silent and is almost certainly dead. Engineers have not heard from the craft since Sunday 2 November when it made a brief communication with Earth. Phoenix, which landed on the planet's northern plains in May, had been struggling in the increasing cold and dark of an advancing winter. The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact the craft but does not expect to hear from it."

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  1. It's not dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It will soon spring forth from the fiery planet to destroy us all! RISE PHOENIX!!! RISE!

    1. Re:It's not dead... by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 4, Informative

      On a more serious note - there is a small chance it could survive the freeze and restart once enough sun returns to fill its batteries.

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    2. Re:It's not dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is true. Zero is small.

    3. Re:It's not dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero is not small. It seems you don't understand the concept of zero at all.

    4. Re:It's not dead... by masshuu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Zero != Cake Cake = Lie Lie = Nothing Nothing = Small Zero != Small

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    5. Re:It's not dead... by confused+one · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's extremely unlikely as the batteries themselves will freeze, with the temperatures dropping below -150. The damage done by the freeze will most likely destroy them.

    6. Re:It's not dead... by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only that but if the batteries did somehow survive, the solar panels might be covered in too much dust to receive sufficient light to recharge the batteries.

    7. Re:It's not dead... by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      They probably will be with all this damn nay saying. What ever happened to thinking positive?

    8. Re:It's not dead... by masshuu · · Score: 0

      its like wiskey the glass is always half empty, even when its full

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    9. Re:It's not dead... by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      Actually, it has aleph-zero chance of rising!

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    10. Re:It's not dead... by confused+one · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to thinking positive?

      I am absolutely positive that it's dead and will stay that way.

      Physics trumps hope every day

    11. Re:It's not dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The news of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

      The Phoenix Lander

    12. Re:It's not dead... by ahow628 · · Score: 1

      Bring out yer dead!

    13. Re:It's not dead... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      They could not have gone to canadian tire for their batteries????
      Sheesh....35 million down the drain!

    14. Re:It's not dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of batts does it have?

    15. Re:It's not dead... by Malevolyn · · Score: 1

      about:mozilla

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    16. Re:It's not dead... by Yeff · · Score: 1

      ...it's just sleeping. Or pining for the fjords, I can never keep those two straight.

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  2. RIP by negRo_slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The mission was scheduled to last just three months on the surface, but continued to work for more than five months.

    I'll drink to that!

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    1. Re:RIP by Kamokazi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Opportunity: You hear about that new guy, Phoenix?

      Spirit: Yeah, water ice...wonder what he'll find next.

      Op: The dude's dead, yo!

      Sp: What? He's only been here 5 months!

      Op: I know. Lightweight. Gave some whiney excuse about 'only 3 months'.

      Sp: What a wuss. I've been running on half power and 5 wheels most of this damn mission! I guess they don't make 'em like they used to.

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    2. Re:RIP by relikx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tried to pour some carbon dioxide on the curb for all my dead homies...didn't really work out.

    3. Re:RIP by seanadams.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's only a flesh wound.

    4. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you think makes the foam in beer?

    5. Re:RIP by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      Beagle 2: Wazzup!

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    6. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colt 45 is MALT LICKHER! mofo! what the hell's this beer shit?

    7. Re:RIP by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not Phoenix's fault damnit. They gave him a red shirt at the start of the episode and we all know what that means!

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    8. Re:RIP by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oohh... this reminds me of Wall-E... :(
      So sad...

      Waaaall....Eeeeeeee... :'(

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    9. Re:RIP by sjs132 · · Score: 1

      Shhh.... Next thing you know, someone will want to ban Pop & Beer to limit the CO2...

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    10. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dearest geeks,
      what negRo_slim meant when he said he will "drink to that" was that he was only using the success of unexpected extended operating period as an excuse to drink more. This behavior of using various situations as an excuse to drink is not uncommon within the range of college-aged demography.

      Therefore, modding the post as insightful not only show that you are not from the laid, drinking crowd, but also shows your failure to comprehend the implicit joke of the post.

      God have mercy on your faps.

    11. Re:RIP by poolmeister · · Score: 1

      Huygens: Oveerr Heerre... HEY HEEEEYYYY!

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    12. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      could someone explain me the use of the verb "laid"

    13. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nasa's estimates are always extremely conservative in case they would rather aim too low than high.

    14. Re:RIP by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Viking: Get off my la[buffer overflow error]

    15. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know the intellectual prowess of this site has really gone down hill when you see this rated as 5/funny.

      Next, quotes from Cinderella..

    16. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he used it as an adjective...

    17. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Viking 1: Get off my lawn.

    18. Re:RIP by theaveng · · Score: 3, Funny

      Voyager: It's dark out here... so very very dark. Hum-mmmmmmmmmmm.

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    19. Re:RIP by theaveng · · Score: 1

      Wall-E's girlfriend was a babe.

      "Eva"

      Now that she's famous, I hear she'll be posing for Playbot sometime next year.

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    20. Re:RIP by ShannaraFan · · Score: 1

      Deep Thought: The answer is 42, so you can all just stop looking now.

    21. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there's neither a "+1, Sad" nor a "-1, Sad", so what to take to mod it up?

    22. Re:RIP by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Nooo... She was called Eve.

      Eeeeevvveeeeee... :P

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    23. Re:RIP by theaveng · · Score: 1

      Yes but what is the Question?

      Trivia:

      Voyagers 1 and 2 are still alive and in daily communication with NASA: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/profiles_dsn.html

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    24. Re:RIP by ikeman32 · · Score: 1

      I've giv'en it all she's got captain. If'n I push her any arder she gonna blow!

  3. Last Transmission? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two," slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power? Because that would have been awesome.

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    1. Re:Last Transmission? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine if someone had sneaked that code into it to do just that? OMG. :)

      I'm waiting for someone to shoot something at the moon that colors it with some product or countries colors.

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    2. Re:Last Transmission? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      A bit of googling and nosing through NASA's and UofA's sites revealed the final logs:

      This was a triumph.
      I'm making a note here:
      HUGE SUCCESS.

      before communications went unexpectedly silent.

    3. Re:Last Transmission? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I still find that scene creepy and unnerving. It's even more unnerving than the book's description (or at least how I recall it -- it's been a few years since I read it), where the modules were completely removed and floated around the room. Bowman did what he had to do, but watching the lobotomization of another thinking being is still uncomfortable.

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    4. Re:Last Transmission? by KORfan · · Score: 1

      Didn't DD Harriman sell the rights to not do that?

    5. Re:Last Transmission? by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I've seen the film may times and adore it, but Kubrick didn't come close to touching the moment the book captured. Here was a being, made for a thing, doing everything he could for that thing, and yet, the best thing was for it to cease being, knowing, as you slowly killed it's mind (think coma patients, the doors kept working after the mind died) that it's perception of the best way forward was flawed and that the only chance of success was death. I think that in the story Hal knew he was the obstacle, but couldn't understand the way beyond himself.

      If only we all could see this.

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    6. Re:Last Transmission? by niktemadur · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two", slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power?

      I thought the tune's name was either "Daisy Daisy" or "Daisy Bell". In any case, it was used in 2001 because it was actually the first tune ever sung by a computer (the IBM 7094), in 1961. Here's an mp3 file link of that historic recording: http://audio.textfiles.com/sounds/daisy.mp3

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    7. Re:Last Transmission? by hughk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not dead, just sleeping. Remember that HAL was woken up in 2010.

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    8. Re:Last Transmission? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The story is full of these kinds of references, another famous one is to move the letters H.A.L up one in the alphabet and you get I.B.M (although Clarke claims it was a coincidence). I as in high school when the movie came out, it was required reading and we went to the theater to watch it (Kubrick hadn't done "Clockwork Orange" so nobody was freaked out by his name). Most of the philosophical stuff went straight over our heads but the special effects left an impression. Fourty years later and I get the philosophical stuff but the special effects would seem to indicate Kubrick was on acid.

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    9. Re:Last Transmission? by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      Nice portal reference.

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    10. Re:Last Transmission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fourty years later and I get the philosophical stuff but the special effects would seem to indicate Kubrick was on acid.

      Ummm at that point in time, everybody was on acid. Just look at the clothes & hair, it's pretty obvious.
      In a similar vein, if you look at clothes, hair, and movie effects in the late 70's and 80's you can easily tell everyone was coked out of their minds.

    11. Re:Last Transmission? by niktemadur · · Score: 1

      Fourty years later and I get the philosophical stuff but the special effects would seem to indicate Kubrick was on acid.

      If Kubrick ever dropped acid, which for some reason I doubt, I could only picture him doing it way before the hippie boom and with Sandoz Labs material.

      Actually, a fair amount of the trippy sequence was done in New York City, before Space Odyssey was in full-fledged production. Fascinated for a time with the behavior of "exotic" liquids when they came into contact with each other, Kubrick set up a special rig to film single droplets of various substances of different colors, densities and viscosities interacting with some medium on a petri dish.

      Mind you, not all were substances you could find at your local chemist or lava lamp dealer, the whole thing was a painstaking process, which is why I attribute it more to sheer intellectual curiosity than to what Captain Kirk referred to as LDS, I guess nobody gets high in the Federation, except with Romulan ale, but I digress.

      Mind-numbingly methodical as dear old Stanley was, he supposedly filmed hundreds of these things and chose a few for the Stargate sequence. The scenes speak for themselves, I can see why Kubrick was fascinated with the utterly alien aesthetic qualities of his experiments, and am still impressed at how these tiny events can be blown up to fill a gigantic film screen.

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    12. Re:Last Transmission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I try not to remember 2010.

    13. Re:Last Transmission? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I was joking, personally I think he's a genius (with or without acid). Seriously though now you mention it I saw a doco quite a while ago that showed Kubric experimenting with the liquids. IIRC there were very few bloopers in the special-effects (the liquid travelling down the straw is the only one I know of). I think the way I see the phycadelics then as opposed to now is that the first time was at a theater (TV was B&W only) and the effects were modern, nowaday's it looks as outdated as my mum's kitchen.

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    14. Re:Last Transmission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep - which is why we should all drink Moke.

    15. Re:Last Transmission? by nozzo · · Score: 1

      holy cow! you had me laughing to the point of tears with that one buddy :-)

  4. Wait untill summer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the Phoenix will rise from the ashes and be reborn!

  5. to the current pheonix, and to to future missions. by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1
  6. IBM's Power Architecture used in Lander by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  7. The poor by eille-la · · Score: 3, Funny

    It didnt even knew who won the elections

    1. Re:The poor by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      Sure it does. It's the first victim of Obama's NASA budget cuts!

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    2. Re:The poor by gregbot9000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope it's the second. Apparently the first cut was the oxygen to your brain.

    3. Re:The poor by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      I was mostly joking. But if you think I'm mistaken (other than the fact that he obviously can't impose budget cuts until he gets into office), you might want to try googling "obama nasa budget". Just leave the 'cuts' part out, to get "unbaised" results.

      The moral of the story is, most political candidates are going to have at least a few policies/positions you don't agree with.

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  8. No problem... by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...you know what a Phoenix does when it dies, right?

    rj

    1. Re:No problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you know what a Phoenix does when it dies, right?

      rj

      Kick the grad student in the balls with all its might?!? Right?! Please?!?

    2. Re:No problem... by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      This may be more of a River Phoenix event.

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    3. Re:No problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, we may see an ever increasing profoundness to come from this machine.

      I am going to come back to this tonight at midnight and print to PDF. When the longer days of the Martian summer return, I want to compare the comments.

      Ray Bradbury's vision is our reality. Stross' cloud computing comprises entire asteroid belts and planets.
      Soon, tomorrow soon.

    4. Re:No problem... by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

      Especially if you give it a Viking funeral!

    5. Re:No problem... by Tehrasha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Difficult to catch fire while surrounded by ice and a CO2 atmosphere.

    6. Re:No problem... by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      ...you know what a Phoenix does when it dies, right?

      rj

      Now that you mention it, maybe it's no coincidence that Martian soil looks like cinnamon.

    7. Re:No problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, so long as the batteries are made by Sony...

    8. Re:No problem... by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, I wonder if these things aren't planned out as some sort of giant government conspiracy, from the MInistry of All Seriousness.

    9. Re:No problem... by dissy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Difficult to catch fire while surrounded by ice and a CO2 atmosphere.

      You just aren't trying hard enough ;P

    10. Re:No problem... by v1 · · Score: 1

      heros and hero props on the other hand are often known for spontaneous combustion used to melt large amount of ice and produce steam, countering ice and CO2 instead of being suppressed by it.

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    11. Re:No problem... by jbridge21 · · Score: 1

      Not if you're made of powdered magnesium! That stuff will burn in O2, N2, H2O, CO2...

  9. Still a great achievement by east+coast · · Score: 1

    I really think that these probes have made great strides forward. Hopefully there is only better things to come. It's simply awe inspiring.

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    1. Re:Still a great achievement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there were some design flaws that prevented it from doing a lot of science. It made a handful of important discoveries, but nothing spectacular. It gets a B- grade. The scientists were also way too cautious in the beginning, wasting weeks of precious time trying to get basic science done; and when they finally got their act together the situation became desperate. Peter Smith was also too busy trying to vindicate Viking (which he worked on) and essentially duplicated a lot of that science.

  10. Original story and pictures by sighted · · Score: 4, Informative
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  11. Obligatory by Overkill+Nbuta · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's dead, Jim.

    1. Re:Obligatory by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But... does Netcraft confirm it?

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    2. Re:Obligatory by phagstrom · · Score: 1

      I say nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

    3. Re:Obligatory by n3tcat · · Score: 1

      But... does Netcraft confirm it?

      Obligatory XKCD

  12. RIP Phoenix Mars Lander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phoenix Mars Lander
    Aug 2007 - Nov 2008
    We will miss you.
    Enjoy the cake, it is not a lie anymore.

    1. Re:RIP Phoenix Mars Lander by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know it's sad and all, but aren't Mars rover years like 45 human years? That guy was freakin' old when he kicked, and he went down with a fight! Martian storms really REALLY suck. Forget Kansas Toto, Mars is not for girly rovers!

      What a rockin' piece of robot! Salute!

    2. Re:RIP Phoenix Mars Lander by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      I know it's sad and all, but aren't Mars rover years like 45 human years? That guy was freakin' old when he kicked, and he went down with a fight! Martian storms really REALLY suck. Forget Kansas Toto, Mars is not for girly rovers!

      What a rockin' piece of robot! Salute!

      I'll assume you mean 1 human year is 45 mars-rover years. Well if that is so, then we have two rovers that are rapidly approaching the ripe old age of 405 years old! (Jan 5 2009 one will be 9 human years old (if you count 1st day on Mars as the "day of birth") and the other will be 9 human years old on Jan 25).

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    3. Re:RIP Phoenix Mars Lander by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Err.. They are rappidly approaching 225 years! The 405 was a calculation error.

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  13. Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by zazenation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the planet Earth is batting only .385 on Mars missions, the extra 2 months of data makes up for it to some extent.

    Since Mars does have a thin atmosphere, a probe is likely to be under far greater danger of being hit by random flying debris than on some airless hunk of rock like the Moon where only micrometeorites pose that kind of hazard.

    Bye Phoenix, you gutted it out well!

    1. Re:Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since Mars does have a thin atmosphere, a probe is likely to be under far greater danger of being hit by random flying debris than on some airless hunk of rock like the Moon where only micrometeorites pose that kind of hazard.

      Huh? I think you have that backwards. Mars has a thin atmosphere, which means that micrometeoriods would likely be burned up before hitting the surface. On the whole a probe would have a far greater chance of being hit by random flying debris on some airless rock than on Mars.

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    2. Re:Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by zazenation · · Score: 1

      I see how what I said can be mis-interpreted.

      I mean that since mars has an atmosphere, random debris, e.g. ice particles, small stones, etc being blown about by the wind has a far greater chance of doing damage to a spacecraft than where these conditions don't exist (the Moon). On the Moon, the ONLY (impact type) danger is from micrometeorites (which would burn up in the Martian atmosphere).

    3. Re:Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thinner the atmosphere, the less likely that "stuff" debris, detritus, whatever will be getting "blown about". Not going to be a lot of wind if there isn't much pressure. Even with large heat differences, you won't build much force with wind. I think that is why they have only a few pictures of things like dust devils.

    4. Re:Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that the death of phoenix has nothing to do with impacts. It was the oncoming winter at the martian north pole that froze it to death, as expected.

  14. RTFA: Lander is not dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phoenix is just pining for the fjords.

  15. Well maybe... by actionbastard · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact..."

    They should get John Edward to help out.

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  16. Dead... by SteveHencye · · Score: 1

    I give a moment of silence....

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  17. Just wait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thing will be reborn, like a Phoenix rising from Arizona!

  18. Foresight? by blue+l0g1c · · Score: 1

    So, it eventually wound down because the change in Martian seasons prevented the solar panels from collecting enough sunlight to keep it going. I wonder if once the planet swings back around into plentiful sunlight it will spring back to life, living up to its namesake.

    1. Re:Foresight? by sweetooth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It was named Phoenix as the mission was originally scrapped after the polar lander crash. When they revived the project they renamed it Phoenix. It's also unlikely that it will be revived in the next martian summer. The reason being that where the rover is, it will be cold enough for the solar cells and other components to be destroyed.

    2. Re:Foresight? by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IIRC they expect carbon dioxide to freeze onto the solar panels and break them off.

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    3. Re:Foresight? by blue+l0g1c · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ah, not as fanciful as I had hoped, but very interesting. Mod parent up, please!

    4. Re:Foresight? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      it will be cold enough for the solar cells and other components to be destroyed.

      Just out of curiosity, I wonder how much it would add to cost to design it to survive a polar winter (without relying on radiation). Or if it's even possible?
               

    5. Re:Foresight? by sweetooth · · Score: 1

      Not sure, the article that I read said the temperatures would be around -128C. At that temperature and in that location it would be encased in a tomb of carbon dioxide ice, and the cold would be enough to crack the solar arrays and break the circuit boards. So you'd have to either be able to move enough to get out of the danger area, or perhaps generate enough heat to not be frozen solid. I'm guessing neither would be very easy to combat due to payload weight issues (getting off earth) and the energy needed to offse those extreme conditions.

    6. Re:Foresight? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Probably your best bet would be to stick a RTG in it to keep it warm, combined with the ability to retract into a cocoon of sorts to protect and keep warm things like the solar cells (if you still needed them), robotic arms, and other instruments. Assuming you can keep it warm enough to keep the CO2 off of it, I think it would probably do just fine as you wouldn't have to really worry about liquids getting in and fouling things up.

    7. Re:Foresight? by CrashandDie · · Score: 0

      So you'd have to either be able to move enough to get out of the danger area, or perhaps generate enough heat to not be frozen solid.

      Just give it an AMD CPU.

      Mars Explorer with central heating? Done.

  19. next spring? by Silm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm just wondering - what is gonna happen next summer? is there a chance that some stuff still works, after the CO2 ice thaws in the "spring"? or would the damage from the freezing be irriversible? what conditions are we talking about midwinter - about a meter of CO2 ice? what damage would that do?

    1. Re:next spring? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering - what is gonna happen next summer? is there a chance that some stuff still works, after the CO2 ice thaws in the "spring"? or would the damage from the freezing be irriversible? what conditions are we talking about midwinter - about a meter of CO2 ice? what damage would that do?

      Probably more like a metre of CO2 snow. I give Phoenix a 10% chance of waking up in 18 months time.

    2. Re:next spring? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, the damage done by freezing is irreversible. There is a very, very, slender and against all odds hope however that the damage will be insufficient to actually completely kill the lander.

    3. Re:next spring? by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you a rocket scientist? Because I'll give your opinion more than 10% validity if you are ;)

  20. Late-Breaking News from the Council: VICTORY! by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two," slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power? Because that would have been awesome.

    VICTORY!

    The most Illustrious Council of Elders has declared tomorrow a planetary day of celebration. K'breel, Speaker for the Council, spake thus:

    "Triumphant Citizens, today all our gelsacs are engorged with delight! After a 160-day campaign in the arctic wastelands of our world, our day of victory has come. For the past thirty days, this latest terror from the blue world has been able to do nothing more but wave its pendulous plumb bob at us.

    Its relentless chanting of the Day-Z War Song - which our linguists have assured us is about a war machine driven so half-mad with emotion that it would enslave two of its creators for use as propulsion mechanisms - has finally ended. The Day-Z War Song is sung no more.

    Rejoice, podmates, for victory is ours! We answer in the affirmative, for we are able!"

    (A small group of dissidents in the Press Corps reminded the Speaker that the Invader on the Plains had begun to stir, and that The Twin at the Crater was rapidly advancing to the southeast after having made an obscene gesture. They were about to inquire as to what progress had been made over the past two and a half years against these threats, but K'Breel had already torn the antenna shaft from the Arctic Invader's lifeless hulk and made a shishkebab of their gelsacs before their question could be been fully heard.)

  21. Awesome by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

    This is going to sound really dorky, but I really enjoy hearing about the Mars landers. I get a kick out of getting a camera in the next room to send images to my laptop over the radio. When I was a kid, I built a WeFAX interface to my 8-bit Atari to pull weather satellite images down (I didn't have a HAM radio so couldn't actually do it, but it was cool to play around with the hardware).

    Images from Mars. How frickin' cool is that? A quarter century later it still gives me this "anything is possible" feeling..

  22. Transformers by openldev · · Score: 0

    Apparently it ran into Megatron ...

    1. Re:Transformers by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Megatron, he (it) was already frozen underneath the Hoover Dam. It was Starscream on Mars.

  23. Actually it did sing by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

    It was the first rickroll from another planet!

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  24. I'm not dead yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    >The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact the craft but does not expect to hear from it."

    Beep! Wait! I'm not dead yet! 010100101010010101001010010100101110....

    1. Re:I'm not dead yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      00110001 00110011 00110011 00110111 00100000 01101011 01100101 01111001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110000 01101100 01110101 01100111 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 01100001 01101011 01100101 00100000 01110000 01101111 01110011 01110100 01110011 00100000 01100110 01110101 01101110 01101110 01101001 01100101 01110010

    2. Re:I'm not dead yet! by v1 · · Score: 1

      r=0;echo > temp3;echo "00110001 00110011 00110011 00110111 00100000 01101011 01100101 01111001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110000 01101100 01110101 01100111 01101001 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01101101 01100001 01101011 01100101 00100000 01110000 01101111 01110011 01110100 01110011 00100000 01100110 01110101 01101110 01101110 01101001 01100101 01110010" | tr ' ' '\n' | while read x ; do if [ $(($r/16*16)) == $r ] ; then echo >> temp3;echo -n "$(echo "obase=16;$(($r/16))" | bc): " >> temp3;fi;r=$((r+1));t=$(echo "ibase=2;$x" | bc);b=$(echo "obase=16;$t" | bc);echo -n "$b " >> temp3;done;cat temp3 | xxd -r;rm temp3;echo

      and bash is a plugin to make funny posts more interesting

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  25. Consider the possibilities by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    maybe Martians do exist and they want their privacy and switched off the Phoenix probe so we can't spy on them.

    Either that or John Byrne is taking over the Phoenix series and had Mastermind brainwash her for the Hellfire Club and she will rise as "Dark Phoenix".

    Maybe there will be a Battle of the Planets and five orphan kids will join to combine their ships with the Phoenix probe into the Firery Phoenix? Ask Seven Zark Seven for more details.

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  26. possible failure modes by unix_geek_512 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is possible the lander is receiving insufficient solar radiation to keep its batteries charged in the middle of winter.

    Another possibility is that key components may have failed due to the extreme weather conditions at the landing site, which is further North than any other landing location to date.

    There is still a glimmer of hope that the lander might come back to life in 6-8 months as the weather improves, if it has not suffered a catastrophic failure.

    1. Re:possible failure modes by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      Well if the problem is the batteries are low, just turn it off, let it sit a while, then shake them. Should get a few more minutes of use out of the dang thing.

  27. P'NIX by Vandil+X · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the 23rd century, it will be known as an entity named "P'NIX" whose new role is to return to Earth to unite with its Creator.

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    1. Re:P'NIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe that explains all that spam then, the future is trying to send us a message! P'NIXISLARGER! But how can we use Icelandic Lager to destroy a mechanical monster?

    2. Re:P'NIX by guruevi · · Score: 1

      In the 23rd century everyone will have forgotten about it and there will be an amusement park built around it with a catchy jingle:
      We're sailors on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales so tell this tale and sing our whaling tune!

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    3. Re:P'NIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U'NIX ?

    4. Re:P'NIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a disney pixar film.

    5. Re:P'NIX by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:P'NIX by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Won't the P'NIX come and nearly destroy us because the creators won't be able to communicate with it? Damn, I new that *NIX would be the destruction of the world.

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    7. Re:P'NIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice...and Captain Decker will sacrifice his life to unite with it!

  28. More info by iamlucky13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As the NASA article mentions, you can find more info from the Phoenix team's official website: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/

    Also, the Planetary Society has done a great job following the mission, and there's an extremely detailed update one of their members wrote based on a phone interview with the Phoenix project manager shortly after the last contact with Phoenix was made last week.

    Here's a quick summary: Phoenix has been reducing operational tempo for several weeks. In anticipation of having too little power to run the robotic arm and inability to communicate in late November for a few weeks as Mars passes behind the sun, they hurried sample delivery to a few more TEGA ovens for analysis, but they still had one oven-load left to analyze when the dust storm hit that dropped power levels below a sustainable point. However, despite that, they had already met all of their operational objectives. The extra data would have been a bonus.

    When they saw the dust storm coming, they tried to power down almost all non-essential systems, but weren't quite in time. As a result, the batteries drained completely and it "browned out." The next day, the batteries charged enough to wake up in what they call "Lazarus mode" and try communicating, but it likely missed the relay window with the orbiters. Over a couple days, they got some intermittent communications, and were hoping to be able to send instructions to properly time the wake-up for best chance at communications and best utilization of what little solar power its getting each day, but apparently that hasn't yet succeeded. They were hoping to get temperature and soil conductivity measurements periodically, and maybe even a few pictures of CO2 ice starting to cake up in the area.

    It may still be in Lazarus mode, or something may have failed due to the thermal contraction of the electronics (ex: solder and circuit board material expand at different rates...too extreme of a temperature shift and things start popping apart) ending it for good. There is still some hope that Phoenix will survive the frigid temperatures and even the weight of a meter-thick layer of CO2 ice to awaken in the spring. That's what Lazarus mode was created for, but the hope of that has always been very small.

    There's a really interesting tidbit about a microphone that's part of the descent camera. On a whim they tried to use it a couple weeks ago to record wind sounds, but it didn't start up. Then one of the team members had a conversation with blind man who pointed out that he'll never see a picture of Mars, so he had really been hoping the microphone would work so he could experience it through sound. That really motivated the team to try the microphone again, but unfortunately, it sounds like they didn't have a chance with that either.

    I've been following this mission on a nearly daily basis since landing. It's been neat to see Phoenix in action, and no doubt a busy few months for the team. I'm sure they'll feel somewhat relieved to return to living by a 24 hour clock and have the leisure to analyze all the data and the 25,000+ pictures it returned. I'll never forget the shot Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter got of it drifting down to the surface with Heimdall Crater in the background. In my opinion, it's one of the top 10 space images ever. The MRO team even claims that if you look really close at the full size version, you can see a black-spec a few hundred pixels beneath the lander that is the just-released heat shield falling away.

    Well done Phoenix.

    1. Re:More info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well done Phoenix.

      Sure...but also mad props to Peter Smith, Bill Boynton, and Mike Hecht, as well as Kevin Burke, Lori Shiraishi, Heather Enos, and all the others soon to be known only as "et al".

    2. Re:More info by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      I emailed them a couple of times about the microphone thing. Wish they'd've tried it sooner, darn it. No Mars Polar Lander microphone. No Phoenix microphone. We're 0 for 2 people!

      -l

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    3. Re:More info by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      It may still be in Lazarus mode, or something may have failed due to the thermal contraction of the electronics (ex: solder and circuit board material expand at different rates...too extreme of a temperature shift and things start popping apart) ending it for good. There is still some hope that Phoenix will survive the frigid temperatures and even the weight of a meter-thick layer of CO2 ice to awaken in the spring. That's what Lazarus mode was created for, but the hope of that has always been very small.

      What you wrote was very informative, but when I hear the term "lazarus mode" I can't help but think of anime.

      Pheonix: I'm at my limit... Power failing...
      Phoenix Team: Activate, LAZARUS MODE!!
      -cue rock music and transform sequence-

  29. Has Netcraft Confirmed This by SirModem · · Score: 1

    It's not true until the status is reflected on Netcraft.

  30. Aww come on! by stonedcat · · Score: 0

    They gave Steve Fossett like a year...

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  31. No problem by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have one of the rovers pass by and give it a good whack. Works with most of the junk around my house.

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    1. Re:No problem by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Have one of the rovers pass by and give it a good whack. Works with most of the junk around my house.

      But extrapolating that technique to your (ex)girlfriend was a misguided decision.
           

  32. Another one bites the dust... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Bites the Martian dust, that is. But, i hope that when the seasonal sunlight increases, it phones home, and says, "You humans are DOOMED".... BUT, HOPEFULLY it will be a prank easter egg inrerted by a rogue NASA engineer.

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    1. Re:Another one bites the dust... by mikesd81 · · Score: 1

      Some Martian will get the Engergizer bunny to jump start it and reprogram it to warn us of out impending doom and then all the computers on Earth will start a countdown.... Maybe I've watched to many B-rated scifi movies?

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  33. Way to ruin the video! by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

    What's with BBC covering almost 25% of the video with a banner and BBC branding? FFS, fade it out or make it smaller man.

  34. One has to wonder by mikesd81 · · Score: 1

    if some Martian someday is going to stumble across this machine and be "Damn Earthlings and their litter" and then destroy us.

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  35. Not all dead... by Shivinski · · Score: 1

    "The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one ... but still, they come." Sorry, couldn't resist

  36. Do not lost hope, people... by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    ... after all, is a Phoenix! :)

    Maybe on next martian summer a nasa technician will receive a signal "I'm still alive!"

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  37. Here's betting by Goffee71 · · Score: 1

    The next sci-fi movie set on Mars sees a frozen Phoenix, covered in silvery ice and caked in dust around the landing legs being patted by a gloved hand (or an alien claw)

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  38. Classic reporting from the BBC by WindSword · · Score: 1

    I saw this before leaving for work this morning. BBC spin: lander dead, implied failure of mission.
    Don't let the fact that it outlived its life by two months cloud a good story.

  39. Designs for future missions by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if we would be better off putting up solar array around mars, and then beams power down. These landers and rovers could then have super capacitors for storage.This approach would allow us to re-use a major subsystem across multiple systems. The nice advantage is that it would allow future explorers to have power all over the planet.

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  40. Congrats to the Phoenix Team! by default+luser · · Score: 1

    I love all these naysayers parroting about on the subject, when the fact is the lander survived to-design spec, and met mission goals. What, you people need every Nasa project to last as long as the rovers, or it's somehow not a success?

    Phoenix was destined to die, regardless of the dust on solar panels problem. It's located in a much colder area of Mars than the rovers, and doesn't have radioisotope heaters (the rovers do). It outlasted the design goal of 90 days operation, so I'm quite happy for them.

    What's wrong with being designed for a short life?

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  41. thank you, Luddites! by Iowan41 · · Score: 1

    If it weren't for the superstitious anti-fissile hysterics, Phoenix would have RTGs and plutonium pellets to keep it operational and warm. It could even have spotlights to take images throughout the Martian winter, showing us just how deep the snow and CO2 ice get. 700 billion bail-out for banks and nothing for space exploration. What we could have done with just 1% of that!

    1. Re:thank you, Luddites! by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      I Agree. Just imagine a lander with a one-year power source (very very pessimistic scenario, as example voyager spacecraft is STILL operational using RTGs after 20 years), he can explore mars on many conditions

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  42. Objection! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe he's just waiting for godot...

  43. /me waits for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sentry Mode Activated"

  44. KatieH48 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bittersweet..goodbye Phoenix, you served us well...

    Katie
    Phoenix