Maybe you are doing it wrong.. i run a domain with around 40.000 accounts and i can't even remember the last time i logged in on an active directory controller..
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler
they shouldn't make it open source.. they should send the sourcecode with a rocket to the moon and then wipe out all evidence of existence here on earth...
Err.. i think you need to read up.. that is not important ( and in this case, it was actually an artist who did not reside under a big record company but did it himself).. SO.. with that extra information.. how can it be "OK" for a rights organisation, with whom HE is a customer, sues him over using his own music...
I got a friend who was a "marine" in the Belgian Army and since they often had to keep moving in "hot zones", Sleeping was not really possible.
To Counter that, they learned to take minute naps anywhere, anytime, any position.. afterwards, it gave us a bunch of cool pictures at parties;-)
I actually work in the media area and have negotiated contracts with these guys..
A couple of nice examples:
They actually sued an artist over using his OWN song on his OWN website, cause the artist had a contract with them, so sabam should do all his copyright related stuff and he never asked them for permission to put his own intellectual property on his own website...
Their contracts still speak of "Phonograph" (yes.. like Thomas Edison did) when they mean "songs" or "tracks"..
And they think they can tell isp's how to do their stuff ? Damn.. they still prefer a fax over an e-mail..
And if they really want to screw them over, they block back seats or open all windows automatically if the inside humitity of the car reaches certain percentage;-)
While this is all true, would you mind that YOU tell this to the parents of the 12 teens or just 20'ish kids that die in my country every weekend ?
Besides that, i see kids driving around in their parents X5 3.5 BMW, in daddies Audi A6 2.7, in mom's Mercedes SLK.. racing through the city like it's their last day on earth (for some it is unfortunately) and they got stuff to do... Then, they cut a corner too short without traction control ( cause that's for pussies right ?) and get their first firsthand experience on what rearwheel drive does then (moest driving schools got frontwheel drive)... Couldn't care less about the car.. but looking at the amount of pedestrians killed lately ( and the often following hit-and-run).. i can only applaud this idea.
And yes.. kids needs to learn on their own.. but come on.. if you were 18 and got daddies brand-new whatever powerfull car for the night.. what would you do ? Exactely.. Btw: here we have an insurrance program that gives kids a very low insurrance policy if they allow for a blackbox to be installed. Every three months the insurrance company gets a read out of "driving style" ( speed, acceleration, how strong they took a turn) and if you are within certain limits, you have a low policy.. if you get a "bad" readout twice, you go up cause the risk is going up..
Well, several theories suggest heating of the earth will stop the gulfstream and push earth in a new ice age.. better start downloading some extra porn for those cold long nights...
I read that book too and thought the same a couple of times.. Then i realized the chances are rather slim that Killer Clamps, whales, shrimp and jellyfish are going to take over the world any time soon....
Forward you working address of domain to you google account and if you want, add it to the "send-as" list in gmail..
Presto !
You have IMAPS, POP3S and webmail.. for smtp just use the one from your provider if you need it.
And it's free ( as in beer)
I work for a company that puts computers in the most hostile enviroment in the world: Bars.. we install boxes running the Audio and video software for all types of bars..
Now.. if we are lucky, they get a designated location in an audio rack somewhere along side the amps of the dj which get air cooled. Most of the time however, the get dumped somewhere under the counter, together with the rest of stuff a bar owns.. standing there, humming, sucking in the hot air the cooling of the tap, amplifiers or other electronics throw out, next to an over for heating a pizza etc..
They got all sorts of substances leaking in (water, beer, coke, orange juice and the occasional tomato sauce..). we even have the occasional real bug: fried cockraoch..
But still.. when looking at the figures ( using only a class hardware.. white boxes have a higer failure rate), they actually do well... most boxes have 2 failures every 4 years.. 90% of the time, this is because of heating issues or too much beer (for the computer OR the bartender)...
I've known multiple occassions where computers kept running even though you could not touch them barehanded anymore due to heat...
In the end.. spending millions of dollars on cooling something that CAN handle higer temps and might cause slighty more failure, means the millions you save should easily pay some extra stuff for failover to cath those, slighty higher, failures...
No.. you are right.. they are the SECOND largest pollutor in the world as of July 2007.. and that's because a lot of US factories have moved too.. Can I get a C, H, I, N, A, CHINA !
I'm a Belgian (European) and I think you are an idiot
It's true.. China overtook the us as the largest pollutor last year.. then again.. 75% of stuff you buy has been entirly or partially made in China. So following your philosophy, that's ok..
Oh come on.. decisions at earlier stages then the rest of the world ? What decisions ? To sit on your fat corporate sponsered ass and do nothing about it ? we've known about this pollution thingy since the 80ies and you still are not able to make a decent car which doesn't need 50 gallons to get off your driveway.. I do 37 miles to the gallon with my BMW and a sporty driving style.. I can probably add another 5 to 10 miles if i drove less moderate or inner city... " yes.. our children need to inherit the earth, But to do so.. we must drive them to school in our 5200 cc cars". What examples can you give of reducing pollution ? what laws have been passed to force this on companies and indivuals ?
The global warming scam ? Right. and you call the other guy the moron ? It's not because the world didn't turn in to a microwave overnight, that globaly warming is a scam.. Don't worry.. we will get their soon enough... Btw: There is other stuff then "global warming".. where do you think all these cancers come from ? We are eating, drinking and breathing the crap we have put on this planet for the last 180 years or so on a daily bases..
In concern to Bush, the corporate puppet.. Honestly.. 'let the markets do it?'.. these guys are in it for the profit.. the fire thousands of people just to keep their profits on the usual level.. you think, all of a sudden, they are going to drop a couple of million $, because it is the right thing to do for the enviroment ? Having some solar power and wind power farms and a couple of celebrities with a prius (which is more pulluting than a regular car due to the production process btw) doesn't make you a cutting edge country my friend...
So to recap.. China produces a lot more these days.. so they are ok.. Luckely, they have a dictatorship which apparently can fix the problem in peking in the mather of a couple of years for the olympics.. so there is a chance that when they notice the rest of the country, they will actually take meassures instead of japping about it.. In concern to the Kyoto story.. It might not be as effective as it was intended, but at least they are working on it.. Saying that the EU countries just shipped everything off to india is ignorant.. sure, we moved some production fascilities to India and China (just like you guys) but next to that, A LOT of laws have been passed which companies had to adapt to in a certain amount of time.. some of them choose to bail to other countries, some took it upon theirself to follow this through in ALL their production fascilities around the world.. even before the local country asked them to..
So in the end.. it's easy to say us is better, EU is better.. but don't forget that next to countries as a whole, there are indivuals.. china has a lot of them, let's just hope they don't become as ignorant as us ( both us and eu) and all start driving around in cars, using a/c's and stuff.. but now, while they have the chance.. invest in isolation of houses so they don't need so much heating/cooling down.. develop cars running on alternate fuels instead of keeping them in their R&D labs until the fuel prices are hurting their sales,start using alternative materials that are degradable or can be recyled, keep going to markets instead of buying everything in stores with 20 plastic or other wrappings around it...use rainwater for their toilets and gardens instead of the tap water.. they are a new and developing country as opposed to us , who have grown attached to our luxery and only want to do something for the eviroment if it doesn't pulls us out of our comfort zone.. But don't get up there and pose as if the US is the big good guy giving the example for the enviroment, cause you are not...
I guess it's all about trust. I too use Direct Debt (Belgium) for most of my important uttilities (water, electric, phone, gas)... But we have many different options. For example: most uttilitie companies just direct debt a fix amount you have agreeded with them when closing your contract (for example $ 120 a month).. every 6 months they send you an "update" with a calculation of your real usage and give you the money you payed too much back OR send you the bill for the remaining amount (can be direct debt too if you want).. this way, the suprises are kept at an absolute minimum.. For the few errors i have heared about, it always was corrected very soon and honest ( as in: putting your money back on the date they took it off so you don't loose your interests..
For less known companies which you doubt.. you can use electronic billing where you see the bill on your electronic banking, can quickly check the details and pay it with 1 click.. Then again.. i've never hearded horror stories about getting the money from different accounts if you don't have enough money on the original one.. if the funds are insufficient, the direct debt just bounces like a cheque and that's it.
Standing on both sides of the line ( my company also uses direct debt to get our money from the customer).. i can tell you it is a time saver for us AND , more important.. get's us the money in time.. if you want to pay manual, there is an extra fee attached to it simply because 90% of our B2B customers simply pay late.. not enough to ask for interessts but enough to be painfull for a startup.. (taking 35 days instead of 28).. we often really need our cash to pay our own bills.. and it turns into a spiral at the end.. our customers pay late so we have to pay late...
What i wanted to add about The Netherlands ( since we do business there too).. They have an extra motivation to do things right.. I a company bills wrong a couple of times , their right to direct debt can be revoked by the bank until they sort out the problem.. now if you are a company in the Netherlands with a couple of thousand customers and you screw up a couple of times.. you'll be very sorry to notice that all of a sudden, you have to bill all these customers manually and try to get your money from them... believe me that this is a REAL motivator to check your process and your code 20 times before using it in production...
Apparently "Social Security" in the U.S. is only about retirement. Let me tell you a little fantasy story about Belgium.. A country that has Social Security down to an art...
When i get sick, i go to the doctor and just get treated.. (it REALLY does not mather what i have.. from the flue to cancer etc).. my doctors visit costs me about 20 ( that's $30 more or less)... if i have to stay home.. i still get paid.. gradually this lowers to 50% of my wage (over 2 years)
If i get on disabbility.. i still get paid..
If i break an arm, my kid breaks an arm or ANYONE else breaks an arm.. it get's fixed.. not visa, private healthcare blah blah.. you just walk in the E.R., and they fix it.. (had this 2 years ago.. paid a whopping 90 in total for the whole fixing...
Then.. when the time has come to retire.. i get paid 75% of my last paycheck every month.. for the rest of my life..
and ok.. i pay about 45% of my income to taxes (this percentage is relative to your wage).. and chances are, i'm not the only one benefitting from this cause the amount i pay will probably only get back to me when i get really sick (which i don't really plan:p) OR when i would get to go until 130 years old (which is higly unlikely aswell;-) )
The rest of the cash go to the other, less fortunate.. people without jobs who still get paid a "survival" paycheck.. this is called being social.. It's pretty damn stupid to say that you should not help someone else.. cause you know what ? If people get pushed into a position where they cannot get decent healthcare,cannot support their family because a streak of bad luck ( 9/11 made a lot of people lose their jobs over here).. then they probably start finding other ways to get their primary needs satisfied (house, food) etc... which in a lot of cases is the criminal circuit..
do you honestly think this is cheaper on society ? Who pays the extra cops you need ? Who pays healt insurrance and how much ? I preffer to be social to other people in my country ANY given day, knowing for sure that our system will prevent someone from dying, just because they did not have the cash to pay healt inssurance.. or that someone who had a accident and cannot go to work anymore, does not have to be lying somewhere in the gutter but gets supported by the system.. or like the veterans in the US who just get dumped after they "protected the freedom"...and finally.. that when i, or my family get sick.. we get treated and not asked for a visa card first.. (This happened to a collegue of mine who got an allergic reaction to some food while we were in the U.S. he could not breath anymore, we rushed him to the E.R. where they refused treatment until we could come up with a visa card..)
Social security is indeed paying for yourself AND others.. but i bet you will look at it differently when you or your family suddenly needs a 300k treatment and can't come up with thecash...
Err ?!?
Spanish is spoken in:
Spain, Equatorial Guinea, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominic Replublic, El Savador, Guatemala, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Puerto Rico, Mexico.. etc.. etc..
And having lived in spain for 3 years, I can certainly tell you this is no where near a Second World Country..(Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia and Granada have some of the finest universities)
an 'American Ice Cream Shop'.. started by polish immigrants using ingredients from all over the world...
Besides.. when in rome , act like the romans... and at least try to speak to them in the local language..
"Finally, the virus would shut down the servers."
Jeeez.. even virusses go green these days..
Maybe you are doing it wrong.. i run a domain with around 40.000 accounts and i can't even remember the last time i logged in on an active directory controller..
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler they shouldn't make it open source.. they should send the sourcecode with a rocket to the moon and then wipe out all evidence of existence here on earth...
Would make Ultimate fighting a lot cooler !
Err.. i think you need to read up.. that is not important ( and in this case, it was actually an artist who did not reside under a big record company but did it himself).. SO.. with that extra information.. how can it be "OK" for a rights organisation, with whom HE is a customer, sues him over using his own music...
It's not "windows".. it's the "users".. they obviously didn't hear about the latest in computer technology: Remote Desktop
google.. they'll know what to do !
I got a friend who was a "marine" in the Belgian Army and since they often had to keep moving in "hot zones", Sleeping was not really possible. To Counter that, they learned to take minute naps anywhere, anytime, any position.. afterwards, it gave us a bunch of cool pictures at parties ;-)
I actually work in the media area and have negotiated contracts with these guys.. A couple of nice examples: They actually sued an artist over using his OWN song on his OWN website, cause the artist had a contract with them, so sabam should do all his copyright related stuff and he never asked them for permission to put his own intellectual property on his own website... Their contracts still speak of "Phonograph" (yes.. like Thomas Edison did) when they mean "songs" or "tracks".. And they think they can tell isp's how to do their stuff ? Damn.. they still prefer a fax over an e-mail..
And if they really want to screw them over, they block back seats or open all windows automatically if the inside humitity of the car reaches certain percentage ;-)
While this is all true, would you mind that YOU tell this to the parents of the 12 teens or just 20'ish kids that die in my country every weekend ?
Besides that, i see kids driving around in their parents X5 3.5 BMW, in daddies Audi A6 2.7, in mom's Mercedes SLK .. racing through the city like it's their last day on earth (for some it is unfortunately) and they got stuff to do... Then, they cut a corner too short without traction control ( cause that's for pussies right ?) and get their first firsthand experience on what rearwheel drive does then (moest driving schools got frontwheel drive)... Couldn't care less about the car.. but looking at the amount of pedestrians killed lately ( and the often following hit-and-run).. i can only applaud this idea.
And yes.. kids needs to learn on their own.. but come on.. if you were 18 and got daddies brand-new whatever powerfull car for the night .. what would you do ? Exactely.. Btw: here we have an insurrance program that gives kids a very low insurrance policy if they allow for a blackbox to be installed. Every three months the insurrance company gets a read out of "driving style" ( speed, acceleration, how strong they took a turn) and if you are within certain limits, you have a low policy.. if you get a "bad" readout twice, you go up cause the risk is going up..
Well.. if you look a bit ahead.. you don't HAVE to speed up.. you already got the chance to look at the situation and anticipated...
Well, several theories suggest heating of the earth will stop the gulfstream and push earth in a new ice age.. better start downloading some extra porn for those cold long nights...
I read that book too and thought the same a couple of times.. Then i realized the chances are rather slim that Killer Clamps, whales, shrimp and jellyfish are going to take over the world any time soon....
Forward you working address of domain to you google account and if you want, add it to the "send-as" list in gmail.. Presto ! You have IMAPS, POP3S and webmail.. for smtp just use the one from your provider if you need it. And it's free ( as in beer)
I work for a company that puts computers in the most hostile enviroment in the world: Bars.. we install boxes running the Audio and video software for all types of bars.. Now.. if we are lucky, they get a designated location in an audio rack somewhere along side the amps of the dj which get air cooled. Most of the time however, the get dumped somewhere under the counter, together with the rest of stuff a bar owns.. standing there, humming, sucking in the hot air the cooling of the tap, amplifiers or other electronics throw out, next to an over for heating a pizza etc.. They got all sorts of substances leaking in (water, beer, coke, orange juice and the occasional tomato sauce..). we even have the occasional real bug: fried cockraoch.. But still.. when looking at the figures ( using only a class hardware.. white boxes have a higer failure rate), they actually do well... most boxes have 2 failures every 4 years.. 90% of the time, this is because of heating issues or too much beer (for the computer OR the bartender)... I've known multiple occassions where computers kept running even though you could not touch them barehanded anymore due to heat... In the end.. spending millions of dollars on cooling something that CAN handle higer temps and might cause slighty more failure, means the millions you save should easily pay some extra stuff for failover to cath those, slighty higher, failures...
No.. you are right.. they are the SECOND largest pollutor in the world as of July 2007.. and that's because a lot of US factories have moved too.. Can I get a C, H, I, N, A, CHINA !
I'm a Belgian (European) and I think you are an idiot
It's true.. China overtook the us as the largest pollutor last year.. then again.. 75% of stuff you buy has been entirly or partially made in China. So following your philosophy, that's ok..
Oh come on.. decisions at earlier stages then the rest of the world ? What decisions ? To sit on your fat corporate sponsered ass and do nothing about it ? we've known about this pollution thingy since the 80ies and you still are not able to make a decent car which doesn't need 50 gallons to get off your driveway.. I do 37 miles to the gallon with my BMW and a sporty driving style.. I can probably add another 5 to 10 miles if i drove less moderate or inner city... " yes.. our children need to inherit the earth, But to do so.. we must drive them to school in our 5200 cc cars". What examples can you give of reducing pollution ? what laws have been passed to force this on companies and indivuals ?
The global warming scam ? Right. and you call the other guy the moron ? It's not because the world didn't turn in to a microwave overnight, that globaly warming is a scam.. Don't worry.. we will get their soon enough... Btw: There is other stuff then "global warming".. where do you think all these cancers come from ? We are eating, drinking and breathing the crap we have put on this planet for the last 180 years or so on a daily bases..
In concern to Bush, the corporate puppet.. Honestly.. 'let the markets do it?'.. these guys are in it for the profit.. the fire thousands of people just to keep their profits on the usual level.. you think, all of a sudden, they are going to drop a couple of million $, because it is the right thing to do for the enviroment ? Having some solar power and wind power farms and a couple of celebrities with a prius (which is more pulluting than a regular car due to the production process btw) doesn't make you a cutting edge country my friend...
So to recap.. China produces a lot more these days.. so they are ok.. Luckely, they have a dictatorship which apparently can fix the problem in peking in the mather of a couple of years for the olympics.. so there is a chance that when they notice the rest of the country, they will actually take meassures instead of japping about it.. In concern to the Kyoto story.. It might not be as effective as it was intended, but at least they are working on it.. Saying that the EU countries just shipped everything off to india is ignorant.. sure, we moved some production fascilities to India and China (just like you guys) but next to that, A LOT of laws have been passed which companies had to adapt to in a certain amount of time.. some of them choose to bail to other countries, some took it upon theirself to follow this through in ALL their production fascilities around the world.. even before the local country asked them to..
So in the end.. it's easy to say us is better, EU is better.. but don't forget that next to countries as a whole, there are indivuals.. china has a lot of them, let's just hope they don't become as ignorant as us ( both us and eu) and all start driving around in cars, using a/c's and stuff.. but now, while they have the chance.. invest in isolation of houses so they don't need so much heating/cooling down.. develop cars running on alternate fuels instead of keeping them in their R&D labs until the fuel prices are hurting their sales,start using alternative materials that are degradable or can be recyled, keep going to markets instead of buying everything in stores with 20 plastic or other wrappings around it...use rainwater for their toilets and gardens instead of the tap water.. they are a new and developing country as opposed to us , who have grown attached to our luxery and only want to do something for the eviroment if it doesn't pulls us out of our comfort zone.. But don't get up there and pose as if the US is the big good guy giving the example for the enviroment, cause you are not...
I guess it's all about trust. I too use Direct Debt (Belgium) for most of my important uttilities (water, electric, phone, gas)... But we have many different options. For example: most uttilitie companies just direct debt a fix amount you have agreeded with them when closing your contract (for example $ 120 a month).. every 6 months they send you an "update" with a calculation of your real usage and give you the money you payed too much back OR send you the bill for the remaining amount (can be direct debt too if you want).. this way, the suprises are kept at an absolute minimum.. For the few errors i have heared about, it always was corrected very soon and honest ( as in: putting your money back on the date they took it off so you don't loose your interests..
For less known companies which you doubt.. you can use electronic billing where you see the bill on your electronic banking, can quickly check the details and pay it with 1 click.. Then again.. i've never hearded horror stories about getting the money from different accounts if you don't have enough money on the original one.. if the funds are insufficient, the direct debt just bounces like a cheque and that's it.
Standing on both sides of the line ( my company also uses direct debt to get our money from the customer).. i can tell you it is a time saver for us AND , more important.. get's us the money in time.. if you want to pay manual, there is an extra fee attached to it simply because 90% of our B2B customers simply pay late.. not enough to ask for interessts but enough to be painfull for a startup.. (taking 35 days instead of 28).. we often really need our cash to pay our own bills.. and it turns into a spiral at the end.. our customers pay late so we have to pay late ...
What i wanted to add about The Netherlands ( since we do business there too).. They have an extra motivation to do things right.. I a company bills wrong a couple of times , their right to direct debt can be revoked by the bank until they sort out the problem.. now if you are a company in the Netherlands with a couple of thousand customers and you screw up a couple of times.. you'll be very sorry to notice that all of a sudden, you have to bill all these customers manually and try to get your money from them... believe me that this is a REAL motivator to check your process and your code 20 times before using it in production...
Apparently "Social Security" in the U.S. is only about retirement. Let me tell you a little fantasy story about Belgium.. A country that has Social Security down to an art...
When i get sick, i go to the doctor and just get treated.. (it REALLY does not mather what i have.. from the flue to cancer etc).. my doctors visit costs me about 20 ( that's $30 more or less)... if i have to stay home.. i still get paid.. gradually this lowers to 50% of my wage (over 2 years)
If i get on disabbility.. i still get paid..
If i break an arm, my kid breaks an arm or ANYONE else breaks an arm.. it get's fixed.. not visa, private healthcare blah blah.. you just walk in the E.R., and they fix it.. (had this 2 years ago.. paid a whopping 90 in total for the whole fixing ...
Then.. when the time has come to retire.. i get paid 75% of my last paycheck every month.. for the rest of my life..
and ok.. i pay about 45% of my income to taxes (this percentage is relative to your wage).. and chances are, i'm not the only one benefitting from this cause the amount i pay will probably only get back to me when i get really sick (which i don't really plan :p) OR when i would get to go until 130 years old (which is higly unlikely aswell ;-) )
The rest of the cash go to the other, less fortunate.. people without jobs who still get paid a "survival" paycheck .. this is called being social.. It's pretty damn stupid to say that you should not help someone else.. cause you know what ? If people get pushed into a position where they cannot get decent healthcare,cannot support their family because a streak of bad luck ( 9/11 made a lot of people lose their jobs over here).. then they probably start finding other ways to get their primary needs satisfied (house, food) etc... which in a lot of cases is the criminal circuit..
do you honestly think this is cheaper on society ? Who pays the extra cops you need ? Who pays healt insurrance and how much ? I preffer to be social to other people in my country ANY given day, knowing for sure that our system will prevent someone from dying, just because they did not have the cash to pay healt inssurance.. or that someone who had a accident and cannot go to work anymore, does not have to be lying somewhere in the gutter but gets supported by the system.. or like the veterans in the US who just get dumped after they "protected the freedom"...and finally.. that when i, or my family get sick.. we get treated and not asked for a visa card first.. (This happened to a collegue of mine who got an allergic reaction to some food while we were in the U.S. he could not breath anymore, we rushed him to the E.R. where they refused treatment until we could come up with a visa card..)
Social security is indeed paying for yourself AND others.. but i bet you will look at it differently when you or your family suddenly needs a 300k treatment and can't come up with thecash...
As to where linux would just keep on working ?.. nevermind it kicked the X server.. We can have "typing on the freeway" contests !!!
Err ?!? Spanish is spoken in: Spain, Equatorial Guinea, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominic Replublic, El Savador, Guatemala, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Puerto Rico, Mexico.. etc.. etc.. And having lived in spain for 3 years, I can certainly tell you this is no where near a Second World Country..(Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia and Granada have some of the finest universities)
an 'American Ice Cream Shop'.. started by polish immigrants using ingredients from all over the world... Besides.. when in rome , act like the romans... and at least try to speak to them in the local language..
I don't really agree.. ever been drinking after skiing in swiss ? That's no german , french or italian.. It's gernchalian at best...
So Why use DNS all together if you need to look at the IP anyways ? Oh.. And what the guy above me says ;-)