I'm waiting for the Apache version before I install this.
I don't blame you. Mention that to your MS rep. You will find that they are making all sorts of cute inroads since the whole trial thing. The 2000 Server Utilities CD will install PERL if you want!!
I get the same thing for free with linux by simply configuring a SQUID proxy to heavily cache all http traffic from update.microsoft.com. then have all the W2K boxes automatically run their updates 1 day after the master PC does this. Voila... the squid proxy caches all the updates so every other pc in my WAN get's them from the squid server lightning fast.
That is cool, I will give you that. However, it will not give you the level of automated control that MS SUS does (at least not easily) My clients only get updates that I choose to publish and I can automate selection. I am an open source advocate as well but in this I have to say MS has made a damn fine distribution server.
But you still have to update all those clients from the internal server holding the SIS, right? Doesn't that still bog down your network?
Yes, it will bog down your network. That can be handled by having multiple sus servers, which first update off of your primary server then having groups of client PCs working at different times (and on well designed lans...on different subnets). This is all automated! Good job MS, now if your other 200 products could be designed with end user (admin) needs in mind....
Microsoft has a free product out called SUS (see subject) the SUS works in conjunction with the BSA (no, Baseline Security Analyzer) to determin patch levels of 2000/XP clients and servers it then downloads all neccessary patches in a SIS (single instance storage) at the server. In this way every patch on your network is downloaded only once. If you only have four PCs this cuts update traffic by 75%. This is nearly as effective as ISA server but it is FREE. It is not as effective as coding it write the first time LOL but it is a start.
So let's see, not only do you want to put your cellphone in the trunk (great way to prevent driving-while-yakking, I'll give you that), but you want to charge it using something that converts car-vibration back into electricity, as opposed to just plugging it into the cigarette-lighter?
Thanks for pointing that out, mr elite hacker. I drive in Chicago rush hour traffic, I would Gladly advocate something which involves putting the cell phone in the trunk. I hate people that yak and drive.
Remember conservation of energy and thermodynamics... you're not going to get 'free' energy by strapping this to a buzzing, vibrating machine. You might regain a tiny fraction of the energy which the machine is losing (wasting) through its inefficiency, but in that case, you'd probably be better off replacing or repairing the machine to be more efficient.
Absolutely, I could see perhaps a trunk mounted cell phone charger running off the vibration of the car itself. Though a better application would be small "beacons" on unattended machines. The beacon is powered by the machines vibrations and a central server would monitor for lack of signal to indicate fault. I am sure better uses will be seen soon.
could anyone who knows their stuff about redhat tell me the level of security it's got in relation to other distros and OSes ?
It is more than just a security concern to become a Common Operating Environment. Coding custom applications is always risky business because the OS can be a moving target. Coding custom to Linux can be nightmarish because it is not "a floating target" but rather "multiple boagies". RH Advanced has a feature freeze to the distribution, every RHA Server has the same hooks and APIs as every other that more than anything is what did it for them. RH will not contact you next week and tell you that they changed their mind on the kernel version etc...instead in a year or so you might get RHA 2.0.
Do you think that avoiding critical thoughts goes well with being a good customer or are the informed and demanding customers more welcome?
That question goes very well with yur first statement regarding demographics. We distribute gourmet food. All of our vendors want critical thought from us as we do from our customers. We want customers who plan what they do with our merchandise, who know and understand each part of purchasing. Food is a high margin item and very few customers "cost" money, and distributors rarely (if ever) move into the expense to maintain category (and when they do they are dropped like hot potatoes and frequently just die)
You're telling me, with the volunteer army contract, they cannot conscript you at will after your term of service.
No, I am not quite telling you that. When you enlist for the service you pick an amount of time, say 4 years. You then sign your' contract but your contract is for eight years. During the additional four congress can call you back. Most people who are important enough to need called back after that end up working for some such agency:-) or other. I served my time during the first Bush battle and am a little old for the second bush battle.
Consider this, if no one "risked" their rights would you be able to complain about it? Nope...
That'll pretty well dictate what software you use to view their site.
As the admin for a large distributor, I am often called to the desk of various sales people to install flash. I inform that flash is not supported in our environment. The result, well companies use websites because it costs a LOT less to process web orders than to process called orders (but the cost of order placement is only slightly different). Some of these companies depend on us as their largest customer. I have to date seen three websites rewritten to accomodate that policy. If we all leverage (buzzword;-) ourselves as customers we can defeat the evil monolith. That is my contribution to the internet.
Well lets see. While in the military, you could not publicly make the statement you just did. I would be considered treason against your Commander-In-Chief, and could result in prison. That's called the Freedom of Speech. Then the government can compell you to take life-threatening, potentially tainted vaccine shots, or throw you into prison. Now you don't even have jurisdiction over your own body. Finally, you must know as a serviceman, the gov't can forcibly re-enlist you at any time if they deem it necessary.
Alright, you are correct those rights are suspended whilst serving. That is understood going in, the military can not function like a free society. Taking time to vote and voice opinions on how to react to an airstrike would not be a great thing to do. That is understood by most (not all) going in. Recruiters should make more effort to explain that IMO. My rights were not suspended upon leaving the service.
One slight issue of contection with what you said. The govt can not reenlist anyone forcibly. They can conscript or forcibly extend your service but it is not referred to as reenlistment as reenlistment is a voluntary contract.
Does anyone know by what metric they figured that? Sales volume? Some kind of security/performance metric? Or is it pure marketing speak for "we think we're #1!"?
OK, listen....Solaris, buy it so I can keep my job...
Solaris, the number one Unix platform...
While the first may get a few alternative techie types to buy it, it is probably not "market savvy" I think that is the metric they used:-)
Frankly, I would have thought you would have been more pissed at the USG telling its Gulf War veterans to drop dead rather than to pay their medical bills incurred in that military action.
No as a veteran I am more pissed about subversive govt than I am about finacially irresponsible govt. The DoI means a lot to a lot of people, the people are the govt. if you are unsure how this works, well I too am sorry for your education. Inalienable rights are accepted by the bulk of Americans and I assure you that if this country actually recognizes its democratic principles, its principles will eventually slap Ashcroft in the face (as he well deserves). (side note, oh to see Ken Starr take him down...irony at its finest). I am sorry that I am so bourgeoise. BTW, I did not "risk my rights" to serve in the military.
All people actually "count" that is why the military served in the gulf war with gusto (not for whatever reason the Bush family has)
I was a 15 year old in 1986. I wanted to learn about Unix.
I went to the local University and TOOK CLASSES, you jerk-off.
How does one sentence dictate the time period of the second?
See, there is an implied continuity which you would notice if in addition to "how to hack 101" you also took English 101. I have taken classes in my field, just not as a 15 yr old in the 80s.
....and the little MCSE went waa, waa, waa al the way home
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Thanks for the names. Unfortunately, those two don't count.
As a former paratrooper (3/505th PIR / 82d abn) I would like to remind people of this (carnivore if you read this send it to your big boss)
(possibly paraphrasing) "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and all men have certain inalienable rights"
Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin never once uttered the phrase "All Americans have certain inalienable rights.
Padilla, Hamdi and ALL imorally and unjustly detained foreign nationals have certain inalienable rights and I can only hope that J. Ashcroft and his superiors are held accountable for this gross breech of liberty. I for one favor the idea of impeachment.
I was a 15 year old in 1986. I wanted to learn about Unix.
I went to the local University and TOOK CLASSES, you jerk-off.
And weren't you just the norm? Personally, as a hiring practice I would be suspicious of anyone who claimed that as a 15 yr old in the 80s they took classes at a uni for unix. Not to mention that those who learned the other way probably still get off on hacking you:-)
But you didn't know that. You never saw the TCP/IP stacks that used to be, and you think that Microsoft's is good. I'm not sure how it affects your argument about derivative works, but Microsoft's stack is horrible relative to what used to be.
Microsofts tcp/ip stack, like most others is derived from berkley code. As far as not knowing what it used to be like I started networking with Windows for workgroups. My favorite third party was a product called "wetsock" which handled tcp/ip and kept connected to a weather website to populate a ticker thingy (it also displayed phases of the moon)
Just a quickie, since the Patriot(?) Act (or was it the Homeland Security Act) the CIA now operates in the US.
A matter of perspective actually. The CIA advises domestically, they are still quite limited. Purists would say it is wrong, I would say they are right;-)
A lot of the people here who are complaining about this are probably the same people who defend the guy who took pictures of the Spam King's house. You cannot have it both ways.
The gub'mint (cute) did not take the pictures of the spam kings house. We as Americans have a right not to have the government spy on us (that is why the CIA works outside US only). People can spy on each other and it is a civil matter but the government is NOT to do it.
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Shouldn't we as true Americans be ready to assist in every way we can to prevent future 9/11's? If my providing logs could even prevent one little terrorist attack I would do it in a minute.
Long ago our founding fathers were forced to decide for those they led, which is more important life or freedom? The answer was sewn onto early flags and raised as a battle cry "Give me liberty or give me death" We must remember they were yelling that against a very powerful enemy who could indeed give either of those. However the combined spirit of all early americans (with a lot of unacknowledged help from natives) was able to fight off british rule. So, should I be willing to let the govt. read my logs, tap my phone etc...
Hell, no!
I can crash Linux within seconds of trying to do something simple like transferring a file to a floppy disk.
I imagine you built those linux machines? Wonderful, put that on your resume under "places my skill is lacking" I assure you I do not TRY to crash either, but I test them for complex uses. XP fails rarely, just Linux fails even less. I am sorry that your computers are so poorly configured.
I'd hate to have to buy 5 copies of XP for all the computers in my house that use it. That seems ridiculous since I'm only using one at a time.
Licensing and technical. They try hard to make it so that it will only install once and only once. Five computers require 5 licenses regardless of use, that is a big Linux difference.
you literally can't give Linux away for free to most people.
The difference for users is not just one of cost, it is also one of reliability. New windows software is definitely getting there but still I have crashed XP more since its release then I have crashed Linux EVER. Additionally in terms of paying for Linux, I buy every good stable red hat major ( RH X.2) I buy one copy and put it on all machines, I can do that. I can not with Windows.
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I'm waiting for the Apache version before I install this.
I don't blame you. Mention that to your MS rep. You will find that they are making all sorts of cute inroads since the whole trial thing. The 2000 Server Utilities CD will install PERL if you want!!
I get the same thing for free with linux by simply configuring a SQUID proxy to heavily cache all http traffic from update.microsoft.com. then have all the W2K boxes automatically run their updates 1 day after the master PC does this. Voila... the squid proxy caches all the updates so every other pc in my WAN get's them from the squid server lightning fast.
That is cool, I will give you that. However, it will not give you the level of automated control that MS SUS does (at least not easily) My clients only get updates that I choose to publish and I can automate selection. I am an open source advocate as well but in this I have to say MS has made a damn fine distribution server.
But you still have to update all those clients from the internal server holding the SIS, right? Doesn't that still bog down your network?
Yes, it will bog down your network. That can be handled by having multiple sus servers, which first update off of your primary server then having groups of client PCs working at different times (and on well designed lans...on different subnets). This is all automated! Good job MS, now if your other 200 products could be designed with end user (admin) needs in mind....
Microsoft has a free product out called SUS (see subject) the SUS works in conjunction with the BSA (no, Baseline Security Analyzer) to determin patch levels of 2000/XP clients and servers it then downloads all neccessary patches in a SIS (single instance storage) at the server. In this way every patch on your network is downloaded only once. If you only have four PCs this cuts update traffic by 75%. This is nearly as effective as ISA server but it is FREE. It is not as effective as coding it write the first time LOL but it is a start.
So let's see, not only do you want to put your cellphone in the trunk (great way to prevent driving-while-yakking, I'll give you that), but you want to charge it using something that converts car-vibration back into electricity, as opposed to just plugging it into the cigarette-lighter?
Thanks for pointing that out, mr elite hacker. I drive in Chicago rush hour traffic, I would Gladly advocate something which involves putting the cell phone in the trunk. I hate people that yak and drive.
Remember conservation of energy and thermodynamics... you're not going to get 'free' energy by strapping this to a buzzing, vibrating machine. You might regain a tiny fraction of the energy which the machine is losing (wasting) through its inefficiency, but in that case, you'd probably be better off replacing or repairing the machine to be more efficient.
Absolutely, I could see perhaps a trunk mounted cell phone charger running off the vibration of the car itself. Though a better application would be small "beacons" on unattended machines. The beacon is powered by the machines vibrations and a central server would monitor for lack of signal to indicate fault. I am sure better uses will be seen soon.
could anyone who knows their stuff about redhat tell me the level of security it's got in relation to other distros and OSes ?
It is more than just a security concern to become a Common Operating Environment. Coding custom applications is always risky business because the OS can be a moving target. Coding custom to Linux can be nightmarish because it is not "a floating target" but rather "multiple boagies". RH Advanced has a feature freeze to the distribution, every RHA Server has the same hooks and APIs as every other that more than anything is what did it for them. RH will not contact you next week and tell you that they changed their mind on the kernel version etc...instead in a year or so you might get RHA 2.0.
For development purposes this is good news.
Do you think that avoiding critical thoughts goes well with being a good customer or are the informed and demanding customers more welcome?
That question goes very well with yur first statement regarding demographics. We distribute gourmet food. All of our vendors want critical thought from us as we do from our customers. We want customers who plan what they do with our merchandise, who know and understand each part of purchasing. Food is a high margin item and very few customers "cost" money, and distributors rarely (if ever) move into the expense to maintain category (and when they do they are dropped like hot potatoes and frequently just die)
You're telling me, with the volunteer army contract, they cannot conscript you at will after your term of service.
:-) or other. I served my time during the first Bush battle and am a little old for the second bush battle.
No, I am not quite telling you that. When you enlist for the service you pick an amount of time, say 4 years. You then sign your' contract but your contract is for eight years. During the additional four congress can call you back. Most people who are important enough to need called back after that end up working for some such agency
Consider this, if no one "risked" their rights would you be able to complain about it? Nope...
That'll pretty well dictate what software you use to view their site.
;-) ourselves as customers we can defeat the evil monolith. That is my contribution to the internet.
As the admin for a large distributor, I am often called to the desk of various sales people to install flash. I inform that flash is not supported in our environment. The result, well companies use websites because it costs a LOT less to process web orders than to process called orders (but the cost of order placement is only slightly different). Some of these companies depend on us as their largest customer. I have to date seen three websites rewritten to accomodate that policy. If we all leverage (buzzword
Come on people....-1 and he hacked the Gibson. I say FUNNY
Well lets see. While in the military, you could not publicly make the statement you just did. I would be considered treason against your Commander-In-Chief, and could result in prison. That's called the Freedom of Speech. Then the government can compell you to take life-threatening, potentially tainted vaccine shots, or throw you into prison. Now you don't even have jurisdiction over your own body. Finally, you must know as a serviceman, the gov't can forcibly re-enlist you at any time if they deem it necessary.
Alright, you are correct those rights are suspended whilst serving. That is understood going in, the military can not function like a free society. Taking time to vote and voice opinions on how to react to an airstrike would not be a great thing to do. That is understood by most (not all) going in. Recruiters should make more effort to explain that IMO. My rights were not suspended upon leaving the service.
One slight issue of contection with what you said. The govt can not reenlist anyone forcibly. They can conscript or forcibly extend your service but it is not referred to as reenlistment as reenlistment is a voluntary contract.
Does anyone know by what metric they figured that? Sales volume? Some kind of security/performance metric? Or is it pure marketing speak for "we think we're #1!"?
:-)
OK, listen....Solaris, buy it so I can keep my job...
Solaris, the number one Unix platform...
While the first may get a few alternative techie types to buy it, it is probably not "market savvy" I think that is the metric they used
Frankly, I would have thought you would have been more pissed at the USG telling its Gulf War veterans to drop dead rather than to pay their medical bills incurred in that military action.
No as a veteran I am more pissed about subversive govt than I am about finacially irresponsible govt. The DoI means a lot to a lot of people, the people are the govt. if you are unsure how this works, well I too am sorry for your education. Inalienable rights are accepted by the bulk of Americans and I assure you that if this country actually recognizes its democratic principles, its principles will eventually slap Ashcroft in the face (as he well deserves). (side note, oh to see Ken Starr take him down...irony at its finest). I am sorry that I am so bourgeoise. BTW, I did not "risk my rights" to serve in the military.
All people actually "count" that is why the military served in the gulf war with gusto (not for whatever reason the Bush family has)
I was a 15 year old in 1986. I wanted to learn about Unix.
....and the little MCSE went waa, waa, waa al the way home
I went to the local University and TOOK CLASSES, you jerk-off.
How does one sentence dictate the time period of the second?
See, there is an implied continuity which you would notice if in addition to "how to hack 101" you also took English 101. I have taken classes in my field, just not as a 15 yr old in the 80s.
Thanks for the names. Unfortunately, those two don't count.
As a former paratrooper (3/505th PIR / 82d abn) I would like to remind people of this (carnivore if you read this send it to your big boss)
(possibly paraphrasing) "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and all men have certain inalienable rights"
Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin never once uttered the phrase "All Americans have certain inalienable rights.
Padilla, Hamdi and ALL imorally and unjustly detained foreign nationals have certain inalienable rights and I can only hope that J. Ashcroft and his superiors are held accountable for this gross breech of liberty. I for one favor the idea of impeachment.
I was a 15 year old in 1986. I wanted to learn about Unix.
:-)
I went to the local University and TOOK CLASSES, you jerk-off.
And weren't you just the norm? Personally, as a hiring practice I would be suspicious of anyone who claimed that as a 15 yr old in the 80s they took classes at a uni for unix. Not to mention that those who learned the other way probably still get off on hacking you
But you didn't know that. You never saw the TCP/IP stacks that used to be, and you think that Microsoft's is good. I'm not sure how it affects your argument about derivative works, but Microsoft's stack is horrible relative to what used to be.
Microsofts tcp/ip stack, like most others is derived from berkley code. As far as not knowing what it used to be like I started networking with Windows for workgroups. My favorite third party was a product called "wetsock" which handled tcp/ip and kept connected to a weather website to populate a ticker thingy (it also displayed phases of the moon)
Just a quickie, since the Patriot(?) Act (or was it the Homeland Security Act) the CIA now operates in the US.
;-)
A matter of perspective actually. The CIA advises domestically, they are still quite limited. Purists would say it is wrong, I would say they are right
A lot of the people here who are complaining about this are probably the same people who defend the guy who took pictures of the Spam King's house. You cannot have it both ways.
The gub'mint (cute) did not take the pictures of the spam kings house. We as Americans have a right not to have the government spy on us (that is why the CIA works outside US only). People can spy on each other and it is a civil matter but the government is NOT to do it.
Shouldn't we as true Americans be ready to assist in every way we can to prevent future 9/11's? If my providing logs could even prevent one little terrorist attack I would do it in a minute.
Long ago our founding fathers were forced to decide for those they led, which is more important life or freedom? The answer was sewn onto early flags and raised as a battle cry "Give me liberty or give me death" We must remember they were yelling that against a very powerful enemy who could indeed give either of those. However the combined spirit of all early americans (with a lot of unacknowledged help from natives) was able to fight off british rule. So, should I be willing to let the govt. read my logs, tap my phone etc...
Hell, no!
Seems there are two camps in the world in terms of using open-source libraries, such as GPL licensed libraries, in proprietary software.
As I understand it this is the difference between the BSDish licenses and the GPL. That is why MS has a decent tcp/ip stack
I can crash Linux within seconds of trying to do something simple like transferring a file to a floppy disk.
I imagine you built those linux machines? Wonderful, put that on your resume under "places my skill is lacking" I assure you I do not TRY to crash either, but I test them for complex uses. XP fails rarely, just Linux fails even less. I am sorry that your computers are so poorly configured.
I'd hate to have to buy 5 copies of XP for all the computers in my house that use it. That seems ridiculous since I'm only using one at a time.
Licensing and technical. They try hard to make it so that it will only install once and only once. Five computers require 5 licenses regardless of use, that is a big Linux difference.
you literally can't give Linux away for free to most people.
The difference for users is not just one of cost, it is also one of reliability. New windows software is definitely getting there but still I have crashed XP more since its release then I have crashed Linux EVER. Additionally in terms of paying for Linux, I buy every good stable red hat major ( RH X.2) I buy one copy and put it on all machines, I can do that. I can not with Windows.