And they were seeing up close and personal the real consequences of their actions. You ask anyone who has seen the brutality of war face to face and I think they would get seriously pissed if you started comparing what they experienced with the simulated gore from computer games.
Hey no problem, I leapt to a conclusion based on what you had posted, unfortunately I do not have the ability to read your mind nor do I have the time to track down everybody involved with the process and grill them for hours on end.
I still stand by my original statement, this is something that should have been investigated before development began on the installer. Obviously the author had only intended for his app to be GPLd and act as a wrapper around the app to be installed. After having a look at what the guy says on his page, thats all it is, a wrapper that contains your files plus a couple of scripts to run the install process, nothing more. Unless you are statically linking to the actual objects within the application itself, I do not see the problem.
So let me get this straight. You went ahead and developed an app using a gpl'd component and then asked the author for non-GPL license?
Was this something that should have been tackled before development began or when the original idea of using the gpl'd app was raised?
I don't think the problem lies with the developer on this one. He obviously released it under the GPL for a reason and didn't want the hassle of forking the licensing. So he put his principles first instead of the almighty dollar, the problem with this is what exactly? We see so many examples of people doing the exact opposite that it is refreshing to see someone actually stand up for what they believe in.
I think the sad thing is that you seem to believe that he should have taken the money and run instead of standing up for what he believes in because it caused you problems. Boo Hoo.
I think RedHat's case is not going to be damaged to much by SCO saying they don't plan on suing them.
The whole thrust of RedHats case is that SCO has been fudding Linux to the point where it has the potential to affect sales, especially their claims re User liability. This is why they want to see the code that SCO says is theirs.
No I'n not saying Thor sued everyone, but he might have only shared his idea with his own tribe, while at the same time beating the heads in of anyone else who tried to copy his idea.
My point was not that Patents are good things or bad things, my point was that competition has been the driving force for change, always has been. There have been plenty of instances when a technology has been kept to a select few so that the few would benefit while the many wouldn't be able to compete.
Thor the caveman didn't need the promise of a monopoly to encourage him to invent the wheel.
In a way monopoly was exactly the reason the wheel got invented. All of a sudden Thor has a massive edge over his fellow cave people, leading him to become dominant until someone else copies the idea. When you think about it, the main driving force for technological change is competition, whether its for resources or for more esoteric things such as noteriety or fame.
Luxury!!! /yorkie/ When I was a lad I had to get up mornin, write code out by hand and then read it out loud to family while Da beat me round head with clue stick. And I was happy for it
Yes of course, harness the energy generated by a million AC's all trolling on./ and we could power the world for a thousand years. Just think what we could do with the Usenet posters!
Nope I don't, I think the Americans are at least providing half the funds. I never said I thought the Russian Space programme was well funded. What I said was despite the fact that the average Russian scientist gets maybe a tenth of the Checkout chicks in your local super market, they are still keeping the ISS running. If the Russians didn't have the Soyez and the capability to run cheap (comparitivly speaking) launches the ISS would be in a hell of a lot of trouble right now.
Let's not also forget that Mars has little to no atmosphere and has been continually bombarded by radiation for millions of years. In the event of a melt down I don't think its going to affect the planet that much.
They may be half broke but at the moment they are the only ones keeping the ISS supplied.
No one in the world right now has any plans on how to ship a live human being to Mars (and have him remain live there).
I think you will find that plenty of people have plans about sending a man to mars and staying there. What they don't have is the money or facilities to do it.
Being User Secure and being Architecturely(sp?) secure are two very different things.
The reason why it is so easy to attack MS machines is because they insist on running what really should be considered User space applications as part of the Kernel space, IE is a good example as is Office.
The only reason the DMCA comes into play is because it provides the ISP with a safe harbor if they promply remove the potentially-infringing material. In other words, the DMCA actually helps free speach on the internet
How the hell does it help free speech on the Internet if ISPs are forced to remove material or face penalties. That would be pretty much the opposite of free speech wouldn't it?
I'll second that. When I first started looking at which framework to use for my first C/C++ project I had a look at QT, GTK and wxGTK. The first two required one hell of a steep learning curve for someone who had up until then had been a web guy,(developer, NOT designer).
wxGTK is pretty good for those just starting out in the area of GUI design and development.
Thats right , that's why you spell night "nite" isn't it. Also I seem to recall there was very little kicking of German and Japanese donkeys during the second world war, unless of course you are referring to their arses.
Of course the Rep said he was working with Intelligent clients, do you think he was going to tell you (A client I am assuming) that he thinks clients are fucknuckles:)
Where does he say he was willing to take up arms against the US? He said he was willing to die defending the Taliban, a very different idea altogether.
Well, that was a blindingly generalised statement wasn't it.
I am neither hugely wealthy, nor am I some bored college student. I am work five days a week and have a wife and kids and yet I am developing my own project under the GPL.
The reasons people write Open Source software vary greatly from having an itch to scratch to altruism to sticking it to the man.
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And they were seeing up close and personal the real consequences of their actions. You ask anyone who has seen the brutality of war face to face and I think they would get seriously pissed if you started comparing what they experienced with the simulated gore from computer games.
Blaming access to guns is stupid.
Huh? Let me think, if these kids did not have access to a gun then this incident would not have happened. That is a cold hard reality.
Blame the actual cause stupid humans.
Could these be the same stupid humans who decided that it was quite alright for someone to purchase high powered assault rifles?
Hey no problem, I leapt to a conclusion based on what you had posted, unfortunately I do not have the ability to read your mind nor do I have the time to track down everybody involved with the process and grill them for hours on end.
I still stand by my original statement, this is something that should have been investigated before development began on the installer. Obviously the author had only intended for his app to be GPLd and act as a wrapper around the app to be installed. After having a look at what the guy says on his page, thats all it is, a wrapper that contains your files plus a couple of scripts to run the install process, nothing more. Unless you are statically linking to the actual objects within the application itself, I do not see the problem.
So let me get this straight. You went ahead and developed an app using a gpl'd component and then asked the author for non-GPL license?
Was this something that should have been tackled before development began or when the original idea of using the gpl'd app was raised?
I don't think the problem lies with the developer on this one. He obviously released it under the GPL for a reason and didn't want the hassle of forking the licensing. So he put his principles first instead of the almighty dollar, the problem with this is what exactly? We see so many examples of people doing the exact opposite that it is refreshing to see someone actually stand up for what they believe in.
I think the sad thing is that you seem to believe that he should have taken the money and run instead of standing up for what he believes in because it caused you problems. Boo Hoo.
Funnilly enough I keep expecting annoying references to a couple of Gauls, still resisting the Romans in their little village.
"Oh look its Asterix, Obelix and Aclerix, younger brother of Cacophonix".
I think RedHat's case is not going to be damaged to much by SCO saying they don't plan on suing them.
The whole thrust of RedHats case is that SCO has been fudding Linux to the point where it has the potential to affect sales, especially their claims re User liability. This is why they want to see the code that SCO says is theirs.
No I'n not saying Thor sued everyone, but he might have only shared his idea with his own tribe, while at the same time beating the heads in of anyone else who tried to copy his idea.
My point was not that Patents are good things or bad things, my point was that competition has been the driving force for change, always has been. There have been plenty of instances when a technology has been kept to a select few so that the few would benefit while the many wouldn't be able to compete.
Thor the caveman didn't need the promise of a monopoly to encourage him to invent the wheel.
In a way monopoly was exactly the reason the wheel got invented. All of a sudden Thor has a massive edge over his fellow cave people, leading him to become dominant until someone else copies the idea. When you think about it, the main driving force for technological change is competition, whether its for resources or for more esoteric things such as noteriety or fame.
Luxury!!!
/yorkie/ When I was a lad I had to get up mornin, write code out by hand and then read it out loud to family while Da beat me round head with clue stick. And I was happy for it
Yes of course, harness the energy generated by a million AC's all trolling on ./ and we could power the world for a thousand years. Just think what we could do with the Usenet posters!
Nope I don't, I think the Americans are at least providing half the funds. I never said I thought the Russian Space programme was well funded. What I said was despite the fact that the average Russian scientist gets maybe a tenth of the Checkout chicks in your local super market, they are still keeping the ISS running. If the Russians didn't have the Soyez and the capability to run cheap (comparitivly speaking) launches the ISS would be in a hell of a lot of trouble right now.
Let's not also forget that Mars has little to no atmosphere and has been continually bombarded by radiation for millions of years. In the event of a melt down I don't think its going to affect the planet that much.
They may be half broke but at the moment they are the only ones keeping the ISS supplied.
No one in the world right now has any plans on how to ship a live human being to Mars (and have him remain live there).
I think you will find that plenty of people have plans about sending a man to mars and staying there. What they don't have is the money or facilities to do it.
dollars to dognuts... And what exactly is the current exchange rate for $US to Canine Testicles?
Enquiring minds want to know.
What you mean make them bloated, prone to falling over and generally useless?
If you want a hotmail equivelant for news groups try groups.google.com. Perfect web base interface to the newsgroups.
Being User Secure and being Architecturely(sp?) secure are two very different things.
The reason why it is so easy to attack MS machines is because they insist on running what really should be considered User space applications as part of the Kernel space, IE is a good example as is Office.
The only reason the DMCA comes into play is because it provides the ISP with a safe harbor if they promply remove the potentially-infringing material. In other words, the DMCA actually helps free speach on the internet
How the hell does it help free speech on the Internet if ISPs are forced to remove material or face penalties. That would be pretty much the opposite of free speech wouldn't it?
I'll second that. When I first started looking at which framework to use for my first C/C++ project I had a look at QT, GTK and wxGTK. The first two required one hell of a steep learning curve for someone who had up until then had been a web guy,(developer, NOT designer).
wxGTK is pretty good for those just starting out in the area of GUI design and development.
Doesn't grousing usually involve small fat birds and a shot gun?
Yup we love to live here, its the guys in charge that have us worried though.
Thats right , that's why you spell night "nite" isn't it. Also I seem to recall there was very little kicking of German and Japanese donkeys during the second world war, unless of course you are referring to their arses.
Of course the Rep said he was working with Intelligent clients, do you think he was going to tell you (A client I am assuming) that he thinks clients are fucknuckles :)
Congratulations you've just discovered the secret plan of the Christian Right.
Where does he say he was willing to take up arms against the US? He said he was willing to die defending the Taliban, a very different idea altogether.
Well, that was a blindingly generalised statement wasn't it.
I am neither hugely wealthy, nor am I some bored college student. I am work five days a week and have a wife and kids and yet I am developing my own project under the GPL.
The reasons people write Open Source software vary greatly from having an itch to scratch to altruism to sticking it to the man.