Oh aren't we the ever positive one. Damn those Chinese for not leaping straight into warp travel. How dare they not land a man on mars and immediately start building massive colonies.
Sheesh, every journey begins with a single step, and this is it.
As for the oppression, famine and poverty, the money spent on a space programme is a fraction of that spent on military hardware. If you want to fund good works, sell a couple of b-2s.
Ahh the old, its too hard so lets ignore it and hope it goes away trick.
Lets see they tried that one with North Korea as well and look how well that worked. The Arab-Israeli conflict is not going to be solved by the world turning their backs on it. Instead what we need is actual leadership, both from the parties themselves and the international community. Both Arafat and Sharron need to be replaced by people who are willing to talk about peace instead of the nationalistic chest thumping that passes as negotiations at the moment.
Ok I'll bite, I trust sales guys about as far as I can throw them. They are not in the business for the customers health they are their for their commision. Leaving aside your snide little jibe (Ohh he called us hippies, SUIT). You show an amazing lack of understanding of the OSS movement and the business models that are being built up around it.
I would have thought that you would have realised by now that the vast mojority of people working on OSS projects are not in it for commerical reasons. Instead they are in it for the fun, and to scratch an itch. On the other hand, companies like RedHat, Suse and Mandrake are in it for the money. They bundle OSS products and provide the support and documentation that the developers themselves generally don't have time to provide.
Next time you decide to lambast the OSS developers for being unprofessional do try to remember that not all people are driven by marketing, nor are they interested in having some whiney... ahh fuck it, your obviously a troll and I needed someone to vent against.
Um as a fellow Aussie I have to tell you that you don't even have access to fair usage rights. Sorry, but if you rip the music you can be charged with copyright infringement.
Hell if I could get a newer box for $120.00 I would however I can't so I wont.
As for the kernel parameters, what are they? Everything I have read on Google says the old boxes used a proprietry SMP architecture and weren't compatible with Linux.
Hmm let me think about this one. I run the only Linux desktop in the organisation and I have absolutely no trouble in accessing any of the Windows Network.
Oh and I run the intranet here. My machine has uptimes of weeks on end while the MS machines start to chuck fits after a couple of days.
The only reason we have not been able to switch more people to linux is legacy apps. Not word or excel because we have been rolling out Open Office with great success, but the more esoteric sales applications and ratings apps that management and sales need.
Hate to tell you this but the current government has decided that it likes the American style "aides" and has been using them for the last eight years. Apparantly they provide a great way to invoke plausible deniability as in "my aides never told me and all my information comes from my aides".
I'm sorry when did it become a bad thing for an AUSTRALIAN radio station to be Anti-AMERICAN? I have a great deal of trouble working out why this is a problem. If it was directed solely at the liberal party, and it isn't, then I could see the problem.
What big lie? That humanity is naturally inclined to government? That the libertarian model is doomed to failure? Or maybe that Verisign is a private company and it is the one that is fucking up here precisely because there is not enough government oversight of how it operates?
We have seen in the last couple of years some major incidents involving private organisations running vital infrastructure in to the ground, all in the name of share holders profits. The government has done nothing to stop this happening, instead leaving it to "Free Market" to sort out the problems. This has patently been an abject failure.
This is what I love about the libertarian dream, it makes the assumption that people are not at the very root of their being out for themselves and their immediate family. Its so rose tinted. Face it humanity was, is and always be a tribal beast, and we need governments to make sure that that tribality does drag us back down from the heights we have achieved.
Ahh good to see libertarians keeping up their usual standard of intelligent debate.
I'm sorry but critical infrastructure should not be left in the hands of a free market. It is just oo damn important to leave to the whims of the stock market.
Management of the root servers should be placed into the hands of an international body with an international charter. This body should be a non-profit organisation funded by its member governments with true representation from both its member governments and the Internet community at large. Yes this means a body created under the auspices of the UN.
And if you are thinking of spouting any more libertarian gems just remember this, in a libertarian world, you are valued by how much you have, not by who you are and what you can contribute to society. I thought we got rid of that idea years ago.
Okay how about this then, once you have bought the machine you can do whatever the hell you want with it. It is your property, not MS's not the store you bought it from, not your next door neighbours.
The idea that MS can claim ownership on the machines ONCE THEY ARE SOLD is dangerous in the extreme.
Oh and by the way, any company that tries to install software without asking permission is installing spyware as far as I am concerned, that goes for Gator, MS and any other pos company that tries it.
I don't think anybody has actually said that Linux never gets hacked. In fact Im pretty sure that all through this discussion there would be mention of any number of ways to get into a Linux box, or even instances of hacks being successful.
What most people here object to is the bullshit as the previous poster said. They don't like being treated like mushrooms when they generally know better.
As for how to secure Linux further against hacking, good idea, lets see what we have at the moment, inbuilt firewall, secure shell (any sys-admin still using telnet without it being absolutely necessary should be shot on sight), md5 signatures, complete seperation of system level applications and user level applications (IE anyone?). This is a good foundation. Build on it, come up with your perfectly secure distro, but also make it useable.
Im sorry at what point did I say that Germany would not have finished the bomb if they had had the chance? Of course they bloody would have except for the small problem of the fact that they lost the war.
As for the use of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagisaki(sp?), I think you'll find that the Japanese had actually been trying to surrender for at least six months before the bombs were dropped.
But don't let a little thing like reality get in the way of a good right wing rant.
Brief history lesson, Germans almost develop ABomb, Americans using German know how do finish it. Americans only people to actually use a nuclear device in anger. Soviets steal secrets of ABomb from the Americans.
MAD isn't such a bad idea, unfortunately it relies on the premise that both sides are unwilling to risk it all in a conflict. It also relies on the fact that both sides have the same capabilities. If one side develops a technology that would mean they wont get wiped out in a world war then the balance has been thrown out of whack, and that is where things get dangerous.
Then you get the rogue states like Israel and North Korea, those who possess nuclear weapons yet refuse to sign onto the international treaties that form the basis of the MAD doctirine.
Teller didn't "balance the scales", if you want to get technical, the Soviets balanced the scales by stealing the Abomb.
Yes Dresden was worse in terms of damage and casualties, however I think a lot of the horror of nuclear weapons comes from the fact that attrocities like Dresden required thousands of tons of explosives being dropped by hundreds of bombers, while Hiroshima and Nagisaki(sp?) only took one bomb each.
Umm excuse me what the fuck are you talking about?
Of course the man who goes to a child prostitute is harming her. It doesn't matter whether she had been a prostitute for years or days, she is still a child and as such the man is committing a crime both against the law and nature.
As for your last paragraph, children cannot "choose" to participate in porn and neither should they be allowed to. They do not have the life experience necessary to be able to make the right choice. They are too easily persuaded because they don't know any better.
All in all your post appears to be condoning child sexual abuse, I hope like hell you don't have any kids because I would be seriously worried about them.
Actually from what I remember, most of the non "Apple is my god" posts for that one questioned the validity of the G5 benchmarking, comparing it to MS TCO studies and such and such.
First a question. Did you vote in the last elections? If you did then that was your voice, if you didn't then stop fucking complaining about the government.
Secondly I am not about to fly out to the States just to try and take a gun from a gun nut. I would quite happily engage in a philosophical debate about the issue, or if you insisted on flying over, a knock down drag out fist fight.
Believe it or not, I am not a "gun hater", I believe guns have their uses just as do explosives and other dangerous objects, what I don't believe is the typical libertarian rant about how the government is evil and we must be ready to rise up at any time to overthrow the tyrant. That sort of thinking leads to barbecues like Waco.
Okay funnily enough I don't live in Europe, yes there is more to this planet than the EU and the US (I know shocking isn't it).
I don't hate the states, I hate what they are becoming, the once proud democracy and self proclaimed leader of the free world seems to be spiralling more and more into what some would say is a barely concealed dictatorship. This is a double tragedy when the nation is founded on such high ideals as was the US.
As for the gun issue, no I do not believe that it should be every mans right to bear arms. I believe that this can and has been a recipe for disaster. As can be seen by the fact that the two teenagers in the story managed to get hold of a rifle without their parents knowledge and take pot shots at passing cars. If those kids hadn't had access to the gun in the first place, then the incident would not have happened.
And please don't go throwing the second amendment in my face as justification for the right to bear arms, all the second ammendment does is allow for an organised citizens militia, basically a volunteer army of the citizenry, which suprisingly enough you have with the US Armed forces, which unless conscription has been brought back is a volunteer army of the citizenry.
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Please explain how it is foolish for Israel to "pick a fight with MS"?
Oh aren't we the ever positive one. Damn those Chinese for not leaping straight into warp travel. How dare they not land a man on mars and immediately start building massive colonies.
Sheesh, every journey begins with a single step, and this is it.
As for the oppression, famine and poverty, the money spent on a space programme is a fraction of that spent on military hardware. If you want to fund good works, sell a couple of b-2s.
Ahh the old, its too hard so lets ignore it and hope it goes away trick.
Lets see they tried that one with North Korea as well and look how well that worked. The Arab-Israeli conflict is not going to be solved by the world turning their backs on it. Instead what we need is actual leadership, both from the parties themselves and the international community. Both Arafat and Sharron need to be replaced by people who are willing to talk about peace instead of the nationalistic chest thumping that passes as negotiations at the moment.
Ok I'll bite, I trust sales guys about as far as I can throw them. They are not in the business for the customers health they are their for their commision. Leaving aside your snide little jibe (Ohh he called us hippies, SUIT). You show an amazing lack of understanding of the OSS movement and the business models that are being built up around it.
I would have thought that you would have realised by now that the vast mojority of people working on OSS projects are not in it for commerical reasons. Instead they are in it for the fun, and to scratch an itch. On the other hand, companies like RedHat, Suse and Mandrake are in it for the money. They bundle OSS products and provide the support and documentation that the developers themselves generally don't have time to provide.
Next time you decide to lambast the OSS developers for being unprofessional do try to remember that not all people are driven by marketing, nor are they interested in having some whiney... ahh fuck it, your obviously a troll and I needed someone to vent against.
Um as a fellow Aussie I have to tell you that you don't even have access to fair usage rights. Sorry, but if you rip the music you can be charged with copyright infringement.
Hell if I could get a newer box for $120.00 I would however I can't so I wont.
As for the kernel parameters, what are they? Everything I have read on Google says the old boxes used a proprietry SMP architecture and weren't compatible with Linux.
Seriously does anyone know if this will support SMP in the old old Proliant boxes? Like the 4500s and earlier?.
Hmm let me think about this one. I run the only Linux desktop in the organisation and I have absolutely no trouble in accessing any of the Windows Network.
Oh and I run the intranet here. My machine has uptimes of weeks on end while the MS machines start to chuck fits after a couple of days.
The only reason we have not been able to switch more people to linux is legacy apps. Not word or excel because we have been rolling out Open Office with great success, but the more esoteric sales applications and ratings apps that management and sales need.
Okay now he is really on my hate list, any person who could support Collingwood and Eddie "Mr TV" Maguire has serious issues.
Hate to tell you this but the current government has decided that it likes the American style "aides" and has been using them for the last eight years. Apparantly they provide a great way to invoke plausible deniability as in "my aides never told me and all my information comes from my aides".
I'm sorry when did it become a bad thing for an AUSTRALIAN radio station to be Anti-AMERICAN? I have a great deal of trouble working out why this is a problem. If it was directed solely at the liberal party, and it isn't, then I could see the problem.
What big lie? That humanity is naturally inclined to government? That the libertarian model is doomed to failure? Or maybe that Verisign is a private company and it is the one that is fucking up here precisely because there is not enough government oversight of how it operates?
We have seen in the last couple of years some major incidents involving private organisations running vital infrastructure in to the ground, all in the name of share holders profits. The government has done nothing to stop this happening, instead leaving it to "Free Market" to sort out the problems. This has patently been an abject failure.
This is what I love about the libertarian dream, it makes the assumption that people are not at the very root of their being out for themselves and their immediate family. Its so rose tinted. Face it humanity was, is and always be a tribal beast, and we need governments to make sure that that tribality does drag us back down from the heights we have achieved.
Ahh good to see libertarians keeping up their usual standard of intelligent debate.
I'm sorry but critical infrastructure should not be left in the hands of a free market. It is just oo damn important to leave to the whims of the stock market.
Management of the root servers should be placed into the hands of an international body with an international charter. This body should be a non-profit organisation funded by its member governments with true representation from both its member governments and the Internet community at large. Yes this means a body created under the auspices of the UN.
And if you are thinking of spouting any more libertarian gems just remember this, in a libertarian world, you are valued by how much you have, not by who you are and what you can contribute to society. I thought we got rid of that idea years ago.
Okay how about this then, once you have bought the machine you can do whatever the hell you want with it. It is your property, not MS's not the store you bought it from, not your next door neighbours.
The idea that MS can claim ownership on the machines ONCE THEY ARE SOLD is dangerous in the extreme.
Oh and by the way, any company that tries to install software without asking permission is installing spyware as far as I am concerned, that goes for Gator, MS and any other pos company that tries it.
And "http://" is at the point where it's now implied.
Oh I wish it was I really do, then I wouldn't have to keep supporting people who type in htpp:\\ and expect it to work.
Or even worse, those people who can't grasp the concept that not every site starts with a www.
They signed that stupid contract in the first place, they will have to live with the consequences.
It is pretty simple really, do NOT hand some one a loaded gun and then say "Fuck you arsehole".
I don't think anybody has actually said that Linux never gets hacked. In fact Im pretty sure that all through this discussion there would be mention of any number of ways to get into a Linux box, or even instances of hacks being successful.
What most people here object to is the bullshit as the previous poster said. They don't like being treated like mushrooms when they generally know better.
As for how to secure Linux further against hacking, good idea, lets see what we have at the moment, inbuilt firewall, secure shell (any sys-admin still using telnet without it being absolutely necessary should be shot on sight), md5 signatures, complete seperation of system level applications and user level applications (IE anyone?). This is a good foundation. Build on it, come up with your perfectly secure distro, but also make it useable.
Im sorry at what point did I say that Germany would not have finished the bomb if they had had the chance? Of course they bloody would have except for the small problem of the fact that they lost the war.
As for the use of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagisaki(sp?), I think you'll find that the Japanese had actually been trying to surrender for at least six months before the bombs were dropped.
But don't let a little thing like reality get in the way of a good right wing rant.
Brief history lesson, Germans almost develop ABomb, Americans using German know how do finish it. Americans only people to actually use a nuclear device in anger. Soviets steal secrets of ABomb from the Americans.
MAD isn't such a bad idea, unfortunately it relies on the premise that both sides are unwilling to risk it all in a conflict. It also relies on the fact that both sides have the same capabilities. If one side develops a technology that would mean they wont get wiped out in a world war then the balance has been thrown out of whack, and that is where things get dangerous.
Then you get the rogue states like Israel and North Korea, those who possess nuclear weapons yet refuse to sign onto the international treaties that form the basis of the MAD doctirine.
Teller didn't "balance the scales", if you want to get technical, the Soviets balanced the scales by stealing the Abomb.
Yes Dresden was worse in terms of damage and casualties, however I think a lot of the horror of nuclear weapons comes from the fact that attrocities like Dresden required thousands of tons of explosives being dropped by hundreds of bombers, while Hiroshima and Nagisaki(sp?) only took one bomb each.
Umm excuse me what the fuck are you talking about?
Of course the man who goes to a child prostitute is harming her. It doesn't matter whether she had been a prostitute for years or days, she is still a child and as such the man is committing a crime both against the law and nature.
As for your last paragraph, children cannot "choose" to participate in porn and neither should they be allowed to. They do not have the life experience necessary to be able to make the right choice. They are too easily persuaded because they don't know any better.
All in all your post appears to be condoning child sexual abuse, I hope like hell you don't have any kids because I would be seriously worried about them.
Actually from what I remember, most of the non "Apple is my god" posts for that one questioned the validity of the G5 benchmarking, comparing it to MS TCO studies and such and such.
Quick there is still time to do the complete HMS Pinafore before the end of the thread.
First a question. Did you vote in the last elections? If you did then that was your voice, if you didn't then stop fucking complaining about the government.
Secondly I am not about to fly out to the States just to try and take a gun from a gun nut. I would quite happily engage in a philosophical debate about the issue, or if you insisted on flying over, a knock down drag out fist fight.
Believe it or not, I am not a "gun hater", I believe guns have their uses just as do explosives and other dangerous objects, what I don't believe is the typical libertarian rant about how the government is evil and we must be ready to rise up at any time to overthrow the tyrant. That sort of thinking leads to barbecues like Waco.
Okay funnily enough I don't live in Europe, yes there is more to this planet than the EU and the US (I know shocking isn't it).
I don't hate the states, I hate what they are becoming, the once proud democracy and self proclaimed leader of the free world seems to be spiralling more and more into what some would say is a barely concealed dictatorship. This is a double tragedy when the nation is founded on such high ideals as was the US.
As for the gun issue, no I do not believe that it should be every mans right to bear arms. I believe that this can and has been a recipe for disaster. As can be seen by the fact that the two teenagers in the story managed to get hold of a rifle without their parents knowledge and take pot shots at passing cars. If those kids hadn't had access to the gun in the first place, then the incident would not have happened.
And please don't go throwing the second amendment in my face as justification for the right to bear arms, all the second ammendment does is allow for an organised citizens militia, basically a volunteer army of the citizenry, which suprisingly enough you have with the US Armed forces, which unless conscription has been brought back is a volunteer army of the citizenry.