Wasn't the windows source code leaked or something and when people tried to compile it, it turned out endless compiler errors just on the kernel? What do you mean get my facts out of here? This is a marketing only zone? I protest! I got my freedoms... oh, I don't have any freedoms, all my freedoms are belong to MS? Shoot, knew I should have paid more attention to that Stallman guy. Sure sure, I will bend over for the next windows update license agreement, will there be lube this time?
Your entire argument can be brought down by the fact the IE is such a lousy browser. Or that Vista blew chunks. Where is this paid for quality?
I will grant you that documentation is hard to get written for free by a developer because dev's hate doing that, but if paid dev's are any better, then why is the documentation for Windows so piss poor (they got into a bit of trouble with that in the courts when they were ordered to hand over the documentation and it was found out just how bad it was).
If you knew a bit about human beings you would see how stupid your argument is.
Who produces the best quality, a person only doing their job for they money OR a passionate volunteer who does it for the love of the job. Gosh, that is a hard one. It would be like asking which is better, a Soviet era Yugo or a McClaren F1. And the beauty of opensource is that the Yugo costs a fortune but the F1 is free.
You do remember that software is a unique product? No real production costs. Only the salary of the coder and if he works for free because he WANTS to do it... then the sky is the limit.
It tooks years for MS to get its webserver even close to performing as well as Apache, despite countless paid dev's. Windows security and reliability was a joke, despite years of paid developers.
Where are the results of all those paid developers?
Linux IS its freedom, without it, it wouldn't be the same and might not even exist.
One of the most beautiful things I find about GNU/Linux is that I can get a working development AND/OR server environment all from a single package manager. That is because all the software is free, no endless license agreements to click through or setup programs that try to install all kinds of crap or require me to register. Just apt-get/pacman/emerge.
To me windows is the OS that never fails to have a major hickup. Silly stuff like suddenly deciding I got duplicate ethernet cards or freezing completely on a copy and don't even get me started on the long work of visiting every website for all the various apps that I use, downloading them manually, then installing them, clicking through all the decisions, organising them efficiently (why does everything go in the main menu?).
OSX is little better although its setup is easier you still got to go hunting yourself. And don't even get me started on when you want to configure basic things like the END and HOME key to behave as you would expect them. And neither OS has focus under mouse, a basic feature that linux/unix gui's have gotten right for decades.
But all of that exists, because of the vision of a free set of tools Stallman had. Same as there are still whales swimming thanks to the "extreme" views of Greenpeace. Sure sure, you might to want to wear fur, but then you can't have whales.
I think it is sad that having principles is today considered extreme. People who say opensource freedom don't matter say that because they don't vote, democracy does not matter. You might be right, if you ever been in a place like China (and there are far worse places to be as a westerner) then you might have a hard time figuring out why dictatorship is so bad, everything works and crime is low.
A paradise surely? Yup, right up to the point that it is YOU they are coming after.
We recently have had two stories about software products being bought and their future being in doubt. MySQL now being owned by Oracle, and its future is fairly safe because GPL is hard to kill off. But what about FAST search now owned by MS? Oops its unix/linux support is gone just like that and screw anyone who depends on it, no way out for them.
Freedom, it doesn't matter until you no longer have it.
No flash and no multi-tasking. So... why should I buy this and not an Apple instead?
I knew when I started reading the thread that MS would screw it up. They always do, 7 versions (and really more since.5 are also major releases) and they still don't get it.
Nobody is going to buy MS because it looks cool, they can forget that market, cool people don't do windows. The only hope MS has is to be as PC like as they can. It works, not great or smooth but more or less as you expect so that you can use it as your are used to using windows, with all its faults.
There is a large enough market for Windows users, but for some reason, MS has got to screw it up. No flash, on windows... oh yeah, that is smart. MS, you are NOT Apple, they can get away with it, you can't. People, this is another Zune.
That is 106kg, that is FAT. Granted it is not inhuman and a really large man could be that weight and not be fat BUT this is about armrests not coming down. So it is fairly safe to presume we are NOT talking about 106kg of muscles here but 106kg's of stomach fat flopping all over the place.
And frankly, there is a point about air safety. Would you want to be stuck behind this guy on a burning aircraft?
And before all the fatties cry about how hard they got it, how many of you make life easier for people with real disabilities like blindness or being in a wheel chair?
Once you weight has reached triple digits (in KG), STOP EATING.
The copyright industry is already way ahead of you. They have decided that this man should be shown as an example in courts around the world. There are a lot of courts, so they had to cut him up pretty small, but in a way, that only makes the example more clear.
Evil, it is a lot easier when you realize you have no soul.
Don't be such a bore, everybody knows a good Asimov story is all about big explosions and CGI actors because nobody wants to be bored with story and acting ability.
Iceland got a problem, they lets a few individuals of the country run them up a multi billion euro debt that they now ask others to bear.
Now they want even more sympathy, yet in all of this posturing and pleading I have not heard the one thing that might me like them more:
"We rounded up those responsible and killed them". Surely bankrupting a nation is against some kind of law? All you need is one loaded pistol and you will be gaining a LOT of Dutch/British sympathy.
Geez, what a way to spoil a good frotting. here I was all worried that they would employ chain-gun wielding autonomous robots to shoot first and not bother with questions and then you bring in all these sensible facts.
Now what am I to do with all this frot I build up eh?
You are EXACTLY what is wrong with the prequels. To much. Star Wars was Star Wars precisely because it wasn't over the top comic book stuff. Obi-wan never jumped all over the place, the fight was between minds, not bodies. Yoda was not great because he bounced of walls but because he had his emotions under control. It is REAL samurai vs the kind of stuff you get in anime. Control vs Flashy effects.
Quick show of hands, who wants the millenium falcon and who the silver thingy from the prequels? What is its name again? Oh you don't know? My point exactly.
The original movies were a less clean then the prequels. Obi-wan is not the perfect jedi. Solo is a smuggler. Skywalker just a farm boy (and in a new hope he ain't the destined one the way his father is made out to be) and the princess has lost everything.
Compare this with the prequels which are practically a period piece with all the nobility running around.
Stop being so goddamn conceited and think that you as a kid were the only thing that mattered. ADULTS watched the original movies AND enjoyed them. It was NOT a made for kid movie even if you saw it at matinee with other 5yr olds.
Really, your kind is responsible that animation == kids in the west. Hell, return of the jedi was PG-13.
Stop it with this dumb idea that Star Wars was this big hit for kids only.
A: Lots of people don't vote and democracy has always been the dictatorship of the majority of voters. So the only people who vote are the people who care about things.
B: Solving real problems is hard, porn is simple and it appeals to those who bother to vote.
C: And how dare a person living in a country that invented the bleep AND the mosaic over the mouth of the person being bleeped say anything about anyone other country?
So I guess you are advertising yourself as a PC user by being easily frustrated, violent and unable to learn anything so you resort to using an OS soon 10 years out of date...
Somehow I don't think MS will be calling you to advertise for them.
Lets face it:
Mac users = Gay.
Linux users = Elitist assholes.
BSD users = Even more elitist assholes.
PC users = Wishing they could be any of the above so they to could have cool sites to post upon rather then having to claim "I am a geek" on a windows machine.
Oh okay, let me try to re-cap what he is claiming.
A: I run a proxy so that people can access the internet through me and get around filters. Example: from China access cluelesssiteowner.com to read wikipedia.org.
B: This costs money.
C: I want to plaster this proxy experience with ads to pay for this.
D: If I make the ads annoying enough, I can pay to keep the proxy running.
Is this guy a marketing genius or what? His reasoning is straight out of the Internet bubble days.
NO SHERLOCK. People using a proxy to access a site are NOT people you can advertise to. Why would an American company pay for eyeballs in China? Especially eyeballs that want to be hidden for some reason? Shindlers List, now sponsored by Coca Cola!
Your proxy will either be used by privacy freaks who think that anyone cares what they do OR people who actually need it. In both cases, ads will not be useful at all. The first will freak out at the thought that ad company can read their mind because yes their penis needs to be bigger and in the last case, the people got better things to worry about.
Either find some alternative way of funding your proxy or just eat the costs out of the goodness of your heart. But no sensible advertiser will advertise on a proxy server. How after all are you going to track user identity? Proxies should be anonymous, so how do you track how many unique visits you have unless you keep records and that means your proxy is worthless from a privacy view point.
Really, is the web bubble back again? This is such a classic "I got an audience, advertisers love audiences, I can make some cash here!" idea.
What the hell did Linus invent? He is not an inventor, he is a builder! Big and important difference, it is the difference between scientists and engineers, between architects and builders.
And you need BOTH but not to confuse the two or you are going to drive over a bridge made by someone who believes in testing rather then knowing.
Because this would NOT be like Einstein becoming a creationist. This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it and then people slowly realizing that his original work was not his own work at all but that of the people around him.
If you are willing to read into the development behind the original movie, then you notice that Lucas had far less to do with that movie and had more people around him who were willing to oppose him, who he was willing to listen to and frankly Lucas knowing he could NOT do everything.
For instance it is recognized that a lot of the writing was in fact done by his then wife. That does not say that was Lucas did with A New Hope was not amazing, it was, but the amazing thing he really did was get a team together, lead them and then allowed them produce this movie that had such an imprint on society that it has become part of western culture.
With the prequels, he took far more control and surrounded himself by a 2 yes men. You can see it in the documentaries, you can see nobody willing to say "this doesn't work" even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results.
And so, we do NOT say "oh he sucks because of those prequel movies" but "he sucks because it turned out it was the team that made the original movies and now he is a big shot and can do it all himself, he blows chunks".
In a way, the fans may be to blame. How many times have we called out to Lucas as this great filmmaker and given him an ego, rather then saying "wow, all those people that worked on it, made a fantasic movie of which Lucas was the producer?". The fans and George Lucas have come to believe that he could make a movie all alone. He can't.
And part may also be tech limits. I get the feeling that if Lucas had had the budget and credit, he would have made A New Hope in the same way, with a leaping Obi-Wan and a flying Artoo and god knows what more.
Ultimately, A New Hope might just have been an accident. A producer new enough to still listen, actors willing to risk talking back because they weren't to much in awe of either the man or the money. Tech which prevented to much slapstick in the mids of combat and a wife would could actually write. And that is a pretty sad conclusion, because there really hasn't been anything close to Star Wars. Well, the Lord of the Rings, but that was based on an existing book. Were is the next George Lucas who can have an entire audience love a simple fairytale for decades?
I mean that is like saying because the only female leader of britain turned out to be Margaret "Mad Cow" Tatcher... wait a minute... you might be on to something.
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Quick, tell me, you being creeped out, has that stopped you from using Windows? No?
Rather selective in your creeping out aren't you?
Notice that MS has NO problems censoring with Bing. Neither does MS link to chillingeffects when it is forced to censor something.
Wasn't the windows source code leaked or something and when people tried to compile it, it turned out endless compiler errors just on the kernel? What do you mean get my facts out of here? This is a marketing only zone? I protest! I got my freedoms... oh, I don't have any freedoms, all my freedoms are belong to MS? Shoot, knew I should have paid more attention to that Stallman guy. Sure sure, I will bend over for the next windows update license agreement, will there be lube this time?
Your entire argument can be brought down by the fact the IE is such a lousy browser. Or that Vista blew chunks. Where is this paid for quality?
I will grant you that documentation is hard to get written for free by a developer because dev's hate doing that, but if paid dev's are any better, then why is the documentation for Windows so piss poor (they got into a bit of trouble with that in the courts when they were ordered to hand over the documentation and it was found out just how bad it was).
If you knew a bit about human beings you would see how stupid your argument is.
Who produces the best quality, a person only doing their job for they money OR a passionate volunteer who does it for the love of the job. Gosh, that is a hard one. It would be like asking which is better, a Soviet era Yugo or a McClaren F1. And the beauty of opensource is that the Yugo costs a fortune but the F1 is free.
You do remember that software is a unique product? No real production costs. Only the salary of the coder and if he works for free because he WANTS to do it... then the sky is the limit.
It tooks years for MS to get its webserver even close to performing as well as Apache, despite countless paid dev's. Windows security and reliability was a joke, despite years of paid developers.
Where are the results of all those paid developers?
You get it exactly and word it perfectly.
Linux IS its freedom, without it, it wouldn't be the same and might not even exist.
One of the most beautiful things I find about GNU/Linux is that I can get a working development AND/OR server environment all from a single package manager. That is because all the software is free, no endless license agreements to click through or setup programs that try to install all kinds of crap or require me to register. Just apt-get/pacman/emerge.
To me windows is the OS that never fails to have a major hickup. Silly stuff like suddenly deciding I got duplicate ethernet cards or freezing completely on a copy and don't even get me started on the long work of visiting every website for all the various apps that I use, downloading them manually, then installing them, clicking through all the decisions, organising them efficiently (why does everything go in the main menu?).
OSX is little better although its setup is easier you still got to go hunting yourself. And don't even get me started on when you want to configure basic things like the END and HOME key to behave as you would expect them. And neither OS has focus under mouse, a basic feature that linux/unix gui's have gotten right for decades.
But all of that exists, because of the vision of a free set of tools Stallman had. Same as there are still whales swimming thanks to the "extreme" views of Greenpeace. Sure sure, you might to want to wear fur, but then you can't have whales.
I think it is sad that having principles is today considered extreme. People who say opensource freedom don't matter say that because they don't vote, democracy does not matter. You might be right, if you ever been in a place like China (and there are far worse places to be as a westerner) then you might have a hard time figuring out why dictatorship is so bad, everything works and crime is low.
A paradise surely? Yup, right up to the point that it is YOU they are coming after.
We recently have had two stories about software products being bought and their future being in doubt. MySQL now being owned by Oracle, and its future is fairly safe because GPL is hard to kill off. But what about FAST search now owned by MS? Oops its unix/linux support is gone just like that and screw anyone who depends on it, no way out for them.
Freedom, it doesn't matter until you no longer have it.
No flash and no multi-tasking. So... why should I buy this and not an Apple instead?
I knew when I started reading the thread that MS would screw it up. They always do, 7 versions (and really more since .5 are also major releases) and they still don't get it.
Nobody is going to buy MS because it looks cool, they can forget that market, cool people don't do windows. The only hope MS has is to be as PC like as they can. It works, not great or smooth but more or less as you expect so that you can use it as your are used to using windows, with all its faults.
There is a large enough market for Windows users, but for some reason, MS has got to screw it up. No flash, on windows... oh yeah, that is smart. MS, you are NOT Apple, they can get away with it, you can't. People, this is another Zune.
That is 106kg, that is FAT. Granted it is not inhuman and a really large man could be that weight and not be fat BUT this is about armrests not coming down. So it is fairly safe to presume we are NOT talking about 106kg of muscles here but 106kg's of stomach fat flopping all over the place.
And frankly, there is a point about air safety. Would you want to be stuck behind this guy on a burning aircraft?
And before all the fatties cry about how hard they got it, how many of you make life easier for people with real disabilities like blindness or being in a wheel chair?
Once you weight has reached triple digits (in KG), STOP EATING.
The copyright industry is already way ahead of you. They have decided that this man should be shown as an example in courts around the world. There are a lot of courts, so they had to cut him up pretty small, but in a way, that only makes the example more clear.
Evil, it is a lot easier when you realize you have no soul.
There are no aliens in "Foundations". Yet.
I would take a camera, set it up, put some actors in front of it, shout "roll camera" and then "action".
I think you will find that with your method, you will get a lot of actors standing around AFTER they have given the best performance of their lives.
Planning a movie, a lot harder the you think.
A porsche supercar, that is green. He will twist himself in so many idiotic claims, he might just croak.
So, no downside to this then.
Don't be such a bore, everybody knows a good Asimov story is all about big explosions and CGI actors because nobody wants to be bored with story and acting ability.
And hey, at least it ain't Lucas doing it...
Warner got their ball, so they make the rules or else they take their ball home with them.
And for some reason, the rest of the world cares and can not simply pick up a snowball and give this Warner brat one to the back of its head.
Iceland got a problem, they lets a few individuals of the country run them up a multi billion euro debt that they now ask others to bear.
Now they want even more sympathy, yet in all of this posturing and pleading I have not heard the one thing that might me like them more:
"We rounded up those responsible and killed them". Surely bankrupting a nation is against some kind of law? All you need is one loaded pistol and you will be gaining a LOT of Dutch/British sympathy.
Geez, what a way to spoil a good frotting. here I was all worried that they would employ chain-gun wielding autonomous robots to shoot first and not bother with questions and then you bring in all these sensible facts.
Now what am I to do with all this frot I build up eh?
You are EXACTLY what is wrong with the prequels. To much. Star Wars was Star Wars precisely because it wasn't over the top comic book stuff. Obi-wan never jumped all over the place, the fight was between minds, not bodies. Yoda was not great because he bounced of walls but because he had his emotions under control. It is REAL samurai vs the kind of stuff you get in anime. Control vs Flashy effects.
Quick show of hands, who wants the millenium falcon and who the silver thingy from the prequels? What is its name again? Oh you don't know? My point exactly.
The original movies were a less clean then the prequels. Obi-wan is not the perfect jedi. Solo is a smuggler. Skywalker just a farm boy (and in a new hope he ain't the destined one the way his father is made out to be) and the princess has lost everything.
Compare this with the prequels which are practically a period piece with all the nobility running around.
Stop being so goddamn conceited and think that you as a kid were the only thing that mattered. ADULTS watched the original movies AND enjoyed them. It was NOT a made for kid movie even if you saw it at matinee with other 5yr olds.
Really, your kind is responsible that animation == kids in the west. Hell, return of the jedi was PG-13.
Stop it with this dumb idea that Star Wars was this big hit for kids only.
A: Lots of people don't vote and democracy has always been the dictatorship of the majority of voters. So the only people who vote are the people who care about things.
B: Solving real problems is hard, porn is simple and it appeals to those who bother to vote.
C: And how dare a person living in a country that invented the bleep AND the mosaic over the mouth of the person being bleeped say anything about anyone other country?
So I guess you are advertising yourself as a PC user by being easily frustrated, violent and unable to learn anything so you resort to using an OS soon 10 years out of date...
Somehow I don't think MS will be calling you to advertise for them.
Lets face it:
Mac users = Gay.
Linux users = Elitist assholes.
BSD users = Even more elitist assholes.
PC users = Wishing they could be any of the above so they to could have cool sites to post upon rather then having to claim "I am a geek" on a windows machine.
Oh okay, let me try to re-cap what he is claiming.
A: I run a proxy so that people can access the internet through me and get around filters. Example: from China access cluelesssiteowner.com to read wikipedia.org.
B: This costs money.
C: I want to plaster this proxy experience with ads to pay for this.
D: If I make the ads annoying enough, I can pay to keep the proxy running.
Is this guy a marketing genius or what? His reasoning is straight out of the Internet bubble days.
NO SHERLOCK. People using a proxy to access a site are NOT people you can advertise to. Why would an American company pay for eyeballs in China? Especially eyeballs that want to be hidden for some reason? Shindlers List, now sponsored by Coca Cola!
Your proxy will either be used by privacy freaks who think that anyone cares what they do OR people who actually need it. In both cases, ads will not be useful at all. The first will freak out at the thought that ad company can read their mind because yes their penis needs to be bigger and in the last case, the people got better things to worry about.
Either find some alternative way of funding your proxy or just eat the costs out of the goodness of your heart. But no sensible advertiser will advertise on a proxy server. How after all are you going to track user identity? Proxies should be anonymous, so how do you track how many unique visits you have unless you keep records and that means your proxy is worthless from a privacy view point.
Really, is the web bubble back again? This is such a classic "I got an audience, advertisers love audiences, I can make some cash here!" idea.
What the hell did Linus invent? He is not an inventor, he is a builder! Big and important difference, it is the difference between scientists and engineers, between architects and builders.
And you need BOTH but not to confuse the two or you are going to drive over a bridge made by someone who believes in testing rather then knowing.
What next, Newton inventing gravity?
Because this would NOT be like Einstein becoming a creationist. This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it and then people slowly realizing that his original work was not his own work at all but that of the people around him.
If you are willing to read into the development behind the original movie, then you notice that Lucas had far less to do with that movie and had more people around him who were willing to oppose him, who he was willing to listen to and frankly Lucas knowing he could NOT do everything.
For instance it is recognized that a lot of the writing was in fact done by his then wife. That does not say that was Lucas did with A New Hope was not amazing, it was, but the amazing thing he really did was get a team together, lead them and then allowed them produce this movie that had such an imprint on society that it has become part of western culture.
With the prequels, he took far more control and surrounded himself by a 2 yes men. You can see it in the documentaries, you can see nobody willing to say "this doesn't work" even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results.
And so, we do NOT say "oh he sucks because of those prequel movies" but "he sucks because it turned out it was the team that made the original movies and now he is a big shot and can do it all himself, he blows chunks".
In a way, the fans may be to blame. How many times have we called out to Lucas as this great filmmaker and given him an ego, rather then saying "wow, all those people that worked on it, made a fantasic movie of which Lucas was the producer?". The fans and George Lucas have come to believe that he could make a movie all alone. He can't.
And part may also be tech limits. I get the feeling that if Lucas had had the budget and credit, he would have made A New Hope in the same way, with a leaping Obi-Wan and a flying Artoo and god knows what more.
Ultimately, A New Hope might just have been an accident. A producer new enough to still listen, actors willing to risk talking back because they weren't to much in awe of either the man or the money. Tech which prevented to much slapstick in the mids of combat and a wife would could actually write. And that is a pretty sad conclusion, because there really hasn't been anything close to Star Wars. Well, the Lord of the Rings, but that was based on an existing book. Were is the next George Lucas who can have an entire audience love a simple fairytale for decades?
Leopard to snow leopard is the changing of the bits BETWEEN the spots. Not the spots themselves. Coincidence, I think not.
Unless you got some example were men are being stopped from becoming nurses, you are blowing smoke.
I mean that is like saying because the only female leader of britain turned out to be Margaret "Mad Cow" Tatcher... wait a minute... you might be on to something.