A) would happen anyway whenever you switch to new hardware regardless of the OS that is on the old/new machine. I presume at least that you do not think that linux will not run on windows hardware.
B) Most of the drones have to be trained anyway. For a large company this cost goes down as they often have their own trainers.
C) Yup but nobody is suggestion (well nobody but zealots) an overnight switch. Rather the replacement of end-of-life equipment OS/systems with new. Since MS is also forcing this switch with their constant OS/serice pack changes switching to another OS might be considered a one time expence.
I think you are forgetting that a lot of companies hate MS forced upgrade. The one I work for (large mobile telco in eu) at the moment still uses NT service pack 5. It works and moving costs a bundle. Zero reasons for IT managers to consider upgrading except that MS has cut support.
Pardon me for being a bit slow but if every spam had ADV: at the beginning of the subject line wouldn't it be really easy to filter it at the server and client? The first never accepts the rest and the second just sends it straight to/dev/null or whatever that is on windows.
If everyone just deletes their spam even with the extreme low costs of sending it it just wouldn't be profitable anymore.
Is the requirement actually that odd? I do know that american game mags have (Advertisement) above all the adds or is this voluntary?
I think you left out one little thing. CREATE. Remember that bit in the article about home movies? Those would be affected as well. Same with building you're own OS/game/player/whatever not because we need to but because we want to.
Perhaps even a greater use I want is to be free. Free as I am free to hotrod my car, free as I am to cut up my jeans, free as I am to die of alcohol abuse, just free to do my own thing when I am not hurting other people. Or would all that be illegal as well?
Last time I checked linux was from norway, not the US and therefore not subject to its laws. Last time I checked the drivers where being written by volunteers often without any aid by the manufacturer. There have been quite a few laws passed to stop digital happening, remember the ban on exporting ecryption? None of them have ever worked. Why? Cause the world is a lot larger then the US.
Well flash is a standard of sorts and anyway is available for linux. Would have been nice to get standard screenshots option as well.
Thing that baffled me was that it refused to open in opera and when I opened the url in IE it asked to download VB scripting. I denied and the flash loaded anyway but still mighty odd for a linux site.
As I looked through the flash demo I was going wtf and "this sucks" at every page. Plenty of skins around that do this and a lot more. So why do I agree it is slick? Cause it ain't aimed at me. This is aimed at the people who want to use services wich just happen to run on a computer.
I can really imagine installing this for friends who want to surf/email/divx/chat but who wouldn't know their way through a setup.exe let alone a./configure && make && make install if I stood behind them with a whip.
Master plan:
Buy old iMac
Install linuxn for ppc
Install this little app
Never get called around to my girls house to safe her bacon and have her be gratefull to me...., mmm maybe I need to think this out a little more.
I never liked KDE, so sue me. It for my tastes tries to hard to be like windows including its online HELP crap in html. Thank god then that I never used it:-) as sadly they seem to take over the shoddy coding as well.
Oh and please I do know that this is probably just a simple oversight that they will patch in a few hours. Unlike MS wich probably includes a EULA requiring you to sign over you're first born. This is just a way for me to stab back against all those KDE users that make fun of my enlightenment/opera setup.
Actually books do. At least the paperbacks I read usually have stuff in them that they may not be resold or disturbted to places like australia. (Was explained to me by people who should know that this is done for the same reason as the region encoding).
You are talking about 1 type of warranty as it is understood by all reasonable people. They problem is that warranties in the legal world, ie the one where you get sued, has a far wider definition.
I am talking about the world where bags of peanuts have to be labeled with a warning, May contain nuts. Where people sue manufactures of kitchen appliances since the manuel did not say they should not put their pets inside to dry.
However the bugs you mention would fall under warranty even when dealing with normal people. If I got into a car accident because the car I drove had a bug you can bet that the manufacurer has to pay up. Same as when a program did something it was not supposed to do or supposed to do at the time(say like a car blocking its brakes on the highway). Car company's can still get their warranty's back by insurance company's because they can do relative simple testing, and because they in turn by the parts from third parties.
The real problem is not selling a programm like gcc, the problem is for a company like redhat wich has 7 cd's full of progs like gcc. I know that there are a fair number of apps on those cd's that could cause somekind of damage to the end user, any partition tool for one. If they fail to properly caution then they are laible for any damage that results.
Insurance companies just don't like to take risks except for large amounts of money.
The phones where basically like a cordless phone, and priced only a little bit more expensive, and could work in places like metros, shopping centres and train stations. Its failure wasn't spectacular because nobody noticed it. The phones where in the display of the national phone company (only had the one back then) and then all of a sudden they where gone. Only later with prepaid gsm did mobile phones take off. After in all the places that kermit worked you also had public phones. So the service was redundant. But how many public ethernet ports do exists? Outside airports I never seen them.
I also think the article makes the wrong comparison. Considering the target audience arent wireless hotspots like the early mobile (car) phones? You know the ones like a brick that only worked in the large cities? They took of like the proverbial rccket. Wireless computing is aimed at the business men, kermit was aimed at the consumer.
mmm, if Redhat had to put up the money to buy insurance for warranties, we end up paying for it. If small developers stop their projects because they don't want to risk being sued, we end up paying for it.
This is like the practice of sueing doctors for malpractice. Sure when it first happened it was a good way to go after bad doctors. But now medical service is being hurt cause the costs of malpractice insurance is going out of control.
Software can and should indeed be tested. The question is to what lengths? Lets take an example from the real, physical, world that we have all heard about. Should an architect be sued because his building did not stand-up to the impact of an airliner causing hundreds of people to die? Or indeed the airline company for failure to protect the passengers from a collision with a building?
No of course not since these events could not have been forseen. Or at least not by anyone who does not live in hollywood.
Most software faults occur because of mismatch between products, bad configuration or improper use. Responsible programmers and most are will of course attempt to test their work first but they are only human. They can not be asked to predict every possible situation that may cause their program to fail. If you think otherwise please list them all for you're most popular piece of software.
Most bugs in software can only be getting rid of by testing it in the wild in customers, you youreselve say so. How exaclty should this be done if the testers can sue for any bugs?
You would envision a world where nothing can be released before it has been proven 100% safe. The world would be very boring indeed if this ever happened. But lets agree on a happy medium, a great big yellow sticker on all open source software.
Warning, product when installed will consume space on HD of more then 0 bytes.
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Living in holland where we do not have free speech in the same literal sense as the US seems to have I am a bit confused. How exaclty is sending an email to someone an excersise in free speech? Surely the right to free speech does not give me the right to erect a 10000watt speaker set in in say NY and broadcast my opinion to everyone? An anti spam law would be directed against sending what you say, not against you saying it.
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This may be one of the most stupid comments you ever read, but can you filter on html tags? IE if the body is contained entirly with in tags, it is spam? After all how many normal people send html only email to you?
Because sony is huge and can afford to bet on different outcomes? Wich kinda explains why Sony has mp3 players. Sorta like shell (oil company) sponsoring solar powered race cars.
The lawyers probably would have seen had the glaring dollars signs from the sales people not blinded them. The Desktop GIANT planting an order 6 million + chips? Even if the lawyers saw it anything they said would have been drowned out be the cash registers.
The odd thing is that their tech guys didn't spot this. After all why should the graphics ship have the code hardcoded in it?
Okay, step one switch of hindsight. As I tried to make clear nobody thought anything of it when the goverment of germany (nazi was just a word like say democrat now) started collecting data about its citizens. Just like you and plenty others think nothing of it that MS can install software (windows update was an update but also a new piece of software) on you're machine.
Now imagine say 2 years in the future. The net has spread even wider and lots of people around the world are reading all kinds of articles. Say now that a goverment wants to monitor that people do not read the wrong kind of articles, china perhaps. All they have to use is install an update that calls home with youre internet searches. Sorta like ms does already.
Will MS do this? Most likely not, at least that is what we think now. Same as everyone thought in the 30's that hitler was harmless. Plenty of germans really thought, or at least claimed so, that the jews where simply being relocated to other parts of the country.
The point that I am trying to make is that this could be one small step to a not very nice future. Just as the holocaust, and yes I know that for now the two are uncomparable, didn't start overnight. But their is one comparison. The jews who filled in the census just like you thought their was nothing to worry about. I think you will agree with me that they where wrong. I hope you are not. I think that you are not but I am not going to bet my future on it.
You mention huge leaps in logic. For this to turn into a really bad thing several other things need to happen that so far are unthinkable in western culture today. But just as the longest journey starts with a single step, the greatest evils start with a slight wrong.
Yes I am a pessimist and paranoid, you would to after a family trip in the car around the country with you're grandfather and he points out places where members of you're family where picked up and deported or killed on the spot.
Quake III: Using the Chromium software, we can play Quake III Arena at a resolution of 3840x2400 pixels.
Where can I buy it and how much does it cost?
Really, it always amazes me what a laid back company IBM is.
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You say that it would be very hard for MS to install software without youre knowledge. For now perhaps. In real life big changes take many small steps and MS knows this only to well. Lets see wich steps are in place already for MS to be able to install software on you're PC without you're knowledge.
Legal, you just accepted it
Technical, they control the OS, it only has to call home for MS to know you're machine and foila
Doing it with stealth, DMCA, sniffing packets to find out what is being sent in communcations between MS and the OS is a violation of the DMCA. You publish a warning you go to jail.
Hmmm that seems to be all I can think off.
If I am paranoid then the internet made me. I would never consider owning a gun in real life. On the net, anyone got some nukes on the cheap?
Some time ago in a country probably not you're own, a goverment installed a computer system to track people census ratings, (how much they earn, where they live, what religion they follow).
The time was the early 30's, the country was germany. The rest is history.
Sadly most of that history seems to be that those who were not jews had nothing to fear. There is a famous quote by a german, Martin Niemoller (See here or search google wich has been neatly paraphrased for the/. crowd.
"In america, they first came for the hackers, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a hacker. Then they came for the DeCSS, and I didn't speak up because I didn't watch DVDs. Then they came for Napster and MP3, and I didn't speak up because I didn't listen to MP3s. Then they came for the cryptographes and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a cryptographer. They they came for the researchers and the curious, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a researcher and didn't question things. Then they came for me, but by that time there was no one left to speak up" Richard Forno, Washington DC.
Those who think they are safe because they are not now being targetted are cattle who think the herd makes the wolves go away. All cattle ends up being eaten by the meat eaters (be they lions or maggots) and you are next.
The point of the article is not that we the first adopters are incapable of dealing with the flood of spam. (we set up our own server, install complex filters, use long email adresses) Myself I get exactly 2 spam in the last two years. Both send to a catchall account at work.
What the author seems to be mostly worried about is that new users may not be capable or even willing to deal with it. Why should you're mother have to install a checker, keep up-to-date on a list just to get you're email when you are coming to visit?
An earlier article here showed that in one state it is now going to be very expensive, this is like that real battles that had to be fought against junkmail, or earlier people putting up rogue signs and posters. But in all these previous battles there was on the other end a real brick and mortar business that could be visited by the legal system. With spam this seems not to be the case anymore and they are getting away with things that no normal advertising company would be allowed and creating a very real burden on a large group of consumers, while at the same time providing very little work or taxes in return.
It is time for the goverments to step in. They did so before to protect the consumer from being swamped and they should do so now. Not for the people at/. who are smart enough to work around it, but for the billions who are not.
This law should not just protect the current form of email spam, it should also work against things like unsolicited SMS spam. Perhaps if these laws where in place all those who mentioned that they only used hotmail for dubious sites would no longer feel the need.
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A) would happen anyway whenever you switch to new hardware regardless of the OS that is on the old/new machine. I presume at least that you do not think that linux will not run on windows hardware.
B) Most of the drones have to be trained anyway. For a large company this cost goes down as they often have their own trainers.
C) Yup but nobody is suggestion (well nobody but zealots) an overnight switch. Rather the replacement of end-of-life equipment OS/systems with new. Since MS is also forcing this switch with their constant OS/serice pack changes switching to another OS might be considered a one time expence.
I think you are forgetting that a lot of companies hate MS forced upgrade. The one I work for (large mobile telco in eu) at the moment still uses NT service pack 5. It works and moving costs a bundle. Zero reasons for IT managers to consider upgrading except that MS has cut support.
If everyone just deletes their spam even with the extreme low costs of sending it it just wouldn't be profitable anymore.
Is the requirement actually that odd? I do know that american game mags have (Advertisement) above all the adds or is this voluntary?
RedFacedFurryCreature had a modern education.
Perhaps even a greater use I want is to be free. Free as I am free to hotrod my car, free as I am to cut up my jeans, free as I am to die of alcohol abuse, just free to do my own thing when I am not hurting other people. Or would all that be illegal as well?
Last time I checked linux was from norway, not the US and therefore not subject to its laws. Last time I checked the drivers where being written by volunteers often without any aid by the manufacturer. There have been quite a few laws passed to stop digital happening, remember the ban on exporting ecryption? None of them have ever worked. Why? Cause the world is a lot larger then the US.
Would have nice if I had looked a little bit more carefully :-)
Thing that baffled me was that it refused to open in opera and when I opened the url in IE it asked to download VB scripting. I denied and the flash loaded anyway but still mighty odd for a linux site.
I can really imagine installing this for friends who want to surf/email/divx/chat but who wouldn't know their way through a setup.exe let alone a ./configure && make && make install if I stood behind them with a whip.
Master plan:
Oh and please I do know that this is probably just a simple oversight that they will patch in a few hours. Unlike MS wich probably includes a EULA requiring you to sign over you're first born. This is just a way for me to stab back against all those KDE users that make fun of my enlightenment/opera setup.
Actually books do. At least the paperbacks I read usually have stuff in them that they may not be resold or disturbted to places like australia. (Was explained to me by people who should know that this is done for the same reason as the region encoding).
I am talking about the world where bags of peanuts have to be labeled with a warning, May contain nuts. Where people sue manufactures of kitchen appliances since the manuel did not say they should not put their pets inside to dry.
However the bugs you mention would fall under warranty even when dealing with normal people. If I got into a car accident because the car I drove had a bug you can bet that the manufacurer has to pay up. Same as when a program did something it was not supposed to do or supposed to do at the time(say like a car blocking its brakes on the highway). Car company's can still get their warranty's back by insurance company's because they can do relative simple testing, and because they in turn by the parts from third parties.
The real problem is not selling a programm like gcc, the problem is for a company like redhat wich has 7 cd's full of progs like gcc. I know that there are a fair number of apps on those cd's that could cause somekind of damage to the end user, any partition tool for one. If they fail to properly caution then they are laible for any damage that results.
Insurance companies just don't like to take risks except for large amounts of money.
I also think the article makes the wrong comparison. Considering the target audience arent wireless hotspots like the early mobile (car) phones? You know the ones like a brick that only worked in the large cities? They took of like the proverbial rccket. Wireless computing is aimed at the business men, kermit was aimed at the consumer.
This is like the practice of sueing doctors for malpractice. Sure when it first happened it was a good way to go after bad doctors. But now medical service is being hurt cause the costs of malpractice insurance is going out of control.
No of course not since these events could not have been forseen. Or at least not by anyone who does not live in hollywood.
Most software faults occur because of mismatch between products, bad configuration or improper use. Responsible programmers and most are will of course attempt to test their work first but they are only human. They can not be asked to predict every possible situation that may cause their program to fail. If you think otherwise please list them all for you're most popular piece of software.
Most bugs in software can only be getting rid of by testing it in the wild in customers, you youreselve say so. How exaclty should this be done if the testers can sue for any bugs?
You would envision a world where nothing can be released before it has been proven 100% safe. The world would be very boring indeed if this ever happened. But lets agree on a happy medium, a great big yellow sticker on all open source software.
Warning, product when installed will consume space on HD of more then 0 bytes.
Living in holland where we do not have free speech in the same literal sense as the US seems to have I am a bit confused. How exaclty is sending an email to someone an excersise in free speech? Surely the right to free speech does not give me the right to erect a 10000watt speaker set in in say NY and broadcast my opinion to everyone? An anti spam law would be directed against sending what you say, not against you saying it.
This may be one of the most stupid comments you ever read, but can you filter on html tags? IE if the body is contained entirly with in tags, it is spam? After all how many normal people send html only email to you?
Billboards do not require me to pay for viewing them, downloading an email does.
And for them spam on radio and tv I get something back namely the program I am watching.
The spammers give nothing back and obey no law.
Because sony is huge and can afford to bet on different outcomes? Wich kinda explains why Sony has mp3 players. Sorta like shell (oil company) sponsoring solar powered race cars.
The odd thing is that their tech guys didn't spot this. After all why should the graphics ship have the code hardcoded in it?
Now imagine say 2 years in the future. The net has spread even wider and lots of people around the world are reading all kinds of articles. Say now that a goverment wants to monitor that people do not read the wrong kind of articles, china perhaps. All they have to use is install an update that calls home with youre internet searches. Sorta like ms does already.
Will MS do this? Most likely not, at least that is what we think now. Same as everyone thought in the 30's that hitler was harmless. Plenty of germans really thought, or at least claimed so, that the jews where simply being relocated to other parts of the country.
The point that I am trying to make is that this could be one small step to a not very nice future. Just as the holocaust, and yes I know that for now the two are uncomparable, didn't start overnight. But their is one comparison. The jews who filled in the census just like you thought their was nothing to worry about. I think you will agree with me that they where wrong. I hope you are not. I think that you are not but I am not going to bet my future on it.
You mention huge leaps in logic. For this to turn into a really bad thing several other things need to happen that so far are unthinkable in western culture today. But just as the longest journey starts with a single step, the greatest evils start with a slight wrong.
Yes I am a pessimist and paranoid, you would to after a family trip in the car around the country with you're grandfather and he points out places where members of you're family where picked up and deported or killed on the spot.
MS has the right to update and fix any software bit automaticcaly. :P
Quake III: Using the Chromium software, we can play Quake III Arena at a resolution of 3840x2400 pixels.
Where can I buy it and how much does it cost?
Really, it always amazes me what a laid back company IBM is.
- Legal, you just accepted it
- Technical, they control the OS, it only has to call home for MS to know you're machine and foila
- Doing it with stealth, DMCA, sniffing packets to find out what is being sent in communcations between MS and the OS is a violation of the DMCA. You publish a warning you go to jail.
Hmmm that seems to be all I can think off.If I am paranoid then the internet made me. I would never consider owning a gun in real life. On the net, anyone got some nukes on the cheap?
Some time ago in a country probably not you're own, a goverment installed a computer system to track people census ratings, (how much they earn, where they live, what religion they follow).
The time was the early 30's, the country was germany. The rest is history.
Sadly most of that history seems to be that those who were not jews had nothing to fear. There is a famous quote by a german, Martin Niemoller (See here or search google wich has been neatly paraphrased for the /. crowd.
"In america, they first came for the hackers, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a hacker. Then they came for the DeCSS, and I didn't speak up because I didn't watch DVDs. Then they came for Napster and MP3, and I didn't speak up because I didn't listen to MP3s. Then they came for the cryptographes and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a cryptographer. They they came for the researchers and the curious, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a researcher and didn't question things. Then they came for me, but by that time there was no one left to speak up" Richard Forno, Washington DC.
Those who think they are safe because they are not now being targetted are cattle who think the herd makes the wolves go away. All cattle ends up being eaten by the meat eaters (be they lions or maggots) and you are next.
The point of the article is not that we the first adopters are incapable of dealing with the flood of spam. (we set up our own server, install complex filters, use long email adresses) Myself I get exactly 2 spam in the last two years. Both send to a catchall account at work.
What the author seems to be mostly worried about is that new users may not be capable or even willing to deal with it. Why should you're mother have to install a checker, keep up-to-date on a list just to get you're email when you are coming to visit?
An earlier article here showed that in one state it is now going to be very expensive, this is like that real battles that had to be fought against junkmail, or earlier people putting up rogue signs and posters. But in all these previous battles there was on the other end a real brick and mortar business that could be visited by the legal system. With spam this seems not to be the case anymore and they are getting away with things that no normal advertising company would be allowed and creating a very real burden on a large group of consumers, while at the same time providing very little work or taxes in return.
It is time for the goverments to step in. They did so before to protect the consumer from being swamped and they should do so now. Not for the people at /. who are smart enough to work around it, but for the billions who are not.
This law should not just protect the current form of email spam, it should also work against things like unsolicited SMS spam. Perhaps if these laws where in place all those who mentioned that they only used hotmail for dubious sites would no longer feel the need.
Flames to ddpv@hotmail.com please :P