why would you want to do this? By the time you pay for the vmware software, each license, and a machine big enough to run the disparate servers, you aren't saving any money. I know, I did a cost/benefit analysis of it for wor.
Have you seen the "minimum system requirements" for recent versions of Windows? You'd practically have to have a Cray to run multiple instances!
As far as your cost/benefit analysis, it depends greatly on what type of applications you are testing and whether they are CPU bound or I/O bound. It may not have been worth it for your specific case, but it could provide a tremendous value to someone with different requirements.
If you are running 50 instances of NT Server on a single box, how many NT licenses do you need?
I suppose that depends on whether it's licensed per running instance, or per CPU. I know Solaris is licensed per CPU so you can run multiple instances with a single license.
You couldn't pay me enough to get near an NT machine so I really don't know.;-)
Is there something wrong with someone standing up for principles? I think you should be able to buy hardware without buying software (and iBooks don't accomplish this) , regardless of how little it turns out to be when you work out the math. I'm told that MS makes most of their windows-license money from new PC's, so it certainly is not an insignificant amount ($25 is much less than I have heard from other sources)
Agreed. I'll bet that whoever said "Just pay the $25 bucks" hasnt donated $25 to the EFF or the FSF. I donate more than that per month to those causes.
There should be a trend here that when any self respecting slashdot geek has to donate to (i.e. purchase from) an evil empire (e.g. microsoft), that he/she donate an equal or greater amount to the EFF or FSF at that time also. You know, just to help maintain balance in the universe. or something.
21. A system as recited in claim 19, wherein male person inserts a penis into the female person. The female person's insertion point (herein referred as "vagina") shall accumulate the male person's semen until such time as the male person has entered the completion phase. This completion phase is what enables the spawning of child persons.
Now who filed for this patent? I claim prior art!!
If the EULA states that you may return the software to the retailer, then CompUSA is at fault.
CompUSA is selling you the "contract" along with the software that clearly says you may return it to the retailer. Seems like CompUSA is violating the agreement if they do not honor the return.
If CompUSA agree with the licensing terms, then they are not permitted to sell the software. Plain and simple.
I'm not a minor but I completely agree. The EULA should become null and void if entered into by a minor, particularly if said minor was not permitted to view the license before making the purchase.
If you disagree with the EULA, you can't even sell the software on E-bay. If you try, E-bay will promptly remove your listing. I tried to sell an old unused Windows 95 CD on E-bay, once, and it was removed within 12 hours.
But why then can you buy/sell Apple MacOS CD's on ebay?? There are tons of listings and I just received my MacOS 8.6 that I bought.
Would posting it to a website be sufficient? That would require web access to read the license your buying prior to your buying it? That would be especially difficult to do if you are purchasing an OS to enable you to get web access in the first place.
Or if you are buying a computer that will be a stand-alone, or will not be placed on a public network.
Example: The PC in my garage which contains my automotive factory repair manuals in electronic form, as well as diagnostic software.
I used to use Ethereal to sniff my whole dorm's AIM traffic in real time.
When I was in a dorm back in '97, I had a great little "tool" called boink. It would administer, with surgical precision, the "ping of death" to any Wintel machine of my choosing. When someone really pissed me off, I would wait until about 2am when they were almost finished writing that 20 page paper before I sent it down the wire!
For those of you who don't remember, or are too young to remember, the "ping of death" was basically a malformed ping that would cause any Wintel (including Server!) to instantly BSOD and completely lock up. Everyone's PC had a Windows Share name that was their own name - very easy to identify who's pc was who's on the lan. Plus Samba gives me the IP of any windows share computer... you get the idea.
It took M$ a very long time to release a fix and I enjoyed every boinkin' minute. Didn't make many friends tho;-)
At the rate some schools are going all those computers will turn into nothing more then a complicated Cable TV system attached to a word processor.
This is exactly what some of the K12 schools are looking for. They want something that can be used to facilitate the writing of papers, the display of educational multimedia bits, and then with complete monitoring/supervision, maybe teach a bit about the general computing and the internet.
Plus I'm sure there's a whole different set of rules when there are minors in the school vs. a college or university.
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why would you want to do this? By the time you pay for the vmware software, each license, and a machine big enough to run the disparate servers, you aren't saving any money. I know, I did a cost/benefit analysis of it for wor.
Have you seen the "minimum system requirements" for recent versions of Windows? You'd practically have to have a Cray to run multiple instances!
As far as your cost/benefit analysis, it depends greatly on what type of applications you are testing and whether they are CPU bound or I/O bound. It may not have been worth it for your specific case, but it could provide a tremendous value to someone with different requirements.
If you are running 50 instances of NT Server on a single box, how many NT licenses do you need?
;-)
I suppose that depends on whether it's licensed per running instance, or per CPU. I know Solaris is licensed per CPU so you can run multiple instances with a single license.
You couldn't pay me enough to get near an NT machine so I really don't know.
Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!
As stupid as this sounds, virtual machines a la VMware are an inexpensive way to test / debug clustering software, including beowulf.
Just pay the extra $25 dollars.
Is there something wrong with someone standing up for principles? I think you should be able to buy hardware without buying software (and iBooks don't accomplish this) , regardless of how little it turns out to be when you work out the math. I'm told that MS makes most of their windows-license money from new PC's, so it certainly is not an insignificant amount ($25 is much less than I have heard from other sources)
Agreed. I'll bet that whoever said "Just pay the $25 bucks" hasnt donated $25 to the EFF or the FSF. I donate more than that per month to those causes.
There should be a trend here that when any self respecting slashdot geek has to donate to (i.e. purchase from) an evil empire (e.g. microsoft), that he/she donate an equal or greater amount to the EFF or FSF at that time also. You know, just to help maintain balance in the universe. or something.
In all seriousness, have you considered the possibility that you're just an idiot?
Of course he is. I mean, who sends a keyboard question to "Ask Slashdot"?
I'd have a pr0n key.
;-)
Hey, they have "email" and "web" keys on consumer PC's... why not?
Crack Linux with Linux Boot Floppy (or boot CD!)...
Stay tuned for more details!
640x480, 400mhz, 64mb ram... This thing is a lot faster than my first desktop PC was!!
;-(
Costs almost as much though
21. A system as recited in claim 19, wherein male person inserts a penis into the female person. The female person's insertion point (herein referred as "vagina") shall accumulate the male person's semen until such time as the male person has entered the completion phase. This completion phase is what enables the spawning of child persons.
Now who filed for this patent? I claim prior art!!
Like Clippy?
.NET compatible?
Him too, although I was thinking more along the lines of "Microsoft Bob"
Anyone know if "Microsoft Bob" will be
Didn't they invent Al Gore also?
.NET
No, I think he invented
Where should we send the check?
You can PayPal it to bill.gates@microsoft.com
Or you can go to CompUSA and plunk $579 on Office XP Professional. It all ends up in the same place.
And here I thought .NET was a code obfuscation project!
What's preventing users from transcoding the audio file into another format which doesn't have this serial number "feature"?
If the EULA states that you may return the software to the retailer, then CompUSA is at fault.
CompUSA is selling you the "contract" along with the software that clearly says you may return it to the retailer. Seems like CompUSA is violating the agreement if they do not honor the return.
If CompUSA agree with the licensing terms, then they are not permitted to sell the software. Plain and simple.
I'm not a minor but I completely agree. The EULA should become null and void if entered into by a minor, particularly if said minor was not permitted to view the license before making the purchase.
If you disagree with the EULA, you can't even sell the software on E-bay. If you try, E-bay will promptly remove your listing. I tried to sell an old unused Windows 95 CD on E-bay, once, and it was removed within 12 hours.
But why then can you buy/sell Apple MacOS CD's on ebay?? There are tons of listings and I just received my MacOS 8.6 that I bought.
Would posting it to a website be sufficient? That would require web access to read the license your buying prior to your buying it? That would be especially difficult to do if you are purchasing an OS to enable you to get web access in the first place.
Or if you are buying a computer that will be a stand-alone, or will not be placed on a public network.
Example: The PC in my garage which contains my automotive factory repair manuals in electronic form, as well as diagnostic software.
Bush STOLE the presidency, fair & square.
You are mistaken my friend. Gore lost (Thank God Almighty) fair and square.
The system worked exactly as it was supposed to with the exception of the elderly/confused/stupid citizens of Florida.
An even better approach: Impeach Ramsey Clark for being an idiot.
Yeah you fucking newbie! Shutup and sit in the corner!
I hope he doesn't do his laundry in there too..
So you mean some Jolt cola and the flowers I made from cat5 and heatsinks are a bad idea?
I used to use Ethereal to sniff my whole dorm's AIM traffic in real time.
;-)
When I was in a dorm back in '97, I had a great little "tool" called boink. It would administer, with surgical precision, the "ping of death" to any Wintel machine of my choosing. When someone really pissed me off, I would wait until about 2am when they were almost finished writing that 20 page paper before I sent it down the wire!
For those of you who don't remember, or are too young to remember, the "ping of death" was basically a malformed ping that would cause any Wintel (including Server!) to instantly BSOD and completely lock up. Everyone's PC had a Windows Share name that was their own name - very easy to identify who's pc was who's on the lan. Plus Samba gives me the IP of any windows share computer... you get the idea.
It took M$ a very long time to release a fix and I enjoyed every boinkin' minute. Didn't make many friends tho
At the rate some schools are going all those computers will turn into nothing more then a complicated Cable TV system attached to a word processor.
This is exactly what some of the K12 schools are looking for. They want something that can be used to facilitate the writing of papers, the display of educational multimedia bits, and then with complete monitoring/supervision, maybe teach a bit about the general computing and the internet.
Plus I'm sure there's a whole different set of rules when there are minors in the school vs. a college or university.