You're enitrely correct in that "good" programs behave. This thread, however, was discussing software written by developers that don't understand proper behaviour, and as such would break under a locked down, limited access account.
I don't see why they can't lock it down firewall-style. When XYZ application runs and tries to hit a reserved directory or section of the registry, popup a window saying so and ask if you want to allow it.
You might not even need the popup. My firewall on a couple of machines has a database it can go out to search and see if this application is "known" and should have access.
It might be less secure than a total limited-account-lockdown, but it would be better than nothing. In fact, I think the latest version of ZoneAlarm already has this sort of "inner firewall".
"Which is precisely why labor unions need a stronger presence in the United States."
Or not. GM just closed a plant in NJ and laid off 8,000 workers who were "suprised" at the move. Officials, however, were quoted as saying, "It was not a suprise. We told the union reps again and again that the plant wasn't competitive, that it was losing money, and that they could not keep demanding wage increases and more benefits for less work. Due to competition, we can't charge more money for these parts, and no company can continually operate a business at a loss."
Somehow people think that dollars just magically appear, and that they're entitled to more and more of them.
"You're coming (presumably) from a number of years ago, when there was the expectation of a single career arc, reward for your loyalty and a job for life."
Hardly. And I'm not talking about loyalty, but enlightened self-interest.
It's in your best interests to go that extra mile. If you don't stay competitive, then your job will fall to someone who does. If your company fails to stay competitive, then it, and your job, again will again fall to someone that does.
GM just closed a plant in NJ and laid off 8,000 workers who were "suprised" at the move. Officials, however, were quoted as saying, "It was not a suprise. We told the workers again and again that the plant wasn't competitive, that it was losing money, and that they could not keep demanding wage increases and more benefits for less work. No company can continually operate at a loss."
As India and China come into the mainsteam, the number of people who want to do and can do your job is increasing almost geometrically. The internet is giving them the access to do so. And unfortunately, their cost-of-living lets them do it for less money. Should you be worried?
And personally, I think the consumer is as much to blame as the corps. Consumers demand and flock towards cheaper goods. Company "A" opens a plant in China and can now sell the same goods 30% cheaper. People buy them. What really, when you think about it, does company "B" do now when they start losing sales? Go out of business? Or do the same and reduce their costs to match?
"Sure they probably won't rip DVDs but how many care."
Actually, if you had a good DRM system it could rip the DVD, sign it, and let me play it on any of my authorized players (computers, pods) in the same fashion that any downloaded itune can play on my computers/pods.
As long as I can't rip it and mail it to 5,000 of my closest friends, they'd probably let you do it, much as they let you rip any cd you own now.
Unfortuately, most of the younger generation here in the US seem to feel they're entitled to a paycheck just for heroically climbing out of bed each morning and showing up at work.
But in a world where more and more jobs can be done just as easily from across the globe as from your desk, that attitude just isn't going to fly.
Today's employees, and employers, for that matter, need to figure out how they're going to out-perform, out-think, and out-hussle the competition.
There are quite literally billions of people out there who would love to have your job, and who would be willing to do it for a fraction of what you cost. And would be quite happy watching the fat pampered American starve for a change.
The US is in an economic war that, given most of the attitudes I see today towards education and work, we're going to lose.
It's your choice to work for a company that mandates "included" overtime as a salaried employee and it's also your choice to remember that your...
...job could probably be done equally well by someone overseas who would love to have ANY job.
Once again, we have a discussion focused primarily on "my rights", without any discussion whatsoever of your resposibilities to, and as a representitive of, your employer.
The problem is that they're not just producing junk.
If all of it were junk, not worth listening to, and had no value, then hundreds of thousands of people would not spend the time needed to find it, copy it, and listen to it.
On the flip side. I've purchased some 160 individual tracks from iTunes on the past year. The prior year, I bought maybe 3 CDs. That has to be beefing up their margins somehow, and the smartest thing they ever did was to start selling "singles" again...
Not many people go out of the way to copy a rented dvd or tape because it is to easy and cheap just to rent it again and let someone else store it.
Mostly because they majority of them can't. Tapes are protected with Macrovision, and DVDs likewise, so you can't just run a copy off to tape. Plus few people have multi-layer DVD recorders, nor the software to rip them.
People actually copied commercial VHS tapes all the time until Macrovision was introduced. After that, you needed special hardware to do it, and VHS tape sales went way down for some odd reason.
Sorry, the UK is really America's largest nuclear aircraft carrier. "The UK currently has 33 operating reactors which provide 26% of the electricity in the UK." source
Let's say that you spend $100 gathering materials and bake bread. Let's say that I spend $100 gathering information, and write a book.
Why is it that you are allowed to sell your bread, but I am apparently not allowed to sell my book?
Why can you steal and enjoy my book because you don't like my price, but I can't steal and enjoy your bread because I don't like your price? Remember, both have the same upfront costs.
Answer this one if none of the above: Why you so special that you are automatically entitled to the results of my work?
And out of curiosity, what happens if they pull on it and yank it (most of it) out? I assume that "gap filler" is there to fill gaps. What happens to airflow and heating when there's a gap and no filler?
I suppose I'm supposed to go around reading aloud the book I wrote in the hopes people will pay me for that. And of course, the entire cast of The Matrix will need to put on a play or three in order to get paid.
BS. The fact is that the "information wants to be free" crowd is nothing more than a bunch of cheap parasites who'd steal whatever it is that isn't locked down, and that they think they could get away with. They are, after all, "entitled" to it.
Information is not free. Information doesn't just magically appear out of thin air. Information takes time, talent, effort, and dollars to create. It requires an investment. Our constitution recognizes that fact.
And until food is free, housing is free, medicine is free, education is free, transportation is free, and so on, most information (books, movies, games, software, music) is NOT going to be free.
Sure, some people may have other jobs and can afford to give their work away for nothing, but by and large this is not some Star Trekian uptopia.
Bullshit. Books, music, movies, games, and so on are not necessities, and you are in no way, shape, or form "forced" to buy them at any price. You are completely free to decide they aren't worth it, and vote with(out) your dollars.
You are in fact free to go to the library, listen to the radio, watch television, rent a disc from Blockbuster, and play chess (or checkers in your case). You are also free to create your own works (if possible), and you're also free to seek out alternatives from people willing to give their work away for free, if that's their choice.
The point you seem unwilling or unable to grasp is that all of this stuff requires an unfront investment in time, talent, energy, and dollars that needs to be recouped, and no one is going to make that investment if they're unable to do so and if their market decides en masse to steal their work the second it's released. Just because the first disc costs a buck, and the second costs a buck, doesn't mean that it didn't take $100 million to produce.
Such work is the property of those who create it, and their property rights, and their wishes, should be respected. Just as I (probably) would respect yours if you wrote some software and released it under the GPL.
Society would be much healthier if more people respected the rights of others, and worried more about their responsibilities than whatever it is they think they're entitled to today.
If they fix a bunch of the box-model issues AND implement child selectors, then most of the existing hacks will still work. Most recommended techniques used the hacked value first, then used child selectors to pass the correct values to smarter, more compliant browsers...
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You're enitrely correct in that "good" programs behave. This thread, however, was discussing software written by developers that don't understand proper behaviour, and as such would break under a locked down, limited access account.
You might not even need the popup. My firewall on a couple of machines has a database it can go out to search and see if this application is "known" and should have access.
It might be less secure than a total limited-account-lockdown, but it would be better than nothing. In fact, I think the latest version of ZoneAlarm already has this sort of "inner firewall".
Sure. "Verizon wants is in attempts to purchase MCI. Got it in a postcard from the state regulators yesterday..."
I don't know, but stay away from my company....
Or not. GM just closed a plant in NJ and laid off 8,000 workers who were "suprised" at the move. Officials, however, were quoted as saying, "It was not a suprise. We told the union reps again and again that the plant wasn't competitive, that it was losing money, and that they could not keep demanding wage increases and more benefits for less work. Due to competition, we can't charge more money for these parts, and no company can continually operate a business at a loss."
Somehow people think that dollars just magically appear, and that they're entitled to more and more of them.
Hardly. And I'm not talking about loyalty, but enlightened self-interest.
It's in your best interests to go that extra mile. If you don't stay competitive, then your job will fall to someone who does. If your company fails to stay competitive, then it, and your job, again will again fall to someone that does.
GM just closed a plant in NJ and laid off 8,000 workers who were "suprised" at the move. Officials, however, were quoted as saying, "It was not a suprise. We told the workers again and again that the plant wasn't competitive, that it was losing money, and that they could not keep demanding wage increases and more benefits for less work. No company can continually operate at a loss."
As India and China come into the mainsteam, the number of people who want to do and can do your job is increasing almost geometrically. The internet is giving them the access to do so. And unfortunately, their cost-of-living lets them do it for less money. Should you be worried?
And personally, I think the consumer is as much to blame as the corps. Consumers demand and flock towards cheaper goods. Company "A" opens a plant in China and can now sell the same goods 30% cheaper. People buy them. What really, when you think about it, does company "B" do now when they start losing sales? Go out of business? Or do the same and reduce their costs to match?
Actually, if you had a good DRM system it could rip the DVD, sign it, and let me play it on any of my authorized players (computers, pods) in the same fashion that any downloaded itune can play on my computers/pods.
As long as I can't rip it and mail it to 5,000 of my closest friends, they'd probably let you do it, much as they let you rip any cd you own now.
Unfortuately, most of the younger generation here in the US seem to feel they're entitled to a paycheck just for heroically climbing out of bed each morning and showing up at work.
But in a world where more and more jobs can be done just as easily from across the globe as from your desk, that attitude just isn't going to fly.
Today's employees, and employers, for that matter, need to figure out how they're going to out-perform, out-think, and out-hussle the competition.
There are quite literally billions of people out there who would love to have your job, and who would be willing to do it for a fraction of what you cost. And would be quite happy watching the fat pampered American starve for a change.
The US is in an economic war that, given most of the attitudes I see today towards education and work, we're going to lose.
Once again, we have a discussion focused primarily on "my rights", without any discussion whatsoever of your resposibilities to, and as a representitive of, your employer.
A media type is a media type...
Gotta learn to use that Preview button.
I think he's talking about hot atmospheric plasma leaking in the gaps formerly occupied by the filer...
Sorry if I was unclear. After the introduction of Macrovision, VHS blank tape sales declined.
Just so.
If all of it were junk, not worth listening to, and had no value, then hundreds of thousands of people would not spend the time needed to find it, copy it, and listen to it.
Since they do...
On the flip side. I've purchased some 160 individual tracks from iTunes on the past year. The prior year, I bought maybe 3 CDs. That has to be beefing up their margins somehow, and the smartest thing they ever did was to start selling "singles" again...
Mostly because they majority of them can't. Tapes are protected with Macrovision, and DVDs likewise, so you can't just run a copy off to tape. Plus few people have multi-layer DVD recorders, nor the software to rip them.
People actually copied commercial VHS tapes all the time until Macrovision was introduced. After that, you needed special hardware to do it, and VHS tape sales went way down for some odd reason.
Sorry, the UK is really America's largest nuclear aircraft carrier. "The UK currently has 33 operating reactors which provide 26% of the electricity in the UK." source
Why is it that you are allowed to sell your bread, but I am apparently not allowed to sell my book?
Why can you steal and enjoy my book because you don't like my price, but I can't steal and enjoy your bread because I don't like your price? Remember, both have the same upfront costs.
Answer this one if none of the above: Why you so special that you are automatically entitled to the results of my work?
Yeah, Netscape really had it nailed...
And out of curiosity, what happens if they pull on it and yank it (most of it) out? I assume that "gap filler" is there to fill gaps. What happens to airflow and heating when there's a gap and no filler?
BS. The fact is that the "information wants to be free" crowd is nothing more than a bunch of cheap parasites who'd steal whatever it is that isn't locked down, and that they think they could get away with. They are, after all, "entitled" to it.
Information is not free. Information doesn't just magically appear out of thin air. Information takes time, talent, effort, and dollars to create. It requires an investment. Our constitution recognizes that fact.
And until food is free, housing is free, medicine is free, education is free, transportation is free, and so on, most information (books, movies, games, software, music) is NOT going to be free.
Sure, some people may have other jobs and can afford to give their work away for nothing, but by and large this is not some Star Trekian uptopia.
Recognize that fact. Deal with it.
You are in fact free to go to the library, listen to the radio, watch television, rent a disc from Blockbuster, and play chess (or checkers in your case). You are also free to create your own works (if possible), and you're also free to seek out alternatives from people willing to give their work away for free, if that's their choice.
The point you seem unwilling or unable to grasp is that all of this stuff requires an unfront investment in time, talent, energy, and dollars that needs to be recouped, and no one is going to make that investment if they're unable to do so and if their market decides en masse to steal their work the second it's released. Just because the first disc costs a buck, and the second costs a buck, doesn't mean that it didn't take $100 million to produce.
Such work is the property of those who create it, and their property rights, and their wishes, should be respected. Just as I (probably) would respect yours if you wrote some software and released it under the GPL.
Society would be much healthier if more people respected the rights of others, and worried more about their responsibilities than whatever it is they think they're entitled to today.
If they fix a bunch of the box-model issues AND implement child selectors, then most of the existing hacks will still work. Most recommended techniques used the hacked value first, then used child selectors to pass the correct values to smarter, more compliant browsers...
Sounds good. Let's see the code.