Er, I think that the stuff that was built before that already have floppy drives.
Yup, but on the one hand we have old hardware with floppy drives, and on the other new machines without them, but with no valid replacement either.
My point is, if you stick a floppy drive in a new machine, even if it's not used 99% of the time, you still only need a boot floppy for any given machine. If you don't have a floppy drive on the new machine until Boot-by-USB works in some standard way...
To get an unjust law thrown out, you must break that law and be punished or face the threat of punishment.
Yup, but to get an unjust law thrown out, you first need to have it thrown IN, and the 'law' allowing DoS attacks is not a law yet.
So, what did they do? They broke an existing, good law (whichever one makes DoS attacks currently illegal) in an attempt to stop people passing a bad one... or something.
I'm not really passing judgement, I think the riaa deserves whatever it gets, legal or illegal, but this is not yet the same thing as civil disobedience. It's more like breaking the law to get attention.
If (when? there's not usually any uncertainty when you purchase things, even laws...) the riaa's plans come to pass, and this travesty is made a law, THEN it'll be civil disobedience, and I for one can't wait to see it. It should be damned amusing.
You can't LOSE money that was never going to be PAID to you. 'Losses' to piracy are fictional numbers, pulled with great care from some executives arse. You can even see the ridiculous methods the BSA use to ESTIMATE the effects of piracy.
With your logic I can simply steal all your cash and just give back the actual value of the paper and ink used to print it
Umm, no, with his logic, you are perfectly entitled to take a photograph of all his money. What you describe is STEALING, and he was attempting to point out that CREATING A COPY is not the same thing.
Stealing a physical product is what makes it stealing. Taking a copy of data that you are not licensed to copy is copyright infringement. It's really very simple.
If I walk into a software store, grab a box and run away, I have committed theft. I have stolen physical property that the store owner can no longer sell, and has likely paid for. He has lost his investment in the software.
However, if I walk into a store and make a duplicate of an original CD, put the original back in the box, and walk away with my copy, I have NOT deprived anyone of any physical property. The store owner still has what he paid for, he can still sell it, and the data has not been degraded in any way by the duplication.
This is why the two crimes are separate. One affects the store owner directly, and one affects the copyright holder indirectly, with varying degrees of harm.
Thanks for asking, most people who reply to my sig usually try to twist it as an insult towards me.
Heh, well, sitting at the bottom of an argumentative post, it could be interpreted as PART of the post, and thus an attack... I wouldn't be surprised if you've seen many incoherent responses =D
I thought it was a general statement (you see examples taken to extremes an awful lot on slashdot), so I was curious whether there was some kind of backup argument for it;)
606208 / 512 = better than best case transfer: 1184 seconds, or roughly 20 minutes.
Ripping and encoding a single CD takes all of ten minutes, and since the major bottleneck while ripping is the CD drive speed, you have processor time left over to be encoding the tracks while it rips. I know there are better connections than 512k in the US, but I doubt they're the status quo. So 10 minutes per CD, where you can potentially buy or rent multiple CDs, or a 20 minute download, per CD, if you get close to top speed?
No, I think it's much much more practical to rip the CDs.
For the record, you can turn a linux box into a background-ripping machine with the right software... I had my machine set up to look up CDDB (or freeddb? I forget) for any CD stuck in the drive... if it identified as an audio CD, it started ripping immediately, and queued the tracks for MP3 compression at 192kbps. This was for the purposes of MP3'ing my existing CD collection.
They don't want you buying games from Japan and playing them in the US.
Who gives a fuck what Sony want? It's my life, my body, my console, and my money. The Japanese game makers are happy enough to hand me a black cd when I hand them a bunch of cash, and that's the end of the story.
"Use your PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system according to the instruction in this manual. No authorization for the analysis or modification of the PlayStation®2 console nor the analysis and use of its circuit configurations is provided herein."
This is just text in a book. I did not sign any agreement with Sony when I bought my console, I paid cash and received a hardware box. This box is now MINE. Sony has no part of it. They may have intellectual property inside the box, but I am not stealing this in any way.
They are allowed to say what they like, and I am allowed to ignore their bullshit.
Yeah, I'm all for backing up software, but if you call the manufacturer they will often send you a replacement if you send back the original damaged disc.
Not good enough.
a) "will often send" is not the same as "will always replace"
b) Not everyone lives in the same country
c) You don't always have access to the post-damage disc.
Those serious about playing import discs buy import consoles as well.
Oh yeah, the rich elite are entitled to play games from Japan, but the poor guy who can only afford one console and a $40 chip? Fuck him. He's not SERIOUS about his hobby.
You have the right to record anything you are sent. PERIOD.
I thought you weren't allowed to record a phone conversation?
Obviously, it's not the same as a broadcasted signal, but it's still effectively data being transmitted to you that you are not entitled to record... without permission anyway.
How is that a flaw in his argument?
DVR's have legitimate legal uses, whereas guns don't, so the idea of dealing with criminals instead of trying to prevent criminality by assuming everyone is a pirate... is flawed how?
[paraphrasing, not claiming there is no valid legal use for a gun]
If the argument works for guns (people commit crimes, not guns), how can it NOT work for a less lethal object? (people commit crimes, not their hardware) It's the same thing, regardless of the lethality of the object.
Besides that, a gun is not SOLELY designed to kill... I'm sure the designers planned for maiming and incapacitation too;)
Amusing that they make a TV show about what happens if you stop watching TV... I guess most viewers aren't active enough to find out for themselves!
Coming up next: A TV show about what happens to people who switch off halfway through a show. Stay tuned!
Why do TV programs generally suck ass? Because they're trying to attract a specific segment of the population that will eat up whatever blinks on their screens.
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Er, I think that the stuff that was built before that already have floppy drives.
Yup, but on the one hand we have old hardware with floppy drives, and on the other new machines without them, but with no valid replacement either.
My point is, if you stick a floppy drive in a new machine, even if it's not used 99% of the time, you still only need a boot floppy for any given machine. If you don't have a floppy drive on the new machine until Boot-by-USB works in some standard way...
To get an unjust law thrown out, you must break that law and be punished or face the threat of punishment.
Yup, but to get an unjust law thrown out, you first need to have it thrown IN, and the 'law' allowing DoS attacks is not a law yet.
So, what did they do? They broke an existing, good law (whichever one makes DoS attacks currently illegal) in an attempt to stop people passing a bad one... or something.
I'm not really passing judgement, I think the riaa deserves whatever it gets, legal or illegal, but this is not yet the same thing as civil disobedience. It's more like breaking the law to get attention.
If (when? there's not usually any uncertainty when you purchase things, even laws...) the riaa's plans come to pass, and this travesty is made a law, THEN it'll be civil disobedience, and I for one can't wait to see it. It should be damned amusing.
Yep, those things are fucking great... ...but if you can't boot off it, it's still not a replacement for a floppy.
How many machines offer 'boot off randomly chosen USB storage device' in the BIOS?
and you don't have to install a huge chunk of hardware into every machine in case one of them needs it.
That's all good, as long as you're only working with hardware from the last few years. But there's a whole lotta hardware that was built before that.
btw, I forgot to mention I know almost nothing and I'm just talkin out of me arse
Hey look, a generic slashdot sig line!
Actually, it is spelt the way you pronounce it.
People who say ree diculous are mispronouncing the word.
You can't LOSE money that was never going to be PAID to you. 'Losses' to piracy are fictional numbers, pulled with great care from some executives arse. You can even see the ridiculous methods the BSA use to ESTIMATE the effects of piracy.
With your logic I can simply steal all your cash and just give back the actual value of the paper and ink used to print it
Umm, no, with his logic, you are perfectly entitled to take a photograph of all his money.
What you describe is STEALING, and he was attempting to point out that CREATING A COPY is not the same thing.
Stealing a physical product is what makes it stealing. Taking a copy of data that you are not licensed to copy is copyright infringement. It's really very simple.
If I walk into a software store, grab a box and run away, I have committed theft. I have stolen physical property that the store owner can no longer sell, and has likely paid for. He has lost his investment in the software.
However, if I walk into a store and make a duplicate of an original CD, put the original back in the box, and walk away with my copy, I have NOT deprived anyone of any physical property. The store owner still has what he paid for, he can still sell it, and the data has not been degraded in any way by the duplication.
This is why the two crimes are separate. One affects the store owner directly, and one affects the copyright holder indirectly, with varying degrees of harm.
Thanks for asking, most people who reply to my sig usually try to twist it as an insult towards me.
;)
Heh, well, sitting at the bottom of an argumentative post, it could be interpreted as PART of the post, and thus an attack... I wouldn't be surprised if you've seen many incoherent responses =D
I thought it was a general statement (you see examples taken to extremes an awful lot on slashdot), so I was curious whether there was some kind of backup argument for it
(borrowing, or buying & returning, lots of CDs to rip is just not as practical).
You reckon? If I assume a 512kbps connection (better than most available in my country)
CD = 74 minutes ~= 74Mb MP3'd
74Mb * 1024 = 75776 Kbytes * 8 = 606208 kbits
606208 / 512 = better than best case transfer: 1184 seconds, or roughly 20 minutes.
Ripping and encoding a single CD takes all of ten minutes, and since the major bottleneck while
ripping is the CD drive speed, you have processor time left over to be encoding the tracks while
it rips. I know there are better connections than 512k in the US, but I doubt they're the status quo. So 10 minutes per CD, where you can potentially buy or rent multiple CDs, or a 20 minute download, per CD, if you get close to top speed?
No, I think it's much much more practical to rip the CDs.
For the record, you can turn a linux box into a background-ripping machine with the right software... I had my machine set up to look up CDDB (or freeddb? I forget) for any CD stuck in the drive... if it identified as an audio CD, it started ripping immediately, and queued the tracks for MP3 compression at 192kbps. This was for the purposes of MP3'ing my existing CD collection.
Do you have a webpage you will be posting followup information on?
I'd like to see any response Sony has to this.
They don't want you buying games from Japan and playing them in the US.
Who gives a fuck what Sony want? It's my life, my body, my console, and my money. The Japanese game makers are happy enough to hand me a black cd when I hand them a bunch of cash, and that's the end of the story.
"Use your PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system according to the instruction in this manual. No authorization for the analysis or modification of the PlayStation®2 console nor the analysis and use of its circuit configurations is provided herein."
This is just text in a book. I did not sign any agreement with Sony when I bought my console, I paid cash and received a hardware box. This box is now MINE. Sony has no part of it. They may have intellectual property inside the box, but I am not stealing this in any way.
They are allowed to say what they like, and I am allowed to ignore their bullshit.
Yeah, I'm all for backing up software, but if you call the manufacturer they will often send you a replacement if you send back the original damaged disc.
Not good enough.
a) "will often send" is not the same as "will always replace"
b) Not everyone lives in the same country
c) You don't always have access to the post-damage disc.
Those serious about playing import discs buy import consoles as well.
Oh yeah, the rich elite are entitled to play games from Japan, but the poor guy who can only afford one console and a $40 chip? Fuck him. He's not SERIOUS about his hobby.
What?
I mean, you're not wrong, but you're not relevant either. What was your point?
touch her, finger her, mount her, sleep();
touch applies to files
finger applies to users
mounting applies to filesystems
Bigamy!
It's not a Play/Station 2, it's a PlayStation 2.
;)
PS2 will do fine, P/S2 looks silly, like you can't spell PS/2 or something
Using unrealistic extremes to make an idea sound moronic makes you a shithead. Think first.
Offtopic, but how do you determine an unrealistic extreme? I'm sure nearly all extremes SOUND unrealistic... how do you spot one that really is?
I mean, I think it's unrealistic to have a law passed that bans people from using their own computers... but that doesn't mean it wont happen.
If it's designed for third world consumption, then...
It'll be cheap!
It solves the geek/exercise problem quite nicely... I don't exercise because it takes too long, and I can't do much else simultaneously.
But if pedalling a bike is the only thing that keeps my computer running...
You have the right to record anything you are sent. PERIOD.
I thought you weren't allowed to record a phone conversation?
Obviously, it's not the same as a broadcasted signal, but it's still effectively data being transmitted to you that you are not entitled to record... without permission anyway.
How is that a flaw in his argument? DVR's have legitimate legal uses, whereas guns don't, so the idea of dealing with criminals instead of trying to prevent criminality by assuming everyone is a pirate... is flawed how? [paraphrasing, not claiming there is no valid legal use for a gun] If the argument works for guns (people commit crimes, not guns), how can it NOT work for a less lethal object? (people commit crimes, not their hardware) It's the same thing, regardless of the lethality of the object. Besides that, a gun is not SOLELY designed to kill... I'm sure the designers planned for maiming and incapacitation too ;)
You've actually had people get ANGRY at you for not watching TV?
That's fucked up. The worst I've ever seen is blank incomprehension, and most people just sort of go "meehhhh" and forget it.
The blank incomprehension was funny though...
"Didja see Friends last night?"
"I don't watch TV"
"...*clunk* *clunk* *clunk* Parse Error - must've said "don't watch friends"... Didja see Home Improvement then?"
Amusing that they make a TV show about what happens if you stop watching TV... I guess most viewers aren't active enough to find out for themselves! Coming up next: A TV show about what happens to people who switch off halfway through a show. Stay tuned!
Advertisers REALLY want to target that audience.
It's all so clear to me now...
Why do TV programs generally suck ass?
Because they're trying to attract a specific segment of the population that will eat up whatever blinks on their screens.
Television == Monitor for games consoles.
or if we had, we'd never have recognized one another.
:P~
Holy shit! You mean if you hadn't met each other before you met each other, you wouldn't recognize one another?
Excuse me, I need to pick my jaw up off the floor...
Let's go back to how beautiful she is on the inside... got a photo?