I certainly understand that, but perhaps going being incommunicado for two hours is an appropriate consequence for going to the movie without taking the kids along?
Are you a parent? how old are they?
I'm sorry but some of us have kids which have a much higher likelihood of having an issue (sever allergies in my case). So long as I put my phone on vibrate what does it matter to you or other movie goers if I have an emergency at home?
It would be no different than the many years before we had cell phones, and millions of Americans were raised just fine under those circumstances.
By that logic why bother getting a car seat? why bother immunizing babies? why bother banning lead paint,......
Ext3 is nothing but ext2 with journaling so if we find a major improvement to hfs between 2000 and now will we call that a new release?
HFS+ is pretty much superior to ext2/3 in every way, so what if apple had it better before ext3 was out.
It is called RealID and one of the functions of the standards is to prevent illegal aliens from obtaining ID, thus allowing law enforcement to better identify citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal aliens.
No it wont it will make it easy for law enforcement to identify people without drivers licenses!
FWIW: The fed cant force you to have a SSN they con only requre that if you work you have one for taxation purposes and nobody save the government has the right to demand your ssn.
So you agree that the current system is broke? How would you fix it without a national database?
The current system is broke because its central! And having one database will not stop fraud it will only make it worse.
What's the problem with having a national ID system?
We have one, its called a passport what the fed cant do is force ID on somebody its unconstitutional.
From the programming/database aspect alone all of us (especially on this site) should recognise the need for a better system.
We should also recognize the difficulty of providing security and privacy once all the data is in one place.
All of my information is currently stored in about 15 different state/federal databases already. What's wrong with putting them in one database and giving me a card to access all of my information?
Depends on whats being done with that information doesn't it?
Are you worried about the federal government having control of that information? do you think they dont already? of course they can...
Of course they can but not some mid level peon in a DC office or some DBA with access to a given database. Privacy is a right!
I actually like the idea of having a social security like ID card that puts all of my state/federal information in one place so our government can keep up with the pace of information these days. But i'm sure that's just flamebait.
Its not flamebait is asinine! SS cards and fraud are rampant what makes you think Real ID would be any more accurate or secure?
They may have attached it to immigration for precedural purposes but it is no secret why they support this bill.
Statement of Administration Policy: H.R. 418 - REAL ID Act of 2005:
"The Administration strongly supports House passage of H.R. 418, to strengthen the ability of the United States to protect against terrorist entry into and activities within the United States. In particular, the legislation tightens procedures for non-citizen entry into and presence in the United States, facilitates the building of physical barriers where appropriate to protect U.S. borders, and facilitates the strengthening by the States of the standards for the security and integrity of drivers' licenses."
"The Administration will also work with Congress to consider biometric screening of individuals who cannot otherwise satisfactorily demonstrate citizenship or lawful immigration status. Biometric screening, which is applied to most entering classes of aliens through the US-VISIT program, would be a valuable tool in identifying possible links to terrorism."
However, regulation of immigration is in the federal governments purview, per Article 1 section 8 paragraph 4. Coupled with Article 1 section 8 paragraph 18,
Yes that would be why states don't issue green cards. How does that contradict what I said?
"Congress has the right to establish laws concerning national standards for ID cards as it would be a means of identifying citizens, immigrants, and aliens, both legal and illegal, which falls under laws concerning naturalizations (USCONS Art1 Sec 8 Para 4)."
Identify Citizens (Passport), Immigrants (Green Cards), and this license scheme is aimed at citizens not aliens.
Perhaps you should learn the Constitution before trying to interpret it.
Perhaps you should RTA and my opinion before trying to garner what I think about national ID. We have one and its called a passport what section 8 does not say is that the id can be compulsory that is for the courts to decide and it certainly has nothing to do with making states format their ID to match the federal standards.
Yes Civil Liberties cost lives, thats the first correct assertion you have put forward. The first lives were in the revolutionary war. Seems to me to be cowardly to give up those hard fought liberties in the name of security.
My point wasn't to characterize Utah's schools as being of low quality, just to show that your point - that they had money to spend on technology - was unfounded.
Did it ever occur to you the reason UTAH spends less it because the cost of living and average salery in UTAH are incredibally low? You can hire a good IT guy for considerably less in UTAH than in DC
Passports aren't issued by the states... was one of my points. They're universal.
Because they are intended for use with foreign entities. Passports are not a required form of ID to have in the US, only if you wish to travel outside the US.
License plates across the states are the same, and DON'T carry a different format such as european plates.
Again, no they are not!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_license _plates_in_the_United_States) "For example, the small states Delaware and Rhode Island are able to use formats of 123456 and 123-456, respectively, while California uses the seven-character format 1ABC234, and several other populous states use the seven-character ABC-1234 format." and "In some states, information such as county of registration or month of expiration is incorporated into the number. The last number on a Massachusetts license plates indicates the month the bearer's registration expires (1234 AB would expire in April, the fourth month; zero is used for October expirations"
As far as illegal immigrants go, they can still get ID's locally and not be tracked throughout the nation, only locally if THAT. They can also board planes after that point.
Right because our real problem with illegal immigrants is that they fly!
Pick apart everything I say because of your beliefs on fighting the man.
Has nothing to do with an innate distrust of authority but thanks for bringing your straw man to the chat, he might make for better conversation than you are.
Having a unified set of ID's, just like the military, is not a bad idea.
Never said it was a bad idea I said it was unconstitutional. We dont jsut do things because they are, at the time, a good idea. I also said granting power to those who in the future might abuse it is not a good idea either. That the kind of thinking that lets you elist in the military at 18 but not celebrate it with a drink until you're 21.
"Having a unified repository of ID's is something that should have been done to begin with."
Why? the delegation of identification is not, constitutionally, the purview of the federal Government and as such it falls under the 10th amendment. Just because something might be a good idea and might be useful does not mean it should be forced on the states despite clear constitutional roles. The more money and or information you give the federal government the more power you hand them.
They didn't say the changes had to be done tomorrow, and the pros outweigh the cons.
I don't think letting the federal government continue to push unfunded and unconstitutional mandates is any small measure of 'bad'.
Passports are the same throughout the states
Passports are not issued by the states
license plates are the same
No they are not EG California has a format of 1ABC234 and Minnesota has ABC-123
social security numbers are the same
Not issued by the states, they are issued by the fed for federal taxing purposes.
What's the big deal? Who is it hurting?
Evidently the states who have to let the federal government make decisions for them and the force the states to pay for it.
Basically immigrants and those who don't want to be followed by "the man".
Oh yea cause if you don't have anything to hide why would you be against repealing the unlawful search and seizure provisions of the constitution. I am assuming you mean illegal immigrants who don't want to be tracked and if they are already here illegally why in the heck would this stop them.
Don't worry you're not being rude, you're being ignorant. If there were an emergency regarding his kids he might want to be there *despite* the fact his parents can handle it not because they cant. Funny thing about having kids, if they have to go to the hospital (or worse) you kinda want to be there.
My wife and I always put our cell on vibrate and despite the fact our sitter is very competent, and has dealt with medical emergencies in her own family the thought of my daughter going into anaphylactic shock and me not knowing for three hours is kind of disturbing.
Suburban schools in New York spend between 10 and 19 thousand dollars per child, while inner city schools in Utah struggle to meet the $3k mark.
You're right there is a variance but it is down right deceitful of you to tag 'suburban NY' as if to say that inner cities are not spending money. Lets look at DC arguably the worst school system in the nation which spend more than any state (per pupil) except NJ (13K per kid) or NYC, can you get more urban, at nearly fourteen thousand (only 2% less than the state average). UTAH as a whole does not spend much money per pupil at 5K per pupil (least in the nation) so picking out Salt Lake City and your example even bolsters my point. West High in Salt Lake city (the school district you mentioned) is one of the top in the nation
"West High School has been named the top high school in Utah and number 158 in the nation by Newsweek and the Washington Post.
Its not the dollars going into the class its how they are getting used.
some schools can't pay for good IT people much....
The average school in the US spends about 6K per student some of the schools you might consider poor (lets look at DC) spend upwards of twice that. 12K per kid per year that more than double what many elite private schools charge usually only 70% of that (not the kind with ponies and security teams where diplomats send their kids those are in a league of their own).
So when someone says our schools cant afford this or that I have to wonder when a class of 20 kids brings in a quarter million dollars (so a school of 2000 kids has a budget of 24 million dollars why the hell cant they afford it! and why can the private schools who charge 50 to 75% of your budget do what you can not?
And as for the software? its called squid and it does not cost a penny!
"Mr Stallman made perfectly clear that his point of view is: It's enough. It's enough that the world has to pay attention to that [DRM] problem the way the world needed to pay attention to the patent problem 10 years ago," -- Eben Moglen
Lets be clear I dont know who has written more of the GPL3 but its obvious who the driving force is, even Moglen admits that!
GPL3 was a solution looking for a problem. Every time something new happens the roll out the GPL 3 as a solution to stop the Bill gates of the world from co-opting opensource. First its Tivoli and patents when thats not hot enough to get people on board wingo we have the Novell MS deal...
RMS needs to take a bow and let someone else captain this ship maybe with all the time he can get hurd might see some progress..
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For the same reason cigarette companies go after kids, hook em while they are young.
Are you a parent? how old are they?
I'm sorry but some of us have kids which have a much higher likelihood of having an issue (sever allergies in my case). So long as I put my phone on vibrate what does it matter to you or other movie goers if I have an emergency at home?
It would be no different than the many years before we had cell phones, and millions of Americans were raised just fine under those circumstances.
By that logic why bother getting a car seat? why bother immunizing babies? why bother banning lead paint, ......
Ext3 is nothing but ext2 with journaling so if we find a major improvement to hfs between 2000 and now will we call that a new release? HFS+ is pretty much superior to ext2/3 in every way, so what if apple had it better before ext3 was out.
if any of these 'doubters' you talk about are Apple shareholders.
No it wont it will make it easy for law enforcement to identify people without drivers licenses!
So you agree that the current system is broke? How would you fix it without a national database?
The current system is broke because its central! And having one database will not stop fraud it will only make it worse.
We have one, its called a passport what the fed cant do is force ID on somebody its unconstitutional.
From the programming/database aspect alone all of us (especially on this site) should recognise the need for a better system.
We should also recognize the difficulty of providing security and privacy once all the data is in one place.
All of my information is currently stored in about 15 different state/federal databases already. What's wrong with putting them in one database and giving me a card to access all of my information?
Depends on whats being done with that information doesn't it?
Are you worried about the federal government having control of that information? do you think they dont already? of course they can...
Of course they can but not some mid level peon in a DC office or some DBA with access to a given database. Privacy is a right!
I actually like the idea of having a social security like ID card that puts all of my state/federal information in one place so our government can keep up with the pace of information these days. But i'm sure that's just flamebait.
Its not flamebait is asinine! SS cards and fraud are rampant what makes you think Real ID would be any more accurate or secure?
They may have attached it to immigration for precedural purposes but it is no secret why they support this bill. Statement of Administration Policy: H.R. 418 - REAL ID Act of 2005: "The Administration strongly supports House passage of H.R. 418, to strengthen the ability of the United States to protect against terrorist entry into and activities within the United States. In particular, the legislation tightens procedures for non-citizen entry into and presence in the United States, facilitates the building of physical barriers where appropriate to protect U.S. borders, and facilitates the strengthening by the States of the standards for the security and integrity of drivers' licenses." "The Administration will also work with Congress to consider biometric screening of individuals who cannot otherwise satisfactorily demonstrate citizenship or lawful immigration status. Biometric screening, which is applied to most entering classes of aliens through the US-VISIT program, would be a valuable tool in identifying possible links to terrorism."
Thanks I had never heard that one but I agree with the concept whole heartedly.. Its why I am against national health care.
Yes that would be why states don't issue green cards. How does that contradict what I said?
"Congress has the right to establish laws concerning national standards for ID cards as it would be a means of identifying citizens, immigrants, and aliens, both legal and illegal, which falls under laws concerning naturalizations (USCONS Art1 Sec 8 Para 4)."
Identify Citizens (Passport), Immigrants (Green Cards), and this license scheme is aimed at citizens not aliens.
Perhaps you should learn the Constitution before trying to interpret it.
Perhaps you should RTA and my opinion before trying to garner what I think about national ID. We have one and its called a passport what section 8 does not say is that the id can be compulsory that is for the courts to decide and it certainly has nothing to do with making states format their ID to match the federal standards.
Yes Civil Liberties cost lives, thats the first correct assertion you have put forward. The first lives were in the revolutionary war. Seems to me to be cowardly to give up those hard fought liberties in the name of security.
Did it ever occur to you the reason UTAH spends less it because the cost of living and average salery in UTAH are incredibally low? You can hire a good IT guy for considerably less in UTAH than in DC
Because they are intended for use with foreign entities. Passports are not a required form of ID to have in the US, only if you wish to travel outside the US.
License plates across the states are the same, and DON'T carry a different format such as european plates.
Again, no they are not!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_license _plates_in_the_United_States) "For example, the small states Delaware and Rhode Island are able to use formats of 123456 and 123-456, respectively, while California uses the seven-character format 1ABC234, and several other populous states use the seven-character ABC-1234 format." and "In some states, information such as county of registration or month of expiration is incorporated into the number. The last number on a Massachusetts license plates indicates the month the bearer's registration expires (1234 AB would expire in April, the fourth month; zero is used for October expirations"
As far as illegal immigrants go, they can still get ID's locally and not be tracked throughout the nation, only locally if THAT. They can also board planes after that point.
Right because our real problem with illegal immigrants is that they fly!
Pick apart everything I say because of your beliefs on fighting the man.
Has nothing to do with an innate distrust of authority but thanks for bringing your straw man to the chat, he might make for better conversation than you are.
Having a unified set of ID's, just like the military, is not a bad idea.
Never said it was a bad idea I said it was unconstitutional. We dont jsut do things because they are, at the time, a good idea. I also said granting power to those who in the future might abuse it is not a good idea either. That the kind of thinking that lets you elist in the military at 18 but not celebrate it with a drink until you're 21.
Why? the delegation of identification is not, constitutionally, the purview of the federal Government and as such it falls under the 10th amendment. Just because something might be a good idea and might be useful does not mean it should be forced on the states despite clear constitutional roles. The more money and or information you give the federal government the more power you hand them.
They didn't say the changes had to be done tomorrow, and the pros outweigh the cons.
I don't think letting the federal government continue to push unfunded and unconstitutional mandates is any small measure of 'bad'.
Passports are the same throughout the states
Passports are not issued by the states
license plates are the same
No they are not EG California has a format of 1ABC234 and Minnesota has ABC-123
social security numbers are the same
Not issued by the states, they are issued by the fed for federal taxing purposes.
What's the big deal? Who is it hurting?
Evidently the states who have to let the federal government make decisions for them and the force the states to pay for it.
Basically immigrants and those who don't want to be followed by "the man".
Oh yea cause if you don't have anything to hide why would you be against repealing the unlawful search and seizure provisions of the constitution. I am assuming you mean illegal immigrants who don't want to be tracked and if they are already here illegally why in the heck would this stop them.
Enough of the federal government spitting on the 10th amendment in the name of the WOT...
He might be a paying subscriber who gets to see the article ahead of time, you want the same privileges pony up the cash..
Don't worry you're not being rude, you're being ignorant. If there were an emergency regarding his kids he might want to be there *despite* the fact his parents can handle it not because they cant. Funny thing about having kids, if they have to go to the hospital (or worse) you kinda want to be there. My wife and I always put our cell on vibrate and despite the fact our sitter is very competent, and has dealt with medical emergencies in her own family the thought of my daughter going into anaphylactic shock and me not knowing for three hours is kind of disturbing.
You're right there is a variance but it is down right deceitful of you to tag 'suburban NY' as if to say that inner cities are not spending money. Lets look at DC arguably the worst school system in the nation which spend more than any state (per pupil) except NJ (13K per kid) or NYC, can you get more urban, at nearly fourteen thousand (only 2% less than the state average). UTAH as a whole does not spend much money per pupil at 5K per pupil (least in the nation) so picking out Salt Lake City and your example even bolsters my point. West High in Salt Lake city (the school district you mentioned) is one of the top in the nation
"West High School has been named the top high school in Utah and number 158 in the nation by Newsweek and the Washington Post.
Its not the dollars going into the class its how they are getting used.
The average school in the US spends about 6K per student some of the schools you might consider poor (lets look at DC) spend upwards of twice that. 12K per kid per year that more than double what many elite private schools charge usually only 70% of that (not the kind with ponies and security teams where diplomats send their kids those are in a league of their own).
So when someone says our schools cant afford this or that I have to wonder when a class of 20 kids brings in a quarter million dollars (so a school of 2000 kids has a budget of 24 million dollars why the hell cant they afford it! and why can the private schools who charge 50 to 75% of your budget do what you can not?
And as for the software? its called squid and it does not cost a penny!
The free software movement isn't about RMS.
Somebody tell RMS that..
"Mr Stallman made perfectly clear that his point of view is: It's enough. It's enough that the world has to pay attention to that [DRM] problem the way the world needed to pay attention to the patent problem 10 years ago," -- Eben Moglen
Lets be clear I dont know who has written more of the GPL3 but its obvious who the driving force is, even Moglen admits that!
The same can be said about qmail
GPL3 was a solution looking for a problem. Every time something new happens the roll out the GPL 3 as a solution to stop the Bill gates of the world from co-opting opensource. First its Tivoli and patents when thats not hot enough to get people on board wingo we have the Novell MS deal... RMS needs to take a bow and let someone else captain this ship maybe with all the time he can get hurd might see some progress..
I never said it did but it is an example of a massive failure not motivated by religion (which counters the OP's position)
Given the founder of planned parenthood was a Nazi and a eugenicist they might not need blood samples from outside their own part to find it.
This is true my point was the proclivity of people to think click and forget is, in and of itself, not negligent by folks in the MS sphere.