Most of those are not round as in spherical. Pluto and Eirs have enough mass to collapse into spheres despite the rigidity of the components that collided to form them. Where they fail the new planet test is by not having enough mass to clear their orbits..
250 Million people in the cities *do* have access to broadband they just choose not to pay for it.
(1) Many in cities like NY, Boston,.... just use the nearest open access point to them (2) Many who want to just do email do it at work when they can (3) Many people use hot spots throughout the day
People not paying for network services does not equal *lagging network services* it mean many choose not to put down 45$ a month for cable, 25$ a month for DSL, or 10$ a month on high speed dial up (which for the purposes of slash dotting is just fine)
Especially when you cant understand the person on the other side because they moved the support jobs to India. No offense intended to people working tech support in India I am sure if I had to speak Hindi to help you fix your PC I would do a far worse job then you are doing.
Most of the US is empty and the vast majority of the masses live on the coasts in well developed areas.
Your kidding right? Do you live or have you ever driven over 'flyover country' take a drive away from the Twin cities in Minnesota for a real good example, every 15-20 miles or so there is a community between 10,000 and 20,000 people. That kinda adds up.
There is little excuse for 95+% of the US to not have a decent broadband level.
There is little excuse for your hyperbole! 60.4 million households at an average of 2.6 people per household give us about 160 Million or nearly 50% of people in the US having access to broadband right now. This does not even address the people who could purchase if they chose to but decided they don't need/want it.
#40 Sweden: 83% #43 United States: 80% #88 Finland: 61%
Now the real question is what are the other percentage of people doing? are they in communities which are not urban but still sizable? are in farming?
DEFINITION: Percentage of people living in urban areas. Data for 2003. Urban-rural classification of population in internationally published statistics follows the national census definition, which differs from one country or area to another. National definitions are usually based on criteria that may include any of the following: size of population in a locality, population density, distance between built-up areas, predominant type of economic activity, legal or administrative boundaries and urban characteristics such as specific services and facilities.
I don't care to start searching about the US vs Swedish or Finish definition but my basic point is, its not as simple as people are making it out to be.
Could be they are doing something right or it could be because this is more complicated than 2+2..
Population density without a measure of deviation is meaningless..
There is two factors to population density (1) is the over all for the nation the other is the standard deviation from that.
If we took every in the US except bill smith in Alaska and moved them to NY state the nation would still have the same population density but a much tighter deviation. So maybe the answer is fewer people living in the sticks in Sweden and Finland? This is more complicated then putting two percents together and saying A is doing better than B.
Bingo, if you look at the obligatory world at night map (http://faculty.uaeu.ac.ae/myagoub/Remote2/World_L ight_Night.jpg) while the east and west is pretty much lit up look at the rocky mountains and Alaska.. Many in these ares still use dial up and for what they use it for its fine.
Standing in line for 2 hours to vote is a significant block to many voters, and is enough to prevent very large segments of the population from voting.
Sure but so is a half hour. May who wont wait two hours would not wait 30 minutes and its too bad that voting does not mean that much to them. I would wait two hours to vote but if I knew it was coming I would vote absentee to save myself the hassle. Some people just don't care that much about voting and think it should be as convenient as a drive through at McDonald's or its not worth doing.
Wow, I'm sorry but I refuse to accept your "Getting a finger amputated is no big deal when you could have lost an arm" sort of logic.
Its ok I reject you standing in line to vote for two whole hours is massive oppression logic.
Yeah, waiting in line for four hours while your kids are at home (many poor families are single parent), probably w/o babysitters (thus violating child care laws) is a hardship, regardless how you slice it
Well there is always the option of filing an absentee ballot, you don't have to be out of the state to vote ahead of time through the mail. But that would, again, put some responsibility on the individuals to vote. BTW love the captain hyperbole act regarding child care laws, this is a million billion times worse than I thought... As I said, its a pain it is *not* hardship.
All I'm saying is that it should cost less.
Trip to the library and a stamp
As such, your point about polls being held open longer really doesn't solve the problems I am talking about.
Of course not, nothing can solve this problem captain hyperbole! we need the UN to come in here and fix this so you dont have to even get out of bed to vote.
I make a pretty good dollar but my wife and I have decided that we are going to home school so we are a single earner home and as such we do without. We only have one car and I changed jobs to a company only a few miles away so I can bus or bike in about 20 minutes. We don't have cable and at less than 250sqft per person in my home live in tighter quarters than many who are poor.
There are poor people who live well and unless you knew them (the sacrifices like no TV or shopping at seconds stores) you would not know they were poor. Then there are the people who should be lower middle class but live above their means.
Ok I was under the impression you were talking about getting the card not the actual action of voting. Still 10 minutes is pretty unreasonable you have to wait longer than that when you go to subway and there is was less demand and way more places to go.
But while I don't like the fed to tamper at the local level a law requiring polling places to be open 24 hours seems appropriate this should provide ample time for people to vote.
"It is not a question of commitment; it is a question of actual discrepancy in the degree of hardship, risk, and cost necessary to cast what is an equally-weighted vote."
Im sorry waiting 4 hours to vote, while a pain, is *not* hardship or risk and Americans need to wrap their minds around that. Living in a nation where you cant vote at all or will be killed if you vote for the wrong person *that* is hardship and risk. Polling places which face a glut of people generally get permission to stay open longer (eg Madison WI in 2000)
That this is a major problem is a fallacy spread by Republicans to try and prevent poor people that otherwise have no need for a picture ID
Everyone, to vote, needs a voter registration card (or your vote is provisional), that being the case making this voter id card have a picture and still be free is *not* any more of a hurdle for the poor than current voter id cards. But what is does do is prevent people from voting using other peoples cards. BTW Most 'poor' people in the US have a drivers license and a car "Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars." -- US Census
Make picture IDs free for everyone, not cost $50 or whatever they cost these days and not make people wait more than 10 minutes in line, and I might agree with you.
Im with you on the free but it takes more than 10 minutes now and why should 10 minuted or half an hour make a difference? should voting not have more of a commitment then say the dmv?
Better to just make sure people aren't registered in more than one town.
many towns hove multiple districts and most have multiple precincts.
Oh and there should be a requirement for a certain number of polling stations per number of registered voters, otherwise big cities with not enough polling stations are effectively disenfranchising their citizens. Nobody should be made to wait over an hour to vote, while we in the rich suburbs never have to wait more than a minute or two.
LOL I live in a 'rich suburb' (its ok I live in an apartment so I myself am not rolling in it) and I had to wait far longer than a minute or two to vote the last time. The number and locates of polling places is set up locally not by the fed so if the inner city which is usually vvery heavily democrat has too few polling places you know where to look.
Not to the same degree, The us does not run national airlines like many EU nations do thus the US does not decided who the arilines will buy their planes from.
Virgin Galactic:
"Work on the SpaceShipTwo design and construction is well advanced. Testing of the SpaceShipTwo prototype is likely to start in 2007 with commercial flights on the maiden Virgin Galactic craft, the VSS (Virgin SpaceShip) Enterprise, commencing early in 2009."
Rutan usually delivers on his promises and that being the case..
Other hurdles Virgin Galactic has gotten over
"NASA and Virgin Galactic announce a ground breaking and exciting agreement between the two parties to collaborate in future manned space technology. In particular, NASA confirms its willingness to make available to Virgin Galactic the unique capabilities and world class facilities within the NASA Ames Research Centre in California." 2-22-07
Lets be clear *if* private companies can make space tourism work in the end the technology will become much cheaper enabling us to further our reach into space (something not done since the Apollo Project)
"Auque said the company has determined that designing and flight-qualifying its proposed space plane would require 1 billion euros in investment."
At about 18 Million per flight they would have to fly 55 flights to break even on their investment. Add on the maintenance cost they will incur and this looks like it will end up being AirBus space a 'company' which constantly has to be subsidized by European governments.
This also caught me "He said Astrium has surveyed other space-tourism projects, mainly in the United States, and found most of them lacking in engineering or business-model seriousness. "There are those who think you can design a rocket plane in a garage," Laine said. "Suffice it to say that that is not our niche."
Hello SS1? how many projects from Europe were serious contenders for the X-Prize? I would be willing to be that Virgin / SS1 is up in the air before this pipe dream..
Not that its as bad as it was 15 years ago but I still see far too many RTFM's for the OSS community to be lecturing Closed Source companies on treating people like they matter.
And in the US when the government did that there was sound objection from within the government and many many political protest about it. Next time someone is run over with a tank for protesting the Bush administration you wont have to wear your captain hyperbole decoder ring to post such a message.
Right cause that whole thing in 89 was really a picnic! The Chinese people have a memory which is *allot* longer than westerners they view 1989 like we view 2005 and they have not forgotten what happens when a group of people get uppity.
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Can you point me at a round asteroid in the belt?
Most of those are not round as in spherical. Pluto and Eirs have enough mass to collapse into spheres despite the rigidity of the components that collided to form them. Where they fail the new planet test is by not having enough mass to clear their orbits..
Thing is more than 80% of the nation *does* have a broadband option they just choose not to pay for it.
250 Million people in the cities *do* have access to broadband they just choose not to pay for it.
.... just use the nearest open access point to them
(1) Many in cities like NY, Boston,
(2) Many who want to just do email do it at work when they can
(3) Many people use hot spots throughout the day
People not paying for network services does not equal *lagging network services* it mean many choose not to put down 45$ a month for cable, 25$ a month for DSL, or 10$ a month on high speed dial up (which for the purposes of slash dotting is just fine)
Its not racist its damn hard to understand people through an accent *especially* if you dont know what you're doing looking for help.
Especially when you cant understand the person on the other side because they moved the support jobs to India. No offense intended to people working tech support in India I am sure if I had to speak Hindi to help you fix your PC I would do a far worse job then you are doing.
Your kidding right? Do you live or have you ever driven over 'flyover country' take a drive away from the Twin cities in Minnesota for a real good example, every 15-20 miles or so there is a community between 10,000 and 20,000 people. That kinda adds up.
There is little excuse for 95+% of the US to not have a decent broadband level.
There is little excuse for your hyperbole! 60.4 million households at an average of 2.6 people per household give us about 160 Million or nearly 50% of people in the US having access to broadband right now. This does not even address the people who could purchase if they chose to but decided they don't need/want it.
Let's cut the shit shall we?
I would really appreciate it if you would.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_per_liv_in_u rb_are-people-percentage-living-urban-areas
I would not be so sure about that:
Percent of people living in urban areas:
#40 Sweden: 83%
#43 United States: 80%
#88 Finland: 61%
Now the real question is what are the other percentage of people doing? are they in communities which are not urban but still sizable? are in farming?
DEFINITION: Percentage of people living in urban areas. Data for 2003. Urban-rural classification of population in internationally published statistics follows the national census definition, which differs from one country or area to another. National definitions are usually based on criteria that may include any of the following: size of population in a locality, population density, distance between built-up areas, predominant type of economic activity, legal or administrative boundaries and urban characteristics such as specific services and facilities.
I don't care to start searching about the US vs Swedish or Finish definition but my basic point is, its not as simple as people are making it out to be.
Could be they are doing something right or it could be because this is more complicated than 2+2.. Population density without a measure of deviation is meaningless..
Seriously in NYC its not uncommon to open up your laptop and see a half dozen open points in a given apartment / condo building.
If we took every in the US except bill smith in Alaska and moved them to NY state the nation would still have the same population density but a much tighter deviation. So maybe the answer is fewer people living in the sticks in Sweden and Finland? This is more complicated then putting two percents together and saying A is doing better than B.
Bingo, if you look at the obligatory world at night map (http://faculty.uaeu.ac.ae/myagoub/Remote2/World_L ight_Night.jpg) while the east and west is pretty much lit up look at the rocky mountains and Alaska.. Many in these ares still use dial up and for what they use it for its fine.
Sure but so is a half hour. May who wont wait two hours would not wait 30 minutes and its too bad that voting does not mean that much to them. I would wait two hours to vote but if I knew it was coming I would vote absentee to save myself the hassle. Some people just don't care that much about voting and think it should be as convenient as a drive through at McDonald's or its not worth doing.
Its ok I reject you standing in line to vote for two whole hours is massive oppression logic.
Yeah, waiting in line for four hours while your kids are at home (many poor families are single parent), probably w/o babysitters (thus violating child care laws) is a hardship, regardless how you slice it
Well there is always the option of filing an absentee ballot, you don't have to be out of the state to vote ahead of time through the mail. But that would, again, put some responsibility on the individuals to vote. BTW love the captain hyperbole act regarding child care laws, this is a million billion times worse than I thought... As I said, its a pain it is *not* hardship.
All I'm saying is that it should cost less.
Trip to the library and a stamp
As such, your point about polls being held open longer really doesn't solve the problems I am talking about.
Of course not, nothing can solve this problem captain hyperbole! we need the UN to come in here and fix this so you dont have to even get out of bed to vote.
I make a pretty good dollar but my wife and I have decided that we are going to home school so we are a single earner home and as such we do without. We only have one car and I changed jobs to a company only a few miles away so I can bus or bike in about 20 minutes. We don't have cable and at less than 250sqft per person in my home live in tighter quarters than many who are poor. There are poor people who live well and unless you knew them (the sacrifices like no TV or shopping at seconds stores) you would not know they were poor. Then there are the people who should be lower middle class but live above their means.
Ok I was under the impression you were talking about getting the card not the actual action of voting. Still 10 minutes is pretty unreasonable you have to wait longer than that when you go to subway and there is was less demand and way more places to go. But while I don't like the fed to tamper at the local level a law requiring polling places to be open 24 hours seems appropriate this should provide ample time for people to vote. "It is not a question of commitment; it is a question of actual discrepancy in the degree of hardship, risk, and cost necessary to cast what is an equally-weighted vote." Im sorry waiting 4 hours to vote, while a pain, is *not* hardship or risk and Americans need to wrap their minds around that. Living in a nation where you cant vote at all or will be killed if you vote for the wrong person *that* is hardship and risk. Polling places which face a glut of people generally get permission to stay open longer (eg Madison WI in 2000)
Everyone, to vote, needs a voter registration card (or your vote is provisional), that being the case making this voter id card have a picture and still be free is *not* any more of a hurdle for the poor than current voter id cards. But what is does do is prevent people from voting using other peoples cards. BTW Most 'poor' people in the US have a drivers license and a car "Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars." -- US Census
Make picture IDs free for everyone, not cost $50 or whatever they cost these days and not make people wait more than 10 minutes in line, and I might agree with you.
Im with you on the free but it takes more than 10 minutes now and why should 10 minuted or half an hour make a difference? should voting not have more of a commitment then say the dmv?
Better to just make sure people aren't registered in more than one town.
many towns hove multiple districts and most have multiple precincts.
Oh and there should be a requirement for a certain number of polling stations per number of registered voters, otherwise big cities with not enough polling stations are effectively disenfranchising their citizens. Nobody should be made to wait over an hour to vote, while we in the rich suburbs never have to wait more than a minute or two.
LOL I live in a 'rich suburb' (its ok I live in an apartment so I myself am not rolling in it) and I had to wait far longer than a minute or two to vote the last time. The number and locates of polling places is set up locally not by the fed so if the inner city which is usually vvery heavily democrat has too few polling places you know where to look.
And if said picture id's were free?
Not to the same degree, The us does not run national airlines like many EU nations do thus the US does not decided who the arilines will buy their planes from.
Virgin Galactic: "Work on the SpaceShipTwo design and construction is well advanced. Testing of the SpaceShipTwo prototype is likely to start in 2007 with commercial flights on the maiden Virgin Galactic craft, the VSS (Virgin SpaceShip) Enterprise, commencing early in 2009." Rutan usually delivers on his promises and that being the case.. Other hurdles Virgin Galactic has gotten over "NASA and Virgin Galactic announce a ground breaking and exciting agreement between the two parties to collaborate in future manned space technology. In particular, NASA confirms its willingness to make available to Virgin Galactic the unique capabilities and world class facilities within the NASA Ames Research Centre in California." 2-22-07
Lets be clear *if* private companies can make space tourism work in the end the technology will become much cheaper enabling us to further our reach into space (something not done since the Apollo Project)
At about 18 Million per flight they would have to fly 55 flights to break even on their investment. Add on the maintenance cost they will incur and this looks like it will end up being AirBus space a 'company' which constantly has to be subsidized by European governments.
This also caught me "He said Astrium has surveyed other space-tourism projects, mainly in the United States, and found most of them lacking in engineering or business-model seriousness. "There are those who think you can design a rocket plane in a garage," Laine said. "Suffice it to say that that is not our niche."
Hello SS1? how many projects from Europe were serious contenders for the X-Prize? I would be willing to be that Virgin / SS1 is up in the air before this pipe dream..
Not that its as bad as it was 15 years ago but I still see far too many RTFM's for the OSS community to be lecturing Closed Source companies on treating people like they matter.
And in the US when the government did that there was sound objection from within the government and many many political protest about it. Next time someone is run over with a tank for protesting the Bush administration you wont have to wear your captain hyperbole decoder ring to post such a message.
Right cause that whole thing in 89 was really a picnic! The Chinese people have a memory which is *allot* longer than westerners they view 1989 like we view 2005 and they have not forgotten what happens when a group of people get uppity.