Your puritanical views on sex have somewhat invalidated your entire commentary.
You have never seen me and my wife in bed how do you know that my views are 'puritanical'. Is believing that maybe waiting until marrage to have sex some weird thing and bar hopping for a quick piece of ass is perfectly normal? please define puritanical.. I guess Muslims and Orthodox Jews are puritanical?
we are more concerned with the STDs than the propriety.
Here is a hint, many diseases are not prevented by condoms, or any oother neat thing you can get at the pharmacy.
there is no reason we should not have sex with whomever we like, that is a consenting adult, as long as we find the risk acceptable.
Hey its a sin but its also a free country, and I am not trying to prevent you frmo having sex in any other way than telling you my opinion. Just go into it with your eyes wide open to the fact that 80% of women get HPV before they hit 50, and 50% of all sexually active adults have it. If youre a guy and you get it you can give it to every woman you have sex with in the future, it does not matter if you use protection.
So *if* you meet a woman who stimulates you enough that you might want to start a family youre proposal should go something like this
I love you, and I have HPV ill probabbly give it to you and it can cause you to be infertile or even get cancer, please marry me...
Yeah, and you can also get these viruses from more than just genital contact and AFTER you get married.
but not unless you or your partner is having sex outside of that marrage.
being married has absolutely no affect on whether or not you'll get an STD.
But staying within the marrage *IS* protection
here are cases of newlyweds who both waited until they were married to have sex that ended up with an STD. So stop giving in to the scare tactics and use your brain.
So you've heard of STDs. Good. But what does that have to do with screwing a woman you just met in a bar? If I recall correctly, the first time I met my wife was in a bar. That was perhaps 12 years and two kids ago...
And you slept with her that night? if not than why dont you read the post I was replying to which tried to turn some fool who had sex wich bar trash (not that all people in bars are trash but those looking to get laid tonight are) into a victom..
1/4 do not have genital warts. 1/4 (or thereabouts) may have the human papilloma virus (HPV), which is what causes genital warts. However, most people with HPV do not get genital warts and, indeed, most people with HPV never get any symptoms at all from it
Sorry I used the common name, but what you left out is that a person even if they dont have warts will transmit HPV all the same..
If you never heard of genital HPV than those big words myst have lost you. I was a teenager recentlyenough ago to know that I sure thought I was unbreakable...
But if you want some links here is its.. from those wacky untrutable types at the CDC
Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year.
The types of HPV that infect the genital area are spread primarily through genital contact. Most HPV infections have no signs or symptoms; therefore, most infected persons are unaware they are infected, yet they can transmit the virus to a sex partner.
There is no "cure" for HPV infection, although in most women the infection goes away on its own. The treatments provided are directed to the changes in the skin or mucous membrane caused by HPV infection, such as warts and pre-cancerous changes in the cervix.
Some of these viruses are called "high-risk" types, and may cause abnormal Pap tests. They may also lead to cancer of the cervix, vulva, vagina, anus, or penis.
Not that its any of your business but from my wife. As for those who are not married its better to wait, but, if you dont want to its better to know the person more than a day or so before getting into bed with them...
When I took sex-ed (mid 90's) we talked forever about aids, heck I thought aids and pregnancy were the only real thigs to worry about, if kids only knew whats out there. There are many women in their mid 30's wondering why having kids is so hard, and in the next 10-15 years people will discover much higher cervical cancer rates (more than 75% of sexually active kids under 20 have an STD...)...
How would you feel if you had to go to every door in your neighborhood, announce at nearly any sort of background check, that 10, 20, 30 years ago you made some huge mistake?
Probably better than the kid I traumatized by that act..
4) Learn that screwing somebody you just met in a bar just might have a negative effect on the rest of your life (forget the fact more than 1/4 have genital warts and that it is not prevented by condoms, there is no cure, and it can cause a woman to be infertile).
Until we clearly discriminate between horny young girls and clear violent attacks or pedophile cases, I will have a hard time with harsh regulations imposed post-prison sentenced (debt to society paid and all).
I can agree with this, I am not aware if this is covered by 'degrees' like murder, or if sex with a 17 yo is the same as sex with someone much younger. I would imagine there is some difference in the law..
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"Ah, so you're saying that nobody has a right to complain about how the state is shafting them, as long as some other state someplace else is shafting someone else worse, right?"
No, they can complain all they want. So can millionaires football players? you have a point? People can complain all they want that does not mean they have it bad it means they are discontent..
"So it would get your support if our government decided to torture prisoners, say, so long as they didn't torture them quite as badly as some dictators do?"
Aweful analogy, complaining about raging poverty in the US (when nearlt 50% of 'poor' people *own* a home is like calling the denial of a nintendo to prisoners torture... Im talking scale...
"It would get your support if our government locked up everyone who voted Democrat, as long as they left the Greens and Libertarians alone, so they wouldn't be repressing political dissidents quite as badly as the Chinese? I mean, if someone's in jail for their political beliefs, but isn't actually doing hard labor, are they really suffering?"
Attack of the 50ft Straw man...
There will always be the poor, even in socail nanny states, and outright communist states there are poor people. Because someone in that society will have more, but I want you to go to rwanda and tell them someone who owns a home, two cars, has food, and emergency medial care is poor.
"Ah, so you're saying that nobody has a right to complain about how the state is shafting them, as long as some other state someplace else is shafting someone else worse, right?"
No, they can complain all they want. So can millionaires football players? you have a point? People can complain all they want that does not mean they have it bad it means they are discontent..
"So it would get your support if our government decided to torture prisoners, say, so long as they didn't torture them quite as badly as some dictators do?"
Aweful analogy, complaining about raging poverty in the US (when nearlt 75% of 'poor' people own a home is like calling the denial of a nintendo to prisoners torture... Im talking scale...
"It would get your support if our government locked up everyone who voted Democrat, as long as they left the Greens and Libertarians alone, so they wouldn't be repressing political dissidents quite as badly as the Chinese? I mean, if someone's in jail for their political beliefs, but isn't actually doing hard labor, are they really suffering?"
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There will always be the poor, even in socail nanny states, and outright communist states there are poor people. Because someone in that society will have more, but I want you to go to rwanda and tell them someone who owns a home, two cars, has food, and emergency medial care is poor.
So you don't consider it "poverty" unless people are starving?
I dont consider oppresive poverty to mean you have food, a roof, and emergency medial care...
However, I can tell you that I see homeless people every day here in Chicago and they generally don't seem very happy.
How many do you see, guestimate for me, than tell me how many you do not see. As a percentage the homeless rate far below the lowest minority in America. In addition to the fact their numbers are small they can go many places for food and a warm bed.
By the way, I've seen some stats that put the number of people in my neighborhood living at or below the poverty level as high as 40%
The poverty line is a joke, A coule I am friends with get along on one person working 40hrs at 10$ an hour. Do the math they are far below the poverty line yet they own a car, have a nice 1 bedrrom apartment and the like... Dont want to believe me lets look at census data and see how aweful the poor in america have it..
# Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
# Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
# Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
# The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
# Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
# Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
# Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
# Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Yea dont we have it bad..
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How many deaths from starvation in the US! please describe multitude? I live in MSP (a pretty big metro area) and work downtown, I dont see multitudes of homeless.... Where do you see multitudes of homeless, and what do you define as multitudes?
If someone has no home but has shelter and food given to them nightly are they really suffering? Certainly not comforatble but not anything like the poos in other nations..
Sanity/long-term strategy has been thrown out of the window (christ, you guys actually invaded both Afghanistan and bloody Iraq! why oh why?!) and replaced by short-term goals and quick profits
bwhahahahah This coming from the nations that sold planes to the Chinese; who thraten Taiwan, and increasingly Japan. These planes made by a Europian Corporation whic receives rich protection and welfare from the EU can be converted to militarty use fairly easily. Yea you guys sure do take the high road dont you..
ummm no, SS1 while an awesome step forward does not have tha capacity or power to haul things into space. It did not even accomplish orbital velocity with one person on board..
And why not? people demand more money for kids totally unprepared for college? I had to teach a course which had kids who more at least three years behind. Still we had to pull them along because 'its not their fault' they were lazy in HS. Dont forget massive welfare and government sancationed health care. LEts not forget to piss and moan about bankruptsy reform for people that cant stay out of debt..
Fact it we live in a society in which everyone has their hands out why should parents be any different?
Youre saying the government of brazil does not have the same buying power I do? Afterall if this is going to be done for the people why not just have the govt guarentee payment..
wow, you really just dont want to be wrong do you? I can go to dells site and buy something on a financing plan. Because dell outsources that part of their business to a bank does that mean I cant buy a dell and pay over 24 months?
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You have never seen me and my wife in bed how do you know that my views are 'puritanical'. Is believing that maybe waiting until marrage to have sex some weird thing and bar hopping for a quick piece of ass is perfectly normal? please define puritanical.. I guess Muslims and Orthodox Jews are puritanical?
we are more concerned with the STDs than the propriety. Here is a hint, many diseases are not prevented by condoms, or any oother neat thing you can get at the pharmacy.
there is no reason we should not have sex with whomever we like, that is a consenting adult, as long as we find the risk acceptable.
Hey its a sin but its also a free country, and I am not trying to prevent you frmo having sex in any other way than telling you my opinion. Just go into it with your eyes wide open to the fact that 80% of women get HPV before they hit 50, and 50% of all sexually active adults have it. If youre a guy and you get it you can give it to every woman you have sex with in the future, it does not matter if you use protection.
So *if* you meet a woman who stimulates you enough that you might want to start a family youre proposal should go something like this
I love you, and I have HPV ill probabbly give it to you and it can cause you to be infertile or even get cancer, please marry me...
but not unless you or your partner is having sex outside of that marrage.
being married has absolutely no affect on whether or not you'll get an STD.
But staying within the marrage *IS* protection
here are cases of newlyweds who both waited until they were married to have sex that ended up with an STD. So stop giving in to the scare tactics and use your brain.
Example please...
And you slept with her that night? if not than why dont you read the post I was replying to which tried to turn some fool who had sex wich bar trash (not that all people in bars are trash but those looking to get laid tonight are) into a victom..
Sorry I used the common name, but what you left out is that a person even if they dont have warts will transmit HPV all the same..
But if you want some links here is its.. from those wacky untrutable types at the CDC
Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year.
The types of HPV that infect the genital area are spread primarily through genital contact. Most HPV infections have no signs or symptoms; therefore, most infected persons are unaware they are infected, yet they can transmit the virus to a sex partner.
There is no "cure" for HPV infection, although in most women the infection goes away on its own. The treatments provided are directed to the changes in the skin or mucous membrane caused by HPV infection, such as warts and pre-cancerous changes in the cervix.
Some of these viruses are called "high-risk" types, and may cause abnormal Pap tests. They may also lead to cancer of the cervix, vulva, vagina, anus, or penis.
Thanks, given that and the fact I finally rtfa, I see this law only will affect those who commit a crime against an eleven y/o or younger...
ummm I hate to point out the obvious but setting a law at 18 is age discrimination, so how is another law at 12 any different??
No, I dont I was never that desperate for attention ;)
Not that its any of your business but from my wife. As for those who are not married its better to wait, but, if you dont want to its better to know the person more than a day or so before getting into bed with them...
When I took sex-ed (mid 90's) we talked forever about aids, heck I thought aids and pregnancy were the only real thigs to worry about, if kids only knew whats out there. There are many women in their mid 30's wondering why having kids is so hard, and in the next 10-15 years people will discover much higher cervical cancer rates (more than 75% of sexually active kids under 20 have an STD...)...
I would say the fact you call the death penalty murder shows you *do* have a definative opinion on the matter...
Probably better than the kid I traumatized by that act..
Until we clearly discriminate between horny young girls and clear violent attacks or pedophile cases, I will have a hard time with harsh regulations imposed post-prison sentenced (debt to society paid and all).
I can agree with this, I am not aware if this is covered by 'degrees' like murder, or if sex with a 17 yo is the same as sex with someone much younger. I would imagine there is some difference in the law..
If I am a bank robber, and I see you stealing cable should I really report you to the cops for it?
Formatting removed: "Ah, so you're saying that nobody has a right to complain about how the state is shafting them, as long as some other state someplace else is shafting someone else worse, right?" No, they can complain all they want. So can millionaires football players? you have a point? People can complain all they want that does not mean they have it bad it means they are discontent.. "So it would get your support if our government decided to torture prisoners, say, so long as they didn't torture them quite as badly as some dictators do?" Aweful analogy, complaining about raging poverty in the US (when nearlt 50% of 'poor' people *own* a home is like calling the denial of a nintendo to prisoners torture... Im talking scale... "It would get your support if our government locked up everyone who voted Democrat, as long as they left the Greens and Libertarians alone, so they wouldn't be repressing political dissidents quite as badly as the Chinese? I mean, if someone's in jail for their political beliefs, but isn't actually doing hard labor, are they really suffering?" Attack of the 50ft Straw man... There will always be the poor, even in socail nanny states, and outright communist states there are poor people. Because someone in that society will have more, but I want you to go to rwanda and tell them someone who owns a home, two cars, has food, and emergency medial care is poor.
"Ah, so you're saying that nobody has a right to complain about how the state is shafting them, as long as some other state someplace else is shafting someone else worse, right?" No, they can complain all they want. So can millionaires football players? you have a point? People can complain all they want that does not mean they have it bad it means they are discontent.. "So it would get your support if our government decided to torture prisoners, say, so long as they didn't torture them quite as badly as some dictators do?" Aweful analogy, complaining about raging poverty in the US (when nearlt 75% of 'poor' people own a home is like calling the denial of a nintendo to prisoners torture... Im talking scale... "It would get your support if our government locked up everyone who voted Democrat, as long as they left the Greens and Libertarians alone, so they wouldn't be repressing political dissidents quite as badly as the Chinese? I mean, if someone's in jail for their political beliefs, but isn't actually doing hard labor, are they really suffering?" Attack of the 50ft Straw man... ________ @ ^ /|\ 50 ft
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There will always be the poor, even in socail nanny states, and outright communist states there are poor people. Because someone in that society will have more, but I want you to go to rwanda and tell them someone who owns a home, two cars, has food, and emergency medial care is poor.
Nope
There was this guy a couple of thousand years ago who warned people about pointing out motes in their brothers' eyes.
Which was the point I was making to the OP, guess in a couple of thousand years youll get it right?
I dont consider oppresive poverty to mean you have food, a roof, and emergency medial care...
However, I can tell you that I see homeless people every day here in Chicago and they generally don't seem very happy.
How many do you see, guestimate for me, than tell me how many you do not see. As a percentage the homeless rate far below the lowest minority in America. In addition to the fact their numbers are small they can go many places for food and a warm bed.
By the way, I've seen some stats that put the number of people in my neighborhood living at or below the poverty level as high as 40%
The poverty line is a joke, A coule I am friends with get along on one person working 40hrs at 10$ an hour. Do the math they are far below the poverty line yet they own a car, have a nice 1 bedrrom apartment and the like... Dont want to believe me lets look at census data and see how aweful the poor in america have it..
# Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
# Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
# Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
# The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
# Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars. # Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
# Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception. # Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Yea dont we have it bad..
If someone has no home but has shelter and food given to them nightly are they really suffering? Certainly not comforatble but not anything like the poos in other nations..
bwhahahahah This coming from the nations that sold planes to the Chinese; who thraten Taiwan, and increasingly Japan. These planes made by a Europian Corporation whic receives rich protection and welfare from the EU can be converted to militarty use fairly easily. Yea you guys sure do take the high road dont you..
ummm no, SS1 while an awesome step forward does not have tha capacity or power to haul things into space. It did not even accomplish orbital velocity with one person on board..
Fact it we live in a society in which everyone has their hands out why should parents be any different?
Banning chicken wings is probabbly good for this country, and other fatty foods...
Youre saying the government of brazil does not have the same buying power I do? Afterall if this is going to be done for the people why not just have the govt guarentee payment..
hmm yes I saw the quote what I did not see was any evidance to support it....
wow, you really just dont want to be wrong do you? I can go to dells site and buy something on a financing plan. Because dell outsources that part of their business to a bank does that mean I cant buy a dell and pay over 24 months?