Wow I can believe I am here defending dell and windows but when things like this are said
Show me a new dell configured with monitor, keyboard, mouse, OS, and complete productivity suite (sorry Works doesn't cut it) that can be had for $500 here in the US, let alone after it's shipped to South America.
If you read what's being said they're saying that they're trying to provide software that is Free (no dependency on others) and create a market with competition.
Yes and with that part I cant fault them all that much, but when they wrap this around 'it for the poor' I have to laugh.. This is for Brazillian PC manufactures..
Hey I dont know of any US government policy that encourages me to use MS... The government should push open standards (not based on political ideology) and whatever can meet those standards should be considered..
Thank you AC, this is the first post that is not a *MS suck* and thats why we should do it... I was unaware of that. I will ask given that the govt is giving tax breaks to companies could it not also lower the import duty on a US computer from Dell?
Really? the govt exist to endorse one form of software over another? why not we want cradle to grave control why not tell me which PC is good for my country while we are at it..
(1) MySQL is not an enterprise level database, its nice and I use it for some small thigs around the office but I would never run an ENT app on it.
now that we have that out of the way lets look at your point. MySQL, GIMP, OO, FireFox, Apache, all *RUN IN THE WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT*
I think the citizens of Brazil are getting a great deal more for their money than the Micro$shaft whore called Dell!
All the more reason not to take your post seriously... I have several servers here from dell that came with RHEL on them. If you really think some kid is going to be better off in a ghetto in brazil because he is using Linux and not windows you are too fargone to reason with...
I think you would be suprised how far dell would bend (both in price, and in credit approval) if the government promised to back any defaults. The government would save money (not everyone would default)...
I am not saying I think this is a bad idea, what I am saying is that the 'its for the poor' angle is crap. The government has a thing against MS (hey dont we all) and are pushing a non MS OS because they think that its an evil American corporation..
Which is my point, this is the government expanding its power (you dont think this program will actually cost less per PC than a dell) under the guise of helping the people.
Did you RTFA? or my post? Ill requote for you from teh article and my post...
ARTICLE:
Under the program, which is expected to offer tax incentives for computer makers to cut prices and a generous payment plan for consumers, the government hopes to offer desktops for around 1,400 reais ($509) or less. The machines will be comparable to those costing almost twice that outside the program.
MY POST: If your goal is to prevent monopoly thats all well and good but dont try to further justify it by throwing in things which are just plain hot air...
Back to your nonsense Smartass, what the fuck is a comment about Brazil's "poor" doing in reply to an article about Brazil and OSS? Get out of your mom's basement - it's worse than our sewers.
If by smartass you meant I read the friggen article before posting a comment then yes, I guess I am (you should also aspire to be one).. I think its fine brazil wants to keep competition in its market, its also fine that they want to give people a PC. But giveing a poor person a PC with OSS is not going to help them as individules anymore than giving them a PC with windows...
Unfortunately, price is not the only determinant. The hardware could be different. And most Linux distros come with a variety of tools, like office suites, graphic editors, games, etc.
I doubt a 500$ pc would be done better than anyone as they are done by Dell... And as for the software not only do dells come with but you can also run OO and other free software on them. As I said this will do nothing more to help the poor of brazil than buying them all a dell would have done..
It makes me happy that Brazil setting a good example by putting Open Source as a requirement.
Yes because Government always does whats best.. Look I like the idea of a government encouraging OSS, even requiring open standards. A line is crossed when a government forces OSS (which is not the case here, but your comment indicates you wish it were).
What makes me most happy is not that it gives Microsoft more power, but that it gives Open Source development a good push in the right direction.
OSS software has done fine without the need for Governments to get involved. Look at fire fox, what government has done anything to force its use?
If your goal is to prevent monopoly thats all well and good but dont try to further justify it by throwing in things which are just plain hot air...
Under the program, which is expected to offer tax incentives for computer makers to cut prices and a generous payment plan for consumers, the government hopes to offer desktops for around 1,400 reais ($509) or less. The machines will be comparable to those costing almost twice that outside the program.
You can already get a dell for R$1499 which is very price competative with what your selling people.
I kind of figure the best you would have might consist of some kind of 'youre a brown shirt' politics... Ill tip you off on something I didnot vote ofr Bush...
Now Ill ask you again are you a libertarian? Reading your journal and some of your post I get the idea your a progressive liberal but I could be wrong.. Are you for the FDA? Public Radio? the NEA?..
May as well be on welfare and foodstamps if you won't be responsible for your life.
This coming from a grown man who lives with his parents...
Take responisibility for your kid or go on welfare. It's that simple.
I guess we should have no sped limits, no drug testing, no welfare, no food standards, no OSHA, nothing at all along those lines because people are responsable fr themselves... am I getting you right?
You're a libertarian and you would deny a kid's liberty to buy alcohol and enter strip clubs?! You're a liberal or a conservative! Liberties are fought to keep, not give up to wackos.
is there a part of the word Generally you did not understand? I relaize that we live in the real wolrd. Being an expectant father I have a POV on this that you can not understand. For some reason you seem to think the elevted officials of a state passing a law which does not at all restrict content for you or any other adult. I hate to tell you this but kids do not have teh same rights adults have, they cant vote and cant up and decide not ot go to school..
I still don't see why parents have the need to screw things up just to raise a kid.
Please, please tell me how this bill is screwing anything up? And tell me what you mean by scre things up? Are you upset there is a social cost to continuing the human race?
Hell, I'll never have kids since they cost too much and annoy me so much I'd have to punch them to shut up.
Gasp? but what about the vaunted tax benefits you talked about on another thread?/sarcasm...
Honestly I could care less if you have a kid
I like the libertarian idea of total unregulation so kids can go into strip clubs if they want.
Given you hate kids that does not suprise me. Society has a vested interest in the next generation, and parents can not be there 24*7 so I think (though I am generally pretty libertarian) that saying a 5yo cant buy a six pack, and that a 10yo cant go into a strip club are acceptable..
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So long as we realize this is a socialist grab, with nothing more to do that give a handout to brazilian pc manufactures..
Hmm I say something and somebody attack me for saying something compleatly different... who is it whoring to point out he never RTFA or my post..
Show me a new dell configured with monitor, keyboard, mouse, OS, and complete productivity suite (sorry Works doesn't cut it) that can be had for $500 here in the US, let alone after it's shipped to South America.
Here in the US... Prices in Brazil are higher because of Brazil's import duties on US computers..
If you read what's being said they're saying that they're trying to provide software that is Free (no dependency on others) and create a market with competition.
Yes and with that part I cant fault them all that much, but when they wrap this around 'it for the poor' I have to laugh.. This is for Brazillian PC manufactures..
Hey I dont know of any US government policy that encourages me to use MS... The government should push open standards (not based on political ideology) and whatever can meet those standards should be considered..
Maybe, but if Dell got the deal to use windows in Brazil for this program MS might be more forgiving..
Thank you AC, this is the first post that is not a *MS suck* and thats why we should do it... I was unaware of that. I will ask given that the govt is giving tax breaks to companies could it not also lower the import duty on a US computer from Dell?
Your right you did not think. How about you leek at dells site first! they do allow payments over 24 months you pantload...
Is the Brazillian government forcing people to buy these cheap computers?
Did I say had a problem with them doing oss? no you turd, I said going w/ oss give no more benefit to the poor than going with windows!
It's not the USA and American principles don't reign supreme everywhere, much to the chagrin of people like you.
Yea we have to wait until someone starts a world war, save their ass and then they like us for about 40 years..
Really? the govt exist to endorse one form of software over another? why not we want cradle to grave control why not tell me which PC is good for my country while we are at it..
Umm dell does offer financing...
Um, send them CD's or require the OEM to put them on...
Did you read the part that said *Look I like the idea of a government encouraging OSS, even requiring open standards.* or are you just karma whoring?
6) Provides the educational system where people gain first exposure to various OSes
Except of course wnidows because thats evil American IP right??
now that we have that out of the way lets look at your point. MySQL, GIMP, OO, FireFox, Apache, all *RUN IN THE WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT*
I think the citizens of Brazil are getting a great deal more for their money than the Micro$shaft whore called Dell!
All the more reason not to take your post seriously... I have several servers here from dell that came with RHEL on them. If you really think some kid is going to be better off in a ghetto in brazil because he is using Linux and not windows you are too fargone to reason with...
I am not saying I think this is a bad idea, what I am saying is that the 'its for the poor' angle is crap. The government has a thing against MS (hey dont we all) and are pushing a non MS OS because they think that its an evil American corporation..
Which is my point, this is the government expanding its power (you dont think this program will actually cost less per PC than a dell) under the guise of helping the people.
Under the program, which is expected to offer tax incentives for computer makers to cut prices and a generous payment plan for consumers, the government hopes to offer desktops for around 1,400 reais ($509) or less. The machines will be comparable to those costing almost twice that outside the program.
MY POST:
If your goal is to prevent monopoly thats all well and good but dont try to further justify it by throwing in things which are just plain hot air...
Back to your nonsense
Smartass, what the fuck is a comment about Brazil's "poor" doing in reply to an article about Brazil and OSS? Get out of your mom's basement - it's worse than our sewers.
If by smartass you meant I read the friggen article before posting a comment then yes, I guess I am (you should also aspire to be one).. I think its fine brazil wants to keep competition in its market, its also fine that they want to give people a PC. But giveing a poor person a PC with OSS is not going to help them as individules anymore than giving them a PC with windows...
Except that Dell already competes with R$1400 computers... This is about the government making a decision for people it has no place making..
I doubt a 500$ pc would be done better than anyone as they are done by Dell... And as for the software not only do dells come with but you can also run OO and other free software on them. As I said this will do nothing more to help the poor of brazil than buying them all a dell would have done..
Yes because Government always does whats best.. Look I like the idea of a government encouraging OSS, even requiring open standards. A line is crossed when a government forces OSS (which is not the case here, but your comment indicates you wish it were).
What makes me most happy is not that it gives Microsoft more power, but that it gives Open Source development a good push in the right direction.
OSS software has done fine without the need for Governments to get involved. Look at fire fox, what government has done anything to force its use?
Under the program, which is expected to offer tax incentives for computer makers to cut prices and a generous payment plan for consumers, the government hopes to offer desktops for around 1,400 reais ($509) or less. The machines will be comparable to those costing almost twice that outside the program.
You can already get a dell for R$1499 which is very price competative with what your selling people.
check out the Neuros
Now Ill ask you again are you a libertarian? Reading your journal and some of your post I get the idea your a progressive liberal but I could be wrong.. Are you for the FDA? Public Radio? the NEA?..
So are you a true libertarian or are you just trying to get off topic?
This coming from a grown man who lives with his parents...
Take responisibility for your kid or go on welfare. It's that simple.
I guess we should have no sped limits, no drug testing, no welfare, no food standards, no OSHA, nothing at all along those lines because people are responsable fr themselves... am I getting you right?
is there a part of the word Generally you did not understand? I relaize that we live in the real wolrd. Being an expectant father I have a POV on this that you can not understand. For some reason you seem to think the elevted officials of a state passing a law which does not at all restrict content for you or any other adult. I hate to tell you this but kids do not have teh same rights adults have, they cant vote and cant up and decide not ot go to school..
Please, please tell me how this bill is screwing anything up? And tell me what you mean by scre things up? Are you upset there is a social cost to continuing the human race?
Hell, I'll never have kids since they cost too much and annoy me so much I'd have to punch them to shut up.
Gasp? but what about the vaunted tax benefits you talked about on another thread? /sarcasm...
Honestly I could care less if you have a kid
I like the libertarian idea of total unregulation so kids can go into strip clubs if they want.
Given you hate kids that does not suprise me. Society has a vested interest in the next generation, and parents can not be there 24*7 so I think (though I am generally pretty libertarian) that saying a 5yo cant buy a six pack, and that a 10yo cant go into a strip club are acceptable..