Because the mod chips do not fint in MS buisness model..Ford selles me a mustang in a cash+ manner. If ford relied on sales of Gasoline and Oil after the sale to make money they would want to sut down anyone who sold thies things and kept ford out of the $ loop..
Yea and while we are at it I think they should have to use colors that colorblind people can distinguish, and large latters ooo gotta have lage letters (none of this crap with small letters in picutre captions).
How else can we possibly tell someone else how to run their buisness...
I mean its not like we can use our $$ to invoke change (start a campaign, and a boycott of the airline) no no we need to tie up the legal system because someones felling are hurt.
There is a difference between not knowing what Engineering is and not being intelligent. I did not mean to insult you personally, sorry. But do not be so insecure about what others say, and do not assume because someone disagrees with you they are insulting you.
I work in the real world, In corporate America. I am up to my eyes in the real world so dont presume I am some 1st year Engineering student who thinks they know it all. I am not privy the the ppu cost of the X-Box so it could be coming down in price, I dont really know, But I do know it still cost at most retaillors about 269 dollars, where as you can get a PS2 for about 200$ (Both at BJ's price club).
As you have used the word theoretically decreasing I am assuming that you are also not privy to the ppu of the xbox either. My point is that for its use it is a piss poor design, and it were any other company but one with the pockets of MS I would already be a collectors item as most companines would (and should) not tolerate the losses it has had to absorb. By the time the X-Box is cash+, sony and Nintendo will be out with new systems that make X-Box look average, and then MS will have to build a newer better and again much more expensive one.
You can not yell fire in a crowded movie theater because it creates a dangerous environment. It law think about it.
As for ELF: You obviously are really really far to the left if you think loggers want to destroy the forest, (I suppose you think hunters want to kill all the game as well).
To say the ELF does not use terror is a joke, spiking a few trees to 'save' the forrest is terror. If your actions (tree spiking) result in the death of a human being who may not have even been in the forest (ofter cut down trees are taken to a mill) you are a murderer and according to people like you thats ok.
I never said the cheapest was the best, if you build to a specification which is so high in price you cannot compete in the market you design is worthless.
This is not **TOTALLY** an engineering failure, I am sure some bean counter is at fault as well. The xbox is overdesigned as a gaming console, hence they are losing much more money per unit than anybody else in the market. This is not a good design.
When I say its bad engineering I am talking about the organisations engineering process not the individule engineers designing a board. The process clearly failed, you have created a product which if sold at a reasonable loss could not compete in the market.
To my mind the best product is the one which best fits the use it was designed for, not one which is so overdesigned it can not survive at a competative price. Innovation is not throwing a ton of money at a problem, its finding a way to do it in an affordable manner.
Take a Sports car, if you are designing for the rich its ok to build out a very very expensive spec, but you have to charge for it. You can build a BMW and expect it to compete with a Dodge Neon at price.
NAMBLA:
Im sorry, and I knwo this is not a popular opinion here, but no freedom is absolute, when you trample on someone elses freedom (I dont know by raping their kids) you cant hide behind another freedom.
Kinda like that southpark: stan "dude I all for tollerance and all that other gay shit, but you have sex with children".
ELF:
Putting spikes in trees which can kill a human being if hit with a saw blade is terror. Threating to burn down someone property because you dont like where they live is terror. And if you give money to the ELF to mop their floors that frees up floor moping money they already had to go destroy someone elses property.
Hey guy, I hate to tell you but the ELF and ALF uses terror to get what they want. They publically threatin physical harm to those they disagree with.
BTW tree spiking which the ELF proclaims as a great thing has killed several men.
They are Oficially on the terrorist watch list and have been on it long before 9/11..
A president ofter writes a Bill for congress to consider. He can of course not take part in a leg session, but the reality of how it works oftern starts at the white hose and not capitol hill..
Well dipshit, I own legally everything I use. you are a perfect fit for M$ a moron who thinks everyone is a tiheif who does not want you in their buisness..
Well as you are an intrusive, rude, and self rightous asshole, there is another alternative. You get the hell out of where I put my games or what I do to a piece of hardware I put good money out for. You just turn your sorry ass around and get the hell outta my house. Now you dont need to waste the time and effort telling me what to do with **MY** time and **MONEY**, and you no onger need to yell at others to support a shitty buisness model.
No clue, I dont own an xbox. But if I did and I could I would want to back up my games, or I might want to run an OS on it (its a pretty good piece of hardware).
Pardon me sir but have no clue what engineering is. its not about the biggest building, fastest car, best gaming system. Engineering is about gathering your requirements, and implimentg them in a cost efficent, yet powerful manner. If I design a game system that hase a PPU which is much higher than the competition I have done a piss poor job of engineering it. My 2,500 dollar computer is more powerful than the xbox but if it were designed as a gaming system it would be a piss poor design because of its cost.
the reason XBox is losing more money for longer than PS2 is because PS2 was better engineered to fulfil the market requirements as a reasonable cost.
lets see I can buy a dvdr for a couple of bucks, pop the origional in a mac and copy it while I make dinner/sleep/work. Its very cost effective, I spend a few minutes and and a few dollars. And I dont have to use the origionals.
I started this when I bought a game (civ2) which got scratched a short time later and I was told tuff by the company (I dont think they should have to replace it but if they dont have to I should be able to back it up).
What the hell are you talking about man? I am saying that I should not be punished for doing something both legal and ethical (its a 2fer) because someone else may be doing something illegal, and you respond with he is doing something illegal and thats why I want to back up my games?
I need to make back ups of my games because I have a little brother who loves sand papaer, or an amerous english pug who is eyeing my game collection.. its non of your damn buisness why I need backups.
That being said if I give a game to little Billy I have just stolen from you, the thing is in America we are innocent until proven guilty.
I agree with you 100% stealing is bad and I dont do it. you seem to think I endorse stealing, I think If I want to mod something I have bought and paid for, for a non buinsess purpose (to back up games, or to run an OS) which is not getting aroung spending money I would otherwise have to spend its **MY** property.
The personal property cry is not 'childish' If I use my property in a legal way, to do legal things on Ihave every right. There are few rights more fundimental than property.
Ok so I create a product which is inferior (either in terms of production cost or performance) to other products in the market. So in order to gain market share against the companies who **DO** make money I have to sell at a loss (again not due to the market as others in the market make $$, but do to the fact it cost me too much money to make my product, or its not as good os the competition).
So now I am saying to myself, how do I make money with the expensive piece of crap? Ok I will sign a deal with people who want to make games for my system.
So your question is what would I do? I would not get into a market against superior competition (in this case Nintendo, and Sony) with a product which is so poorly engineered that it cost much more per unit than any one elses, tie myself to slaes of accessories (not even my products) and hope I could use a legal club to keep people from using it any other way than the one which fits my piss poor Buisness plan.
M$ got big on chance, the mistakes of others (Apple), and stolen source code. They have smartly used their opponets weaknesses to maintain and expand their influence.
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I have yet to meet the microsoft feature that actually saves time for administrators..
Wait for it......... Source forge is in the kitchen..
Because the mod chips do not fint in MS buisness model..Ford selles me a mustang in a cash+ manner. If ford relied on sales of Gasoline and Oil after the sale to make money they would want to sut down anyone who sold thies things and kept ford out of the $ loop..
How about shutting down Lik Sang for selling mod chips for the xboc
You missed the satire huh?
How else can we possibly tell someone else how to run their buisness...
I mean its not like we can use our $$ to invoke change (start a campaign, and a boycott of the airline) no no we need to tie up the legal system because someones felling are hurt.
Law suits liek this are pathetic..
I work in the real world, In corporate America. I am up to my eyes in the real world so dont presume I am some 1st year Engineering student who thinks they know it all. I am not privy the the ppu cost of the X-Box so it could be coming down in price, I dont really know, But I do know it still cost at most retaillors about 269 dollars, where as you can get a PS2 for about 200$ (Both at BJ's price club).
As you have used the word theoretically decreasing I am assuming that you are also not privy to the ppu of the xbox either. My point is that for its use it is a piss poor design, and it were any other company but one with the pockets of MS I would already be a collectors item as most companines would (and should) not tolerate the losses it has had to absorb. By the time the X-Box is cash+, sony and Nintendo will be out with new systems that make X-Box look average, and then MS will have to build a newer better and again much more expensive one.
I back up everything I own, however backing up a PS2 game then requires me to use a mod chip to play the backup (I never use the origional).
I dont see sony and Nintendo trying to shut down companies in other countries for selling mod chips to their system.
As for ELF: You obviously are really really far to the left if you think loggers want to destroy the forest, (I suppose you think hunters want to kill all the game as well).
To say the ELF does not use terror is a joke, spiking a few trees to 'save' the forrest is terror. If your actions (tree spiking) result in the death of a human being who may not have even been in the forest (ofter cut down trees are taken to a mill) you are a murderer and according to people like you thats ok.
This is not **TOTALLY** an engineering failure, I am sure some bean counter is at fault as well. The xbox is overdesigned as a gaming console, hence they are losing much more money per unit than anybody else in the market. This is not a good design.
When I say its bad engineering I am talking about the organisations engineering process not the individule engineers designing a board. The process clearly failed, you have created a product which if sold at a reasonable loss could not compete in the market.
To my mind the best product is the one which best fits the use it was designed for, not one which is so overdesigned it can not survive at a competative price. Innovation is not throwing a ton of money at a problem, its finding a way to do it in an affordable manner.
Take a Sports car, if you are designing for the rich its ok to build out a very very expensive spec, but you have to charge for it. You can build a BMW and expect it to compete with a Dodge Neon at price.
IEEE, HKN (I to am an Engineer)..
Yea because its not like there is an 'e' key anywhere near the 's', oh wait there is..
Kinda like that southpark: stan "dude I all for tollerance and all that other gay shit, but you have sex with children".
ELF: Putting spikes in trees which can kill a human being if hit with a saw blade is terror. Threating to burn down someone property because you dont like where they live is terror. And if you give money to the ELF to mop their floors that frees up floor moping money they already had to go destroy someone elses property.
They are Oficially on the terrorist watch list and have been on it long before 9/11..
Funny cartoon, point taken..
A president ofter writes a Bill for congress to consider. He can of course not take part in a leg session, but the reality of how it works oftern starts at the white hose and not capitol hill..
Well dipshit, I own legally everything I use. you are a perfect fit for M$ a moron who thinks everyone is a tiheif who does not want you in their buisness..
Well as you are an intrusive, rude, and self rightous asshole, there is another alternative. You get the hell out of where I put my games or what I do to a piece of hardware I put good money out for. You just turn your sorry ass around and get the hell outta my house. Now you dont need to waste the time and effort telling me what to do with **MY** time and **MONEY**, and you no onger need to yell at others to support a shitty buisness model.
oic, I did misread...
No clue, I dont own an xbox. But if I did and I could I would want to back up my games, or I might want to run an OS on it (its a pretty good piece of hardware).
the reason XBox is losing more money for longer than PS2 is because PS2 was better engineered to fulfil the market requirements as a reasonable cost.
I started this when I bought a game (civ2) which got scratched a short time later and I was told tuff by the company (I dont think they should have to replace it but if they dont have to I should be able to back it up).
I need to make back ups of my games because I have a little brother who loves sand papaer, or an amerous english pug who is eyeing my game collection.. its non of your damn buisness why I need backups.
That being said if I give a game to little Billy I have just stolen from you, the thing is in America we are innocent until proven guilty.
The personal property cry is not 'childish' If I use my property in a legal way, to do legal things on Ihave every right. There are few rights more fundimental than property.
So now I am saying to myself, how do I make money with the expensive piece of crap? Ok I will sign a deal with people who want to make games for my system.
So your question is what would I do? I would not get into a market against superior competition (in this case Nintendo, and Sony) with a product which is so poorly engineered that it cost much more per unit than any one elses, tie myself to slaes of accessories (not even my products) and hope I could use a legal club to keep people from using it any other way than the one which fits my piss poor Buisness plan.
M$ got big on chance, the mistakes of others (Apple), and stolen source code. They have smartly used their opponets weaknesses to maintain and expand their influence.