Good god, man. You're just plain ignoring logic. We're talking about market revenue, not number of stations and you won't shake this 6% number, which doesn't even apply. "Let's say Microsoft has only one operating system. There are twenty other operating systems. So Microsoft owns 5% of all operating systems. Ergo, Microsoft is not even close to market-dominance.":)
Good luck to you and your Clear Channel buddies in your holy crusade to bring the catchiest 20 songs on eternal repeat to every number on the radio dial!
Get over it. Some people like different stuff than you do. That's the way it works out. There is no imaginary cabal at work.
No, there's no imaginary cabal at work. Did I imply the existance of some spooky conspiracy at work in the ranks of CC? All of the information I need to look badly upon CC is in the numbers, publically available.
You frustratingly fail to admit that Clear Channel is market dominant. We need to agree on the market which is being talked about, since you seem to believe that it includes ALL radio stations, whether they be sports, talk radio, religious, etc, of which Clear Channel, as you say, may only own 6%. The market of which I, as well as others who refer to Clear Channel as 'market-dominant', am referring to is the popular rock, hip-hop, adult contemporary, and classic rock stations (more may exist, but hopefully you get the idea.)
Given that Clear Channel takes in 70% of the revenue from the aforementioned market, it follows by definition that Clear Channel is market-dominant.
This would not be quite so bad if Clear Channel didn't leverage this market-dominance to gain dominance in other markets--namely in live music revenue. This is not illegal if the government doesn't say it is. It's just a question of ethics. However if this Sherman Act argument, which the above poster mentioned, is valid, then Clear Channel's actions are illegal. That's up to lawyers to decide.
Which brings me to my main point: Clear Channel is going to get a lot of criticism from people who aren't happy with being inundated with music and radio formats which they feel aren't interesting. CC's market-dominance is a major part of the problem and will be a tool used by CC-critics to attack Clear Channel. That's something that you and your buddies at Clear Channel are going to have to get over.
How about this for an idea: Tell your boss to start some indie-music channels in your major broadcasting areas! Think of the potential in marketing to indie-listeners and in public relations to critics! Start some "free-radio" indie stations! Address your critics, don't weasle your way around their arguments; start a new trend in the corporate landscape!
Ok, so you'd rather sit back and explain to the customer why THEY are the ones who are wrong; why Titanic *must* have been the best movie of 1997 (because it won an Oscar, of course. Why did it win an oscar? Because it was the best movie of the year! And why was it the best movie of the year? It won an Oscar!)? This is exactly why monopolies were made illegal in the first place and precisely the reason CC is getting so much crap.
Yeah right. The poster above you has already stated that clear-channel has something like 60% of the popular music ad revenue. I've heard 70%, but I won't argue that point and neither did you.
He says, "By threatening vulnerable artists and labels with reduced or off-hours air play on the only stations likely to air their songs, Clear Channel pressures artists, labels and concert venues into sweetheart deals with its promotions arm." Rather than refuting this claim, you say to him simply that this is A "pressure" that can be avoided by going to the other 94% of stations that are not Clear Channel. You should correctly be stating that the pressure can be avoided by going to stations generating the other 30% of the ad revenue for that particular market, not 94%, which would include talk radio, religious stations, etc...
Its difficult to argue that Clear Channel has done anything illegal. Clear Channel's effects should be looked at more from a sociological or ethical standpoint, rather than legal, and then the company will appear far more disturbing.
Like most large, market-dominating companies, they abuse their dominance-- they abuse their media outlets to give unfair advantage to their non-media enterprises (the venues).
Sociologically speaking, and this is where it can get Orwellian, they create a "lowest-common-denominator" listening audience by continually repeating some of the most mundane songs across their Majority of pop-music stations. It is marketing paradise when a company knows that 95% of their audience, whether the audience likes it or not, is familiar with the latest Celine Dion (remember the Titanic media circus? It wasn't that good of a movie, was it?) or Britney Spears (Pepsi's advertising-puppet). The impact on our culture can easily be seen in the list of Grammy and Oscar nominations (especially the Grammy's!).
Anyway, I could write a huge essay on this matter, but I won't waste my time.
Posting the catalogs at high compression/ low quality isn't a good idea for the consumer. How can you tell its good if the quality is low? How can you tell that what you may actually purchase is better than the low-quality give-away? I still think the best way to judge new music is through word-of-mouth and through reviewers with integrity.
Lowering the price of CDs is another great thing. I'd heard good thing about the Franz Ferdinand CD, passed it on the shelf for under $10 and said what the heck its only $10 (better than that $18 Stones or Dylan re-issue of a 30+ yo album! Jeez)
This is a good point. I'm happy to see something getting JSR status however. If it becomes a standard, perhaps more work will be done to add the language as a possible JSP scriplet alternative and what's more the compiler may be made more efficient than Jython's (which I haven't had the opportunity to try yet, but I hear that there exist some limitations on the code to be compiled... is this true?).
Wouldn't it be nice to have a community supported alternative to Java? Or even a language integrated tightly into Eclipse to implement quick and dirty scripts? The language could be integrated into IDEs for faster IDE customization and extension in the same way that Emacs supports Lisp.
The hotmail thing was tolerable, afai concerned... has anyone tried using their ISPs? Man, that was the worst few weeks of my life. It was like playing internet roulette-- will it work today or will I be spending an hour at work tomorrow morning catching up on my internet stuff?
I only signed up because they send a free modem instead of having to pay $50 extra for another ISP. Eventually I got Qwest.net and I haven't had any problems.
Was anyone using msn.net in Seattle and had similar troubles?
I've been learning OCaml on my own for the past several weeks and I've been wondering many of the things that this book seems to address, such as how the functional paradigm solves common problems differently than the imperative. I know first-class functions can significantly reduce the amount of code needed in many procedures...
I guess what I'm saying is that I've used languages like Perl and Python considerably and ignored the functional aspects of the language, probably much to my disadvantage. I think a good study of a purely functional language could really improve my perl, python, or ruby.
That's what I thought at first. I did some investigation. I researched the backgrounds of some of the lead developers. Turns out that none of them had ever written any perl. My next guess was prolog, but upon downloading the source, printing it out, and spending all day at the library sifting through the hundreds of pages, I discovered that the entire thing was actually written in a language called Ruby. You can imagine my surprise.
What's next, a browser written in Ruby? A ruby interpreter written entirely in Ruby?
this, but how in the heck can you exploit a buffer overload to get full access to a system?! I've gone over it a million times in my head and can't think of a way to do anything but crash the program!
how do they handle CDs with lots of "filler" (like 30 s) or even short tracks (~2.5 m)? The new Best of Guided By Voices CD is one cd with 33 tracks on it. Does that mean its $33 purchased electronically?
I agree, pitchforkmedia.com is more often than not right on the mark and their reviews are interesting to read. Compare Pitchfork's reviews to The Onion's AV Club. Talk about pretentious esotericism (as your other reply remarked)! I can rarely tell if they even like the album or not because of all of the arcane references and stylistic baggage.
Another good way to find good music is through Amazon's recommendations. If you take a few sessions to check off all of the albums you have, it gives you pretty good recommendations of albums you might like. Cross reference these results with Pitchfork and I almost always come away from the CD store with some gems (mostly music I'd hadn't even heard yet).
I beg to differ. 2003 has been an INCREDIBLE year for original and innovative music (mostly on indie or foreign labels) no matter what style you prefer. Keep in mind that almost every album on this list will never get air-time outside of the college radio channels. Also keep in mind that Clear Channel determines most of what you hear on the radio and they pander to the lowest common denominator. Radio is almost dead, so use these 'best of' lists as a guide for buying the 'good' music. Look them up on amazon and pitchforkmedia.com for descriptions. Do some research.
If you're interested in hearing some really amazing albums of today's 'underground' then check out The Rapture, Books, Prefuse 73 or Radiohead. These all appear on the list. Then there's my personal favorite of the year Guided By Voices' 'Best of...' album.
On the other hand, if you're not interested in hearing todays' great music then SHUT THE FUCK UP and quit complaining. You sound like my grandmother.
This story really caught my attention because just last night I tried to use Wikipedia. It was so slow as to be unusable. My first thought was to look for a mirror; there aren't any.
My second thought was that they could offer a subscription service. I'm sure thousands of people would pay $5 a month. Or they could charge by the page, ala Slashdot. If they want to maintain their non-profit status (which I believe they should), they could donate what they don't use to charity or something, but a small subscription fee would give them more than enough cash for hardware.
Plus, I agree with the above poster, the $20k seems a little high for operating expenses, unless they're figuring in future bandwidth costs, in which case they should say so.
In the meantime, I will gladly donate $50 or so. I think its one of the best resources on the web and it would be a shame to see it go. Good luck, Wikipedia!
Here is a link to a interesting article by Paul Prescod which explains the significance of SVG in the vector graphics market. Despite Flash's success and Microsoft's monopoly advantage as they enter the market, there will still be a single open format by which vector graphics may be transmitted between applications. At this time, Adobe products, OpenOffice, to name some big supporters, allow conversion to SVG. It makes sense to have a open-standardized transmission language for vector graphic formats, even if nobody actually implements a viewer/creater for the format!
there just aren't enough good and stable API's [in other languages]
I often forget, among all of the reasons I use Java for server-side development, the one major advantage, in my opinion, of using Java. The JCP takes commonly-used APIs and moves them into the standard library, so that I, as a developer, must no longer spend time tracking down common APIs. The interfaces are set in stone and there is one place to look for updates to specifications... the java.sun page. This saves a lot of time in development and maintenance.
What worries me most about Java is its future. I'm concerned that the flurry of third-party code generators along with the addition of meta-tags is going to kill Java's code-portability and become a rich source of third-party vendor lockin. I'm afraid that code written by one person may be indecipherable to another person due to reckless inclusion of obscure meta-tags.
Does anyone else see this as a problem? When you follow the "code as the primary development document"-doctrine as I prefer to do, I want to be able to read every line of the actual source code. Then I want to be able to compile the primary document-- the source code. When using meta-tags the code itself is instantly readable by the person who wrote it, but the compilation process becomes fragmented into layers of pre-compilation. The code itself is no longer portable this way.
Sorry, this is incoherent, but its my daily slashdot-with-first-cup-of-coffee wake-up time.
I've had the fortune of browsing through much of his book online and look forward to purchasing it.
In response to your comment-- yes there are a ton of software development books on the market. While many are valuable in expositing general rules of software development, regardless of platform, I have encountered nothing in the realm of high-level development ideologies for UNIX-based systems.
The difference is in the long and convoluted history of UNIX and in the common use of 20+ year old tools on a daily basis. One idea of Unix is that a software tool should do one thing and do it well and that Bash/Perl/etc will glue it to other components. Another idea is the notion of running software as a daemon or client/server pair. Newbies to Unix systems might find these ideas foreign when they come from Mac & Windows backgrounds.
Then there is the strange open-source development process (No, CatB is NOT obvious to everyone, as the writer of the review stated. I would guess that a minority of business leaders understand the open source philosophy)
There are going to be a lot of people migrating from Windows to Unix in the coming years and a lot of developers looking for a useful resource to help make sense of the long history and peculiarities of Unix. I am guessing this book is going to be in the bookstores for a long long time.
The secret is to act tall. I'm 5'5", but I have a pretty good salary because I act tall. I complain about my clothes being too tight and not being able to fit into airplane seats. I also try to bump my head on light fixtures and other stuff that's hung really low and then complain loudly about why they have to hang stuff so low.
Oh, and I forgot one giant feature we may get to see if Java goes open-source: Multiple applications under one JVM! Sun is working this out although I think they're reluctant to release anything due to issues with security and stability. An open-source developer may be less reluctant. This may be equivalent to having a JVM running as a service and would allow almost perl-like load-times if you want to script in Jython or JRuby or something. Having an unstable JVM like this may not be such a big deal if you're not running critical business applications and I think it would allow languages like Jython to take off as scripting languages.
Jikes is reportedly faster than Sun's JVM and may have better memory management. Many have said they were disappointed with their application's performance, but when they ran it under Jikes, it was like a breath of fresh air. I've heard no portability advantages since Sun does a good job developing for just about every popularly used OS. Open source code could be ported anywhere there's a compiler, of course.
My hope is that an open source solution would allow for further experimentation with the JIT compiler (compiling byte code to native code on the fly) could actually result in faster JVM code than C code (disregarding load times of course). Experimenters may also find tricks to speed up and improve the GUI as well, which Java seriously needs.
What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" That's another right that needs to be preserved in this case. You don't know he was just having a look around just like you don't know he wasn't sucking lines of coke at the same time either.
They need to fine the guy for what they proved that he actually did and if information turns up missing or posted on the internet later on, then they'll have a pretty good idea of who was responsible.
I have absolutely no sympathy for this guy and hope he gets the book thrown at him
Is it because he has embarrassed you by lessening your company's technical credibility? I'm not trying to troll, but I wonder if $300k really is a realistic fine to apply to someone who essentially is just spraying graffiti, breaking and entering and having a look around.
Slashdot is not supporting this behavior, only trying to keep the possible wild misuse of government and corporate power in check. Most 'script-kiddies', at worst, are just nerds who perhaps need a public playground for their talents. Let's keep some perspective. That's what slashdot is about.
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It seems to go either way. Hemingway's unpublished writings were a goldmine. In the past few years Charles Bukowski and John Fante have had unpublished stuff released and it was wonderful. In music, you can point to Dylan's bootleg series and unreleased basement tapes, about 5 regular albums' worth of music all better than some of his 80's official releases. Oh, and ALL of Kerouac's pre-'On the Road' novels (about 8 books) were passed over by publishers before being published in light of On the Road's success. Nabokav's Lolita would have remained unpublished as a mere artistic exercise had it not been for his wife's urging.
Releasing posthumous or 'early' material is a common enough practice in the arts that we should learn to look forward to it. If anything it gives diehard fans and scholars a chance to see beyond what the artist deemed acceptable or beyond what publishers at the time deemed acceptable.
That said, I've never read any Heinlein and want to know what a good book is of his to start with. I've just been getting into Asimov and George RR Martin lately and am looking forward to reading another great SciFi author. How does Heinlein compare to Asimov?
Object relational bridge packages commonly require code generation or xml files in order to be used. I have been working on one that doesn't use code generation or xml files.
My question is, wouldn't developers rather use purely object-based packages, if they could, rather than code generators? I believe purely object-based packages could work for most Object/relational tasks and simple compilers. The code becomes more portable and maintainable and doesn't require the extra training for use of the code generator.
What is the concensus on this? Especially in corporate development environments?
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Good luck to you and your Clear Channel buddies in your holy crusade to bring the catchiest 20 songs on eternal repeat to every number on the radio dial!
No, there's no imaginary cabal at work. Did I imply the existance of some spooky conspiracy at work in the ranks of CC? All of the information I need to look badly upon CC is in the numbers, publically available.
You frustratingly fail to admit that Clear Channel is market dominant. We need to agree on the market which is being talked about, since you seem to believe that it includes ALL radio stations, whether they be sports, talk radio, religious, etc, of which Clear Channel, as you say, may only own 6%. The market of which I, as well as others who refer to Clear Channel as 'market-dominant', am referring to is the popular rock, hip-hop, adult contemporary, and classic rock stations (more may exist, but hopefully you get the idea.)
Given that Clear Channel takes in 70% of the revenue from the aforementioned market, it follows by definition that Clear Channel is market-dominant.
This would not be quite so bad if Clear Channel didn't leverage this market-dominance to gain dominance in other markets--namely in live music revenue. This is not illegal if the government doesn't say it is. It's just a question of ethics. However if this Sherman Act argument, which the above poster mentioned, is valid, then Clear Channel's actions are illegal. That's up to lawyers to decide.
Which brings me to my main point: Clear Channel is going to get a lot of criticism from people who aren't happy with being inundated with music and radio formats which they feel aren't interesting. CC's market-dominance is a major part of the problem and will be a tool used by CC-critics to attack Clear Channel. That's something that you and your buddies at Clear Channel are going to have to get over.
How about this for an idea: Tell your boss to start some indie-music channels in your major broadcasting areas! Think of the potential in marketing to indie-listeners and in public relations to critics! Start some "free-radio" indie stations! Address your critics, don't weasle your way around their arguments; start a new trend in the corporate landscape!
Ok, so you'd rather sit back and explain to the customer why THEY are the ones who are wrong; why Titanic *must* have been the best movie of 1997 (because it won an Oscar, of course. Why did it win an oscar? Because it was the best movie of the year! And why was it the best movie of the year? It won an Oscar!)? This is exactly why monopolies were made illegal in the first place and precisely the reason CC is getting so much crap.
Yeah right. The poster above you has already stated that clear-channel has something like 60% of the popular music ad revenue. I've heard 70%, but I won't argue that point and neither did you.
He says, "By threatening vulnerable artists and labels with reduced or off-hours air play on the only stations likely to air their songs, Clear Channel pressures artists, labels and concert venues into sweetheart deals with its promotions arm." Rather than refuting this claim, you say to him simply that this is A "pressure" that can be avoided by going to the other 94% of stations that are not Clear Channel. You should correctly be stating that the pressure can be avoided by going to stations generating the other 30% of the ad revenue for that particular market, not 94%, which would include talk radio, religious stations, etc...
Its difficult to argue that Clear Channel has done anything illegal. Clear Channel's effects should be looked at more from a sociological or ethical standpoint, rather than legal, and then the company will appear far more disturbing.
Like most large, market-dominating companies, they abuse their dominance-- they abuse their media outlets to give unfair advantage to their non-media enterprises (the venues).
Sociologically speaking, and this is where it can get Orwellian, they create a "lowest-common-denominator" listening audience by continually repeating some of the most mundane songs across their Majority of pop-music stations. It is marketing paradise when a company knows that 95% of their audience, whether the audience likes it or not, is familiar with the latest Celine Dion (remember the Titanic media circus? It wasn't that good of a movie, was it?) or Britney Spears (Pepsi's advertising-puppet). The impact on our culture can easily be seen in the list of Grammy and Oscar nominations (especially the Grammy's!).
Anyway, I could write a huge essay on this matter, but I won't waste my time.
Lowering the price of CDs is another great thing. I'd heard good thing about the Franz Ferdinand CD, passed it on the shelf for under $10 and said what the heck its only $10 (better than that $18 Stones or Dylan re-issue of a 30+ yo album! Jeez)
Wouldn't it be nice to have a community supported alternative to Java? Or even a language integrated tightly into Eclipse to implement quick and dirty scripts? The language could be integrated into IDEs for faster IDE customization and extension in the same way that Emacs supports Lisp.
I only signed up because they send a free modem instead of having to pay $50 extra for another ISP. Eventually I got Qwest.net and I haven't had any problems.
Was anyone using msn.net in Seattle and had similar troubles?
I remember when I had my own website, and a young Cowboyneal asked to 'mirror' it for me...
I guess what I'm saying is that I've used languages like Perl and Python considerably and ignored the functional aspects of the language, probably much to my disadvantage. I think a good study of a purely functional language could really improve my perl, python, or ruby.
What's next, a browser written in Ruby? A ruby interpreter written entirely in Ruby?
this, but how in the heck can you exploit a buffer overload to get full access to a system?! I've gone over it a million times in my head and can't think of a way to do anything but crash the program!
how do they handle CDs with lots of "filler" (like 30 s) or even short tracks (~2.5 m)? The new Best of Guided By Voices CD is one cd with 33 tracks on it. Does that mean its $33 purchased electronically?
Another good way to find good music is through Amazon's recommendations. If you take a few sessions to check off all of the albums you have, it gives you pretty good recommendations of albums you might like. Cross reference these results with Pitchfork and I almost always come away from the CD store with some gems (mostly music I'd hadn't even heard yet).
If you're interested in hearing some really amazing albums of today's 'underground' then check out The Rapture, Books, Prefuse 73 or Radiohead. These all appear on the list. Then there's my personal favorite of the year Guided By Voices' 'Best of...' album.
On the other hand, if you're not interested in hearing todays' great music then SHUT THE FUCK UP and quit complaining. You sound like my grandmother.
My second thought was that they could offer a subscription service. I'm sure thousands of people would pay $5 a month. Or they could charge by the page, ala Slashdot. If they want to maintain their non-profit status (which I believe they should), they could donate what they don't use to charity or something, but a small subscription fee would give them more than enough cash for hardware.
Plus, I agree with the above poster, the $20k seems a little high for operating expenses, unless they're figuring in future bandwidth costs, in which case they should say so.
In the meantime, I will gladly donate $50 or so. I think its one of the best resources on the web and it would be a shame to see it go. Good luck, Wikipedia!
Here is a link to a interesting article by Paul Prescod which explains the significance of SVG in the vector graphics market. Despite Flash's success and Microsoft's monopoly advantage as they enter the market, there will still be a single open format by which vector graphics may be transmitted between applications. At this time, Adobe products, OpenOffice, to name some big supporters, allow conversion to SVG. It makes sense to have a open-standardized transmission language for vector graphic formats, even if nobody actually implements a viewer/creater for the format!
What worries me most about Java is its future. I'm concerned that the flurry of third-party code generators along with the addition of meta-tags is going to kill Java's code-portability and become a rich source of third-party vendor lockin. I'm afraid that code written by one person may be indecipherable to another person due to reckless inclusion of obscure meta-tags.
Does anyone else see this as a problem? When you follow the "code as the primary development document"-doctrine as I prefer to do, I want to be able to read every line of the actual source code. Then I want to be able to compile the primary document-- the source code. When using meta-tags the code itself is instantly readable by the person who wrote it, but the compilation process becomes fragmented into layers of pre-compilation. The code itself is no longer portable this way.
Sorry, this is incoherent, but its my daily slashdot-with-first-cup-of-coffee wake-up time.
In response to your comment-- yes there are a ton of software development books on the market. While many are valuable in expositing general rules of software development, regardless of platform, I have encountered nothing in the realm of high-level development ideologies for UNIX-based systems.
The difference is in the long and convoluted history of UNIX and in the common use of 20+ year old tools on a daily basis. One idea of Unix is that a software tool should do one thing and do it well and that Bash/Perl/etc will glue it to other components. Another idea is the notion of running software as a daemon or client/server pair. Newbies to Unix systems might find these ideas foreign when they come from Mac & Windows backgrounds.
Then there is the strange open-source development process (No, CatB is NOT obvious to everyone, as the writer of the review stated. I would guess that a minority of business leaders understand the open source philosophy)
There are going to be a lot of people migrating from Windows to Unix in the coming years and a lot of developers looking for a useful resource to help make sense of the long history and peculiarities of Unix. I am guessing this book is going to be in the bookstores for a long long time.
The secret is to act tall. I'm 5'5", but I have a pretty good salary because I act tall. I complain about my clothes being too tight and not being able to fit into airplane seats. I also try to bump my head on light fixtures and other stuff that's hung really low and then complain loudly about why they have to hang stuff so low.
I just checked and it seems to be true, though there may be some issues with it.
Oh, and I forgot one giant feature we may get to see if Java goes open-source: Multiple applications under one JVM! Sun is working this out although I think they're reluctant to release anything due to issues with security and stability. An open-source developer may be less reluctant. This may be equivalent to having a JVM running as a service and would allow almost perl-like load-times if you want to script in Jython or JRuby or something. Having an unstable JVM like this may not be such a big deal if you're not running critical business applications and I think it would allow languages like Jython to take off as scripting languages.
My hope is that an open source solution would allow for further experimentation with the JIT compiler (compiling byte code to native code on the fly) could actually result in faster JVM code than C code (disregarding load times of course). Experimenters may also find tricks to speed up and improve the GUI as well, which Java seriously needs.
They need to fine the guy for what they proved that he actually did and if information turns up missing or posted on the internet later on, then they'll have a pretty good idea of who was responsible.
Is it because he has embarrassed you by lessening your company's technical credibility? I'm not trying to troll, but I wonder if $300k really is a realistic fine to apply to someone who essentially is just spraying graffiti, breaking and entering and having a look around.
Slashdot is not supporting this behavior, only trying to keep the possible wild misuse of government and corporate power in check. Most 'script-kiddies', at worst, are just nerds who perhaps need a public playground for their talents. Let's keep some perspective. That's what slashdot is about.
Releasing posthumous or 'early' material is a common enough practice in the arts that we should learn to look forward to it. If anything it gives diehard fans and scholars a chance to see beyond what the artist deemed acceptable or beyond what publishers at the time deemed acceptable.
That said, I've never read any Heinlein and want to know what a good book is of his to start with. I've just been getting into Asimov and George RR Martin lately and am looking forward to reading another great SciFi author. How does Heinlein compare to Asimov?
Object relational bridge packages commonly require code generation or xml files in order to be used. I have been working on one that doesn't use code generation or xml files. My question is, wouldn't developers rather use purely object-based packages, if they could, rather than code generators? I believe purely object-based packages could work for most Object/relational tasks and simple compilers. The code becomes more portable and maintainable and doesn't require the extra training for use of the code generator. What is the concensus on this? Especially in corporate development environments?