"Why are Microsoft products so endlessly frustrating to use? Even techno-geeks like me get annoyed by Windows. I?m tired of spending the first 10 minutes of my day rebooting just so I can get to work. Microsoft Outlook 2003, the latest version of the company?s e-mail and calendar software, hangs for me about once a day, requiring me to restart my PC. I also have a problem with Word 2003: Whenever I bullet a line of text, every line in the document gets a bullet. Asking Windows to shut down is more of a request than a command?it might, it might not. And recently, Internet Explorer stopped opening for me. "
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hey, Windows trolls, HERE IS THE TRUTH! Read it and weep, suckers!
Mod this flamebait, mod this troll!
Is that all you got, huh? Are you nuts? Come at me!
Having been through all that - including Federal prison time - but not including actually filing for bankruptcy, which is really a good solution until the state cut the legs out from under that approach - I don't take it lightly.
My point stands: if you get hit, you get hit and there's nothing you can do about it but say so and move on.
Answer: You don't. You tell the idiots who accepted somebody else as you that they're shit out of luck getting any money out of you and they'd better start looking for the guy who took them to the cleaners.
Which they should have done in the first place.
Of course, it's a hassle TELLING all these people that...
What isn't necessarily good is not being told you HAVE a choice or what the choice IS or what the risk/benefits of the choices are.
Which is obviously the problem here - NOT choice.
Also "free software" DOES mean freedom of choice - pay money or not to pay money, get source or not to get source. Commercial software is NOT about choice - you pay, you don't get source (except in some cases, of course) - period.
"Who wants to live forever?" (That was a Queen song from "Highlander", a movie about immortals,BTW) I do, moron.
Overpopulation? Not when we Transhumanists get through with you monkeys. Your population will be nicely culled, thank you - assuming you don't do it first with your brain-dead wars and inability to cooperate well enough to feed yourselves.
Cloning? Au contraire, mon frere - cloning produces an entirely independent entity - does nothing for immortalizing YOU - unless you brain transplant which raises issues about the clone's brain. And it still leaves you biological and just as subject to death as the next clone.
The only solution to immortality is direct replacement of human biology with nanotech - body, brain, the works - non-destructive, fault-tolerant, failure-tolerant, restartable and resurrectable procedures only.
This will be done.
And whatever you monkeys think about it is irrelevant.
Just what we need - live direct porn straight from the bedroom/studio to the nearest phone next to you on the bus!
The Christians are gonna love this! Hey, Ashcroft! Wanna move from Justice over to the FCC? Oh, wait, Powell's already there!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seriously, folks, it will be ten or twenty years before this tech is *allowed* in the US...if ever.
A few more years of the Japanese doing this sort of thing, and they may find US troops standing on THEIR street-corners shooting civilians at checkpoints.
What I don't understand is why the rest of the browsers don't at least TRY to support the IE extensions, no matter how non-standard or braindead they may be. You simply cannot overcome the dominance of IE in the browser market by saying "You all need to support standards".
IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! "You all" ain't gonna do anything together. All these idiots putting up Web sites are using FrontPage and IE and they are NOT LISTENING TO YOU!
Wake up and smell the shit.
Start supporting the IE/FrontPage crap so other browsers can at least TRY to get some marketshare from IE by competing on their OTHER far superior features and THEN try to roll back Microsoft-based site crap.
Going the other way is NOT going to work!
Either that or wait for Linux to drop Windows forever which is going to take another ten years at least...
Stop standing on pointless principle and start fighting back.
The guys that crashed the planes in NY were aided by the same guys who produced the Patriot Act.
No surprise there.
Ever heard of the "Reichstag Fire"?
The fact that anybody can even question conspiracy theory in this case is an example of human stupidity and fear.
The neocons demanded a "Pearl Harbor" in their PNAC document - they got one. The Mossad followed the Arabs around for months insuring they got what they needed and didn't tell us a damn thing until two weeks before the attack (to cover their asses).
Now in the last couple weeks, Israelis are being arrested in the US trying to get onto a submarine base and throwing bombs at cops in the South during car chases, and Ashcroft is telling us we have "Al Qaeda" agents ready to strike again.
Coincidence? Sure, right, no doubt about it...
Anybody who doesn't comprehend what's going on here is a moron. Period.
Hey, muggers don't mug you when the cops are watching. So the cops won't see you shoot him, right?
Just make sure you get the gun untraceably from a third party, and make sure you replace the firing pin, extractor, and barrel afterward. Or even just destroy the entire piece and get a new one.
Besides, displaying the piece to the mugger is likely to result in his fleeing and you don't even have to shoot him.
It's either get mugged or get arrested in this world - that's the reality and the result of the "rule of law".
What I make it sound like is what it is - Gates knew the value of the OS - Seattle didn't. Why? Because he withheld that information while simultaneously telling them that changing the deal from a lease to a sale would not materially change the outcome for them. A few years later MS was doing a couple hundred million a year in DOS - and Seattle didn't see a dime of it. Arguably this is close to fraud. It certainly is what would be called a "sharp deal".
If you think this is reasonable business behavior, remind me not to ever do business with you - or Gates.
Well, actually, DOS was written by Seattle Computer Products, and the RIGHTS to it were "stolen" - i.e., by contract trickery and Bill's failing to inform Seattle that he had been approached by IBM to buy rights to it - which he did not own at the time.
While it is true that one can say Bill had no obligation to inform Seattle of the value of their own product, his behavior in crossing out all the "lease" language in the contract and substituting "buy" and then informing Seattle that they could still "have nonexclusive rights" was disingenuous to say the least - if not outright fraud.
You read the way this asshole does business - he once told Heidi Rozen, "Never tell me anything I can use against you." - and you'd know never to do business with him. Sadly, a number of companies have made that mistake and paid for it with lost sales and lawsuits and bankruptcy.
Maybe they can prevent Opera crashing every time I go to The Register site.
Don't get me wrong, I like Opera and rarely use anything else - but it's getting irritating. I see all these improvements to various usability matters and email and news handling that I don't care about (because I use other programs for those things) in Opera 7.5 but short shrift given to INTEROPERABILITY with sites that write to IE specs. THAT is where Opera needs to focus its efforts if it wants to get more market share versus IE.
There were no Microsoft bugs involved in this case and Microsoft has nothing to do with it.
And nobody hates Microsoft more than I do.
The bottom line is that partition managers need to be especially well-written because they can seriously disrupt a system if they're not.
And it is clear that parted has problems that go beyond the latest kernel changes - although equally clearly someone should have thoroughly tested it with the latest kernel given that changes were made to the kernel HD geometry reporting. It should have been totally obvious to everyone involved with the decision to use the 2.6 kernel in a distro that the installer partitioning tools would need to be thoroughly tested with the new kernel's geometry reporting.
I'm quite familiar with this bug and aware of what caused it. Nothing about that changes the fact that people screwed up in this case.
My point about 'getting it right' was extended to refer to the problems I've had with Partition Magic and parted and the fact that partitions have been around for twenty years and your so-called "brilliant" programmers still screw up the manipulation of 512 bytes. Gimme a break. It has nothing to do with the kernel programmers or anybody else.
The poster said it was easy to screw up partitions with Linux because Linux has partitioning in the install. So does XP. And I provided the proof by my screwup.
That "partition alignment" warning is from parted - in my experience, it ALWAYS says that and it has apparently absolutely no meaning.
It's not the bootloader, it's parted that's the problem.
Partition your system using an external partition manager - NOT parted - and preferably format the partitions appropriately for Linux - and force your BIOS to use LBA mode instead of Auto or CHS. Then don't say yes anytime Anaconda wants to do something with the partitions - and hope it doesn't screw up and rewrite them anyway with the wrong parted info.
Right - never let Anaconda use parted to do partitioning - it's not reliable.
Partition using an external partition manager like BootItNG or Ranish or even fdisk, then install into pre-existing partitions.
However, supposedly Anaconda will have parted rewrite partition tables even if they aren't changed. If true, this is bad news. The only apparent solution to that is force the BIOS into LBA mode, instead of Auto or CHS before installing. Apparently this allows parted to not screw up at least in some cases.
The reason this worked for you is precisely as I have been recommending in posts on this topic - you used an external partition manager to set up your partitions first. Granted, it was QTParted which is merely parted with a GUI front-end, BUT since it was off the SystemRescueCD it was not using the 2.6 kernel - so the problem of parted not recognizing the 2.6 kernel BIOS HD geometry reporting changes did not bite you.
The rest of what you did merely avoided putting GRUB in the MBR - not really necessary as I doubt the problem has anything to do with GRUB.
I am running Windows 2000, Windows XP and Red Hat 7.3 with absolutely no problems.
LILO and GRUB can easily handle dual-booting - even triple booting (haven't tried quadruple-booting yet...:-)).
The problem here is the PARTITION MANAGER in the installer, NOT the kernel (well, not entirely the kernel - they did apparently change the BIOS HD geometry reporting) or the boot loaders.
The key to making Linux dual boot with Windows is to install Windows first in the order of releases - i.e., install 98 first, 2000 second and XP third - which allows the 2000 bootloader to pick up 98 and the XP bootloader to pick up 2000's bootloader - and THEN install Linux which allows LILO or GRUB to pick up the XP bootloader.
Sequence matters.
If you reinstall Windows over the LILO bootloader in the MBR, just boot into Linux with a boot diskette and rerun/sbin/lilo.
If, however, you reinstall one of the Windows in the sequence, you will have to reinstall the other Windows, since Microsoft doesn't know how to properly rebuild a bootloader menu. I had to reinstall Windows 2000 the other week and XP would no longer load. Also the XP bootloader would tell me that it was 2000 that wasn't loading and that the 2000 SYSTEM Registry hive was corrupt or missing. NONE of that was true. It was merely the XP bootloader screwing up. I tried rebuilding the bootloader menu using the utility in XP for this and it proceeded to put TWO copies of the menu in the menu - which was braindead. So I did a repair reinstall of XP and that fixed it. Then I reran LILO and it rebuilt it's (much more complicated) boot menu easily.
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Ah, but a five year old would have better sense than to claim he wrote it.
Only Brown is venal and stupid enough to write this claptrap.
Oh, wait, I forgot about Darl...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
"Why are Microsoft products so endlessly frustrating to use? Even techno-geeks like me get annoyed by Windows. I?m tired of spending the first 10 minutes of my day rebooting just so I can get to work. Microsoft Outlook 2003, the latest version of the company?s e-mail and calendar software, hangs for me about once a day, requiring me to restart my PC. I also have a problem with Word 2003: Whenever I bullet a line of text, every line in the document gets a bullet. Asking Windows to shut down is more of a request than a command?it might, it might not. And recently, Internet Explorer stopped opening for me. "
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hey, Windows trolls, HERE IS THE TRUTH! Read it and weep, suckers!
Mod this flamebait, mod this troll!
Is that all you got, huh? Are you nuts? Come at me!
Having been through all that - including Federal prison time - but not including actually filing for bankruptcy, which is really a good solution until the state cut the legs out from under that approach - I don't take it lightly.
My point stands: if you get hit, you get hit and there's nothing you can do about it but say so and move on.
You don't have a Net connection?
You just own the Windows CD and haven't actually installed it on anything yet?
Moron...
Aaahh, somebody explain to me why Microsoft would want a patent that applied only to clicking on their own hardware?
So if I make a PDA and doubleclick on an app to run it, I don't owe Microsoft money?
Yeah, right...that's how Bill thinks.
If you're poor, how do you pay the debt?
Answer: You don't. You tell the idiots who accepted somebody else as you that they're shit out of luck getting any money out of you and they'd better start looking for the guy who took them to the cleaners.
Which they should have done in the first place.
Of course, it's a hassle TELLING all these people that...
No, choice is always good.
What isn't necessarily good is not being told you HAVE a choice or what the choice IS or what the risk/benefits of the choices are.
Which is obviously the problem here - NOT choice.
Also "free software" DOES mean freedom of choice - pay money or not to pay money, get source or not to get source. Commercial software is NOT about choice - you pay, you don't get source (except in some cases, of course) - period.
So, yes, you're totally clueless.
"Who wants to live forever?" (That was a Queen song from "Highlander", a movie about immortals,BTW) I do, moron.
Overpopulation? Not when we Transhumanists get through with you monkeys. Your population will be nicely culled, thank you - assuming you don't do it first with your brain-dead wars and inability to cooperate well enough to feed yourselves.
Cloning? Au contraire, mon frere - cloning produces an entirely independent entity - does nothing for immortalizing YOU - unless you brain transplant which raises issues about the clone's brain. And it still leaves you biological and just as subject to death as the next clone.
The only solution to immortality is direct replacement of human biology with nanotech - body, brain, the works - non-destructive, fault-tolerant, failure-tolerant, restartable and resurrectable procedures only.
This will be done.
And whatever you monkeys think about it is irrelevant.
You're going to die. I won't.
Have a nice day.
Just what we need - live direct porn straight from the bedroom/studio to the nearest phone next to you on the bus!
The Christians are gonna love this! Hey, Ashcroft! Wanna move from Justice over to the FCC? Oh, wait, Powell's already there!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seriously, folks, it will be ten or twenty years before this tech is *allowed* in the US...if ever.
A few more years of the Japanese doing this sort of thing, and they may find US troops standing on THEIR street-corners shooting civilians at checkpoints.
Of course, think of the spam possibilities!
"There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now."
Change that to: Use in order of effectiveness - which means reverse order.
Get used to it. (I use Opera myself.)
What I don't understand is why the rest of the browsers don't at least TRY to support the IE extensions, no matter how non-standard or braindead they may be. You simply cannot overcome the dominance of IE in the browser market by saying "You all need to support standards".
IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! "You all" ain't gonna do anything together. All these idiots putting up Web sites are using FrontPage and IE and they are NOT LISTENING TO YOU!
Wake up and smell the shit.
Start supporting the IE/FrontPage crap so other browsers can at least TRY to get some marketshare from IE by competing on their OTHER far superior features and THEN try to roll back Microsoft-based site crap.
Going the other way is NOT going to work!
Either that or wait for Linux to drop Windows forever which is going to take another ten years at least...
Stop standing on pointless principle and start fighting back.
The guys that crashed the planes in NY were aided by the same guys who produced the Patriot Act.
No surprise there.
Ever heard of the "Reichstag Fire"?
The fact that anybody can even question conspiracy theory in this case is an example of human stupidity and fear.
The neocons demanded a "Pearl Harbor" in their PNAC document - they got one. The Mossad followed the Arabs around for months insuring they got what they needed and didn't tell us a damn thing until two weeks before the attack (to cover their asses).
Now in the last couple weeks, Israelis are being arrested in the US trying to get onto a submarine base and throwing bombs at cops in the South during car chases, and Ashcroft is telling us we have "Al Qaeda" agents ready to strike again.
Coincidence? Sure, right, no doubt about it...
Anybody who doesn't comprehend what's going on here is a moron. Period.
Hey, muggers don't mug you when the cops are watching. So the cops won't see you shoot him, right?
Just make sure you get the gun untraceably from a third party, and make sure you replace the firing pin, extractor, and barrel afterward. Or even just destroy the entire piece and get a new one.
Besides, displaying the piece to the mugger is likely to result in his fleeing and you don't even have to shoot him.
It's either get mugged or get arrested in this world - that's the reality and the result of the "rule of law".
I don't care where you live or what the laws are. A nice 12-shot (with high-capacity magazine, ten standard) .45 deals with muggers very nicely.
Just don't carry it in your laptop bag if you expect it to be snatched.
What I make it sound like is what it is - Gates knew the value of the OS - Seattle didn't. Why? Because he withheld that information while simultaneously telling them that changing the deal from a lease to a sale would not materially change the outcome for them. A few years later MS was doing a couple hundred million a year in DOS - and Seattle didn't see a dime of it. Arguably this is close to fraud. It certainly is what would be called a "sharp deal".
If you think this is reasonable business behavior, remind me not to ever do business with you - or Gates.
Well, actually, DOS was written by Seattle Computer Products, and the RIGHTS to it were "stolen" - i.e., by contract trickery and Bill's failing to inform Seattle that he had been approached by IBM to buy rights to it - which he did not own at the time.
While it is true that one can say Bill had no obligation to inform Seattle of the value of their own product, his behavior in crossing out all the "lease" language in the contract and substituting "buy" and then informing Seattle that they could still "have nonexclusive rights" was disingenuous to say the least - if not outright fraud.
You read the way this asshole does business - he once told Heidi Rozen, "Never tell me anything I can use against you." - and you'd know never to do business with him. Sadly, a number of companies have made that mistake and paid for it with lost sales and lawsuits and bankruptcy.
Maybe they can prevent Opera crashing every time I go to The Register site.
Don't get me wrong, I like Opera and rarely use anything else - but it's getting irritating. I see all these improvements to various usability matters and email and news handling that I don't care about (because I use other programs for those things) in Opera 7.5 but short shrift given to INTEROPERABILITY with sites that write to IE specs. THAT is where Opera needs to focus its efforts if it wants to get more market share versus IE.
I'll buy that for a dollar!
(For you RoboCop fans.)
There were no Microsoft bugs involved in this case and Microsoft has nothing to do with it.
And nobody hates Microsoft more than I do.
The bottom line is that partition managers need to be especially well-written because they can seriously disrupt a system if they're not.
And it is clear that parted has problems that go beyond the latest kernel changes - although equally clearly someone should have thoroughly tested it with the latest kernel given that changes were made to the kernel HD geometry reporting. It should have been totally obvious to everyone involved with the decision to use the 2.6 kernel in a distro that the installer partitioning tools would need to be thoroughly tested with the new kernel's geometry reporting.
I'm quite familiar with this bug and aware of what caused it. Nothing about that changes the fact that people screwed up in this case.
My point about 'getting it right' was extended to refer to the problems I've had with Partition Magic and parted and the fact that partitions have been around for twenty years and your so-called "brilliant" programmers still screw up the manipulation of 512 bytes. Gimme a break. It has nothing to do with the kernel programmers or anybody else.
Talk about arrogant.
You got it. That was the original poster's point, but I added there were legitimate reasons AS WELL.
Jesus, read the posts!
The poster said it was easy to screw up partitions with Linux because Linux has partitioning in the install. So does XP. And I provided the proof by my screwup.
Get it now?
That "partition alignment" warning is from parted - in my experience, it ALWAYS says that and it has apparently absolutely no meaning.
It's not the bootloader, it's parted that's the problem.
Partition your system using an external partition manager - NOT parted - and preferably format the partitions appropriately for Linux - and force your BIOS to use LBA mode instead of Auto or CHS. Then don't say yes anytime Anaconda wants to do something with the partitions - and hope it doesn't screw up and rewrite them anyway with the wrong parted info.
Right - never let Anaconda use parted to do partitioning - it's not reliable.
Partition using an external partition manager like BootItNG or Ranish or even fdisk, then install into pre-existing partitions.
However, supposedly Anaconda will have parted rewrite partition tables even if they aren't changed. If true, this is bad news. The only apparent solution to that is force the BIOS into LBA mode, instead of Auto or CHS before installing. Apparently this allows parted to not screw up at least in some cases.
The reason this worked for you is precisely as I have been recommending in posts on this topic - you used an external partition manager to set up your partitions first. Granted, it was QTParted which is merely parted with a GUI front-end, BUT since it was off the SystemRescueCD it was not using the 2.6 kernel - so the problem of parted not recognizing the 2.6 kernel BIOS HD geometry reporting changes did not bite you.
The rest of what you did merely avoided putting GRUB in the MBR - not really necessary as I doubt the problem has anything to do with GRUB.
WRONG.
/sbin/lilo.
I am running Windows 2000, Windows XP and Red Hat 7.3 with absolutely no problems.
LILO and GRUB can easily handle dual-booting - even triple booting (haven't tried quadruple-booting yet...:-)).
The problem here is the PARTITION MANAGER in the installer, NOT the kernel (well, not entirely the kernel - they did apparently change the BIOS HD geometry reporting) or the boot loaders.
The key to making Linux dual boot with Windows is to install Windows first in the order of releases - i.e., install 98 first, 2000 second and XP third - which allows the 2000 bootloader to pick up 98 and the XP bootloader to pick up 2000's bootloader - and THEN install Linux which allows LILO or GRUB to pick up the XP bootloader.
Sequence matters.
If you reinstall Windows over the LILO bootloader in the MBR, just boot into Linux with a boot diskette and rerun
If, however, you reinstall one of the Windows in the sequence, you will have to reinstall the other Windows, since Microsoft doesn't know how to properly rebuild a bootloader menu. I had to reinstall Windows 2000 the other week and XP would no longer load. Also the XP bootloader would tell me that it was 2000 that wasn't loading and that the 2000 SYSTEM Registry hive was corrupt or missing. NONE of that was true. It was merely the XP bootloader screwing up. I tried rebuilding the bootloader menu using the utility in XP for this and it proceeded to put TWO copies of the menu in the menu - which was braindead. So I did a repair reinstall of XP and that fixed it. Then I reran LILO and it rebuilt it's (much more complicated) boot menu easily.