True. I've been downloading music videos of The Corrs every day for a week off Usenet. Haven't been on a P2P network for months. Tons of stuff on Usenet that takes up all of my time. Got almost 100,000 pictures of babes on the hard drive. Got a couple old Elvis tunes. Got a ton of Tori Amos bootlegs from concert tour (amazing how people can use smugggled in mikes and DAT recorders to get really good bootlegs.)
P2P is not fraud - no one has ever even suggested it is. No one is offering anything on P2P networks under false pretences (except of course for bogus downloads by trolls, leeches, Madonna...and the RIAA)
to the ongoing controversy over the expropriation by the Justice Department in the 1980's of the INSLAW case management software, it's subsequent revision and dispersion to foreign nations such as Israel, and its apparent acquisition by terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden who is reportedly using it to evade capture and manage his financial support of terrorist networks including Al-Qaeda?
This situation has been referred to as "the largest software theft case in history" and therefore is relevant to the prosecution of intellectual property crimes, one would imagine.
Speaking of celery, one of the funniest lines in the book "Ultimate Rush" was when one hacker says to a Fed about another hacker, "He couldn't hack celery with a machete!"...
A man saw a little girl crying. He asks why. She says, "My dead grandfather came back to vote for Johnson but he didn't stop by to say hi to me!"
Or some such thing...
OTOH, right now Bush needs Billie boy to make sure he wins the next one. If that looks like it might not work - since apparently it will not be nationwide or even enough to leverage a close one - look for another "terrorist incident" - or better yet a war with North Korea or Iran - to surface about next August or September. Just enough time to win (well, for Iran, maybe, not North Korea) but not enough time for the failures to erode his popularity before the election. Bush knows the US public will not turn out a sitting President in the middle of a crisis...
I submit this story at 5:16 AM on Saturday, some "anonymous reader" submits it at 11 AM and he gets it. MY submission asked whether this sort of thing will stimulate more of the same from satellite hackers who already know how to do this which is more important than who is doing it to the US broadcasts to Iran.
There is no justice on Slashdot...
Go ahead, mod me down...Then stuff it up your ass...
What this kid has done, ANYONE ELSE can do - especially someone with the big bucks like Saddam (oh, wait, somebody here said he was dead a while back! Really? Who did the video the other day?) or Osama.
So what good does it do to classify his one lousy little dissertation?
Remember the Princeton kid that designed the feasible A-bomb? They restricted his stuff, too. Big deal. Anybody with the math background and access to a fucking Linux box today can duplicate that feat. You think terrorists can't get this information?
Get serious. The fact that this kid can be threatened with IMPRISONMENT BY FUCKING CEOS demonstrates that this country DESERVES to be trashed by terrorists!
The US is in the business of giving (some of) its secrets to anyone who might be a "useful" enemy in the future. The US LET the Chinese steal those nuclear secrets because the US WANTS the Chinese to be a credible nuclear threat in ten or fifteen years - just about the same time that the Chinese will be a credible ECONOMIC threat to the US economy - thereby justifying threats and war and political tinkering at home.
This is the standard government ploy - "You do everything we tell you to and give us everything you own, and we'll protect you from the bad people on the other side of the border and within our borders - and if there aren't any bad people, we'll make some."
The state is an extortion and protection racket, nothing more. ALL states are, without exception, throughout human history.
Therefore, it is no surprise that secrets get "leaked". Just as it is no surprise that weapons get sold to Iraq, Iran, nuclear reactors to North Korea by Rumsfeld's company, and so on...
But you monkeys just don't get it, do you? There's no sucker like an American sucker...
It'll all be evidence against him in his "unfair restraint of trade" lawsuit that someone will no doubt bring against SCO when they lose the IBM suit...
I predict that SCO will not be bought out and will not make big bucks suing people. I predict that THEY will be sued and brought to bankruptcy by the lawsuits within the next couple of years.
Besides, this is about mail clients. Most people use Outlook or Outlook Express. I use Eudora. When I switch to Linux, I'll probably use Evolution. Who cares? Corporations will use Microsoft until Windows is overthrown on the server and the desktop - period.
in general it will not work. While it might be used to protect "obvious" targets like the White House, Congress, and the Pentagon (which I presume is really what they want to protect), it does nothing to protect the hundreds of thousands of other possible targets. It is unlikely that the GPS coordinates of these targets would be in the system. Not to mention that this article discusses "no-fly" zones and NOT just any building someone wants to make a "no-fly zone". If the landing patterns of a major international airport near a major city require flying over that city, it is unlikely that the buildings in that area can be designated a no-fly zone. So all a terrorist needs to do is seize the aircraft, fly in on his normal landing pattern until he's over the city, then blow up the plane and/or drop it on his target.
There was one of these military novels a few years ago that had terrorists actually BUYING older aircraft and crashing them into the Fed Ex distribution center with a few thousand pounds of explosive and fuel on them just to be able to short the stock market on airline and Fed Ex stock, among other things. These terrorists were far more competent than the usual bozos, however - mostly ex-US, French and British military.
Another novel I remember had a few terrorists with a dozen or so military radios blocking channels on the Atlanta airport net and then seizing control of those channels long enough to divert incoming aircraft so that they screwed up the pattern and caused Air Force One to get hit.
Fiction, of course, but who knows - without doing the operational plan - how many of these scenarios - and many others - might be possible?
Terrorism includes hitting targets of opportunity. This doesn't mean just targets that are selected on the spur of the moment; it means targets that aren't protected and never have been protected because they were never thought of as targets. The fact that the World Trade Center was bombed (ineffectively) before is WHY it was chosen for the 9/11 attacks. But they could just as easily have selected the Bank of America (Shoenstein Building) building or the Transamerica Building in San Francisco, or the Sears tower, or anything else.
The bottom line: you can NEVER defend EVERYTHING from terrorists. You can't even defend all high-value targets. What if the terrorists decided to crash into all the IRS data processing centers? All the Federal Reserve mints? Bush's Crawford ranch? For that matter, ANY place the President HAPPENS to be on some campaign tour? The Secret Service probably have Stingers in their vans, but that's not a total solution to the problem.
Still, it wouldn't hurt to build in some anti-hijacking smarts into the avionics. Only thing is, you'd better think it through because any time you remove human control of a complicated system, it is likely to allow for unforeseen problems that are not resolvable by the mechanical system.
Clearly that would not be good. But as for JavaScript and Java being limited, it sure didn't feel that way when you load a Web site and the whole system goes down...
OTOH, I suspect under Linux the threat would be much less since the program could only operate with user permissions and it would much harder to screw up the kernel.
And keep in mind that I'm talking about screwed up programs, not deliberate malware. While programmers write apps that crash a lot, I think script writers do worse since they're not professional programmers (the ones that really aren't, I mean - some of them are, of course).
It's possible, I suppose, that my system went down because of a Windows screwup rather than a script/browser problem. I've noticed under Windows/98 that network handling seems to be a problem for it. Weird delays and lockups seem to occur MUCH more often when I'm on the Net than when I'm running any other software.
But I think it goes deeper. These things are supposed to be run within the browser environment, and I think there needs to be closer cooperation between the script language designers and the browser designers, at the very least. Some standards should be set up - but of course the Web designers won't follow them anyway if it crosses Internet Explorer...
Nope. Tried to find it in the Opera browser history, but can't spot it - or at least I can't remember which one it was. I was looking for references to the Shadowscan scanner tool in Google, and noticed a couple crack sites for the tool. So I checked them out, and one of them did the crashing. I THOUGHT it was mscracks.com but I just loaded them with no effect, so...
Oops, last night I browsed to a crack site (that's software cracks, not the other kind) which proceeded to load and apparently sent some JavaScript or something which INSTANTLY crashed Opera (V7.11) AND Windows Explorer AND took down the whole damn machine (Windows/98, no fuckin' surprise...)
I think browser "innovation" died when some moron came up with scripting languages that by definition cannot be supported properly by ANY browser because 1) they keep changing faster than the browsers; and 2) nobody can use them properly because they are programming languages, not markup code (and poor markup code was enough of a problem, but at least that just made the page look funny).
In my opinion, JavaScript (and Java applets intended to run as part of a Web site - as opposed to actual Java programs) are DEATH to the Internet and should be banned...
You want dynamic pages? Have the browser call a C++ or Java program binary directly and screw all this other crap...JavaScript, Java applets, Flash, Perl scripts, Jesus, what a nightmare...
As William Burroughs might say, "Get some standards in here and clean out all this garbage!"
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Got "This Account Has Been Suspended"... /.'d again by those nuclear terrorists at /.!
When will Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz target these evil hackers and their BMD (Bandwidth of Mass Destruction) weapons?
or Galeon.
Or, write your own...
Everybody else does...
True. I've been downloading music videos of The Corrs every day for a week off Usenet. Haven't been on a P2P network for months. Tons of stuff on Usenet that takes up all of my time. Got almost 100,000 pictures of babes on the hard drive. Got a couple old Elvis tunes. Got a ton of Tori Amos bootlegs from concert tour (amazing how people can use smugggled in mikes and DAT recorders to get really good bootlegs.)
Busy, busy.
You forgot:
6) ???
7) PROFIT!!!
Which is relevant to the issue how?
P2P is not fraud - no one has ever even suggested it is. No one is offering anything on P2P networks under false pretences (except of course for bogus downloads by trolls, leeches, Madonna...and the RIAA)
to the ongoing controversy over the expropriation by the Justice Department in the 1980's of the INSLAW case management software, it's subsequent revision and dispersion to foreign nations such as Israel, and its apparent acquisition by terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden who is reportedly using it to evade capture and manage his financial support of terrorist networks including Al-Qaeda?
This situation has been referred to as "the largest software theft case in history" and therefore is relevant to the prosecution of intellectual property crimes, one would imagine.
Speaking of celery, one of the funniest lines in the book "Ultimate Rush" was when one hacker says to a Fed about another hacker, "He couldn't hack celery with a machete!"...
Heh! Yes, remember the old story in Texas:
A man saw a little girl crying. He asks why. She says, "My dead grandfather came back to vote for Johnson but he didn't stop by to say hi to me!"
Or some such thing...
OTOH, right now Bush needs Billie boy to make sure he wins the next one. If that looks like it might not work - since apparently it will not be nationwide or even enough to leverage a close one - look for another "terrorist incident" - or better yet a war with North Korea or Iran - to surface about next August or September. Just enough time to win (well, for Iran, maybe, not North Korea) but not enough time for the failures to erode his popularity before the election. Bush knows the US public will not turn out a sitting President in the middle of a crisis...
You heard it here first...
This response was funnier than the comedy post. Mod this up!
I submit this story at 5:16 AM on Saturday, some "anonymous reader" submits it at 11 AM and he gets it. MY submission asked whether this sort of thing will stimulate more of the same from satellite hackers who already know how to do this which is more important than who is doing it to the US broadcasts to Iran.
There is no justice on Slashdot...
Go ahead, mod me down...Then stuff it up your ass...
the discussion...
Let me explain something to you idiots.
What this kid has done, ANYONE ELSE can do - especially someone with the big bucks like Saddam (oh, wait, somebody here said he was dead a while back! Really? Who did the video the other day?) or Osama.
So what good does it do to classify his one lousy little dissertation?
Remember the Princeton kid that designed the feasible A-bomb? They restricted his stuff, too. Big deal. Anybody with the math background and access to a fucking Linux box today can duplicate that feat. You think terrorists can't get this information?
Get serious. The fact that this kid can be threatened with IMPRISONMENT BY FUCKING CEOS demonstrates that this country DESERVES to be trashed by terrorists!
As Georgie said, "BRING IT ON!"
No - the STATE won....The terrorists were just the tool they used to do it with...
Actually we're moving toward Post-humanism - fortunately, then all this bullshit will come to and end...
In Soviet Russia, amazons patent lawsuits!
(Huh?)
The US is in the business of giving (some of) its secrets to anyone who might be a "useful" enemy in the future. The US LET the Chinese steal those nuclear secrets because the US WANTS the Chinese to be a credible nuclear threat in ten or fifteen years - just about the same time that the Chinese will be a credible ECONOMIC threat to the US economy - thereby justifying threats and war and political tinkering at home.
This is the standard government ploy - "You do everything we tell you to and give us everything you own, and we'll protect you from the bad people on the other side of the border and within our borders - and if there aren't any bad people, we'll make some."
The state is an extortion and protection racket, nothing more. ALL states are, without exception, throughout human history.
Therefore, it is no surprise that secrets get "leaked". Just as it is no surprise that weapons get sold to Iraq, Iran, nuclear reactors to North Korea by Rumsfeld's company, and so on...
But you monkeys just don't get it, do you? There's no sucker like an American sucker...
It'll all be evidence against him in his "unfair restraint of trade" lawsuit that someone will no doubt bring against SCO when they lose the IBM suit...
I predict that SCO will not be bought out and will not make big bucks suing people. I predict that THEY will be sued and brought to bankruptcy by the lawsuits within the next couple of years.
comprised of just IE users - about 96% anyway.
Nobody cares about the last four percent...
I use Opera, myself. Who cares?
Besides, this is about mail clients. Most people use Outlook or Outlook Express. I use Eudora. When I switch to Linux, I'll probably use Evolution. Who cares? Corporations will use Microsoft until Windows is overthrown on the server and the desktop - period.
in general it will not work. While it might be used to protect "obvious" targets like the White House, Congress, and the Pentagon (which I presume is really what they want to protect), it does nothing to protect the hundreds of thousands of other possible targets. It is unlikely that the GPS coordinates of these targets would be in the system. Not to mention that this article discusses "no-fly" zones and NOT just any building someone wants to make a "no-fly zone". If the landing patterns of a major international airport near a major city require flying over that city, it is unlikely that the buildings in that area can be designated a no-fly zone. So all a terrorist needs to do is seize the aircraft, fly in on his normal landing pattern until he's over the city, then blow up the plane and/or drop it on his target.
There was one of these military novels a few years ago that had terrorists actually BUYING older aircraft and crashing them into the Fed Ex distribution center with a few thousand pounds of explosive and fuel on them just to be able to short the stock market on airline and Fed Ex stock, among other things. These terrorists were far more competent than the usual bozos, however - mostly ex-US, French and British military.
Another novel I remember had a few terrorists with a dozen or so military radios blocking channels on the Atlanta airport net and then seizing control of those channels long enough to divert incoming aircraft so that they screwed up the pattern and caused Air Force One to get hit.
Fiction, of course, but who knows - without doing the operational plan - how many of these scenarios - and many others - might be possible?
Terrorism includes hitting targets of opportunity. This doesn't mean just targets that are selected on the spur of the moment; it means targets that aren't protected and never have been protected because they were never thought of as targets. The fact that the World Trade Center was bombed (ineffectively) before is WHY it was chosen for the 9/11 attacks. But they could just as easily have selected the Bank of America (Shoenstein Building) building or the Transamerica Building in San Francisco, or the Sears tower, or anything else.
The bottom line: you can NEVER defend EVERYTHING from terrorists. You can't even defend all high-value targets. What if the terrorists decided to crash into all the IRS data processing centers? All the Federal Reserve mints? Bush's Crawford ranch? For that matter, ANY place the President HAPPENS to be on some campaign tour? The Secret Service probably have Stingers in their vans, but that's not a total solution to the problem.
Still, it wouldn't hurt to build in some anti-hijacking smarts into the avionics. Only thing is, you'd better think it through because any time you remove human control of a complicated system, it is likely to allow for unforeseen problems that are not resolvable by the mechanical system.
Not after Georgie nukes it...
Good point.
Clearly that would not be good. But as for JavaScript and Java being limited, it sure didn't feel that way when you load a Web site and the whole system goes down...
OTOH, I suspect under Linux the threat would be much less since the program could only operate with user permissions and it would much harder to screw up the kernel.
And keep in mind that I'm talking about screwed up programs, not deliberate malware. While programmers write apps that crash a lot, I think script writers do worse since they're not professional programmers (the ones that really aren't, I mean - some of them are, of course).
It's possible, I suppose, that my system went down because of a Windows screwup rather than a script/browser problem. I've noticed under Windows/98 that network handling seems to be a problem for it. Weird delays and lockups seem to occur MUCH more often when I'm on the Net than when I'm running any other software.
Yup. that's true...
But I think it goes deeper. These things are supposed to be run within the browser environment, and I think there needs to be closer cooperation between the script language designers and the browser designers, at the very least. Some standards should be set up - but of course the Web designers won't follow them anyway if it crosses Internet Explorer...
Nope. Tried to find it in the Opera browser history, but can't spot it - or at least I can't remember which one it was. I was looking for references to the Shadowscan scanner tool in Google, and noticed a couple crack sites for the tool. So I checked them out, and one of them did the crashing. I THOUGHT it was mscracks.com but I just loaded them with no effect, so...
that this is just a publicity stunt by the Hormel people...
Either that or they truly are morons...
Or both...
Yeah, and all those things are in Opera, too.
Oops, last night I browsed to a crack site (that's software cracks, not the other kind) which proceeded to load and apparently sent some JavaScript or something which INSTANTLY crashed Opera (V7.11) AND Windows Explorer AND took down the whole damn machine (Windows/98, no fuckin' surprise...)
I think browser "innovation" died when some moron came up with scripting languages that by definition cannot be supported properly by ANY browser because 1) they keep changing faster than the browsers; and 2) nobody can use them properly because they are programming languages, not markup code (and poor markup code was enough of a problem, but at least that just made the page look funny).
In my opinion, JavaScript (and Java applets intended to run as part of a Web site - as opposed to actual Java programs) are DEATH to the Internet and should be banned...
You want dynamic pages? Have the browser call a C++ or Java program binary directly and screw all this other crap...JavaScript, Java applets, Flash,
Perl scripts, Jesus, what a nightmare...
As William Burroughs might say, "Get some standards in here and clean out all this garbage!"