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SCO Taking Linux Discussion To Japan
levin writes "EETimes is carrying a new story about our good friend Darl McBride, CEO of SCO. His latest escapades include a trip to Japan in response to the CE Linux Forum initiative undertaken by several big-name Japanese tech firms such as Sony and Toshiba. He's putting his famous tainted code dog-and-pony show on parade, trying to influence some of the major CELF founders."
....I guess that means he'll have to accept his AssHat Award by proxy.
For what?
I remember we use to use this EMC datamovers on the controller server that was hooked up to the things. Besides that, I knew of only one other company that used them.
ACK
McBride will learn to his chagrin that you don't fuck with the Yakuza!
"I saw what appeared to be a word-for-word copy of about every third line of code in the central module of the Linux kernel," said Enderle of Giga Information Group, who viewed the alleged code violations two weeks ago. "The lines of code contained typos, misspellings and even copyright disclaimers. It appeared to constitute a violation of the license."
Where can I get me one of these central modules?Why do we keep posting articles that we know are only to impose FUD on the Linux/Open source community?
Every Super Villan uses Linux.
I think he should take his show on over to Iraq - you don't wanna let them violators get a foodhold there!
Why is it that articles that mention SCO vs Linux always call Linux" "Linux," but the articles that don't seem to remember to call Linux "GNU/Linux?"
Is this a coincidence? It's been done what seems like 30 times in the last couple months.
(Ok, actually, I just like saying "FlyingButtMonkeys"!)
here a sco, there a sco, every where a sco, sco
/.sco article
and for my next performance... see the scheduled
The headline makes it seem like they are trying to get as many countries to discredit SCO's claims, before they get there.
"McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members to show them code samples in which the Linux open-source operating system allegedly violates SCO's Unix patents, said an SCO spokesman."
I wonder if he's dumb enough to think they'll sign a non-disclosure?
666-607: 6th floor apartment of the beast
It's a term borrowed from fark.com meaning someone who is acting stupid/idiotic/moronic/ass-holish.
We had two Compaq Proliant servers at work, running SCO Unix. We reinstalled them with Linux three weeks ago and sent back all SCO CD's, handbooks etc. to SCO with a little note that we dont want to use Software from a Company which can't write good code and sues those who can.
;)
Curious why we didn't receive a response yet
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One by one the penguins steal my sanity...
The last guy to talk shit like that got an all-expense paid stay at club fed and that was before the Bushinazis staged their coup!
This guy looks at Rambus as his model. Wont work dude. Your going down.
From the article: McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members to show them code samples in which the Linux open-source operating system allegedly violates SCO's Unix patents, said an SCO spokesman.
I wonder if they're going to have to sign the NDA? And is McBride going to charge them?
One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.
SCO's chief taking Linux beef to Japan
Dogs, ponies, cows. Way to go Darl. Methinks Darl will turn to farming after SCO shuts down.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
Come on, McBride, shit or get off the pot. Put your smoking gun on display for the world to see. You're embarrasing yourself and SCO.
Trolling is a art,
It can be done as it has been already proven in Germany.
Nobody can make false accusations without giving proof. Any Linux distributer or the EFF or other interest groups can sue them. And if one does this SCO would to have to show the code or STFU.
It also raises the question why IBM doesn't do this.
The only sensible explanation for this strange behavior seems to me that SCO has some (perhaps weak) point and such a countersuit would fail. It seems to me that some of the players in this game have much more knowledge then they admit openly.
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
If I were a CIO or CTO debating the TCO of *nix vs. Win2K3 to a CEO, would IBM vs. SCO be the TKO that stops the CEO from approving A/P to pay my PO for RH's LGX?
/.'er's post, but saw the SCO headline and just had to!
FWIW, even if OSS is FAIB, if the DOJ considers *nix IP with a TM, then it basically become's SCO's LIC, meaning our OSS becomes a CSS OS, which would RSTBO.
AIBO going w/ an ASP that manages our OS? BTA, we might end up w/ a BOFH giving us ZA, which WWAD PMS.
AFAIK, INMP if SCO wants to be ITM by enforcing its supposed IPR - *nix IP should be PD or GNU, like BSD just on GP, IYKWIM. I keep asking myself in this situation - WWLD?
Oh, BTW - IITYWIMWYBMAD?
Sorry... know this is a dupe from another
"McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members to show them code samples in which the Linux open-source operating system allegedly violates SCO's Unix patents, said an SCO spokesman."
Something tells me that he won't need to use his Japanese much to understand their response. Laughter transcends language, after all.
-- Fratz, human
(AP) In a related story, SCO took its fight against Linux to Antarctica. Little is known of the results, except that there are rumors of significant reductions in the penguin population."
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
So all we need to do is scan the linux kernel for typos & misspelings?
I wouldn't be horribly suprised if there is something to their case against IBM, but if there is anything it will be quickly removed and fixed.
Meanwhile, SCO is going around spreading unwarrented fear about Linux. By trying to help their own profits by spreading this garbage, they are likely openning themselves up to lawsuits from companies trying to profit off of Linux.
The CELF founders should read mozillaquest.com's interview with analyst Bill Claybrook before they even consider talking to McBride.When they read that interview, they will know that McBride is just blowing smoke.
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... "must have latest SCO FUD fix."
/. community it is nice to have a new evil around besides that of Micro$oft.
For the
-- Knowing too much can get you killed, but knowing who knows too much can make you rich.
It seems that if you really want to advance the state of Linux, doing things to bring about the downfall of SCO and to convince others never to follow in their footsteps should receive as much attention at the moment as, say, improving the user interface. In other words, I think getting a few of the sharpest people in the Linux world leading the effort to mess with SCO might take away Linux's greatest threat.
I'm neither a programmer nor a Linux user, and I'll readily acknowledge I don't know what the hell I'm talking about here. But I'd be really interested to hear ideas about how the Linux community could organize an open-source style project, not to create software, but to help wipe SCO off the map. To start with, what would such a group look like, and what would its immediate short-term projects be?
I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
...Pony show means?
It reffers to a few 'bands' of women and their 'managers' going around to hick towns and having the women screw and be screwed by dogs and ponies.
And of course, they took in a bit of money doing so. My pops remembers when 1 such group hit a place in Indiana.
IANAL but I seem to recall hearing once that copyright damages are supposed to be worked out using the least invasive remedy first. In other words, should SCO prove its point that copyrighted code was placed into Linux, then the code should be removed. If the code cannot be removed, then the big penalties start kicking in. Since I haven't seen any mention of this in any of hte articles I am beginning to wonder if I misheard about this concept. Any IAAL out there know?
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
I know there has been a big boom in the Asian mail-order bride industry, but now McDonald's is involved?
"One extra-large McBride, with hot apple pie. No fries please".
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
...McBride would be lynched to death, put in a sushi roll, and shipped to North Korea for the starving millions.
now supporting:
cmdrTaco for president '04
michael for oval office intern summer '05
With ... regretted appologies to Yatta!(c)(tm)
(r)(dog)
Nippon-Sue-Sue SCO-wonderful Easy-Rider-Salad-The-Mall! We didn't win so Sue! Sue! Sue! Sue!
Now where are the guys in underwear jumping around talking about how life is good as long as they have leaves and that the economy will recover?
Related Link: Google for Yatta. Trust me.
I assert that my comment is only my opinion, not that of any employer, past, present or future.
When I think about SCO I touch my CELF
This is just more evidence that SCO has no intent other than to harm Linux. There seems to be nothing to gain, for SCO anyway, from this escapade in Japan.
If this were an attempted murder, the victim would be Linux. The weapon would be SCO and the detective would now be visiting everyone with a motive. Hmmm who could that be?
On Slashdot and in both DAoC and EVE Online.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
SCO is going to fail it big time in court! They don't even have a case against Linux or IBM. Just wait until their puny asses get kicked out of court and IBM refuses to buy them! They are going to get SOOOOO buried! Let's hear it for Open Source toppling yet another dishonest corporation!
Subject is intended with great sarcasm.
" The last guy to talk shit like that got an all-expense paid stay at club fed and that was before the Bushinazis staged their coup!"
Must be the only country where a guy winning an election the usual way is called a "coup". Must help the losers deal with the fact that their guy lost the election.
I would like to think that somebody somewhere is independingly going over the code and searching as well. I know it's a little difficult not knowing what they are calling "bad code" but nonetheless, some diligence on the Linux side might do some good. We are, however, not hearing about it. >
"The 1,500 companies who received letters from SCO [about potential infringements] should be worried, big time," said Rob Enderle, a research fellow for the Giga Information Group (Santa Clara, Calif.). Based on what he saw, Enderle said, "The evidence appears to be very compelling."
/. viewers in a second (and if you mention WMD or politics here, you should get modded down to obliteration)
Prepare for the leter with very compelling information.
Ahh lets cut the crap right now.
All SCO would need to do is publish one example of where Linux has there source code here to slashdot and it would probably sway 50% of the
I would very much like to see one of these 1500 letters and this very compelling information.
-- Knowing too much can get you killed, but knowing who knows too much can make you rich.
I didn't think Japanese companies gave lame ducks much consideration...besides what kind of sauce to cook them with.
The cancel button is your friend. Do not hesitate to use it.
Asshat was around long before fark.com.
An interesting etymology of asshat.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
Isn't it enough to piss off one 800 pound gorilla?
Now he goes poking another eight of them with a stick.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
HAHHAAHAHHA Brian Collins! You forgotz0red your sigz0r had ur nam3!!!!!!!!!1111 LOLOLOLOLO!!!!! Lamz0r!
Since these guys are working on "embedded linux", and therefore probably not very concerned with x86/enterprise code, why is SCO trying to scare them? I thought SCO's claims revolved around "Unix" on the x86 and certain enterprise features. Chances are that's exactly the code these guys are going to look at reimplementing to get it to work in an embedded environment.
http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/
top execs.
Something I read on yahoo message board.
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Specifically quoted from their FORM 8-A/A SEC filing. Last sentence of page 3 in the Bylaws section:
"The Bylaws also provide that the Company will indemnify officers and directors against losses that they may incur in investigations and legal proceedings resulting from their services to the Company,"
So as far as I can tell the Company could care less whether or not what they did was legal or ethical.
If the US public could be misled by Bush and his administration to go to war with Iraq, then I would hazard to guess that the judge in the SCO suit (if well picked) could easily be misled to side with SCO on this suit.
At the moment, most Americans don't seem to be sharp enough to figure out when they are being hoodwinked. I would say that this extends to our judicial system as well as the general public. When the judge hears the word "Linux", he's going to believe what SCO says:
Linux = Anything Unix-like that isn't SCO Unixware (including the GNU tools and XFree86)
Not:
Linux = The Linux Kernel
Keep it in minds folks. We'd all better start making the distinctions VERY clear.
Un-news
What the hell, I got karma to burn. You know, I really want to kick that guys ass. Doesn't even really have to be a full out fight, just give me one shot. Just one little shot and I'll knock him out, easy.
SCO has lawyers. Linux has a bunch of geeks with thousands of hours of experience with the bloodiest video games on earth.
-1 Offtopic.
"In the past three months, SCO Group, a small software company that owns Unix patents, claimed it had found chunks of its Unix code in Linux."
I thought it was already concluded that SCO doesn't even claim to own UNIX patents. They just claim that they own the copyrights. The Novell escapade brought all of that out. EE Times needs to get their story right.
Mod the parent up!
If SCO KNEW that they had a winning case, the leach lawyers wouldn't be telling McBride to go to Japan, they would be telling McBride to 'sit back and watch everyone switch to Linux cuz you can then sue their asses off too!'
Darl
My Firm Is:
For Sale
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Having keys to your house sucks badly, paying strangers to to remotely operate your locks is vastly superior. It's about time that home-owners stopped blindly trusting themselves and let big unethical corporations operate their locks.
This is not insightful. It's flamebait
...about copyright violations to the Japanese, does that mean he will have to disembowel himself or just cut off a thumb when they find out he's full of it?
McBride San, please wash your neck so we can give you our reply.
It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -Frederick Douglass
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IBM has the code to both SCO and Linux, why don't they find out the offending chunks and release a patch to romove them. The Linux community can then rewrite these peices of code and the problem goes away.
Unless ofcourse IBM thinks that would be an admission of guilt and therefore screw them.
bill gates is a good game designer. flight simulator rocks. linux is shit and the only good game it has is THE MINESWEEPER PORT. BILL GATES INVENTED MINESWEEPER AND PINBALL SHUT YOUR HOLE SHITHEAD
collins, brian
It comes from the circus. Well trained animals.
It doesn't take much to do a search online.
In this zdnet article (who else!) from 2002, Darly Baby says:
"And C++ programming languages, we own those, have licensed them out multiple times, obviously"
Watch yer arse Stroustrup! Darls coming to get you!
Maybe SCO has more money than we think. They can actually still afford a flight and accomodations in Japan!
...the Raelians. False "cloning" claims, you know. Hope we won't hear of SCO anymore in six months as well...
United States of America, good ol' backers of world peace.
Maybe we can convince them to shoot him into space.
/syle
SHUT UP YOU N00B! Flight simulator runs on my XBOX! Linux on the XBOX!!!1 GAY!!!! All those geeks and nerds who think 'woah' I got linux on my xbox. It's a gamesconsole!!!!!!1111 YOU SUCK, CRAMPYLEG (This is insightful, not flamebait)
I got this post from the yahoo message boards, the guy has a good point:
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by: martin_lvnv (41/M/Las Vegas) 07/07/03 04:44 pm
Msg: 18108 of 18112
Has anyone considered how strange it is that Darl is going to Japan to talk to the CE Linux Forum? CE stands for consumer electronics: i.e. very small embedded systems running out of ROM most of the time without a hard drive on a small cheap processor.
SCOs published claims both from press releases, news reports and their own complaint are about IBM putting "enterprise" technology into Linux: NUMA, JFS, RCU, SMP etc. None of these things apply in the least to embedded systems running out of ROM on a consumer electronic device. Whats up with that?
My only guess is that SCOs arrogance knows no bounds and they think anything using a computer chip, even a toaster, has to infringe on SCOs IP.
http://www.celinuxforum.org/PressRelease/pr02.h
Traveling on the ivestors money must be fun. It's not like they are making money...
I GET SEX EVERY NIGHT.
.net and php sucks microsoft sql owns fucking stupid oracle. ASP OWNS PHP ANDP ERL
WANNA KNOW WHY?
WINDOWS. with msn mESSNENGER I GOT A GIRLFRIEND
and SHE HAS A VAGINA
linux has no girls
linux sucks with no games
x boxs are cool and billiam gates wrote the best game "messiah" in visual basic using
Uh, what Unix patents would those be?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Many "mom and pop and kids" circuses that toured small towns could not afford the expense of maintaining large animals such as camels and elephants, or dangerous and also expensive ones such as lions and tigers. Often, their only menagerie was a few dogs and a pony. The majority of their entertainment consisted of clowning, acrobatics and juggling, with a few acts that involved the dogs and pony. The larger, more sophisticated and better equipped circuses came to refer to these little guys as "dog and pony shows."
I'm sure there was the occasional carnie who would put on "special" shows for select clients, but so far as I know beastiality has long been illegal in many US states and, therefore, the practice you describe, performed in the US, would present a very real risk of imprisonment to all participants - hence the legends about "pony shows" down in ye olde Tijuana.
Don't modz0r. Replyz0r
I worked on an IP case as a paralegal once that involved the Japenese Patent and Copyright office. It is an amazingly complex system over there and I doubt that SCO would be able to do anything to them even it wanted to. Even if they tried to get a UTC injunction against the importation of the Linux embedded goods, they would still be limited to getting the infringing pieces removed. While I am not a developer, it certainly seems from what I have read that replacing the offending code would not be terribly onerous.
In the end, however, I can see potentially large blows coming to either the Linux community or SCO depending on how the companies respond to the presentation.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
"After an hour, they discovered a large cavern inhabited by Albino penguin, which fled at their approach. Hearing what they thought to be a Shoggoth, they fled back to the surface.
Now thoroughly spooked the group hurridly retraced their route back to the schoolhouse, only to be brought up short by a whispered sound of tekeli-li heard by Dr. Weiss and Professor McKeowan. "
The question is, did Linux take it from SCO, or did they both take it from an earlier reference?
If it had been distributed before under a free license, SCO can't slap its copyright on it and call it proprietary. It's essentially "prior art".
On the other hand, if it actually came from SCO, then their refusal to disclose it IMO means they aren't taking steps to protect their intellectual property, by not allowing the Linux community to produce a clean-room equivalent.
In other news... I am suing Encyclopedia Brittanica because they stole my work in their entry for... Well, I'm not going to say.
(Why must Mods automatically assume that something is offtopic. If anything bad it's flamebait, but I hardly see that it is)
This seems to be central behind this debate. What is SCO claiming is infringing? Some seem to say that it's claiming that the Linux kernel has IP source code in it. If this is the case, then no, it's Linux that's infringing and NOT GNU/Linux. If it's GNU/Linux that's infringing, then I think they also have to accuse Berkeley of the same thing, as the GNU operating system is designed on the same general theory as BSD (A UNIX-like operating system). As I recall, all BSD ever got in trouble for was naming their OS UNIX. GNU's already got that area covered pretty easily, wouldn't you say?
Now, if there's a specific COMPONENT of GNU/Linux that infringes (which would be a bit difficult to pinpoint... X11? Bash? What?) Then they should stop mentioning Linux in its entirety and shouldn't come after it so much as they should go after the project developers or the FSF. Not to mention the GNU/HURD developers.
The most plausible case that SCO seems to have is over the Linux kernel, honestly. In which case it has nothing to do with GNU except that the GNU/Linux system is distributed with the infringing kernel. However, that's something that SCO should take up with Linus et al instead of the distros themselves.
More FUD, more FUD, more FUD.
Karma: Non-Heinous
Every few lines there was a line that was exactly the same as code in the Linux kernel source tree.
These lines contained one and only one character: '\n'
If there are COPYRIGHT NOTICES that are common to SCO & Linux, they would stand out like sore thumbs to anyone investigating the Linux Kernel code. UNLESS they were some version of a OS copyright GPL/BSD,etc.
So the fact that this guy is citing COPYRIGHT messages as instances of commonality between the code bases indicates that he has no grasp of the issue.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members... Translation? HI MY CODE MAKE YOW AIX GO SUCKY-SUCKY. I FILE IP SUIT, YOUR COMPANY GO **BOOM!***
Thanks for the fix. The twitches were really starting to get bad.
Hi, I just wanted to jump on the stupidity-train, too. Chooo-chooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is really bordering on the ridiculous! The few specific (sort of) claims that SCO has mentioned about stolen IP that ended up in the kernel had to do with:
1. SMP support
2. journaling filesystem
(correct me if I am wrong or I missed something else that SCO has mentioned)
Now how in the hell can these issues be related to embedded Linux applications? I mean, yeah, I can see how the definition of embedded systems is creeping up to include the capabilities of general purpose computing platforms, but unless I missed something from SCO, how can they be threatening this consortium with what they claim as the basis for their lawsuit against IBM?
Isn't it time for the courts (like they did in Germany) to force these people to put up or shut up? If there is offending code in the Linux kernel, which I personally doubt, it should be fairly obvious IF it was copied and, with a little work, WHERE it was copied from. If there are discoveries that need to be made to determine exactly where it came from and who stole what from whom, then making this a PUBLIC discussion with full disclosure and as many eyes as possible looking at it can do nothing but help SCO's case, if they have one.
If they don't have a case, surely there are some legal remedies available to the companies (like the consortium mentioned in this article) for compensation for their time and effort wasted on groundless accusations. And, if SCO wants to drag this out to the maximum, can't they be forced to post a (huge) bond against potential awards of damages?
Of course he's going there because he's worried that IBM's adding of copyrighted ccNUMA support for the [GNU/]Linux kernel will make its way into every handheld Linux device, thereby infringing on their intellectual property. Don't use any Linux handhelds with ccNUMA architectures, it might be a breach of copyright. :o)
It may be of interest to note that SCO is still a platinum sponsor of LPI
Slight adjustment of original quote.
I am getting sick of reading this inane and insane quote: How the hell do you copy every third line, without copying the other two? It would be like making a knock-off of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix where I copied every third line, and I got the other two lines from the public domain Moby Dick.
Don't even get me started on the meaningless phrase "central module of the Linux kernel".
It would be much more believable if he just said the whole damn thing was copied. I guess he thinks it sounds more "technical" than saying 33% was copied, because he can show off that he knows "code" is made up of "lines".
Why doesn't he just say every third byte was copied from the Evil Master Control Program, and then scoot off on his little Tron light-cycle?
I am getting sick of hearing that quote from that jackhole of the universe.
.....This is the guy who you want to blow up!!!! Not innocent /.'ers.....
It's left blank because I have nothing to say to you punks!
"It shows how entrenched Linux has become," said Victor Yodaiken, CEO of FSMLabs Inc. (Socorro, N.M.), a maker of real-time software for Linux.
Aah... yes. Last time I checked, FSMLabs was trying to undermine the GPL by offering kernel patches which use FSMLabs proprietary patented technology. The situation has become better due to massive intervention of the FSF since then, but is still somewhat uncertain.
It's scary that this is a time where even the foe of our foe is not necessarily our friend.
My non-lawyer understanding is that US courts can be really unwelcoming if you're not directly affected. A judge might say "Has SCO sued you? Sent a cease-and-desist? Have they even mentioned you by name? No? Then mind your own business".
US courts are also Very Expensive. Anyone who jumped in now would be doing IBM's work for them, and paying kerjillions of dollars to do so.
What IBM gains by waiting is that every time an SCO executive opens his mouth, IBM's lawyers have one more thing to cross-examine him about.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as though SCO has absolutely no interest in consumer electronics and embedded devices. (And yet Microsoft certainly does.) So why would SCO waste time specifically targeting an upstart organization aiming to promote Linux for consumer electronics? It's not a threat to their marketshare. Seems fishy, albeit unprovable at this stage. Granted, they may only be making as much fuss as possible.
Sure, if they can get IBM to pay them, and still get money from the unstoppable Linux force, why wouldn't they?
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Off-topic?
Folks, you should learn a little basic Japanese here. Nihon-jin = Japanese person.
-uso.
Dreams, dreams, don't doubt dreams, dreaming children's dreaming dreams. Sailor Moon SS
From his bio:
From 1988 to 1996, he worked at networking leader Novell where he was responsible for growing Novell Japan's growth to more than $100 million in revenue.
I was in Japan from 1986 to 1996. Novell went absolutely nowhere during that time. Microsoft took over the networking market. I ended up dealing only with Novell U.S. as Novell Japan was absolutely hopeless to work with. Now that I think about it, I seem to recall meeting Darl at a gaijin get-together. Just another expat executive lording over the locals.
If he knows more Japanese than "o-kane dase" I'll be amazed.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
is supposed to be a press conference Wednesday where SCO is going to tell the Linux companies about the licensing structure they are going to set up.My image of this case is that they are going to try to show that linux is not controlled enough and needs to have a guardian appointed to make it comply with IP,copyrights and etal.Who better than the one that owns all the copyrights to unixware?This case could take some really interesting twists before being done.I am not saying that their is sco code in linux but that they want to raise the issue that their could be. The article on mozilla.org really lets you see where the argument is going
I think the more vocal zealots... or anyone who would actually undertake violence against SCO shareholders should do the responsible and less jail-worthy thing... sign the NDA and break it in a very public place.... that would finally be some news.... otherwise it seems like this will drag on forever and nothing will happen except FUD.
you are so full of crap
Supposedly its the RCU (Read, Copy, Update) code that speeds up threading on super-highend systems. It came from Sequent which was later purchaced by IBM. The AT&T contract signed by sequent didn't have the add-on that IBM had, which said that IBM 'owned' all the software they developed. In other words, all the UNIX stuff developed by sequent before it was purchaced by IBM SCO has a rights on.
The problem is what Sequent did was come up with the system and patent it, publishing the system in a patent, which applied to any multithreaded OS. In other words, they developed something and stuck it into their unix system, not the other way around.
Anyway, this is only one part of the story...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
why don't they find out the offending chunks...
Well, because that wouldn't stop the suit. SCO's motivation for doing all this is something we can all speculate on (attempt to get someone else to buy them? realization that their UNIX copyright is the only valuable thing they have? etc etc). But the fact is that if IBM did copy-and-paste code into Linux, the proverbial penguin shit is going to hit Big Blue in the face.
Removing the code now wouldn't solve this problem. To view the issue from SCO's perspective, for several years IBM (and others) have been using their intellectual property to make billions of dollars, and they're not getting one red cent. This suit is to recover those lost profits, and make sure they get a chunk of the pie in the future as well.
Like most people, I sincerely doubt this ploy will work. IBM just has too much clout -- they'll fight it as long as possible & put tons of political pressure on SCO. But it is interesting to look at the issue from SCO's side instead of falling into the knee-jerk "oh bullshit" mindset.
--Mid
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For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
If so, then surely (I hope) the justice system has set a date for some future action (hearing, trial, depositions, etc.)
Does no one know the next date that this case will be addressed by the justice system?
Or does SCO have yet to file a claim, and they will continue to spread FUD freely with no end in sight?
"Darl McBride, whose company recently launched a legal attack on Linux for alleged contract infringements"
No... the legal attack was against IBM (which was mentioned later) but that is a horrid opening to an even worse article.
Darl Gets a paid vacation to japan. When he gets there he will attempt to explain to the japanese how its wrong to take others inventions and make them your own. Then he will come back to the U.S.
The net result, U.S. japan relations get strained over us exporting garbage to them. SCO's Stock manages to levitate a little longer
I don't know what kind of sauce it is, but there's a plastic replica of the dish in the window.
No. I doubt it. Any good CEO knows that waiting to win a lawsuit is like betting on the slow boat to China. Lawsuits are notoriously slow and long winded... Consider the Microsoft/DOJ case. That took a couple of years, to run it's course, with an expidited schedule and settled out of court.
The longest lawsuits are said to have outlived entire generations. -- then, of course, there's the possibility that you could lose on a technicality.
The best way to use a lawsuit is the way that most robbers use guns -- you never actually want to fire it... Just point it in the proper direction and hope that people do what you want them to.
If McBride and his band of would-be robber barons could get a $5000/year license fee from each of the 1500 people he sent those vague 'warning letters' to, that would be about $7M/year in pretty much free income. Many of those companies could probably be convinced to spend 10 times that just to avoid having to pay their lawyers to deal with SCO's continual harrasement. It wouldn't even matter if they really thought he could win.
If McBride can convince one or two of the CE consortium to pay up 'insurance money' on the Linux IP money, that could get him some momentum in pushing other fortune 1000 companies to do the same thing.
I really think he's loooking for a "first chump" on this issue. The bigger the chump the more likely that other companies will follow the FUD trail.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
This whole saga reminds me of an old joke, which I'll update to make more relevant.
One day there was an elephant named IBM walking through the jungle, when he accidentally got a thorn stuck in his foot. He hissed in pain, and pondered his predicament, when an ant named SCO overheard him.
After being told the problem, SCO the ant said, I'll help you out by removing the thorn on one condition; If I do it, you have to let me fuck you in the ass.
IBM the Elephant looked around, thinking this was a joke, but eventually said, 'Sure, why not?', figuring how bad could an assfuck be from an ant. So SCO the ant walks over, pulls out the thorn, and says, alright, Pay Up!, and starts climbing IBM's leg.
Once he's in position, SCO starts pumping like mad, fucking the elephant in the ass. Meanwhile, IBM is checking his watch, wondering when SCO will get started.
While this is going on, a couple of monkeys, named Slashdot and Linux, are in the trees watching this whole thing in amusement. When SCO starts fucking IBM in the ass, they start howling, laughing their asses off. They laugh so hard, they knock a coconut loose, which falls and hits IBM in the head.
Oww! screams IBM, 'That hurt!'
Hearing this, SCO looks up and screams 'TAKE IT ALL BITCH!'
I HAVE CUBIC WISDOM THAT TRANSCENDS AND CONTRADICTS ONE DAY GODS
Couldn't care less. The phrase is COULDN'T care less.
It doesn't mean anything if you COULD care less.
Read it here. Shave off the filename to get a list of all documents in this filing.
[jole]
This comment got moderations like Off Topic and Overrated. I gave him a +1 Funny. Because it was funny, at least as long it was just speculation. I see now that maybe he really deserved a +1 psychic. (Or at least Insightful which is probably the closest we can find on slashdot).
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
All Your Code Bases Are Belong To Us!
Can some one post the source code for a recent SCO released Linux kernel available on the net. Specifically I'm looking for someone who gotten permission from SCO to use Linux since they bought it from them.
Stop me if you know where I'm going with this. I'm not a laywer but here goes. SCO said their customers where covered on the IP issues. These customers obtained the kernel from SCO under GPL and should be able to obtain the source too. (Otherwise SCO is in violation of the GPL and is liable to everyone who's ever contributed to the kernel.)
Now these customers should be able to distribute the same kernel under the same licensing condition that they got it, the GPL. (Otherwise, and SCO is in violation.)
Now suppose one of these customers make this kernel available to some like, oh say, Linus. Then perhaps Linus (for show) creates a patch that applies his more recent changes to the kernel provided by the SCO customer, thus making the latest Linux a legal derivative of the Legal source provided but the SCO customer.
Now repeat this for any other version of the kernel you want to make legal.
OK, now this doesn't cover the latest changes to the 2.5 series that SCO thinks they own, but it would at least sterilize anything that SCO has sold. Any obvious loophole I'm missing?
Edd
The Japanese culture puts politeness above honesty. Dale understands this and will use it to his advantage:
1. Dale asks Japanese compnies not to use Linux
2. Japanese make polite noises but do not throw him out
3. Dale returns and declares the trip a success
4. Japanese companies ignore Dale and continue Linux projects.
5. Lazy reporters don't notice that Japanese companies continue to promote Linux and continue to report Dale's "success"
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
and theyre MORONS for quoting him. hmm, who is this guy? his bio is here http://www.gigaweb.com/analysts/0,2206,strComp%253 Dcoverage%2526intContentID%253D238457,00.html
he has a marketing degree and an MBA. his job is to tell people what the newest and coolest PDA to buy is. what a tool! why would anyone decide to quote this asshat!
At least, he works for clients who want him to say that linux sucks, which can be seen here for instance (thanks to Anon on osnews for that link)
"Linux and other open source projects require too much customization, and doubts about the legitimacy of open source code could get users tangled up in lawsuits. Besides, many Linux supporters are a bunch of potty-mouthed malcontents. Enterprises are better off staying away from Linux and open source -- or at least thinking through the possible liabilities, argues guest columnist Rob Enderle."
Belief is the currency of delusion.
How is it this person can say this without violating the NDA? Does SCO have to enforce all violations of the NDA, or just selective ones? I guess SCO could allow this person to view it without an NDA, provided they say this.
Thoughts?
-- bearclaw
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...but I do not find a match for Unix AND SCO here (http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html)
The supposed industry analyst quoted in the article is a MSFT pawn. Quote from the Giga Site: "His current client activities include helping companies work with Microsoft." Take a look at his Resume it would be hard to find someone that dosen't work for Microsoft that would have a bigger stake in making silly claims about SCOs credibility.
Has anyone figured out what good copying every 3rd line of code could possibly be?
Maybe this what he saw is:
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
if (argc == 0) {
printf("Welcome to the central module \n");
return 1;
} else {
startCoronelSanders(argv);
return 0;
}
}
(and SCO does not have the political might that AT&T had in the AT&T/Berkeley case).
...
To get the case sealed, all SCO would have to do is provide evidence that the code in use might in some way endanger one of their clients - lets just say that the DoD is on their client list - and invoke the Homeland Security Secrecy Act (or whatever it is called) to get the courts to seal the details
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
You are talking about the SEC form 8-A12G/A from SEC's SCO page, correct?
It's all governed by General Corporation Law, in this case indemnification is limited by section (e)
All they're really saying is, if we didn't have seperate D&O policies for the directors and officers before, we do now. And some other stuff to try to prevent a hostile stock take over.
You can just hear McBride, who is "fluent" in Japanese, say the Japanese equivalent of "all your code are belong to us" to them.
It's not like we've heard this joke at least 30 times already.
McBride says he is going to Japan to warn them of dangers they are not aware of. But everyone of these companies has thousands of lawyers. They know all about SCO's claims and they decided to go ahead anyway. So he won't be telling them anything they don't know about already
I think the trip to Japan is just another publicity stunt.
yeah, whatever. The penguin doesn't want you .. asshat.
In the beginning when SCO first made its allegations , I was frightened beyond belief that this could be true, but as this whole matter got carried on and the lack of respect and unprofessianlism that SCO shows as a company has made me deteste and put less faith in the company. I am not saying that it may have a case or not but who wants to deal with a company who chooses this method as a means of fighting back to regain its so called lost IP rights so much so that it has to flood the airwaves with pleads and cries. And yes , I do say it is pleading cause it seems more like a company who just got a wound and rather than getting antibiotic and a bandaid it wants to rub the wound even more. Rather than directing the Opensource communtity to correct their problems and so both OSs can exist harmoniously it now wants to go after open source markets :). This is not the sort of company I want to invest in if the only way it can make money is in bullying and extorting its own customers and customers of other companies. SCO's OS can never gain as much popularity as the linux OS cause it is this IP protocol that has limited its growth and direction because only the IP holders can dictate its direction. Linux has no one IP holder and each one of the many talented programmers who code for it and also for the various GNU produts that support it continue to expand its boundaries something that SCO can not stop with threats because simply linux is doing what sco can't which is "INNOVATE". Something that SCO doesn't seem to be able to do.... So SCO can sitback and grow green with envy as Linux develops and innovates into new untapped areas cause SCO can never innovate better than linux, have as large a following of developers and fans as linux, be as flexible as linux and allow its users to expand its ability and growth as linux, but most importantly SCO can never own or be linux. Linux exists in the hearts and minds of those who use and develop the OS and as long as those remain creative free and open linux will continue to innovate and grow and there is nothing SCO , Microsoft or any anti linux or anti GNU supporter can do about it.
I mean just look at this:
Japan's Web Chats, Death Pacts
How the hell will they stand listening to this guy's crap?
Won't matter. Even allowing for the current law suit to take a couple of years, and then a couple more to annihilate SCO with lible claims, there should still be plenty of time left to sue Darl into bankruptcy with no SCO left to help him.
Linux is completley open, SCO could have pointed out the code they don't like, but they havent done that. That says it all. Please Slashdot, don't do their dirtywork, stop spreading their FUD.
Braves/Yankees?
I used to but then I quit.
...Anyone know of any active clans of ninja in modern-day Japan?
Who needs a marketing department when you have office ninja?
SCO Taking Linux Discussion To Japan
Someone should let them know that it doesn't matter what language you translate it into...their argument still doesn't make any sense.
Mordor...a magical, mythical land where women are more rare than dragons--but where every man would rather find a dragon
Question: SCO has declared itself a victim of breach of contract by IBM, specifically WRT AIX. Why, then, is it attacking Linux so specifically and directly?
Answer: the goal of this exercise is to attack Linux, nothing else.
Question: why is IBM saying nothing?
Answer: they believe SCO might win, and are willing to sacrifice Linux if necessary.
Question: why is Microsoft saying nothing?
Answer: everyone knows they hate Linux, so no-one believes their propaganda any longer. They need a fresh mouthpiece. SCO is that mouthpiece.
Question: why is Microsoft so intent on harming Linux?
Answer: the goals of Linux and all OSS are nothing less than the total anhilation of Microsoft. War is not a nice thing. This is not a metaphor: we are talking about the lives of people you know.
Question: if it is war, how do we win?
Answer: this is a good question, and timely. You win wars by avoiding the battles you cannot win and by winning those you can.
Question: what is the ultimate goal of Microsoft?
Answer: the closure of the "development gap", in which the right to create code still lies in the hands of the individual. Ultimately, this power must be restricted to licensed programmers only. Nothing less than that makes sense. If your think this is exageration, look at other professions, then think about the public's perception of hackers, Linux kernel hackers, and virus writers. Still feel safe?
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Didn't SCO say that the "stolen" code was Enterpise stuff that Only could come from SCO. Didn't they also claim that this code was Intel based? What the heck is this all about then. Embedded systems are not Enterpise systems. A lot of Embedded systems do not use Intel CPUS. Why do I get a feeling that Sony was laughing there butts off at this guy. Well we can hope.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
Everyone is using SCO UNIX!
I know this sounds really, really paranoid - but has anyone ever considered the possibility that large corporate interests who have reasons to want Linux, and other open source or free software projects to fail - might deliberately have their employees or "agents" plant copyrighted code in open source projects..? And then come back years later with lawyers ready to grab anyone who's done anything interesting or successful with said code..? Sounds a little far fetched but so do many of the other things people will do in the name of the $.
POS means "Piece of Shit," right?
It's pretty clear from the tone of the article that he's not interested in who's right in the intellectual property debate; rather, he's trying to persuade businesses to steer clear of open source in order to somehow avoid IP litigation entirely. This quote makes clear that his whole position boils down to, whoever has the most lawyers wins. I suppose that's true in the abstract, but it seems here that it is SCO that is inevitably going to be the ones buried by litigation after IBM is through with them.
Apparently all of the alleged "infringements" relate to SMP code contributed to the kernel by IBM. Since most of the CELF stuff is aimed at embedded devices, is any of this code even necessary?
:wq
It seems to pop up a lot in stuff like POS applications (there's a couple of franchises here in .au that us it for their inventory) and I know someone else who uses it a lot because it's used a lot in text DBs (again, mostly inventory systems).
Needless to say, after some years of "if it ain't broke..." said person is actively trying to get off SCO on account of their willingness to sue customers.
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
God damn, you're stupid.
So there's actually code owned by SCO, stolen, and placed in the Linux kernel with SCO copyright disclaimers? Or is SCO claiming that they own somebody else's copyright disclaimers?
Who knows, maybe his argument makes sense in Japanese. God knows English isn't working for them!
Languages serve the needs of their speakers and not vice versa.
"I could care less" clearly carries the unvoiced addendum "..but it would be difficult."
You did understand what he meant--or you couldn't have offered your helpful correction--so his communication was successful.
SCO = Second-hand Copyright Organization?
Yeah, I use SCO as my server platform, and WinXP for my desktop. I'm a /. rebel, baby!
If you were a true rebel, you'd be using WinXP as a server and UnixWare (or some other SCO-crap) as a desktop.
Imagine the pain.
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
Well, not literally.. SCO doesn't have a patent on my ass. Quote from article.
McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members to show them code samples in which the Linux open-source operating system allegedly violates SCO's Unix patents, said an SCO spokesman.
According to the patent search I just did, there are only three patents, one by Caldera and two by Santa Cruz Operation. While they have patented some useful things, like using a network, you would not have to view code when you're trying to see if something violates a patent. Patents are about what things do, not specifically how they are built. If you had a patent on 'a method of printing "Hello World!", I could copy almost all of your code, but change mine to printf("SCO sucks"); and it would not be patent infringement. This would be a case of copyright infringement, so the question is 'why aren't they suing for copyright infringement'... if someone was infringing on my copyrights that's probably what I would sue them for. Unless, that is, I had no case whatsoever. What they are suing for is contract violation.... there is no way anyone can say jack shit about that unless they have read the contracts. What I will say though is that it is clear SCO is claiming rights to technologies: NUMA, SMP, etc. based on the fact that they were incorporated into an operating system that was derivative of Unix. This is what they do in the press.... this completely irresponsible slander.. but what they will say in court remains to be seen.
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I was wondering, what part of OpenServer is actually open?
Is is the code they "borrowed" from Linus?
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
In all seriousness SCO must be thinking that as long as they can stay in the news people will equate UNIX=SCO. So when the guys who make the money decisions and don't have a clue about technical things are told they need to buy UNIX they'll order the purchase of SCO Unix!
So there IS a method to this madness! Just stay in the News as LOUD and as LONG as possible and that way when the legal nonesense portion of the case is over they've gotten so much free and loud advertising that they might actually (gasp!) make a sale! Finally! It all makes sense! And if along the way they win some money somewhere, all the better (for SCO I mean).
Pull Bill Gate's cock out of your mouth you fucking homoslut. Maybe then you'll actually start thinking like a normal human being for a change.
... sorry, "pants"... the company owns some Unix Pants, that's all.
sorry for the confusion.
-pyrrho
OK, if Microsoft is Goliath, and considering the timing of CELF practically in response to both Microsoft and SCO simultaneously, wouldn't trying to lie to Toshiba and Sony to be sort of running at a swarm of Davids?
Help us build a better map!
It'll all be evidence against him in his "unfair restraint of trade" lawsuit that someone will no doubt bring against SCO when they lose the IBM suit...
I predict that SCO will not be bought out and will not make big bucks suing people. I predict that THEY will be sued and brought to bankruptcy by the lawsuits within the next couple of years.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
I bet not, or maybe just long enough to get himself thoroughly ignored if not derided.
The fact that he's going after CELF made their decsion shows how little weight SCO's suit carries in the real world. They couldn't even be bothered to talk to SCO beforehand.
"that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
Isnt SCO formerely Caldera? The ones who developed DR DOS, a good at the time alternative to MS/PC-DOS? Ironic that it's now trying to kill the competition.
Trolls dont like to be Flamebait, because they burn so well. Protect our Troll heritage!
As can be wittnessed in the classic "Cannibal the Musical" in which Alferd and friends stumble across a Ute Indian camp. The tribe was called the Nihon-jin. The Indians were all played by Japanese people from The uni and others.
Get the DVD, some friends, a bottle of Scotch and watch it with the directors commentary. very funny
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
I've just finished reading through the GPL and no where does it state that by using software covered by the GPL you will explicitly give credit to the GNU foundation by prepending GNU/ to the name of your product.
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
Two things
0 7-03.cfm, Caldera bought DR-DOS $400K, but got from law suit $155,000,000.
e .jhtml?articleID=10818216
0 .html also has a SCO spokesman refering to patents
1. According to http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2003/city_2003-
As far as I know (I guess somebody could check) they didn't purchase the UNIX source, or value it in their SEC reports, for anything like $1bn, or $3bn, let alone $50bn... so how can they claim billions of damages, if they bought it for a few millions, and valued it of the same order?
2. I keep seeing patents in lots of news articles about the case. My understanding is the case is about alleged contractual violations, alleged trade secret issues and alleged unfair competition etc.,
http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/showArticl
"McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members to show them code samples in which the Linux open-source operating system allegedly violates SCO's Unix patents, said an SCO spokesman"
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,59551,0
So the obvious questions are:
- Is the press getting it wrong?
- If the press is indeed getting it wrong, why are they (and not just one news source) getting it wrong?
http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/showArticle .jhtml?articleID=10818216
0 .html also has a SCO spokesman refering to patents
"McBride, who is fluent in Japanese, will visit with several founding members to show them code samples in which the Linux open-source operating system allegedly violates SCO's Unix patents, said an SCO spokesman"
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,59551,0
Just want to straighten everyone out on the Caldera suit against MS several years ago. A lot of people here seem to regard that suit as part of the same pattern SCO is persuing in the current fiasco.
In fact, Caldera's suit agains MS was far more similiar to Netscape's. MS screwed DR-DOS in the market-place with FUD, and technically by coding Windows 3.1 to break under it. Given MS-DOS's origins, it's likely that it had lots of copied code from it.
Furthermore, Darl & Co. weren't involved in the DR-DOS suit. Ray Noorda basically took it from Novell (or off their hands) when he left to run Caldera.
A lot of people approved of Caldera's actions at the time, because they clearly had a strong case and it was also clear that MS had strong-armed DR-DOS in the same way that eventually got them pulled into anti-trust court and declared a monopoly.
In other words, the DR-DOS case was a very different situation with a largely different set of characters involved. Microsoft deserved what it got there.
Linux, however, clearly doesn't deserve this shit.
http://saveie6.com/
CELF is all uni-processor. All SCOs claims are for SMP etc. I wonder how they will try to make this stick
Engineering is the art of compromise.
RIght.
Also Linus himself calls distributions Linux. Its his OS right? Yes it just the kernel bla bla but last time I checked only debian called itself Gnu/Linux.
1.)People call it Linux so its Linux.
2.)Only Debian can offer a truly "gnu" system so its the only distro that calls itself gnu/linux.
According to the gpl you can not have any proprietary or other freeware that is not gnu in your product and release it under the GPL. Also the license does not require a product to call itself gnu/x if its released under the gpl or does it require the author to assiocate his or her product as part of "gnu". However you can not call something "gnu" if its not released properly under the GPL.
This is why redhat Linux is linux while Debian is Debian gnu/linux.
http://saveie6.com/
This move just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this whole SCO escapade is publicity stunt designed to hurt Linux.
The only way to get fluent in Japanese is to live in Japan. If the article is true and McBride is fluent, then we can assume he has spent some time in Japan and knows something about business in Japan. This means he knows, that no matter what he tries in Japan, he will get absolutely nothing accomplished as far as suing the major Japanese players is concerned.
What he will get, however, is many industry leading, powerful corporations agreeing with him publically.
That is the Japanese way, maintain the "wa" (harmony.) Stay in agreement publically, while internally things are very different. McBride will use this "Public agreement" of Sony, Hitachi, Matsushita, Sharp, Phillips, Samsung, NEC, and Toshiba to cast even more FUD about linux. "Hey look, IBM may not think we have a case, but the Japanese giants unanimously agreed with everything we said."
This move is very, very smart for McBride if he plays it right. May he fry in hell.
If SCO's BS works then Apple can play the same game on Microsoft.
Don't prove infringment just make wild stupid "but the public won't know better" type clames.
After all Apple did give Microsoft the right to use the Mac os look and feel.
Or maybe whomever owns BSD today can clame ownership of some key Internet protocalls via todays insain patent system.
I don't actually exist.
The only reason I see for this trip is that Microsoft is behind all this! For one: it is only in M$ interest to hinder, slowdown and attack the Linux development and application. Second, M$ is having a hard battle at the embedded front. An SCO official which tries to influence decisions for embbedded application of Linux doesn't do that for the beneft of SCO, which isn't active in the embedded world. Only M$ has interests here....
I noticed that OpenServer was running on the terminals in my local Pizza Hut.
Queensland, Australia.
MODERATORS: MOD PARENT UP.
This may be one of the most insightful comments of this discussion. Too bad it was posted by an AC and a bit late... Anyone with some mod points left?
I code, therefore I am.
OK, so *whose* copyright disclaimers???
I just did:
cd linux
find . -name "*.[c|h]" |xargs grep "[Cc]opyright" |grep "[Ss][Cc][Oo]"
And a few variants thereof like "([Cc])", "IBM", "[Ss]anta" "[Cc]ruz" "Novell" and "[Mm]icro" and don't get much that looked out of place.
If it's as obvious as SCO claim, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what parts they are talking about.
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Can we just moderate SCO -1 Troll
in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that
Francis Smit
If the SCO case is thrown out at the end of the day what does American law allow for in the way of retribution should your Linux development projects have fallen behind or been damaged because of the FUD?
Can businesses using Linux sue for damages due to losses caused by malicious and unfounded prosecution? Could McBride be personally sued for being an arrogant, overly litigous arsehole who used the legal system as a weapon of offence rather than justice?
What would the odds be of arranging a personal lawsuit against mcbride on behalf of all companies that were affected by SCO's case. The possibility of personal bankruptcy may have an effect that is normally hidden by the cosy corporate liability thing. if this happened and SCO went down the pan followed by the contents of his own bank account would future employers be at all well disposed to taking on someone who behaves like a spoilt 5 year old with company funds?
Just wondering?
Hmmmmmm..... Deep fried and look like Squirrel.
That isn't keigo.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
Excellent to see that slashdoters are still wasting as much time as ever! I haven't been here in a while.
Yours humbly,
Ta bù shì dà yú
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Amen.
I dunno why I wrote 'that isn't keigo'... I guess I don't think of teineigo as 'keigo' but of course it is.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
Convincing them to actually switch will be harder, and I have no idea what it would take. One advantage lies in the nature of SCO deployments: if you stay compatible, you can replace the systems one by one which makes it a low-risk operation.
For best effect, convince them to issue a press release saying they're moving away from SCO because of SCO's predatory behavior towards its customers. For bonus points, have them cite intellectual property concerns.
we do...
/Dread
in fact, the only reason we never switched to another was there was basically no need, and it was on noones eyeball.
Thanks to Darl's claims, now it is.
Thank you Darl!
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"Flamebait"?!!!
Do you idiot moderators even know what the different moderation choices are?!!!
OFFTOPIC would have been ok, Troll would fit at a stretch. But FLAMEBAIT?!!! The post is actually going for REDUNDANT -- attempting a first post, and always failing. Why the hell do you think he attempts FPs as a reply to an existing post?!! I really hope you get nailed for inaccuracy in metamod, you big dope!
At first I also thought that this would be a PR atempt to add a twist to IBM vs SCOX
On second thought, McBride is more likely to simply try to peddle some licensing deals. This is not a PR visit, it is a sales call.
For this farce to end, the money supply to SCOX needs to be cut off. For example, making sure that potential licensors (CELF companies?) get the message that any money given to SCOX will get them ill will.
(Disclaimer: I'm short SCOX)