No, they're saying that the OS should only run software from the original developers and never be enhanced by anyone else - ESPECIALLY anything that could remotely be considered "open source."
In other words, users must only run Microsoft Windows - and stop asking us for updates and security patches because updates and patches are not reliable or secure.
In other words, give us your money and shut the fuck up.
Oh, yeah, this project has Bill's seal of approval on it, all right.
These are the sort of "brilliant guys" Microsoft hires - people with no fucking clue who accept the Microsoft way of doing things.
The concepts mentioned, by the way, are 180 degrees opposite of mine: an application should just be one more thing the OS knows how to do. In other words, total integration of OS and applications by requiring the application to be developed in the same manner as the OS as - not an extension - but an integration with the OS.
Not possible without an OS with conceptual processing ability, however.
Yeah, like the Navy ship that launched with much fanfare running Windows NT (no doubt courtesy of some bribes to the Pentagon.)
Which then went dead in the water and had to be towed back to port.
Whereas most of the submarine force software was designed by techies and runs on forms of Unix.
Buy a car that runs on Microsoft software? Hah! No chance. And the only plane I'll fly in that uses Microsoft avionics had better be one with an escape pod on every seat.
I agree. It would have been better had they started from the premise that an OS should be CORRECT in achieving the goals of being reliable, fast and secure (plus the principles stated below.)
Typical Microsoft Geek Moron(TM) lack of comprehension of the function of anything. What you get when you hire twenty-four year olds out of college after passing a puzzle test.
The proper principles for software are what I call the "3C's": Comprehension, Cooperation, Communication. Software should be comprehensible, work well with others, and be clear in its operation. More importantly, on a deeper level, software should have some form of understanding of what it's doing (so it can tell you when something goes wrong - or fix itself), should interoperate well with other software and users, and communicate clearly to same.
Nothing on the market comes close to having these qualities.
"There are many possible causes for this type of error, so we can't be more specific."
Because, like every other piece of software on the planet, we can't be bothered to actually keep track of what's going on in the program so we could tell you what the cause was. You'll notice our "new language" can't do that, either.
Besides, we like issuing stupid error messages like every other Geek Moron(TM). Communication is not our strong suit.
Besides, it would cost Bill money to do that - and that's not allowed around here.
"Part of the reason for that is the fact that I no longer have to think about using Vi-style keybindings, and adjusting to anything else would seriously hinder my productivity."
In other words, this moron is justifying using twice as many keystrokes to do a job because he doesn't want to spend the time converting to a GUI product.
Microsoft will probably license the technology from the company that developed it.
Oh, wait, no, Microsoft will APPEAR to license the technology from the company that developed it, then either buy them out or drive them into bankruptcy - then install the technology in Vista as a new "feature" for their Big Media clients.
Sony will then sue Microsoft for stealing "their" patented technology.
Then Microsoft will pay Sony $5 billion to settle the lawsuit.
Then the President of Sony and Gates will give a press conference and smile a lot about how they love each other (never mind about PS vs XBox.)
Sound familiar?
Meanwhile, no one will ever be able to play CDs or DVDs ever again - as long as they want a functioning computer.
All rock bands not doing direct broadcast over the Net of their concerts will go out of business, followed by the record labels.
The RIAA and several Senators (known to be on the payroll of the Russian-Israeli Mafia) will blame all this on P2P systems.
P2P systems will become illegal, and everybody having one installed on their PC will be sent to Guantanamo.
Given the quality of coverage of news, they deserve to go away. Start with the New York Times, a shill for the CIA and whoever is in power at the moment.
Only time I look at a paper now is if it's laying on my BART seat - or I'm at the laundry without a book to read.
Now if only we could get rid of broadcast news as easily...starting with the neocon pitbulls at Fox.
WiMax and other developments will cover entire cities, the backbone will remain as it is most likely (let's see SBC-cum-AT&T make money off that), and bandwidth will be localized and plentiful - except, again, on the backbone.
Spectrum crowded? Sure - again, for now. That will be dealt with as well when it becomes necessary.
Overbill the backbone, and somebody will step up to take that money away, eventually, too.
There are no monopolies without coercion. And if he thinks just having fat pipes and bribing the Feds not to force him to allow access to them is "coercion" - well, I'm reminded of the movie "Bandolero", where Dean Martin is preparing to rob a bank while a farmer with a bank loan in arrears is cussing out the teller, proclaiming "Me with a wife and kids, and roosters, to feed - and all this fool can say is 'nobody forced you'" - whereupon Dino forces his way to the teller cage and shows his gun: "This is force, Mister!"
This phone dinosaur is history, he just doesn't know it yet.
"the speaker had electrodes attached to his face and his neck, but the researchers think that these electrodes could be implanted into your mouth and your throat in a decade from now"
Karl Rove of course ran the electrodes...
Now we also know why Bush seemed so fried during one debate - the same electrodes give him a happy boost and also make him think God talks to him, so he can smite the Muslims.
It gets rewarded the same fucking way everything else does - you put a business plan together and outperform the competition. You think nobody else in the world has a problem with competition? Try opening a convenience store sometime!
Just more excuse. More theory. No evidence from any historical period. Not even evidence from economic theory.
Nobody has ever said that without IP ANYBODY has to work for free. Doesn't logically follow in any respect.
Support for inventors and their inventions could come from any source that has resources developed from other lines of endeavor and whose profits would be influenced by new inventions.
There is NO difference between someone committing resources to ANY business model and someone committing resources to R&D. There is risk and profit in both cases, entirely depending on the business model and execution of that model.
Blanket statements about "working for free" are bullshit.
He got a $500,000 bribe from the Turks to make sure they're "genuine."
After all, as George Burns used to say, "Sincerity is the most important thing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
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Well, in this case, I don't think it's Linux vs Windows. I just did the same experiment on my Windows XP side using OpenOffice 2.0: first load using Quickstarter, 8 seconds. Second load, after turning off Java, and presumably relying on the Windows cache, one second. My CPU is the same as yours, 512MB RAM, 160GB WD HD.
I haven't tested any large spreadsheets for large memory usage, but I haven't noticed any particular slowness about OO. But then I don't use Excel or an Office stuff on a daily basis, so I can't really compare.
In response to the article, it should be noted that Microsoft's Vista is going to need 512MB of RAM just to run the OS, so I don't think Ou's in a position to complain about OSS "bloat."
Also, I'm not sure memory bloat is even relevant except to the degree that it perceptibly slows down the entire system. If you have enough memory to use the app effectively, then by definition it's irrelevant. Once you start running a ton of apps at once, both Linux and Windows will swap, and then the issue is how fast the user can multitask and how fast the hard drive is in swapping the apps back in.
In other words, less memory usage is a nice design goal, but how often is it a real issue? On servers running server apps it may be, but how many people really run OpenOffice from a server?
Considering that Windows XP has forty million lines of code, and Linux doesn't come anywhere near that, who is the purveyor of bloat?
See, we hired this guy using our (patented) hiring process which entails answering a bunch of clever puzzle questions and IQ tests and also tested how much system minutiae he could remember after being exposed to it for thirty seconds. Our typical "geek moron employment" process.
But we didn't test his ability to reason or understand the law. That's not our policy. We don't want anyone working for us who has either scruples or common sense.
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No, they're saying that the OS should only run software from the original developers and never be enhanced by anyone else - ESPECIALLY anything that could remotely be considered "open source."
In other words, users must only run Microsoft Windows - and stop asking us for updates and security patches because updates and patches are not reliable or secure.
In other words, give us your money and shut the fuck up.
Oh, yeah, this project has Bill's seal of approval on it, all right.
These are the sort of "brilliant guys" Microsoft hires - people with no fucking clue who accept the Microsoft way of doing things.
The concepts mentioned, by the way, are 180 degrees opposite of mine: an application should just be one more thing the OS knows how to do. In other words, total integration of OS and applications by requiring the application to be developed in the same manner as the OS as - not an extension - but an integration with the OS.
Not possible without an OS with conceptual processing ability, however.
Bill, Steve says answer your email: another of our servers has crashed from those damn Linux zealots at Slashdot.
1. One who pays a stipulated sum in return for regular meals or for meals and lodging - or software (see "Subscription Pricing.")
2. One who goes on board a vessel as part of an assault or military action: repel all boarders. (See "Linux as Threat to Microsoft.")
Sounds like Microsoft's thinking to me.
Yeah, like the Navy ship that launched with much fanfare running Windows NT (no doubt courtesy of some bribes to the Pentagon.)
Which then went dead in the water and had to be towed back to port.
Whereas most of the submarine force software was designed by techies and runs on forms of Unix.
Buy a car that runs on Microsoft software? Hah! No chance. And the only plane I'll fly in that uses Microsoft avionics had better be one with an escape pod on every seat.
We wish.
Not from Microsoft. No way, Jose.
More likely, they've invented Ah-nuld. Something to beat more customers into submission and take their money.
They should rename all their OS "Bank Account Drainer."
I agree. It would have been better had they started from the premise that an OS should be CORRECT in achieving the goals of being reliable, fast and secure (plus the principles stated below.)
Typical Microsoft Geek Moron(TM) lack of comprehension of the function of anything. What you get when you hire twenty-four year olds out of college after passing a puzzle test.
The proper principles for software are what I call the "3C's": Comprehension, Cooperation, Communication. Software should be comprehensible, work well with others, and be clear in its operation. More importantly, on a deeper level, software should have some form of understanding of what it's doing (so it can tell you when something goes wrong - or fix itself), should interoperate well with other software and users, and communicate clearly to same.
Nothing on the market comes close to having these qualities.
I think these are called "modules".
Invented back in the 1970's, if I recall...
Microsoft catches up to the past again.
"There are many possible causes for this type of error, so we can't be more specific."
Because, like every other piece of software on the planet, we can't be bothered to actually keep track of what's going on in the program so we could tell you what the cause was. You'll notice our "new language" can't do that, either.
Besides, we like issuing stupid error messages like every other Geek Moron(TM). Communication is not our strong suit.
Besides, it would cost Bill money to do that - and that's not allowed around here.
And how would that be different from every other OS Microsoft has ever released?
They're all money sinks into Bill's pocket. They have no other purpose, let alone trying to extend the state of computer science or IT productivity.
How is that different from every other OS Microsoft has ever released?
the Linux-Is-Harder-Than-Windows crowd says?
"Part of the reason for that is the fact that I no longer have to think about using Vi-style keybindings, and adjusting to anything else would seriously hinder my productivity."
In other words, this moron is justifying using twice as many keystrokes to do a job because he doesn't want to spend the time converting to a GUI product.
Happy metacarpal tunnel syndrome, clown.
Microsoft will probably license the technology from the company that developed it.
Oh, wait, no, Microsoft will APPEAR to license the technology from the company that developed it, then either buy them out or drive them into bankruptcy - then install the technology in Vista as a new "feature" for their Big Media clients.
Sony will then sue Microsoft for stealing "their" patented technology.
Then Microsoft will pay Sony $5 billion to settle the lawsuit.
Then the President of Sony and Gates will give a press conference and smile a lot about how they love each other (never mind about PS vs XBox.)
Sound familiar?
Meanwhile, no one will ever be able to play CDs or DVDs ever again - as long as they want a functioning computer.
All rock bands not doing direct broadcast over the Net of their concerts will go out of business, followed by the record labels.
The RIAA and several Senators (known to be on the payroll of the Russian-Israeli Mafia) will blame all this on P2P systems.
P2P systems will become illegal, and everybody having one installed on their PC will be sent to Guantanamo.
Given the quality of coverage of news, they deserve to go away. Start with the New York Times, a shill for the CIA and whoever is in power at the moment.
Only time I look at a paper now is if it's laying on my BART seat - or I'm at the laundry without a book to read.
Now if only we could get rid of broadcast news as easily...starting with the neocon pitbulls at Fox.
Prefix your post with the word "Now"...
WiMax and other developments will cover entire cities, the backbone will remain as it is most likely (let's see SBC-cum-AT&T make money off that), and bandwidth will be localized and plentiful - except, again, on the backbone.
Spectrum crowded? Sure - again, for now. That will be dealt with as well when it becomes necessary.
Overbill the backbone, and somebody will step up to take that money away, eventually, too.
There are no monopolies without coercion. And if he thinks just having fat pipes and bribing the Feds not to force him to allow access to them is "coercion" - well, I'm reminded of the movie "Bandolero", where Dean Martin is preparing to rob a bank while a farmer with a bank loan in arrears is cussing out the teller, proclaiming "Me with a wife and kids, and roosters, to feed - and all this fool can say is 'nobody forced you'" - whereupon Dino forces his way to the teller cage and shows his gun: "This is force, Mister!"
This phone dinosaur is history, he just doesn't know it yet.
Not a chance.
Give it a few years, wireless will do anything your "pipes" do, moron.
And it won't be owned by you, it will be owned by Google.
Have a nice day, dinosaur.
"the speaker had electrodes attached to his face and his neck, but the researchers think that these electrodes could be implanted into your mouth and your throat in a decade from now"
Karl Rove of course ran the electrodes...
Now we also know why Bush seemed so fried during one debate - the same electrodes give him a happy boost and also make him think God talks to him, so he can smite the Muslims.
Jesus, you people sound like a broken record.
Get some fucking imagination.
It gets rewarded the same fucking way everything else does - you put a business plan together and outperform the competition. You think nobody else in the world has a problem with competition? Try opening a convenience store sometime!
You people are simply clueless.
Absolutely nothing you've said is relevant.
Just more excuse. More theory. No evidence from any historical period. Not even evidence from economic theory.
Nobody has ever said that without IP ANYBODY has to work for free. Doesn't logically follow in any respect.
Support for inventors and their inventions could come from any source that has resources developed from other lines of endeavor and whose profits would be influenced by new inventions.
There is NO difference between someone committing resources to ANY business model and someone committing resources to R&D. There is risk and profit in both cases, entirely depending on the business model and execution of that model.
Blanket statements about "working for free" are bullshit.
When is somebody going to do to him what is being done to Judy Miller - namely, get rid of the fucking, lying, agenda-pushing asshole?
Sure they're genuine.
He got a $500,000 bribe from the Turks to make sure they're "genuine."
After all, as George Burns used to say, "Sincerity is the most important thing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
Well, in this case, I don't think it's Linux vs Windows. I just did the same experiment on my Windows XP side using OpenOffice 2.0: first load using Quickstarter, 8 seconds. Second load, after turning off Java, and presumably relying on the Windows cache, one second. My CPU is the same as yours, 512MB RAM, 160GB WD HD.
I haven't tested any large spreadsheets for large memory usage, but I haven't noticed any particular slowness about OO. But then I don't use Excel or an Office stuff on a daily basis, so I can't really compare.
In response to the article, it should be noted that Microsoft's Vista is going to need 512MB of RAM just to run the OS, so I don't think Ou's in a position to complain about OSS "bloat."
Also, I'm not sure memory bloat is even relevant except to the degree that it perceptibly slows down the entire system. If you have enough memory to use the app effectively, then by definition it's irrelevant. Once you start running a ton of apps at once, both Linux and Windows will swap, and then the issue is how fast the user can multitask and how fast the hard drive is in swapping the apps back in.
In other words, less memory usage is a nice design goal, but how often is it a real issue? On servers running server apps it may be, but how many people really run OpenOffice from a server?
Considering that Windows XP has forty million lines of code, and Linux doesn't come anywhere near that, who is the purveyor of bloat?
See, we hired this guy using our (patented) hiring process which entails answering a bunch of clever puzzle questions and IQ tests and also tested how much system minutiae he could remember after being exposed to it for thirty seconds. Our typical "geek moron employment" process.
But we didn't test his ability to reason or understand the law. That's not our policy. We don't want anyone working for us who has either scruples or common sense.
We want coders and liars - that's it.
Our employee eats Twinkies - what can we say?
Better yet:
Bill eats Twinkies - what can we say?
Worked for Dan White...
Oh, wait, that defense is banned now...
Oh, wait, that defense is being un-banned so it can be used by Dick Cheney after tomorrow's indictments...
how many /. idiots want to troubleshoot his network for him without the slightest clue what the network even is.
/. - and thus prove what a moron I really am!
All he said was, "What Linux tools can I use to troubleshoot a network"?
Oh, no, I gotta be a bigger geek than anyone else on
Point him to Linux network analysis tools like ethereal or network inventory tools or whatever - and otherwise shut the fuck up.
Morons.