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Elect NoSoftwarePatents as European Of The Year

Aargh writes "Every year a public Internet poll is taken to vote for, amongst others, the "European of the Year". This year, the founder of NoSoftwarePatents.com has been selected as a candidate. Taken from the NoSoftwarePatents.com site: "We now have a first-rate opportunity to make political leaders, media and citizens all over the world realize the significance of our cause. Please give us your vote, and help us gain more votes, so that the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents campaign be elected as the new 'European of the Year'." Non-europeans can also vote, so why dont we unleash the slashdot hordes?" Mr. Mueller had been exchanging e-mails recently on this subject; thanks to an introduction from Kaj Arnö. I truly do think that given his, and the organization's work that they deserve to win. Check out the celebrity endorsements as well. *grin* Also, worth reading their voting guide if you are going to vote.

180 comments

  1. Despite not being able to read that site... by Fridgey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll just do what slashdot tells me to and vote anyway!1!

    1. Re:Despite not being able to read that site... by utnow · · Score: 1

      Yay! now he can have the hoards of slashdotters voting AGAINST him because it'll be funny.

    2. Re:Despite not being able to read that site... by frisket · · Score: 4, Interesting
      OK, so we /.'d the site. But WTF is it on box running an operating system, made by one of the biggest offenders in the patent business?
      Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
      [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections
      E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9
    3. Re:Despite not being able to read that site... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Not surprising considering the site is 'in association with microsoft'.

    4. Re:Despite not being able to read that site... by gentoo1337 · · Score: 1

      I would like to further stress the vital importance of voting on this one. As Florian says:

      Richard Stallman, Tim O'Reilly, Alan Cox, Rasmus Lerdorf and Monty Widenius endorse Florian Mueller's candidacy "because he runs on a NoSoftwarePatents ticket, and that is the message we want to reinforce"

      Say what you want about Stallman, but I think it should be clear that this is a very important issue.

      Or what about: a Microsoft-sponsored price ending up in the hands of FFII, one of their dearest enemies if we win (RTA)? :-)

      On a more formal note, I'm especially concerned as the phrasing of the /. summary may give an impression that things are less urgent than they, in fact, are. (And winning this vote is very important, in order to help things shift direction.)

      I am not sure how many votes are going into EV50, but I believe we'd better be on the safe side. The fight for the EV50 votes is not in any way over; for the sake of the future climate in the software business, I think it will be costly for us to miss an opportunity like this.

      See for yourself what it is about - from the articles it's clear to me that if you're against software patents, this should be a pretty straightforward vote in every sense. (*)

      So please consider things, talk to others and vote ! (Remember, everyone is allowed.)

      Less than a month remaining, come on guys and gals, a little effort from you - together we're strong!

      (*) FINE PRINT:

      Some may see a problem with the vote requirements (e.g. mandatory selections); I for one don't (others have explained my reasoning here pretty well).

  2. Also read the reasons for their nominations by Morosoph · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since a block vote is, well, unconvincing.

    Many of the voting recommendations have more to do with politics than patents; when it has little to do with patents, it might be worth disobeying the recommendations in order to make a real vote, rather than simply boosting an arbitary choice.

    I wish in fact that NoSoftwarePatents.com had made no recommendation when the was no patent-related issues for that candidate. Such block-voting recommendations also make it easier for people to write this kind of idiocy.

    1. Re:Also read the reasons for their nominations by ErrorBase · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you took the time to actually read the voting recommendations, you'll see that some of the proposed candidates are actually generated at random. actually encouraging to pick one of your own choice. but helpful for the decision impaired.

    2. Re:Also read the reasons for their nominations by MattGS · · Score: 1

      > Such block-voting recommendations also make it easier for people to write this kind of idiocy.

      I admit that I'm not very good at politics and economics but what troubles me most about said idiocy is that a website about free markets ("Where Free Markets Meet Technology") patronises software patents. I've always thought of patents to be monopolies sanctioned by the gouvernment. Not quite my idea of a free market.

      I think it's websites like this that are responsible for me getting a nervous twitch every time I hear politicians and lobbyists using the term "free market". And somehow it makes me want to read Animal Farm. Strange.

    3. Re:Also read the reasons for their nominations by micronicos · · Score: 1

      This is a VERY important VOTE!! Please VOTE! And I would point out that NoSoftwarePatents.com did qualify the other choices - give people some credit!

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      Nico M, London, GB.
  3. Do not vote if you have no clue by vinlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the voting form requires to vote for all categories it is not a good thing to do this if you have no clue who all these people are. Even I, as a overaddict news consuming European, have no clue what to choose for most of the categories because here in Europe news sources are mostly nation minded and therefore very fragmented.

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    1. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by rar · · Score: 1

      As the voting form requires to vote for all categories it is not a good thing to do this if you have no clue who all these people are.

      So, can someone with insight please line up the best patent-antanagonist choices in each categories (for extra credit: include motivations), so the crowd can wild...

    2. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are some suggestions on the NoSoftwarePatents site, if you're really stuck for choice. Obviously, read the justification under each one and see if you agree...

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    3. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by vinlud · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Business Leader of the Year: Anne Lauvergeon
      We have no particular problem with any of the five candidates, nor do we have a strong preference for someone. The recommendation above was made by a random generator.


      Well, this is exactly the way not to go. Instead of giving an advice people have to judge for themselves and that regarding the patents issue the candidates are equal they take a random recommendation!

      And ofcourse voting should have been possible with categories unselected, it is really a major error on behalve of the builder.

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    4. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 1

      And ofcourse voting should have been possible with categories unselected, it is really a major error on behalve of the builder.

      Spot on. In my view, though, with such a large number of voters (hopefully anyway - come on slashdot) a random selection is the next best thing to "none of the above", as it will not favour any particular candidate. It isn't ideal, obviously.

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    5. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Awesome. When Slashdot doesn't have the answer for what I should do, NoSoftwarePatents does. Yay! I can continue being a mindless lemming.

    6. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by Znork · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Well, this is exactly the way not to go."

      The random recommendations are just that; random. New randomization each time you load the page. Try it a few times.

      Statistically, people voting using only the nosoftwarepatents recommendations should favor none of the candidates in the unrelated polls, so as far as avoiding any undesired deviations in a poll with these rules I think that's the best it can get.

    7. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by 955301 · · Score: 1

      It's not our fault they lumped various categories of votable awards into one gigantiturd as oppose to allowing votes on individual polls. But it does work out in the end if people guess on the options they don't know, since statistically speaking, guessing washes out as noise.

      Now, mind you, from slashdot, that's a lot of noise, but noise nonetheless.

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    8. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by Wellspring · · Score: 1

      Even worse is the vote for the Diplomat of the Year. They recommend Marc Otte on the basis of "he plays an important role in the peace process in Palestine".

      WTF???

      I actually LIKED that they weren't issuing recommendations except on the basis of their patent position. Listen, this award isn't just about software patents. When you're casting your vote, you're implying a position on scores of issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with IT. Be VERY careful before accepting their recommendations.

      Ultimately, they're a single issue lobbying group. Their position on the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, or the Orange revolution in Ukraine, or the dictatorship in Belarus, or anything else is totally off topic. They're entitled to their opinion, but don't be a lemming.

    9. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Ok, and what if you vote with the options given to you by NoSoftwarePatents.com, as I indicated in my original post.

      IE, people are not voting randomly... they are voting according to the whims of the website.

    10. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by PhotoBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well here's an easy voting tip: Don't vote for Tony Blair in anything, he's pro-patents and he's a lying scumbag too. Just ask him where all of Saddam's WMDs are!

    11. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by Taladar · · Score: 1
      and he's a lying scumbag too
      Most /. readers already know he is a politician so what is your point...
    12. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by 955301 · · Score: 1

      NoSoftwarePatents.com randomizes the vote selections it suggests that bear no relevance to the problem, as someone indicated in their original post.

      Hit your refresh button next time your at the suggested selection page.

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    13. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they make selections for you. They randomize a couple of the selections that they feel are acceptable. There is still a bias in there. Read the captions. They say things like "randomized out of the 2 we thought were ok."

    14. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by 955301 · · Score: 1

      Okay, hold up a second. Are you high? Because they're suggesting you vote for people who believe software patents shouldn't exist, explaining their position and the candidates they have in mind, and you're saying their biased because the recommendations they give aren't completely randomized? Well duh! Of course their biased - towards people who don't want software patents! And two of the given candidates in one slot supported their efforts so they suggested both.

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    15. Re:Do not vote if you have no clue by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Dude,

      The political prisoner and journalists have nothing to do with software patents.

      Seriously.

      Read what you're talking about before accusing me of being high. I am accurate on this one. You can keep running down this trail, but it makes you no more accurate.

  4. Voting Site runs ASP! W00t! W00t! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    But unfortunately, their database is MySQL, so no easy ballot-box stuffing, alas :-(

    But you can check how your friends voted, hehe, to make sure that they are indeed as pro-freedom as they claim they are...

  5. Lets hear it for scalability by NitsujTPU · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

    [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections

    E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9

    1. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by strider44 · · Score: 1

      You can see the great effect Microsoft patents are having on that site.

    2. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      I'll try again when the story is duped 8-).

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    3. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by k0de · · Score: 1

      That's a MySQL limitation/error, not Microsoft.

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      I'm wrong and so are you.
    4. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Bubble666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.ev50.com/poll/
      Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

      [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections

      E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9


      I got the same error message, I wonder what kind of Admin would setup a webserver with asp/mysql, and for a voting pool i mean, you gotta be a Stupid m*f* to think it'll handle a somewhat reasonable workload... why oh why did they not use something descent like *nix/apache with something like postgreSQL, it seems to me like a win win solution.

    5. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      ...it seems to me like a win win solution.

      Nope, it's not. ASP + MS SQL Server would be a win win solution. What they have is an win unix solution ;-)

      That's why it only half insecure by the way: you can browse what everybody before you voted (ASP), but you can't change how they voted (MySql).

    6. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 1

      why oh why did they not use something descent like *nix/apache with something like postgreSQL, it seems to me like a win win solution.

      Probably because they had limited time, skills and resources (i.e. they live in the real world) so they used what tools they had experience with.

    7. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Bubble666 · · Score: 1

      ASP + MS SQL Server would be a win win solution. What they have is an win unix solution ;-)
      Heh, Funny, I wonder if MS SQL woulda helped in that specific case, I still think an Admin with scalability on is right mind woulda been running php, or some obscure perl script, with pgsql :)

    8. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Bubble666 · · Score: 1

      Probably because they had limited time, skills and resources (i.e. they live in the real world) so they used what tools they had experience with.

      Yeah, they probably did'nt had the skills to find a proper solution in time, but as of resources(i.e. hardware) i think that if they can manage to run IIS, they can manage to run a descent solution, dont get me wrong IIS is notting but a descent solution.

      But lets keep it real.. if you can write something like:

      set con = server.createobject("ADODB.Connection") con.Open "Driver={ODBC 3.51 Driver};UID=;PWD=;Exclusive=No;SourceType=DBF;Sour ceDB=C:\Inetpub\blah;Backgroundfetch=No"

      or this:

      $db = pg_connect("dbname=friends");

      would'nt seem harder to me
      and for the rest.. well any usefull programmer would pull it out, weither its in php or asp, so it cant really be the skills...nor the ressources.. as for the time... well.. i can setup the Server for it in about 2 hour.

    9. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by digidave · · Score: 1

      "why oh why did they not use something descent like *nix/apache with something like postgreSQL, it seems to me like a win win solution."

      Or they could just train someone to change the default settings on MySQL. Nearly all MySQL errors such as this one are due to the default number of connections being used. Even if the DBA doesn't know how to tune most of the paramaters, simply doubling the allowed connections would probably have helped a lot.

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    10. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by 955301 · · Score: 1


      it's neither actually. It's a demonstrated lack of load testing. The db is simply misconfigured.

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    11. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Vihai · · Score: 1


      This means that al this stuff has been programmed by clueless people:

      Microsoft Cursor Engine error '80040e38'
      Row cannot be located for updating. Some values may have been changed since it was last read.
      E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 77

    12. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by kylie69 · · Score: 1

      of course! Micro$oft is one of the sponsors. And we should consider the /. effect too

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    13. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Heh, Funny, I wonder if MS SQL woulda helped in that specific case

      It certainly would have helped Florian Müller, hehe...

      I still think an Admin with scalability on is right mind woulda been running php, or some obscure perl script, with pgsql :)

      Actually, Php is more scalable, because it doesn't need to load the interpreter on each page invocation, as Perl would (unless he used mod_perl).

    14. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      And I mean... WTF? Resources??

      This is the EU we're talking about not some mom'n'pop organisation.

      The site designers are probably setup for life on the proceeds.

    15. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by 6*7 · · Score: 1

      The usual mindless mysql bashing. ASP/mysql is no problem IF the admins/developers:
      -increase the max of mysql connections (if seen it handle 2000 without problems)
      -do connection pooling in the ASP framework

    16. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by MullerMn · · Score: 1

      But that's OK because MySQL corrupts the data before it stores it anyway ;)

    17. Re:Lets hear it for scalability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > $db = pg_connect("dbname=friends");

      If you're doing that, then you failed, and you should not be working in the IT industry.

      if you _must_ use PHP, then you should know that PHP has real database abstraction libraries that you could use instead.
      The ASP way was infinitely better than your PHP example, because it allows them to develop on MySQL or MS SQL server, and then switch to PostgreSQL or Oracle or DB/2 for production with minimal code changes.

  6. Junk by Decameron81 · · Score: 1

    Making it mandatory for people voting to vote in each and every cathegory is a good way to create junk results in my opinion. Can someone tell me how I can vote if I have no clue of what most of those people did?

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    1. Re:Junk by SimilarityEngine · · Score: 1

      Roll a dice. And tell your friends to do the same, in the catagories they know nothing about. The combined effect of hundreds of random choices in those catagories will then not be biased towards any particular candidate.

      (Half joking....) :-)

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    2. Re:Junk by ErrorBase · · Score: 1

      Done that. Reade the voting recommendations and then do a refresh ...
      Decisions, decisions ...

    3. Re:Junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you "have no clue of what most of those people did" then you have no business voting.

      Get educated on the issues first and become and informed and productive member of society.

    4. Re:Junk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's cute -- I didnt realise that it was randomising it for me, so I did
      echo $(($RANDOM % <num_of_choices> +1))
      , and randomised it again
    5. Re:Junk by Decameron81 · · Score: 1

      Oh but I do have an interest in no software patents. So I do have a place to vote there. If you think otherwise then that's your problem, but since I don't live in europe I see no reason why I should know about the other topics.

      Btw, nice display of your moronic points of view.

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  7. Voting guide... by sznupi · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, thsi reminds me of old joke...
    School teachear giving homework: "children, please write who's your idol, and why Lenin"

    Luckily the background isn't the same :P

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    1. Re:Voting guide... by jlp2097 · · Score: 0

      Considering your spelling and grammar, you probably decided to not listen to your teacher after that :-)

    2. Re:Voting guide... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      It definetelly wouldn't be English teacher in times when the joke would be true :P

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  8. Too lazy, need a script by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why doesn't someone write a greasemonkey script to mark all these votes ?

    Then I can install it, click Vote and be done about it :D

    Or on the other hand, I could read up on who all these people are before voting. NOT !!!

  9. Flawed voting by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The form requires one to place a vote in all categories, even if I don't know who the people are or if I support none of them. This quite simply bullshit. To support one candidate I'll have support others I care none for.

    This is supposed to be politics. This is supposed to mean somthing! How can they err on such a simple thing as a flawed system of voting when it is the foundation of democracy?

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    1. Re:Flawed voting by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhh. If you keep saying things like that, you'll limit the ability of despots to control us.

      Guess who's going to visit you in prison? Noone, since we can't visit you at their Guantanamo.

    2. Re:Flawed voting by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      I should clarify that I don't actually believe that Guantanamo is being used like that. If I was running some variety of Illuminati, the prison would be super-secret, and impossible to find.

    3. Re:Flawed voting by nagora · · Score: 0
      If I was running some variety of Illuminati, the prison would be super-secret, and impossible to find.

      You've missed the point: when you are true Illuminati you parade your control in front of the masses, who are unable to do anything about it. That's why Guantanamo is public: to send out a signal to the rest of the world that the USA can do whatever the fuck it likes and no one can do squat about it (particularly Cuba). This is a very common habit in empires.

      TWW

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    4. Re:Flawed voting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is supposed to be politics. This is supposed to mean somthing! How can they err on such a simple thing as a flawed system of voting when it is the foundation of democracy?

      It's an internet/newspaper poll, followed by a black-tie dinner and an awards ceremony. I think we can forgive them.

    5. Re:Flawed voting by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      How can they err on such a simple thing as a flawed system of voting when it is the foundation of democracy?

      Please point out the one country you think has this correct in it's national elections. All "democracies" are self-imposed delusions. Once every four years? Pluuuease. All voting systems in use are flawed, but they work out well for those who know how to work the system, so it's alright I suppose...

    6. Re:Flawed voting by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      It's an internet/newspaper poll, followed by a black-tie dinner and an awards ceremony. I think we can forgive them.

      If it creates publicity it creates opinion, and therefore effects other situations.
      Just because it is grassroot democracy doesn't mean it is unimportant. Every election counts. Even Slashdot polls count, even if it's irrational. People aren't rational beings.

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    7. Re:Flawed voting by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      Please point out the one country you think has this correct in it's national elections. All "democracies" are self-imposed delusions. Once every four years? Pluuuease. All voting systems in use are flawed, but they work out well for those who know how to work the system, so it's alright I suppose...

      None at all. I'm an anarchist, and I like to think I'm creating public awareness this way. And it's not alright, as is obvious by looking around a bit.

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  10. Tough choice by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was a tough choice between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the no software patent guy.

    Voted for Florian though because I think that is the best choice for a more free economy.

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    1. Re:Tough choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent is obviously Dutch. This makes it all the more sad that he actually _considered_ voting for that Ayaan Hirsi Ali. In contrast to the public opinion, it is out of ideology that she acts as if she is concerned about oppressed Muslim women in Dutch society. For her, its a PERSONAL battle. She has way to much emotion to handle this in any reasonable way. It is like having crime victims judge criminals.

      In addition, she likes being in the center of the attention, and plays the masses almost as good as certain late politicians (there is nothing wrong with being a demagogue, unless you are one of the sheep that doesn't know his or her true intentions. I do not think it's smart to trust people like this).

      I think we are lucky there is not any political party that really likes or trusts her (making a swap from socialist to liberal as she did sure does not inspire much trust). I know for a fact the liberal VVD would prefer to loose her if she wouldn't make a big fuss out of it when they somehow tried to dump her.

    2. Re:Tough choice by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 0

      Don't be sad now, just respect my opinion as I do yours.

      I have my reasons to respect her, but I won't go into them now, don't want to start a flamefest because my opinion might be the less popular one.

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    3. Re:Tough choice by lixee · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, Ayaan seems to like starting flames (litteraly deadly ones). Basic knowledge of Islam shows she never did RTFMs before opening her mouth. It may be Ok on /. but an MP not doing his/her homework, that's another story.

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    4. Re:Tough choice by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      How many people stay in the limelight like she does?
      Even when there are real people really wanting to kill her, the army protecting her by flying her out of the country every time something happens.

      She could have chosen an easier life, but she is still fighting. That's one of the things I respect about her. And she may piss some people off, good, this country (The Netherlands) needs some more action and vocal politicians.

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    5. Re:Tough choice by lixee · · Score: 1

      That's interresting! I didn't know about her being under protection. She's something, alright. Now, to get back to the topic, I'm glad you picked Mr. Mueller who's apparently been more involved in fighting for "the greater good" as opposed to "the personal beliefs" (as honorable as the latter may be).

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    6. Re:Tough choice by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      hehe you're not dutch then, or you would have known.
      Ever since Theo van Gogh was killed last year she's had a shitload of protection, she hasn't been really safe since that moment.

      From what I know, she was more famous for fighting the opression of muslim women and fighting against female circumcision and I support her 100% in that fight.

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    7. Re:Tough choice by lixee · · Score: 1

      I happen to be Morrocan! Muslim women are indeed lagging way behind occidental ones in emancipation terms, that is a fact. But blaming it on our prophet is nonsense. Just so you know, there's been a whole chapter named "the women" in the quran that ensures giving them basic rights in times when every baby girl was buried alive in Arabia and when European were not giving them much rights either. The Prophet Muhamad did, AFAIK, marry a teenager. Another undeniable fact. What you must know is that in most Arab countries it's still common practice (it's supposed to protect them from having sex). I totally condemn it, and two years ago, Morroco set the legal age to 18 (which is still not truly respected in rural areas). Circumcision is extremly rare in the Islamic world. It's practiced in Somalia (coincidence???), Ethiopia and a couple of countries in the middle east. Never has the Prophet supported such barbarious acts by any mean. Did ever Jesus ask priests to have sex with kids? I bet not. Still, it's a fact today that many priests do. You don't find muslims blaming it on Jesus, do you? I'd totally consider supporting her work if she didn't drag the prophet into it. Too bad she did.

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    8. Re:Tough choice by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Ok, look at it this way then, there are good muslims and bad muslims.
      The good muslims aren't a problem, being good and all.

      The bad muslims are the ones that have a very conservative interpretation of the Quran (sorry if I didn't spell it right, normally I spell the dutch version Koran) and a view of the world like it's them vs us.

      A small group of the bad muslims are the extremists, killing people all around. These are the people she is targeting, not you. I'm sorry that you were offended by what she said about your prophet, I don't agree with everything she says and if she mentions stuff like marrying very young women, she should also give the context of the culture during that time period.

      Btw, I'm not saying that all that happened in the past here in the "west" is something to be proud of, but at this moment, we are making great strides toward stuff like equality of the sexes, less violence on the streets (even if that damn media is making a circus of every violent event) and improved integration of foreigners in the NL (even if I don't like a lot of stuff the minister Verdonk is doing)

      Please don't get mad at me :)

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    9. Re:Tough choice by lixee · · Score: 1

      Relax; I'm not mad at anybody. I merely wouldn't rejoyce if she won the title as that may broaden her audience and add credit to her speech. That could, to some extent, make "the bad guys" believe it's time to silence her and thus widen the gap between communities. Granted! That's far fetched, yet very plausible.

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  11. Why MySQL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    They should use a professional database such as Microsoft SQL Server (tm), not such unsupported open sores ware.

    (... pshht! but don't tell them that this will make it easier for us to fix the vote too...)

  12. not the first by manojar · · Score: 1, Funny

    this doesn't look like the first time Americans want to decide European policies!

    1. Re:not the first by enjahova · · Score: 1

      I doubt that the Americans pushing software patents and other heavyhanded Intellectual Property policies on Europe wouldn't be the first time either.

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  13. Sweet irony by laurensv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    poll in association with Microsoft.
    Imagine some bobo from MS handing over the prize to the guy from NoSoftwarePatents.
    (I know the organisation would let it come to that, but Microsoft would still be on all the promo material, press releases,...)

    1. Re:Sweet irony by Drencrom · · Score: 1

      Maybe they installed some Diebold voting machines to do the counting :) I guess Bull Gates will be te european of the year then.

  14. If you have no clue, please read by TheTilde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    please read their recommandations on their voting guide. The recommandations are sensible and argumented, and when they don't want to choose (business leader of the year) they generate a random choice. I found it quite funny.

    The issue is important.

  15. Disagree by Da3vid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't say that I agree with the idea to remove software patents. Where I can see that copyright will protect your program, what if its a novel idea in software design that you want to patent? It seems to me that copyrights protect individual works, but patents protect novel ideas and inventions. Perhaps what needs to be done is not to eliminate software patents, but re-define the borders of what is granted a patent and what isn't, and make it more difficult to obtain erroneous patents.

    -Da3vid-

    1. Re:Disagree by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Software is math. You can't patent math, why can you patent software?

      Note that even without software patents, it doesn't mean it's impossible to get patents relating to a software product, it only means you cannot patent the algorithms themselves.

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    2. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You probably get lots of replies. I advice you to have a look on the various anti-patents sites if you have not already.

      - Software is generally implemented much quicker and with much less costs then ideas in the physical world. Even you could have a good idea and since there are _NO_ costs associated with reproducing your idea you can bring it on the market quickly. Unless ofcourse, you want to patent it. Then you spend $50000 at least on lawyers and patent costs. And you do not even know if this is going to work. This is way most small companies are not going to patent their SW ideas.

      - 20 years for a patent effectively makes the idea useless for society, the software moves much faster then real-world things. In 20 years, new things will have been invented. Patents were made for making sure the idea would be produced and sold to the public, not to make one company ask a silly amount of money for it (or worse, just for keeping others from producing such a thing, which seems to be the standard these days). For 99% of the things, having your SW copyrighted will protect your idea long enough to make money of it.

      There are more reasons of course, which i leave to others.

    3. Re:Disagree by Aim+Here · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "what if its a novel idea in software design that you want to patent?"

      Then you should bugger off implement it and sell a product, and stop trying to monopolise thoughts and demand that other people pay you money for work they did.

      The software industry doesn't pay many people to sit around and think up ideas for other people to implement (computer games designers are exceptions, and a special case, really).
      There is a reason for that. Ideas are cheap and easy to come by. Implementing them is a bit more difficult (though fairly cheap and easy nowdays).

      Trouble is, that at the moment, hardware, software, and skilled manpower, and the means of software distribution and production are all quite cheap and available to most people. This is making life difficult for the big players in the software industry, because in order to be an oligopolist, you and a few of your buddies need to have control over a scarce resource. In computing, at the moment, there's very little scarcity. Hence the need to bribe lawmakers for software patents, and to make software ideas scarce, so that the industry can find something to charge us for. Namely the ideas in our own heads.

      Come back and whine about software patents when there really is a global ideas shortage, not before.

    4. Re:Disagree by LainTouko · · Score: 1
      Copyright (copyrestriction) and patents do not "protect" works and ideas. That's just silly, what danger are these works and ideas supposed to be threatened with again? If anything, they should actually be described as harming those ideas, since the purpose of an idea is to be used, and they restrict the freedom for people to do that. An idea which is patented is an idea which is in one sense, crippled. For example, (medical) drugs could help a lot more people if their development was funded by a means other than patents*, because poorer people could use them. You're using language which has been devised to distort by those who have a vested interest in less freedom of idea usage.

      The idea behind patents is to encourage the creation of more works and ideas. However, software patents have the opposite effect. Allowing software patents takes away our freedom for absolutely zero benefit to society. The only people they benefit are the rich and powerful.

      *(In addition, most of the research is actually done by others, and a large part of the "patent income" is used for marketing.)

    5. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps what needs to be done is not to eliminate software patents, but re-define the borders of what is granted a patent and what isn't

      You are right. And, as an admirer of 100%-free-market economies that I am sure you are, you'll find that those borders should be set at 0 years for 99.99% of all cases of computer-related patents.

      Patents are communist!11111!!!1!1! shoot'em

    6. Re:Disagree by J.R.+Random · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One problem is that no one has figured out how to distinguish "worthy" software patents from the vast flood of trivial ones in a way that will work in real life, with government patent examiners who are paid a fraction of what lawyers get in private practice. I can think of a handful of genuinely innovative algorithms that have been patented, such as RSA and the Karmarkar LP algorithm. In all cases they were created by researchers who get paid for publishing their results. In other words, the ideas would have been developed anyway, without any patents, so society has gained nothing by granting them a monopoly on their ideas. Would we really be bereft of innovation in the software industry if there were no patents at all? No rational person can really believe that. So there is really no case for software patents.

    7. Re:Disagree by Wolfbone · · Score: 1
      "No rational person can really believe that."

      Unfortunately rationality is in very short supply when it comes to the patent system - a deliberate policy as far as its administrators and direct beneficiaries are concerned. Conveniently for them this admittedly complex subject is now surrounded by a thick fog of fallacies, distortions and ignorance. I've come to view my own experience of it over the last two or three years as a terrifying insight into what the science research and education system might be like under the supervision of a body such as the Discovery Institute.

      "I can think of a handful of genuinely innovative algorithms that have been patented, such as RSA and the Karmarkar LP algorithm."

      Much to my annoyance many people do indeed think RSA was "worthy" of a patent and I'd say there are actually quite a large number of such "worthy" patents on algorithms (or rather the use of them), if you choose to think of patents that way. I've read more patents - "worthy" and otherwise - than I care to remember now, but of course (and as you quite rightly imply) that is looking at the whole subject from entirely the wrong perspective. Ironically perhaps, it was my sense of outrage at the existence of that RSA patent and others like it that motivated me to learn about the patent system in the first place (I never really cared much about the risible one-click shopping type patents most people seem to agree are despicable). Though the RSA patent had already expired by the time I learned of it I cannot describe how it felt to sit in front of a programmable computer knowing simultaneously the trivial lemma that is RSA and the implications of there being a patent on it. "Intellectual violation" is the only phrase that seems suitable. Learning that such violations have no credible justification from the point of view of the philosophy and economics of the patent system itself has been a very depressing experience

    8. Re:Disagree by Da3vid · · Score: 1

      There isn't a shortage of ideas. I can probably come up with ten ideas in the next sixty seconds. For some reason, the first idea I tried to create involved combining a hot dog, ice cream, and cabbage. Seriously. The real problem is with *good* ideas. I'm thinking of someone, for example, and this may not be a perfect example but still gets the point, like Ralph Baer. I'll admit, I don't know the specifics of Baer's patents, but I believe it has to do with how to manage input/output and the interaction there. That use of software was novel. He essentially invented video games. From our viewpoint now, it seems rudimentary, but this all started in the late 60's. A copyright would protect Pong to a certain degree (protect as in to give credit for, ensure possession over, etc) but the patent covers the very basis for what it is. The idea and method that made that particular piece of software possible.

      -Da3vid-

    9. Re:Disagree by Aim+Here · · Score: 1

      Baer's patent was in the physical processes involved in coming up with the physical object that plays a video game. For that, he needed to buy components, build prototypes, test them, stick them together, see if they worked, and all sorts of things. And he no doubt had to scrap a few prototypes in order to get something that worked properly. Now patents on physical objects are evil too, but the theory is that state-granted monopolies on physical inventions were a *necessary* evil in order that inventors could get enough capital to produce more inventions for the general public. That's the deal. Inventors could claim this limited monopoly right, providing the rest of us got inventions out of it.

      For software people, implementing an idea is MUCH cheaper and easier. The cost of implementing a software idea is the cost of feeding a programmer for however long it takes to type the code in and debug it (many programmers even produce high-quality software without even using their copyrights to make money!). There are far more ideas needed to build a nontrivial work of software, and if each of those ideas needs to be scanned through the patent office, and if rent has to be paid to patent holders for each idea that gets used, then the effect is to turn a creative act that is easy and cheap into one which is complex, difficult and expensive. Software patents *inhibit* the production of software, and the public loses.

      Since Baer, we've had a multi-billion dollar computer games industry springing up, with thousands of titles coming out each year, and without exclusive rights over game ideas. In fact, it's custom and practice in the games industry to pilfer ideas and methods from any other game that happens along (Paradoxically, this is the one industry where people are paid - and paid well, some of them - to come up with ideas for software).There's absolutely no lack of choice for the aspiring game-buyer these days.

      Something similar is true for almost every other type of software you can think of. What exactly is broken with the software industry that we need this atrocious 'fix' that forces productive citizens to become legal experts before they can produce software?

      You're saying that ideas and methods make software possible, so what's wrong with letting everyone have those ideas and methods, and make producing software possible for everyone, not just the select few with the corporate backing and the lawyers? There aren't any 'software methodologists' starving in garrets at the moment, while the world gets rich from their methods, are there? What exactly is the problem you're trying to fix, because your 'fix'? Whatever it is, you can be sure that patents will (and are, in the US) cause far worse problems.

    10. Re:Disagree by Da3vid · · Score: 1

      First off, I'm not necessarily pro-patents here, I'm just trying to explore the ground a bit better. I do think that the patents are granted too easily and that they should be restricted tighter. What restrictions should be placed and how to enforce them... thats another issue. Also, Baer has lots and lots of patents, over 50 US and several hundred worldwide... I'm not exactly a Baer expert, it was just an example.

      Perhaps there should be some middle-line between patents and copyrights so that whatever your idea is (lets say you come up with a software method that sorts your code through the processor in a better organized fashion, letting you run more complicated processes faster on the same machine [lets ignore technical facets of this example]) it can be used by everyone for the good of all, but still provide ample recognition and credit for the person who made it possible. I think they do deserve compensation, though there doesn't seem to be any alternative to financial compensation. However, I do think the power that patents gives is a bit too strong, too long lasting and too over ruling. Maybe there can be a Patent Lite. My intuition tells me that just destroying the patent isn't the best solution.

      -Da3vid-

    11. Re:Disagree by Aim+Here · · Score: 1

      "it can be used by everyone for the good of all, but still provide ample recognition and credit for the person who made it possible"

      If you want credit for coming up with a neat idea, there's plenty of academic journals designed to do exactly that. And merely being the first person to implement something often gets you a lot of kudos too.

      "I think they do deserve compensation, though there doesn't seem to be any alternative to financial compensation."

      Why does this necessarily involve patents? People have always come up with these ideas before and they've either not needed compensation or have found compensation without the use of a new set of state monopolies.

      "My intuition tells me that just destroying the patent isn't the best solution."

      It's not about 'destroying the patent'. Out here in the free world we've never had software patents to destroy, and even in the US, the use of those things is both recent and exceptional- even the massive hoarders like IBM and, these days, Microsoft rarely use them against anyone, and usually claim they're for defensive purposes.

      Software patents are the exception, not the norm, and the software industry has done just fine without them for decades. The burden of proof is really on the proponents of software patents to show why they're a necessary evil, not just an evil evil.

      I suggest you work on your intuition. People's intuitions tend to be broken when it comes to software, particularly on the internet, mainly because the analogy between software and physical real world items like, say, loaves of bread or socket wrenches, is utterly broken. When the marginal cost of distribution and manufacture is more or less zero, all sorts of economic rules don't work the way you're used to. If the real world rules applied, Linux and open source would be economically impossible, and the highly paid music industry would do a better job of bringing me music than a bunch of unpaid 15 year old kids.

  16. Caligula, famous Roman Emperor and troll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ... wanted to make his famous horse Incitatus Consul.

    You, Sir, apparently want to make your pet goat European of the Year...

  17. MOD PARENT INFORMATIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No arbitary choices are being boosted by these recommendations.

  18. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Aim+Here · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Astroturfing is when you *fake* a grassroots campaign, by, say, having your paid employees pretend to be consumers, or having setting up lots of pseudonyms on a web forum in order that one person pretends to be 20 disgruntled/satisfied customers or whatever.

    In this case, we're a bunch of geeks who are being urged to vote for someone who most of us probably happen to agree with.

    Organising a campaign isn't the same as faking a campaign.

  19. Reasons for this kind of idiocy by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The kind of idiocy written by those in favour of software patents has nothing to do with block votes. It has to do with money, lots and lots of money, and the surprising effect this has on "journalists". Calling the FFII "communists" is a strange attack but then you have to realise that the author is Polish, and the Polish MEPs were one of the most single-minded blocks to vote against software patents.

    Software patents are being pushed hard by a rich, powerful, and ammoral machine built from lawyers, lobbyists, and large misguided software firms that have been beguiled by the arms race.

    Voting for Florian will send a strong signal that software patents are not a popular legal innovation but are rightly seen as a threat to the free market and open capitalism.

  20. My mistake, in part by Morosoph · · Score: 1, Informative
    When I went to the site a few weeks ago, I parsed "at random" to mean "arbitarily", so that a given random decision had already been made for everyone.

    Still: some of those which aren't "at random" are still political, and not a lot to do with software, such as a candidate which is not neutral with respect to the events in Israel/Palestine.

    Take care to make your own decision.

    1. Re:My mistake, in part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is exactly the reason i didn't vote at all. It is a pity that while trying to promote a thing i very much agree to (No to software patents), they have to push some political agenda that i (and hopefully many others) very much oppose to

  21. The foundation of democracy? by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    Internet polls?

  22. Throw out the baby with the bathwater? by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The No Software Patents site says that copyright should cover everything that patents cover, and elsewhere that patents are used as guns against small software developers. Um, and copyrights AREN'T used this way? C'mon. If patents disappeared tomorrow, the lawyers would find a way of crushing you with copyrights, and you'd have a No Software Copyrights! movement in a minute.

    The problem is not with the protection of ideas, but with the execution of that protection in the business world. Maybe 20 years is an inappropriate length for a patent in software; maybe two years would be better. Perhaps patent and copyright duration should be scaled based on the industry, or adjusted based on the commercialization/profit of the IP holder. There are other ways of dealing with this besides chucking the whole system.

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    1. Re:Throw out the baby with the bathwater? by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The No Software Patents site says that copyright should cover everything that patents cover, and elsewhere that patents are used as guns against small software developers. Um, and copyrights AREN'T used this way?
      No. Copyright does not hold in case of independent development, while patents do hold. You cannot "amass a portfolio of copyrights" which then allows you to crush competition which wrote all code themselves. Someone else's patents on the other hand still apply even if you developed something entirely on your own.
      C'mon. If patents disappeared tomorrow, the lawyers would find a way of crushing you with copyrights, and you'd have a No Software Copyrights! movement in a minute.
      Software copyright existed before software patents. The companies behind the nosoftwarepatents.com campaign earn their money thanks to the copyright they have on their code. I don't see why they would want to abolish copyright. The people behind the nososftwarepatents.com campaign did not originally wage a "nocopyright" campaign and then just switched to patents because it's more contemporary. Please find another strawman.
      The problem is not with the protection of ideas, but with the execution of that protection in the business world.
      Can you please cite some scientific research which backs up that claim? Here's my collection of research which indicates the contrary.
      Maybe 20 years is an inappropriate length for a patent in software; maybe two years would be better. Perhaps patent and copyright duration should be scaled based on the industry, or adjusted based on the commercialization/profit of the IP holder.
      The patent system inherently has a huge inherent overhead cost: filing applications, performing prior art research to avoid infringement, licensing deals, lawsuits, ... This is not about babies and bath water, but about determining whether it's all worth the trouble. It's not like the software sector needs software patents to function well, and there are an awful lot of indications software patents don't help increasing efficiency.

      Proponents of software patents have been claiming for years the whole system can be fixed by just making a few adjustments, but no one has been able to actually argue in economic terms that this is in fact true. And then there's still these pesky details such as the WTO TRIPs treaty, which requires a minimum duration of 17 years for all patents you grant.

      There are other ways of dealing with this besides chucking the whole system.
      We're not chucking anything, we're preventing the codification of the American system in Europe.
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    2. Re:Throw out the baby with the bathwater? by cheesedog · · Score: 1

      For a nice collection of material against patents and IP-maximalism, Right to Create is good.

  23. The rest of the answers? by drange_net · · Score: 1

    Can anyone give me the rest of the answers?

  24. Protect? by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Patents don't "protect" novel ideas, they *prevent* ideas from being used for the benefit of society. They are evil and harmful, the only saving grace for patents is that secrecy may be even more harmful than a time limited patent.

    To defend software patents, you must find a software patent that has expired, is useful today, and is unlikely to have been invented independently during the patent period.

    1. Re:Protect? by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      To defend software patents, you must find a software patent that has expired, is useful today, and is unlikely to have been invented independently during the patent period.

      Ok, I'll bite ... the compuserv .gif image compression format.

      ...that said, I still think that software patents are a bad thing. While the compuserv gif format would have been unlikely to have been independently invented during the time span it was active, that is simply because you could easily write an image compression format that didn't clash with the compuserv patent (and some people did, most notable is the png format). Unfortunately it takes a long time for browsers to adopt a new format, especially when the leading browser on the market is owned by a convicted monopolist.

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  25. Who the hell are all these people? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    Where is the "info about" link on that voting form?

  26. Florian Mueller is a dubious choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His statements concerning the bnetd case and reverse engineering in general makes me believe that someone like Michel Rocard would be a much better choice.

  27. Vote for Florian by Morosoph · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Voting for Florian will send a strong signal that software patents are not a popular legal innovation but are rightly seen as a threat to the free market and open capitalism.
    I agree that voting for Florian is a good thing. But how the signal will be read depends very much upon the beholder. Some, for example, will see it as a victory for democracy over the doctorine of property right.

    The more sophisticated amoung us see the issue of software patents as one of the artificial creation of monopolies and the unneccessary restriction of freedom, but from the pure propertarian perspective, this can look a lot like the slogan "property is theft". Lawyers know how complex a concept property is, but the average person, and it seems the average politician doesn't know this, and hear opposition as simple "rationalisation".

  28. They should patent their technology by lheal · · Score: 1

    Oh, wait, they did.

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  29. Voting software has problems... by knarf · · Score: 1

    Tried it:

    Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'

    [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Too many connections

    E:\WWWROOT\WWW.EV50.COM\HTML\POLL\../include/dbhea der.asp, line 9

    Oops....

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    1. Re:Voting software has problems... by WarwickRyan · · Score: 1

      [tinfoilhat]It's a conspiracy, they want to deny /. readers their vote![/tinfoilhat]

      In reality, I expect these polls don't attract a huge vote. I'd be surprised if more than 100,000 individuals voted in past years. They've obviously only adopted the infrastructure to support those smaller volumes.

  30. Watch this video, SNCF by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 1

    Slighly off topic, but watch this video from SNCF about Ideas:

    http://www.zippyvideos.com/3940632471977606/ideas/

    "we give it tools to exist somewhere else"

    "rather than on a piece of paper"

    Looks like SNCF taking a side swipe at how stupid patents have become.

  31. Statesman of the year by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

    They suggest voting for Spain's Zapatero. But wasn't Poland who blocked the software patents directive last time? Or was it DMCA-like laws? Heck, it's hard to keep track of all those freedom-butchering attempts. If anybody is better informed than I am, please clarify. Thanks.

    1. Re:Statesman of the year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know but if the DMCA doesn't settle well with you, don't vote for Florian because he's an outspoken proponent of the DMCA. He is against software patents, but he believes that video game makers should be able to control the experience and where and how the game is used, through technical means backed by the force of law.

  32. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Kjella · · Score: 1

    In this case, we're a bunch of geeks who are being urged to vote for someone who most of us probably happen to agree with.

    I've seen enough organized ballot stuffings to recognize one when I see one. For example, if you have a "Most expected game next year" and you see some obscure game at the top, it was astroturfed by that game's forum. Many astroturf campaigns don't go as far as actually faking the stats, they simply market it to the people they want to respond, complete with templates, which wildly skews the results. Then you take a real poll (random selection and all that) and discover that the truth is something completely different.

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  33. Why we recommend the Spanish PM,not the Polish guy by FlorianMueller · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's true that the Polish government was extremely helpful. However, the Polish candidate for Statesman of the Year wasn't helpful at all. He's the president, but all of the help came from the executive government, which is headed by the prime minister (at the time that was Marek Belka), and mostly from deputy minister Wlodzimierz Marcinski. We discussed the voting recommendations with our Polish activists who are quite familiar with how the decisions were taken within the Polish government.

  34. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by bunratty · · Score: 1

    The entire summary is a request for astroturfing, and my comment that this is astroturfing is Offtopic? What on earth are moderators smoking these days?

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  35. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by bunratty · · Score: 1

    Read the Wikipedia defintion of Astroturfing. We're not all happening upon a poll and spontaneously deciding to vote for a specific choice. We're being told where to go to vote and what choice to pick. That is obviously "centrally orchestrating the behavior of many diverse and geographically distributed individuals." It doesn't matter whether people who vote for it happen to agree with it or not, what matters is that the push to get people to go there and make a particular vote is centrally orchestrated.

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  36. It helps if you're interested and European by andersh · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you are European or not - I guess not since you haven't heard of these people. Although I admit one or two were not familiar to me most of them were. I have no professional interest in the EU - in fact I don't even live in the EU. I guess I just read more news than you?

  37. Looks like we might have a good chance by Jack+Taylor · · Score: 1

    A quick google search on "european of the year" has quite a few mentions of Florian Mueller on the first few pages, and *none* of any other candidate. Now that this Slashdot story is going to be added to that list pretty soon, and given that the poll is internet-based, I'm feeling quite confident that he's going to win. I wonder what the odds are now...? (skips off to local betting shop)

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    1. Re:Looks like we might have a good chance by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Your observations are correct. U2 called on its fans to vote for Bono (on the official U2 homepage), and some U2 fan sites made a similar call, but in terms of Internet publicity, we beat the rest of the field by a wide margin. A very solid majority of all participants in that poll has been sent to that poll by our PR and online campaigning activities. Slashdot is of course the biggest of its kind, but the site previously went down due to some of our mailings to registered opponents of software patents as well as articles on heise.de, TheInquirer.net, TheRegister.co.uk etc.

      It's not just about whether we win, it's also how we win. We want to involve large parts of the community in this, and we hope to send a really strong message to Brussels (the de-facto capital of the EU). They should see our numerical strength and campaigning power once again. Unfortunately, the software patent issue hasn't been resolved for good in Europe, and it will resurface on the political agenda sooner or later. By winning this poll, we increase our chances of winning future battles. Publicity is an important way to influence politics.

  38. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Aim+Here · · Score: 1

    Well the name of the game in low-turnout mickey-mouse politics is *always* to be the one gang that gets people fired up enough to vote or turn up or whatever. That's how the game actually works at this level. And it's not really fair to complain that the people who actually bothered to turn up and vote are unbalancing the results because the lazy apathetic shithead vote didn't turn up to balance thm.

    As I say, that's different from real astroturfing, which is based on actual deception.

  39. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hard to say if any one country did anything - since they're not grouped according to national lines in the European Parliament.. It's like Congress - they just have more political parties.

  40. Oh please, no way can you use an excuse like that by Biotech9 · · Score: 1

    As the voting form requires to vote for all categories it is not a good thing to do this if you have no clue who all these people are. Even I, as a overaddict news consuming European, have no clue what to choose for most of the categories because here in Europe news sources are mostly nation minded and therefore very fragmented.

    Oh please, give me a break. There are a huge number of fantastic EU focused news-sites that have excellent coverage on all matters pertaining to the Union. Not to mention the EU's own news pages.

    http://euobserver.com/
    http://www.economist.com/world/europe/
    http://www.european-voice.com/
    http://europa.eu.int/geninfo/whatsnew.htm
    http://europa.eu.int/newsletter/index_en.htm
    http://europa.eu.int/news/index_en.htm
    http://www.eubusiness.com/
    http://www.eubusiness.com/

    And of course most news sites (such as BBC news) have an EU portal. And of course you can use google news with a custom filter for 'European Union' to get your daily fix.

  41. Agreeing with someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you know if we would agree with him, except on the point of software patents?

    Ever read any of his other writings?

    I did, and I don't agree with him. I don't agree that open sourced software isn't used by a bunch of IP-hating communists for one thing.

    See his rants on Linux Weekly News, just search for his name.

  42. Slashdot Speaks and We Obey by samureiser · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's all be good little Asimov robots and obey the leader, er, Slashdot. I, for one, welcome our new moderator overlords...

  43. Thank you for your well-considered support! by FlorianMueller · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's great that you gave this some serious thought, because that's what our core group of anti-swpat activists did as well. Obviously, other candidates also stand for important causes. It's just that their stories are much more attractive to the general press than something as esoteric as software patents, and that's why we need this kind of publicity more than they do.

    As for Hirsi Ali's party, the VVD pushed for software patents like hardly any other political party in Europe. The whole directive project was started by Frits Bolkestein. On 1 July 2004, all of the Dutch parliament except for the VVD group supported a resolution that the Dutch government should retract its support to the EU Council's pro-patent proposal. And Toine Manders was a driving pro-patent force in the ALDE (Alliance of Liberals and Democrats in Europe) group in the Europan Parliament. It was only toward the end of the process that he was burned out and (probably because Philips also wanted this) introduced a motion for rejection of the entire bill. On the day before the vote, I met him in an elevator in the European Parliament and we actually had a friendly discussion because we all wanted to go for rejection of the proposal, but let's face it: He's an intellectual property lawyer by profession, and he didn't call for rejection because he was against software patents. He just realized that his camp couldn't get its way, and then they decided to abort the process, which was perfectly fine with me.

  44. Re:Why we recommend the Spanish PM,not the Polish by rhetoric · · Score: 1
    I don't know but if the DMCA doesn't settle well with you, don't vote for Florian because he's an outspoken proponent of the DMCA. He is against software patents, but he believes that video game makers should be able to control the experience and where and how the game is used, through technical means backed by the force of law.
    An AC posted this just below your reply. I'm sure you're a VERY busy person, but would you mind addressing this issue here?
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  45. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Aim+Here · · Score: 1

    And if you'd bother to read the article you point me at, then you'd see that Wiki's definition of an astroturfing campaign differs from this one in it's most important respect:

    "The campaign typically instructs the supporters on what to say, how to say it, where to send it, and, **above all**, how to make it appear that their indignation, appreciation, joy, or hate is entirely spontaneous and independent "
    (my emphasis)

    If NoSoftwarePatents.com or Slashdot was saying 'vote for this guy but pretend that we didn't tell you to do it' then it'd be astroturfing. As it is, it's merely campaigning.

  46. HOW IS PARENT A TROLL? by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 1

    The parent is calm, non-inflamitory, and actually offers an alternative suggestion. how is parent a troll? Shameful when disagreement with the /. majority is marked as trolling.

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  47. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 1

    You might actually want to read that entry again, as you missed the necessary requirement for astroturfing that the campaign is organized to make it appear spontaneous. Not so in this case: we've got a highly public website attending the readers on this poll, and a pointer to the way to vote. This is simply a public announcement with a voting recommendation based on a specific political issue. Completely clear and legit. You're no claiming that whenever a politician says 'please vote, and do vote for me', he's actually astroturfing, or are you?

  48. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Unnamed+Chickenheart · · Score: 1

    Your karma ^_^

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  49. OMG!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the buttom of the page!!! MICROSOFT IS SUPPORTING IT!!!!!!!!

    Someone have a quick look to see if Bill Gates is one of the options we will make it an expetion and not counting it as RTFA

  50. Enlargement by neko9 · · Score: 1

    one of the choices for European of the Year is

    Olli Rehn, Enlargement

    o_O enlargement of what??

    1. Re:Enlargement by CiaranC · · Score: 1

      Of the EU, obviously.

    2. Re:Enlargement by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Europe's penis, most likely. I didn't realise people who answered that spam were likely to get on the European of the Year ballot.

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  51. Copyright vs. patents, and my position by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm kind of reluctant to reply to "Anonymous" because I don't know why someone would be afraid to voice an opinion like that in the free world. But someone else asked me to do so.

    It's true that I support Blizzard's position on bnetd. That doesn't mean that I'm "an outspoken proponent of the DMCA" (because the bnetd case is one very specific case), nor that I believe "that video game makers should be able to control the experience and where and how the game is used, through technical means backed by the force of law". Those are out-of-context statements and unreasonable interpretations of what I said in the bnetd context.

    It's a matter of fact that I'v ebeen living off intellectual-property rights, mostly copyright (and to some extent trademarks, but never patents), for 20 years. I started at age 15 as an author of articles for computer magazines, and a year later became a computer book author, and I wrote computer programs. I interrupted a game development project to fight against software patents, and after my book on the software patent story is out the door, I'll resume that project.

    The only way to succeed politically against software patents is to have a pro-author's rights position. That's the basis on which I was able to win some politicians over who weren't on our side before (especially on the right wing). An anti-IP fundamentalism is counterproductive. The net effect of taking a radical anti-IP position is that politicians don't even meet with you, parliamentary committees don't invite you to their hearings, and you can rant but you can't influence legislation. Look at the process concerning the Patent Reform Act in the US: Those who take too much of an anti-IP position aren't listened to. Politicians view this as a matter of economic policy for the most part, not a question of idealism.

    As for the bnetd case, I'm absolutely pro-interoperability when it comes to exchanging documents between different computer systems. Where I think one has to be careful about an interoperability privilege is any client-server setting. There are situations in which I believe it's legitimate for an author to reserve certain rights. Also, I can't see that it's reasonable to claim that interoperability is important between the client and the server component of a computer game, especially not when the primary effect of such interference is that a copyright-protection scheme is broken (and thereby a business model that is much more in the interest of consumers than those subscription models where you pay every month, or copy protection by dint of errors on a medium that are checked for). Also, I know that the Blizzard guys are gamers themselves. I worked with them as a consultant and representative from 1995 to 1998. You can find my name in the credits of WarCraft II and StarCraft (provided that you haven't installed Brood War, a project in which I was no longer involved).

    That's my position. If you find someone on the ballot who's not only anti-swpat but also anti-copyright, go and vote for him, but you won't find any because people with that attitude don't make much political headway. Please also read the endorsements that I received from RMS, Tim O'Reilly, Alan Cox, Rasmus Lerdorf and Monty Widenius. RMS and Tim O'Reilly discussed some of those copyright-related issues with me by email, and there are differences between their positions and mine that we're well aware of, but the endorsements relate to the fact that I'm running on a NoSoftwarePatents.com ticket, and that's the message that this is about. It's not about YesToCopyright or whatever else. I'm not going to be elected president and then have power to do lots of things. I was just nominated as a figurehead of the NoSoftwarePatents movement, so I hope I can count on your support.

    1. Re:Copyright vs. patents, and my position by rhetoric · · Score: 1

      Wow. I might not agree with you on every last thing, but then again who does. This is EXACTLY the type of community interaction someone in your position needs to be invloving themselves in to garner more real grassroots support. Thank you for your attention, your reply, and your hard work.

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  52. How about competitive software patents? by Offwhite98 · · Score: 1

    Here's a thought. The thing about patents is the give an organization exlusive rights over an idea for a product which prevents competition. Why not change it so that you can still have the primary patent holder, but also 2 additional qualifier slots to allow for competition. Whoever implements the patent best wins. Perhaps the primary would be given certain rights above the secondaries, but after an initial probationary period the secondaries would be allowed to license rights to other companies to use the patent and truly open it up.

    What I like about patents is that it allows you to make a living on good ideas which should be encouraged. But patents stifle great solutions when certain concepts must be worked around due legal barriers.

    I would also automatically grant secondary status to standards organizations like W3C and those ISO folks because their works benefits us all.

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  53. Re:Why we recommend the Spanish PM,not the Polish by FlorianMueller · · Score: 1

    Thank you. You'll find my reply in that branch of the thread. I was going to ignore the posting of an anonymous person, but since you asked me for my opinion on a non-anonymous basis, I have replied.

  54. Award is co-sponsored by Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a look at the bottom of this page. The award is co-sponsored by MS.

    One wonders whether that's going to have an influence on the outcome... /me dons tinfoil hat.

  55. That would make U2 frontman Bono an astroturfer by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Informative

    U2 advertised this poll on the main page of its website last month, and so did various U2 fan sites. The publisher of the European Voice (the weekly newspaper that stands for the "EV" in "EV50") told me that there have been large-scale campaigns from the very first year of the EV50 awards (2001). It's perfectly legit, and we're going to win this thanks to the overwhelming support we've received from key people, large organzations, and major websites.

  56. Who decides it is "a novel idea"? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1
    This is the whole problem. Novel for one person who was just introduced to a language is ancient news for another. The problem that will be faced is that the people who decide if it is "novel" or not, are NOT people who actually work in the field. These are not people with 10, 15, or 20 years of experience programming. You will be lucky to see someone who has 5 years experience, because lets face it here, no one with a decent amount of experience in software development/engineering (in other words the level of work that will get patents) will work for the saleries that a patent clerk recieves. You are looking at completely different pay scales that are not even in the same zip code, let alone ball-park.

    Lets also not forget that software is a "LANGUAGE" as in, communication. If patents worked the same way with the "English" language as they do for "C, C++, JAVA, C#, Perl, etc., etc.,", then I would take out a patent on the use of an entrance way, be it a door, opening, gate, portal, window, chimney, for allowing a character or person to enter into a space where dialogue, or other plot or storyline event takes place that advances the work as a whole. Because, lets face it here, this is the kind of patents that are being granted in those other "computer" languages...

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    1. Re:Who decides it is "a novel idea"? by Da3vid · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'll be the first (would have been the first...) to admit that there is a problem here in regards to who decides what is what. The problem is that this is a problem all across the world. The fact that responsibility falls on people and people in the business world are prone to succumb to stupidity, bias, irrationality, unintelligence (I know I already said it, but its a big one) and inconsistency.

      I think the first major address to this issue, that I'm aware of, was by John Milton in the Areopagitica where he talks about censorship, and notes that a real problem with censorship is that it is someone who does the censoring, and that is unavoidable. Well, its unavoidable that someone would have to decide boundaries between copyrights and patents, whats a novel patent, what deserves this or that. Thats a world problem. What we can do is set guidelines and policies and alongside some precedents, it will be better than what we started with, albeit not perfect.

      -Da3vid-

  57. Big problem by McLae · · Score: 1

    You make one big assumption here, a real deal-breaker:
    The boundary between Patent and Copyright would have to be determined by the Patent Office. This is a government office, which means that a government employee must make an intelligent decision.

    Need I say more?

    Government workers need simple, clear rules. :)

  58. Here's a link to my comments on that allegation by FlorianMueller · · Score: 1
  59. Old news by zlogic · · Score: 1

    I've received an email from NoSoftwarePatents.com about two weeks ago and voted the same day.

    1. Re:Old news by Cederic · · Score: 1


      That's interesting, cos my email from FFII only arrived at the weekend.

      I voted for Seb Coe not Ellen MacArthur. Admiral though her achievement was it didn't piss off the French quite as much as Seb did..

  60. MOD PARENT UP. He's the subject of this story :) by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

    Informative comments indeed, and thanks also for the explanation on the "Statesman of the Year" issue.

  61. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by idonthack · · Score: 1

    You're right. But there's no "-1 Incorrect" option.
     
    I would offer to mod you "-1 Troll", which is probably closer, but I just posted so I can't spend any mod points here.

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  62. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely you losers can understand that there are things way more important than SOFTWARE PATENTS?! Give me a break.

  63. Short blurbs about the nominees by henni16 · · Score: 1

    If you check out the link marked "Nominees", you will get
    - probably an ODBC error ;-) or
    - this page, where you can select each category and read some short blurbs about every nominee.

    I read that (remembered some of them in a "oh that was the name of the one who did foo" kinda way) and used that instead of the suggestions.
    The only category left where I didn't care about a candidate was "business leader".

    Oh, and don't vote for McCreevy as he is a bought hardcore supporter of SW patents.

    And lets hope that more patent opposers than Harry Potter fans know about this vote .. ;-)

  64. And oh what irony it is... by rk · · Score: 1

    "but from the pure propertarian perspective, this can look a lot like the slogan "property is theft".

    That someone who would believe in perfect property rights would think that they have, through force of law, the right to tell others what they can do with their private physical property because they were the first ones to take an idea and run off with it to the government.

    There's a great argument to made from a strong property rights perspective patents and copyrights are indefensible. I'm not sure where I stand regarding that argument, but at least once I've suggested in argument that patent and copyright law is a violation of personal property rights and then been accused of being a communist.

  65. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably because you don't know what astroturfing actually is.

  66. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

    I agree, "Offtopic" is inappropriate. I use "Overrated" as a catch-all for factually incorrect posts.

  67. Cowboy neil by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    I'm having a hard time picking anyone in some of the categories, but because I can't vote in one category without having to vote in all categories I'm going to have to do the 'vote for the least worst candidate' thing. Why couldn't they have put a cowboy neil option.

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  68. Hypocrites by ifwm · · Score: 1

    Watch as the hordes of American slashbots, who continually complain about Americans interfering in European politics, now rush to interfere with European politics.

  69. Real Men of Genius by fizteh89 · · Score: 0

    Bud Light Presents: Real Men of Genius

    [Real men of genius]

    Today we salute you, Mr. Anti-Software Patent Guy.

    [Mr. Anti-Software Patent Guy!]

    Some people only complain about patent quality, but you know enough to step it up to the next level: advocating the total abolition of all software patents. Patents? You don't need no stinkin' patents.

    [Copyright is all you need!]

    There's a specification - maybe even some drawings - and a bunch of claims somewhere in the back, but only you know that the only way to determine the scope of a patent is by reading the title.

    [They're trying to patent the Internet!]

    It could be Microsoft. Or Google. Or Amazon.com. Or some holding company you've never heard of. But whoever it is, their patents cover algorithms you thought of 10 years ago. And besides, the ideas are pretty stupid anyways.

    [Don't forget the one-click-patent!]

    While others rest, you can't . . . because somewhere a patent is being filed on code you are writing this very moment - and that patent's going to make someone a lot of money.

    [It's all a scam anyways!]

    So crack open an ice-cold Bud Light, Mr. Anti-Software Patent Guy, because if you filed a patent application for being smarter than the rest of us, you'd get a first-action allowance.

    [Mr. Anti-Software Paaaaatent Guy!]

    (http://271patent.blogspot.com/)

  70. Florian is a glory hog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Look, I am 100% against software patents, but I really have a personal problem with Florian. Yes, he did do good things. However, in the middle of the fight, when it looked like he was going to lose he jumped ship and returned to game developement. And I quote from http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651, 39193150,00.htm

    "For almost a year, I have been spending virtually all of my working time on
    the political fight against software patents," said Mueller. "[But] the time
    has come for me to step down from my responsibility as a full-time campaign
    manager, and to resume a game development project in which I had previously
    invested almost two years of work."

    "Obviously, most people will in the greater scheme of things consider the
    software patent issue more important than a game. However, that game is my
    project, so I had to make a personal choice."

    Suddenly, when it was clear we would win he suddenly appeared out of nowhere was the leader of this movement. This just strikes me as opportunistic and looking to profit (book deals, interviews) and stroke his ego.

  71. Where is Cowboy Neal?!?!??! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they missed one person in this vote ;-)

  72. And it is somehow unbelievable that he could be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if you are right, he meets the definition. So what?

  73. Here's why I stepped down and why I came back by FlorianMueller · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's quite simple: I would have stayed in the fight on a continuous basis if I had seen enough of a support from medium-sized companies to this cause. I had communicated some requirements, and those were primarily about a war chest that I considered necessary in order to influence the political process. Except for MySQL, I didn't get much support for that more ambitious plan, and then I decided that if others thought their time and money was better spent on something else, I'd do it the same way.

    Claiming that I returned when we were on the winning track is the opposite of what happened. On June 20, the Legal Affairs Committee of the European Parliament voted on the software patent directive, and many essential amendments to the proposed bill (in order to exclude software from the scope of patentable subject matter) fell through. When the members of the committee voted at the end whether the parliament should accept or reject the bill (accepting meaning that it would still have gone back to the EU Council and possibly to conciliation), 16 voted for and only 10 against the proposal.

    In that precarious situation, a group of companies actually did provide the kind of support that I became involved again for the last two weeks before the plenary vote. Like in almost all parliaments, it's the plenary that takes the actual decision, and the committee sort of prepares the plenary vote (in some parliaments, if the committee decides in a certain way, it's practically a done deal because people in the plenary just take the official party position, but in the European Parliament, the plenary may still decide differently).

    I didn't position myself as the leader of our movement in the European Parliament at that stage. I took some initiatives and met various politicians and aides, and the FFII was really in charge.

    Someone is not a "glory hog" because several independent juries nominate him for certain awards and honors. There's some information on those awards and honors toward the bottom of my backgrounder page on the NoSoftwarePatents.com site, and especially about how I personally view those nominations. I also explained that at great length in an email that the FFII sent out to all of its registered supporters.

  74. What, and skip over Monica Bellucci? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1


    Not a chance.

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  75. I feel dirty by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    I'm a US american voting for european of the year only because a slashdot article told me to, and I hate/fear software patents.

  76. Ariel Sharon by ekkis · · Score: 1

    nominated for Europen of the Year?? since when are Israelis European?

  77. Supreme Court may invalidate software patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a long shot, but the Supreme Court just accepted an appeal that could invalidate most U.S. software patents in a single stroke. This would happen if Justice Stevens, the only justice on the current Court to have heard a patent "subject matter" case, follows his previous opinion in Parker v. Flook (way back in 1978!)and convinces the other "patent virgin" justices on the court to follow his opinion.

    More information at http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/10/supreme-c ourt-takes-patentable-subject.html

  78. Screw NoSoftware Patents Vote for JK Rowling by cualexander · · Score: 1

    Why not just vote for JK Rowling as European of the Year? After all whats more important than creating a hugely successful children's franchise? Its the only good thing to come out of Europe in ages.

  79. Software Communism by Da3vid · · Score: 1

    Thats what it amounts to. I'm theorizing it would only work in theory.

  80. How can we trust this Operating System? by Falcon040 · · Score: 1

    Has this Operating System been openly and publicly vetted or peer reviewed?

    How can we trust this operating system?

  81. I'd vote, but... by SimonShine · · Score: 1

    I'd vote, but the names mean absolutely nothing to me! I consider myself politically involved, but to be able to keep up with what the hell's even going on in the European Union is a greater task than just reading the news papers, apparently. I recognized one name, which was of the former Danish prime minister. The rest is kind of a blur. It saddens me that these people are apparently affecting the lives of people like you and me when in fact I've never heard of them before. Some representatives, huh.

    Down with the EU. We don't understand it because it's too big to be understood.

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  82. Re:Slashdot condones astroturfing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a lazy apathetic shithead if you didn't vote in an internet poll for European of the Year? You need to get out more.

  83. "Please Vote" is implicit by Morosoph · · Score: 1
    I'd hardly be telling people to read the reasons for their nominations, if it weren't to help make a proper voting decision.

    If I didn't want people to vote, I'd say "don't bother", rather than "please inform yourself".

  84. What did you expect? by game+kid · · Score: 1
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