The Supreme Court, despite Bush's attempt to pack it with conservative assholes, would just about have to slap this down as an infringement on the First Amendment.
Although you never know, since the Court let Bush get elected in the first place.
Besides, all it would do is move the porn offshore and make for a windfall profit for offshore site hosting companies and site operators.
Then what is this asshole Senator going to do - call for a bill to tax anyone CONSUMING porn?
This is just some Democrat trying to reach out to the Republican-controlled Christian idiots to bolster his re-election chances - or get a campaign contribution from the porn industry - or both.
Yeah, but the goons who PLAY basketball know which end of the bat to stick up a suspect's ass or bash his head in with when they become cops in later life.
"Defensive patents", my ass. Oh, yeah, they're "defensive" all right - they're a last ditch defense against getting their asses kicked in the open market - which they know is going to happen sooner or later by somebody whether it's Linux or someone else.
As for never having sued anybody, why would they? So far they've used restrictive but legal contracts and large customer browbeating and buying the Bush administration to retain their monopoly on the desktop OS market.
Only now are they under threat from open source which is not easily sued. Microsoft has a large cash warchest which they can easily use to sue individuals or small groups who develop open source software that threatens their monopoly. So far it has not been advisable to make such suits because it would not look good for a $40 billion a year company to sue a bunch of guys in their bedrooms if in fact Windows is SO MUCH BETTER than open source. But they are building up a patent arsenal to do just that when it becomes necessary.
Read my lips, morons: Bill Gates is a FUCKING ASSHOLE as every bio of him and the antitrust trial has established and he never does anything for "defensive" purposes.
Not that it matters. Let him tell the Chinese, the Indians, the Russian Mafiya not to compete because of patents. It'll generate a good laugh all around. Meanwhile everybody else will just develop computer science to leapfrog his "patents" and do it offshore beyond the reach of his lawyers and the bought-and-paid-for US "Justice" Department and Congress.
You morons think LAW is going to stop TECHNOLOGY.
Pardon me while I chortle.
But Gates will try. Let there be no doubt about it.
At this time, Cisco should be pressured by the government in the name of national security to OPEN SOURCE IOS COMPLETELY.
They obviously cannot be trusted to eyeball their systems enough to detect serious flaws, and NOW they cannot be trusted to REPORT those flaws to people who have not installed their fixes.
Therefore, IOS should be taken AWAY from Cisco and made open source.
It's ridiculous that Cisco has been charging the earth for 486 boxes with some custom chips running a lobotomized version of UNIX and then they get to call on the FBI as their enforcement arm when someone finds a flaw in their crap.
If Cisco doesn't get its act together, the Chinese will start selling high-powered Linux boxes which have routing built in to the OS and with custom chips to do everything a Cisco router does. They won't care that EIGRP is proprietary, either.
You obviously have not followed the story, because he did NO SUCH THING.
There was a long period where he, his company and Cisco worked on this together.
Where he parted company with his company and Cisco was when the Black Hat talk that they were to do JOINTLY was back-pedaled because Cisco lawyers and PR people decided to hush up the nature and severity of the flaw, resorting to tearing up the presentation documents and destroying the presentation CDs and threatening to both fire and sue him if he went ahead with the talk.
So he, believing (correctly or not, I don't know the details of the flaw yet) the flaw was serious enough that thousands of unpatched routers were at risk, decided to shit-can his job and tell the story himself rather than be censored by an NDA signed by his company with Cisco.
Bruce Schneier's take on this is similar - this guy was mostly in the right and DID follow responsible disclosure procedures up until the point Cisco decided to "act like thugs."
And your suggestion about only getting truly Windows supported hardware is a good one.
Of course, I have to remember that statement some Microsoft exec made in a memo that came up during the antitrust trial - something about if they didn't have their development APIs to impress their customers with, their buggy drivers would have put them out of business by now, or something like that. Didn't make me confident about Microsoft drivers, hearing that.
Well, I'm still wondering when others treating me with a little appreciation will make my life less unhappy.
I've got fifty years of people treating me like shit to overcome.
I didn't start out this way, you know. And I know everybody else didn't either.
And actually, compared to a lot of people around me, I treat people with more respect and appreciation than most. Just not on/....:-)
It's when someone wants to make "National Sys Admin Day" for what is essentially pointless chest-beating that I get bored. I can go for "National Secretaries Day" since they really do have a lousy job that doesn't pay $75,000/year. Sys admins? Get serious. It's a job for which they are well paid - and they even have magazines for their little niche. What do they need an "Appreciation Day" for?
A box that did nothing but pass packets back and forth - AND you DID have a firewall AND you didn't use IE as a browser - isn't impressive. I wouldn't expect it be infected two years ago as quickly as an XP box today, nor would I necessarily expect it to pick up every worm or remote exploit given you had Tiny Personal Firewall (I use Kerio, the derivative, myself and I don't even use the latest version - I use 2.1.5 instead of 4.)
It also depends on what you call "cruft" in terms of software installation. I run various utilities - renamers, media players like Winamp with a variety of codecs, a few other things. I don't download and run every piece of crap somebody offers me free, that's for sure. I have a TON of software on the hard disk that I COULD install if and when I get around to it. And I DO expect that some of those programs will strain the system - especially if I were to install a bunch of them at the same time. The only P2P I run occasionally and only occasionally is a Bittorrent client. So my system is stable in the sense that it isn't crashing and it isn't TOO weird.
But it still behaves like a POS sometimes when an app like Winamp hoses itself.
I've never said Windows hasn't improved - I've said it's still a POS for various reasons involving security and reliability and even end user usability. Compared to Windows 98, 2000 and XP are MUCH better.
They just aren't good enough, as you correctly assess my position.
Linux isn't all THAT wonderful, either. As I've said many times here:
Windows is CRAP. Linux is ALSO CRAP. BUT Linux is FREE CRAP.
Yeah, right - and when the end user ends up with viruses, spyware, and loss of control of his own machine to Microsoft's DRM, I'm sure the end user will appreciate Microsoft's efforts.
By throwing out their machine and buying a new one, which reportedly is the latest method of dealing with Windows' problems.
I'm not saying the administrator shouldn't have "full control" - I'm differing in what "full control" MEANS. It should NOT mean being able to do something that causes the system to go into a knot.
For example, if the administrator hoses a config file, the system should be able to tell that and report something rational rather than crashing.
The simple fact is that administrators screw up all the time, just like end users. Their actions should not result in a CRASH - it should result in the system refusing to do something which it can't understand.
What possible point can there be in allowing root to crash the system? If you can't shut it down any other way than crashing it, by definition the system is flawed and needs to be redesigned.
IP makes it possible, unlike REAL property. IP is merely an attempt to extend contract behavior and law over basic property principles and law and do it using government coercion instead of contracts or the market.
IP is an oxymoron and ultimately unworkable.
Dump all IP laws and the economy will adjust to the new situation within a few years (although undoubtedly the lawyers will make a killing on ridiculous nuisance lawsuits for a while). There will NO impact on the rate of new inventions or anything else, supposedly the justification for this nonsense. And a lot of wasted money (both in legal fights and pointless "inventions" that can't survive in the marketplace) will get re-invested, hopefully in something more useful.
Studies have show that the cost of government regulation far exceeds the benefits - to the point where, if regulations didn't exist, everything in the US would cost ten percent of what the item costs with it. Undoubtedly, an economic study of the costs of IP laws will show they far outweigh the supposed benefits, or at the very least, skew those benefits to the few instead of the many.
A millisecond is a very long time compared to a nanosecond, which is where CPUs are running.
Also, I doubt that a drop in hardware performance of ten percent would really be noticeable to the end user.
As for network performance, if it's a SERVER that needs that level of performance, that might be a good thing to do. But for end user PCs, I think it would not be much of an impact to make the drivers more under the control of the OS.
Also, I don't see where adding tons of "features" to the kernel helps that situation any. If latency is that big a problem, then we need multiple CPUs handling the IO, like the mainframes do. If it adds ten or twenty percent to the price of the system, that's fine, since the next chip speedup will remove the price difference anyway.
Also, if they can get Linux to run in Ring Zero with Windows (which co-linux can do), I don't see why they can't handle drivers in a manner which is both fast and reliable.
Finally, I'm not suggesting that when the driver is running it needs to be polled every millisecond to see what it's doing. I'm suggesting that the CPU should be able to regain control of the system within something less than a freakin' MINUTE OR MORE if the driver or hardware hoses up. The retry counts an OS uses are ridiculous. If the damn thing isn't working in five tries, give it up.
The simple fact is, drivers aren't reliable and the whole concept needs to be re-engineered somehow to fix the problem. It's simply not acceptable for a third party piece of software written by some unknown moron can drag down the whole system. I think not going kaput is more important to a server than even the throughput. You can tweak the latter.
"Let's try actually testing out things like that before just repeating some bullshit uncle jed thought MIGHT occur when M$ showed interest in buying claria."
You must have missed the story. Somebody DID test it - that's how it was discovered.
"I'm sitting at a 25day uptime and the last reboot was for a 3rd party app, and I've had this install for 2.5 years now... including 4 hardware changes."
Yeah, and you've never had a virus or spyware infection despite being on the Internet 24-7 with no firewall and no AV, yada, yada.
Sure, Windows troll - I've heard that one before.
Windows - 2000 AND XP - DOES crash - plenty of people have said so, and I've SEEN it. And it had nothing to do with bad hardware.
I call bullshit. And Windows Shill Serial Number 189999 - you must now use that number next to your/. ID on all posts, or Taco will suspend you for two weeks.
In the end, somebody needs to do a nationwide survey of uptimes for Windows servers and UNIX/Linux servers - preferably other than Web servers. Anecdotal evidence is obviously insufficient.
As I've said before, a smart Windows server admin who has five or ten years experience watching Windows servers crash eventually figures out how to avoid that - and HE gets huge uptimes. But most Windows admins aren't that good.
We have to factor out the sys admin somehow and just look at the server data in the aggregate. Even if you believe UNIX/Linux sys admins are as a whole are smarter than MCSE's, this would still reduce that as an influencing factor somewhat.
No way Windows is going to win that one, however. No way.
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She's already told Jimmie Fallon that:
Fallon: "I'm a celebrity, I might have to come in through the back door."
Paris: "I don't care who you are, it's not happening."
The Supreme Court, despite Bush's attempt to pack it with conservative assholes, would just about have to slap this down as an infringement on the First Amendment.
Although you never know, since the Court let Bush get elected in the first place.
Besides, all it would do is move the porn offshore and make for a windfall profit for offshore site hosting companies and site operators.
Then what is this asshole Senator going to do - call for a bill to tax anyone CONSUMING porn?
This is just some Democrat trying to reach out to the Republican-controlled Christian idiots to bolster his re-election chances - or get a campaign contribution from the porn industry - or both.
I think he meant on
Yeah, but the goons who PLAY basketball know which end of the bat to stick up a suspect's ass or bash his head in with when they become cops in later life.
This is truly a stupid post. "Informative?"
"Defensive patents", my ass. Oh, yeah, they're "defensive" all right - they're a last ditch defense against getting their asses kicked in the open market - which they know is going to happen sooner or later by somebody whether it's Linux or someone else.
As for never having sued anybody, why would they? So far they've used restrictive but legal contracts and large customer browbeating and buying the Bush administration to retain their monopoly on the desktop OS market.
Only now are they under threat from open source which is not easily sued. Microsoft has a large cash warchest which they can easily use to sue individuals or small groups who develop open source software that threatens their monopoly. So far it has not been advisable to make such suits because it would not look good for a $40 billion a year company to sue a bunch of guys in their bedrooms if in fact Windows is SO MUCH BETTER than open source. But they are building up a patent arsenal to do just that when it becomes necessary.
Read my lips, morons: Bill Gates is a FUCKING ASSHOLE as every bio of him and the antitrust trial has established and he never does anything for "defensive" purposes.
Not that it matters. Let him tell the Chinese, the Indians, the Russian Mafiya not to compete because of patents. It'll generate a good laugh all around. Meanwhile everybody else will just develop computer science to leapfrog his "patents" and do it offshore beyond the reach of his lawyers and the bought-and-paid-for US "Justice" Department and Congress.
You morons think LAW is going to stop TECHNOLOGY.
Pardon me while I chortle.
But Gates will try. Let there be no doubt about it.
No.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
EXACTLY!
At this time, Cisco should be pressured by the government in the name of national security to OPEN SOURCE IOS COMPLETELY.
They obviously cannot be trusted to eyeball their systems enough to detect serious flaws, and NOW they cannot be trusted to REPORT those flaws to people who have not installed their fixes.
Therefore, IOS should be taken AWAY from Cisco and made open source.
It's ridiculous that Cisco has been charging the earth for 486 boxes with some custom chips running a lobotomized version of UNIX and then they get to call on the FBI as their enforcement arm when someone finds a flaw in their crap.
If Cisco doesn't get its act together, the Chinese will start selling high-powered Linux boxes which have routing built in to the OS and with custom chips to do everything a Cisco router does. They won't care that EIGRP is proprietary, either.
You obviously have not followed the story, because he did NO SUCH THING.
There was a long period where he, his company and Cisco worked on this together.
Where he parted company with his company and Cisco was when the Black Hat talk that they were to do JOINTLY was back-pedaled because Cisco lawyers and PR people decided to hush up the nature and severity of the flaw, resorting to tearing up the presentation documents and destroying the presentation CDs and threatening to both fire and sue him if he went ahead with the talk.
So he, believing (correctly or not, I don't know the details of the flaw yet) the flaw was serious enough that thousands of unpatched routers were at risk, decided to shit-can his job and tell the story himself rather than be censored by an NDA signed by his company with Cisco.
Bruce Schneier's take on this is similar - this guy was mostly in the right and DID follow responsible disclosure procedures up until the point Cisco decided to "act like thugs."
Thanks for the Belkin warning.
And your suggestion about only getting truly Windows supported hardware is a good one.
Of course, I have to remember that statement some Microsoft exec made in a memo that came up during the antitrust trial - something about if they didn't have their development APIs to impress their customers with, their buggy drivers would have put them out of business by now, or something like that. Didn't make me confident about Microsoft drivers, hearing that.
And it's not nearly as good as all the Microsoft propaganda and Windows shills would have people believe with their brainless rants.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.
But THIS guy's comment in the article was pure shill.
Well, I'm still wondering when others treating me with a little appreciation will make my life less unhappy.
I've got fifty years of people treating me like shit to overcome.
I didn't start out this way, you know. And I know everybody else didn't either.
And actually, compared to a lot of people around me, I treat people with more respect and appreciation than most. Just not on
It's when someone wants to make "National Sys Admin Day" for what is essentially pointless chest-beating that I get bored. I can go for "National Secretaries Day" since they really do have a lousy job that doesn't pay $75,000/year. Sys admins? Get serious. It's a job for which they are well paid - and they even have magazines for their little niche. What do they need an "Appreciation Day" for?
A box that did nothing but pass packets back and forth - AND you DID have a firewall AND you didn't use IE as a browser - isn't impressive. I wouldn't expect it be infected two years ago as quickly as an XP box today, nor would I necessarily expect it to pick up every worm or remote exploit given you had Tiny Personal Firewall (I use Kerio, the derivative, myself and I don't even use the latest version - I use 2.1.5 instead of 4.)
It also depends on what you call "cruft" in terms of software installation. I run various utilities - renamers, media players like Winamp with a variety of codecs, a few other things. I don't download and run every piece of crap somebody offers me free, that's for sure. I have a TON of software on the hard disk that I COULD install if and when I get around to it. And I DO expect that some of those programs will strain the system - especially if I were to install a bunch of them at the same time. The only P2P I run occasionally and only occasionally is a Bittorrent client. So my system is stable in the sense that it isn't crashing and it isn't TOO weird.
But it still behaves like a POS sometimes when an app like Winamp hoses itself.
I've never said Windows hasn't improved - I've said it's still a POS for various reasons involving security and reliability and even end user usability. Compared to Windows 98, 2000 and XP are MUCH better.
They just aren't good enough, as you correctly assess my position.
Linux isn't all THAT wonderful, either. As I've said many times here:
Windows is CRAP.
Linux is ALSO CRAP.
BUT Linux is FREE CRAP.
Thanks, another one I'll remember.
Yeah, right - and when the end user ends up with viruses, spyware, and loss of control of his own machine to Microsoft's DRM, I'm sure the end user will appreciate Microsoft's efforts.
By throwing out their machine and buying a new one, which reportedly is the latest method of dealing with Windows' problems.
Oh, hell, no!
Bosses should be shot with extreme prejudice, no waiting.
Fuck 'em.
It's a job. Do it or get the fuck out.
And if you're not being paid what you're worth (or you THINK you're worth), find another job.
And if you're NOT worth what you're being paid, get the fuck out.
Nope - bad design.
I'm not saying the administrator shouldn't have "full control" - I'm differing in what "full control" MEANS. It should NOT mean being able to do something that causes the system to go into a knot.
For example, if the administrator hoses a config file, the system should be able to tell that and report something rational rather than crashing.
The simple fact is that administrators screw up all the time, just like end users. Their actions should not result in a CRASH - it should result in the system refusing to do something which it can't understand.
What possible point can there be in allowing root to crash the system? If you can't shut it down any other way than crashing it, by definition the system is flawed and needs to be redesigned.
Get rid of "sys admin ego" and look at the point.
"they are using their classic method of producing superior software by catering to the needs of the user."
When I read that, I didn't even bother to read the review.
Nothing but marketing fluff written by a paid Microsoft shill.
What's next? Rob Enderle saying IE7 will destroy Linux and all OSS? Laura DiDio saying it proves open source can't compete?
Take this marketing shill shit down the road.
By definition, everybody wants to own everything.
IP makes it possible, unlike REAL property. IP is merely an attempt to extend contract behavior and law over basic property principles and law and do it using government coercion instead of contracts or the market.
IP is an oxymoron and ultimately unworkable.
Dump all IP laws and the economy will adjust to the new situation within a few years (although undoubtedly the lawyers will make a killing on ridiculous nuisance lawsuits for a while). There will NO impact on the rate of new inventions or anything else, supposedly the justification for this nonsense. And a lot of wasted money (both in legal fights and pointless "inventions" that can't survive in the marketplace) will get re-invested, hopefully in something more useful.
Studies have show that the cost of government regulation far exceeds the benefits - to the point where, if regulations didn't exist, everything in the US would cost ten percent of what the item costs with it. Undoubtedly, an economic study of the costs of IP laws will show they far outweigh the supposed benefits, or at the very least, skew those benefits to the few instead of the many.
A millisecond is a very long time compared to a nanosecond, which is where CPUs are running.
Also, I doubt that a drop in hardware performance of ten percent would really be noticeable to the end user.
As for network performance, if it's a SERVER that needs that level of performance, that might be a good thing to do. But for end user PCs, I think it would not be much of an impact to make the drivers more under the control of the OS.
Also, I don't see where adding tons of "features" to the kernel helps that situation any. If latency is that big a problem, then we need multiple CPUs handling the IO, like the mainframes do. If it adds ten or twenty percent to the price of the system, that's fine, since the next chip speedup will remove the price difference anyway.
Also, if they can get Linux to run in Ring Zero with Windows (which co-linux can do), I don't see why they can't handle drivers in a manner which is both fast and reliable.
Finally, I'm not suggesting that when the driver is running it needs to be polled every millisecond to see what it's doing. I'm suggesting that the CPU should be able to regain control of the system within something less than a freakin' MINUTE OR MORE if the driver or hardware hoses up. The retry counts an OS uses are ridiculous. If the damn thing isn't working in five tries, give it up.
The simple fact is, drivers aren't reliable and the whole concept needs to be re-engineered somehow to fix the problem. It's simply not acceptable for a third party piece of software written by some unknown moron can drag down the whole system. I think not going kaput is more important to a server than even the throughput. You can tweak the latter.
Nice idea - I'll remember that. More work, though, than just running a piece of software, no matter how obscure.
Yeah, but that's Cygwin. Not very efficient to install Cygwin on a client's machine just to kill a process.
Nice to know, though.
"Let's try actually testing out things like that before just repeating some bullshit uncle jed thought MIGHT occur when M$ showed interest in buying claria."
/. ID on all posts, or Taco will suspend you for two weeks.
You must have missed the story. Somebody DID test it - that's how it was discovered.
"I'm sitting at a 25day uptime and the last reboot was for a 3rd party app, and I've had this install for 2.5 years now... including 4 hardware changes."
Yeah, and you've never had a virus or spyware infection despite being on the Internet 24-7 with no firewall and no AV, yada, yada.
Sure, Windows troll - I've heard that one before.
Windows - 2000 AND XP - DOES crash - plenty of people have said so, and I've SEEN it. And it had nothing to do with bad hardware.
I call bullshit. And Windows Shill Serial Number 189999 - you must now use that number next to your
I know that, I was making a "pointed comment" in response.
Not against
In the end, somebody needs to do a nationwide survey of uptimes for Windows servers and UNIX/Linux servers - preferably other than Web servers. Anecdotal evidence is obviously insufficient.
As I've said before, a smart Windows server admin who has five or ten years experience watching Windows servers crash eventually figures out how to avoid that - and HE gets huge uptimes. But most Windows admins aren't that good.
We have to factor out the sys admin somehow and just look at the server data in the aggregate. Even if you believe UNIX/Linux sys admins are as a whole are smarter than MCSE's, this would still reduce that as an influencing factor somewhat.
No way Windows is going to win that one, however. No way.